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boss you can't abrogate and reprobate at the same time. you said victor moses is not worthy of being called a legend because he didn't win apoty but when i highlighted some great nigerian players who didn't win you then said apoty is not the only determining factor so boss which is which

Icon4s:
Oga, it is not just all about winning the APOTY, after-all, Finidi, Okocha, and Keshi, never won the award yet they are classified as Legends.

Citing Kanu winning the APOTY award while Moses never won it is just highlighting one area Kanu trumps Moses.

and i know you are smarter than this if you claim kanu was invited to play testimonial because he's a legend you should have no trouble listing his legendary feats at arsenal

Mickael2:
I am going to assume that you are just trying to be ridiculous for a funny reason because I assume you are quite intelligent and would have no problem understanding people.

I said KANU represented Arsenal's legends against Madrid legends, this is not a testimonial match where you invite players who are available, this is a legends match. Browse about the game then check the caliber of players that were invited to play then picture where KANU belongs in that hierarchy

lol you are comparing an EPL and FA winner (who played a prominent part) to someone who played for relegation strugglers all his epl career?. yes vicmo scored for chelsea in the champions league against shaktar donetsk look it.

under the osaze era we grew comfortable calling our national team chickens. with moses respect and fear of the super eagles was restored. in 12 years the mighty osaze scored 10 goals in 63 appearances victor moses for half the period 12 in 37 appearances. osaze played well got a silver in olympics i guess sadiq is also better than moses for scoring 4 goals at the rio olympics. vicmo moses kills osaze on every comparison stat so like i said before you don't have to like the man but c'mon show him some respect

Mickael2:
Let us break it down.

VicMo 37 appearances . I am not sure there can be a legend who didn't even get up to 50 shirts but let's leave that one aside
Bar last season Moses has been a regular bench warmer in clubs like Stoke City and West Ham. Let's city check out Osaze. West Brom's best player/Highest goal scorer for two straight seasons. Three times winner of EPL player of the month. He was a starter at Lille+top French club), starter at Stoke, starter at Lokomotiv Moscow and virtually everywhere else he has played. Does VicMo have a champions league goal to his name? I would even argue that Osaze is a West Brom legend because he is either their first or second all time highest goalscorer in a single EPL season ( I do not know if anybody has broken the record). Do you think scoring 15 goals in a single EPL season is easy? Morata hasn't managed that for a far superior team and if VicMo tells his coach that he had a dream were he scored 15 league goals in a season his coach would probably tell him to go and get some malaria drugs. On a club level, Osaze trumps Moses in and out no doubt about that at all.

National team level, Osaze was instrumental in getting us to the Round of 16 in 2014, for all the rubbish we spewed here this current crop didn't make it out of their group and Moses scored a penalty. In 2010 Osaze was instrumental in the goal we scored against Greece too. In that 2014 world cup, Osaze put in one of the most defensively assured performance a winger could put in, thanks to his training under Mark Hughes at Stoke. In fact against France Osaze should have gotten us a penalty if not for bias. Let me just act as if VicMo didn't play at the 2014 WC to avoid embarrassment. In the 2018 WC bar the match against Argentina(a penalty by the way) and that assist against Iceland what else did he do? Nothing. At the end of the day that goal against Argentina didn't get us the point we needed to qualify so Osaze still edges him.

Maybe at the AFCON we would have a case for Moses still Osaze has more AFCON goals than he does.

On a side note as well Osaze's impact as we took silver at the 2008 Olympics cannot be overemphasized at all. so I do not understand how you think Moses is or has ever been a better player than Osaze

yes true but you brought the apoty award into the equation. even at that odegbami never won, christian chukwu never won but would you say kanu was more ''legendary'' than them

Icon4s:
Those are Legends in their respective countries.

We are talking Nigeria here.

oh so playing testimonials is now a proof of legendary status wow i guess ambrose efe who played during yobo's testimonial is now a legend abi? babatunde fashola sef that played during kanu's testimonial is a football legend na!

why is it so hard to list kanu's individual contributions to arsenal

Mickael2:
there is no need for any long talk. KANU represented Arsenal legends in their match against Real Madrid legends. If Arsenal declares KANU a legend then what are you still here saying?

your eye saw okocha but jumped passed aboutrika and mcCarthy abi.

iniesta scored in a world cup final winning spain's first and so far only world cup title please what has diouf achieved for senegal compared to jj for nigeria?

andrew444:
Listen to your self comparing diouf and okocha

Are they playing the same position?

Its just like you are comparing Luis suarez to Iniesta

oga please list Kanu's individual contributions to Arsenal football club

Mickael2:
KANU is not an Arsenal legend?
oga KANU Arsenal Legend- Check
KANU Portsmouth legend- double check

onazi did well yes but it was moses who baled us out against ethiopia had we drawn that game we would never have known how good ogenyi was

Mickael2:
I would put Onazi immediately after Emenike or MBA, way before Moses. I mean the team was there floundering until Onazi came in and steadied the ship after Ogude's ban, the fact that nobody is mentioning his name is quite shocking

el hadji diof won 2 apoty back to back was he better than okocha, benni mcCharty, aboutrika who never won one?

Icon4s:
Wake me up when Victor Moses wins APOTY.

guy abeg no kii me

elyte89:
I don't know when having a charity organization makes one a legend[b][/b]

If dt is d case,me sef na legend

exactly he might have a stand offish attitude but his performances for nigeria were mostly on point

elyte89:
We wait for them!DTS d key word, and let c who would replicate similar performance or a better one dn Vicmo,
Abi no b Dis thread ,na to begin curse d replacement, later stating aw important Vicmo was



Me don learn for Dis thread, most ppu opinion here is always beclouded by emotions ,let's wait and c who replaces Vicmo himself,and c his performance but if I hear pim abt us missing Vicmo on Dis thread, NA WAHALA OO


To me Vicmo attd to national team was poor,I dont like his attd eida,but i dont care since he plays well for us,WC I feel most peeps re hiding under to downgrade his performance for us,but sentiment aside,Vicmo was our best player after d 2014 world cup,most especially d penultimate year b4 2018 world cup.

kanu arsenal legend? looooooooooooooooool . personally i like kanu for his skills and humanitarian works but if we decide to remove sentiments and judge him solely on his career in the senior national team hmmm my sister alot of myths would be broken o

by the way atlanta olympics was largely an under age tournament

safarigirl:
Atlanta 96 was Nigeria's first trophy at that level on the World Stage.

AFCON was not out first.

Kanu is also an Arsenal legend

Moses is not a Chelsea legend


If you want to give Moses legend status based on AFCON, then Sunday Mba should also be a Nigerian football legend.


Kanu started a heart foundation that has helped millions, what has Moses helped anybody do?


You assume being a legend is solely about football. It is not just about playing a game, it is about the sacrifices you make in the process of playing.


Which sacrifice has Moses ever made for the GwG? He used the team to elevate himself, but never did anything to his own detriment for the sake of the team. Nigga was a selfish ass mofo and he wasn't even good enough to cover up for it. Not one record worthy of note on any stage. Is that your legend?

Moses is not a Legend, he's not even a Hero or a Star, maybe he could be a Guinness because he's made of black

i do

Icon4s:
Talking about Victor Moses being a legend of the Nigerian game. This is subjective, depending on who you want to classify as a legend.

Let me role out my list of Nigerian legends and lets see if Victor Moses belongs to that Class.

Teslim "Thunder" Balogun
Christian Chukwu
Segun Odegbami
Adokiye Amiesimaka
Stephen Keshi
Rashidi Yekini
Emmanuel Amuneke
Austin Okocha
Finidi George
Daniel Amokachi (arguably)
Victor Ikpeba
Kanu Nwankwo
Sunday Oliseh
Peter Rufai
Vincent Enyeama

Does Victor Moses belong to that Class? I don't think so.

true mikel emenike mba moses omeruo in that order

tbaba1234:
AFCON 13, I would rate Mikel and Emenike above him but he was an important player.

Joebie:
Kanu is extremely popular on the back of his exploits at club level and in the olympics. That automatically made him noteworthy in SE. Hence he is a legend in Nigerian football generally. He is a legend arguably for most of the clubs he played for.

I don’t think Nigeria has produced legends post the Golden generation. Only a couple players could barely sneek in, Enyeama (he remains one of Nigeria’s best keepers ever), Mikel, I will put him a tab below the formentioned class. He may not be loved by the majority of Chelsea fans but was definitely an important player for Chelsea. His popularity during the tussle between ManU and Chelsea from his youth days, and his exploits in our junior team can hardly be forgotten many years to come. For the Super Eagles, he would be remembered especially for his contributions in 2013/2014.

Is Victor Moses a legend? He was a very important player for Chelsea in their EPL win a couple seasons ago, and as a matter of fact, our best player leading to the World Cup. I still think he needs to tick a couple check boxes to earn the right to be called a legend

yes victor moses is a super eagles legend his national team record stacks up with our all time bests. Afcon? check. went to world cup? double check. played/playing with top clubs? check. his goal record coupled with his appearances is great. if Kanu who has a poorer record in comparison to vicmo is a legend then what are we arguing about? osaze better than vicmo? i don laugh tire.

victor will be missed but the emerging talent we have coming through should tide us over

you don't have to be a fan of the man but based on his records in the GWG he deserves huge accolades

Mujtahida:
My guy, how is it with you? The Christian contribution to science is undisputed and well known and that's why I didn't feel obliged to highlight it.

As for Buhari I was blinded by the change mantra but his first appointments opened my opened my eyes.

Hahahaha hahahaha @me loosing my Christian faith. Well I left because of a combination of factors but I can summarise it by saying that I cannot worship a God who doesn't talk or talks through proxies(books, prophets, pastors, seers)
I believe in God but I don't believe that Jehovah is God. I once did but not anymore. Faith is too personal to be mediated through a book or the words written long ago. If God spoke then directly to Abraham, to Moses, to Elisabeth, to Paul, he should speak also now speak directly to people. The sun does not need emissaries. God too in my estimation doesn't need emissaries.

I'm great boss hope you as well.

Hope brilliant smart Nigerians like you get involved in our political landscape no matter which party you decide to join we can't continue to allow rogues and charlatans dominate the political future of nigeria.

God still speaks to his people today it's a pity the number of deceivers and imposters has almost drowned out the genuine faithful ones. Jesus Christ always warned us about hypocrites

Mujtahida:
You get my drift.
@ the bolded, Alexander Pope said 'of forms of government, let fools contend;what is best is best.
I do not necessarily believe in democracy. I believe in good governance. Not many people know that the founding fathers of American never believed in democracy which they equated with mob rule.
Thomas Jefferson declared: "A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine."

Talking about UAE, I often point out to people who say Islam has stunted the thinking of the North and made them underdeveloped that Islam has a rich history of progress in all spheres. In fact when Europe was shrouded in the mist of superstition during the era called dark ages, the Muslim world was making great strides in mathematics, medicine, literature, architecture, philosophy and science.

In modern times we have seen countries with Muslim majority named as prosperous Nations- Qatar, UAE, Singapore, Saudi Arabia, Malaysia, Indonesia etc.

When I talk like this it is easy to mistake me for a Muslim but I am not a Muslim and I am not a Christian either.
Progress, prosperity, the good life is not the preserve or prerogative of any race or religion. We simply lack leaders who can inspire our people to create a civilization. Our politicians are a blight and a curse.

my learned padi miss you in the other 'house' hope you come back soon lol.

Yes Islam/Arab civilization has contributed greatly to human kinds progress algebra for instance but it may surprise you that the Christian faith through the Catholic Church supported scientific pursuits during the dark ages despite what history tells us.

As for buhari I've always found him a dull, tribal hypocrite and sadly he has proved me right with his current administration. The truth is he was the best of a bad set of candidates. Its for the same reason that he will likely win again next year.

I'm curious to know why you dropped your christian faith I wouldn't mind discussing it with you sometime hope you change your mind.

Success looking sharp

forgiveness:
Porto should allow the boy to go, Haba! You don't want him yet you don't want to sell him.

Na by force? The boy don tire for loan loan matter. He wants to leave your club for good. Chikena!

me wonder o

hi doc great to have you back missed your presence

TheSuperNerd:
Sir Terzurum5.... I can see that the title of the thread has been altered. Now it just reads "Afcon 2019".....

One question: After Afcon 2019 is done and dusted, will you again alter the thread title to Afcon 2021 or even Olympics 2020?

This thread was originally set out to cover all the events and stories and discussions surrounding our build up to Russia 2018 and Afcon 2019 so altering the thread name will only act to confuse folks the more. This thread is meant to end with Afcon 2019 no matter how big it has gotten just like how the previous thread ended with Afcon 2017 failed qualification. The threads we open are like Chronicles and archives of information that document our football stories and more and thus must be properly defined by specificity of threads created for a period.

And also, I wanna ask why you bowed to the pressure from Dad Icon4s to remove the phrase, "Dawn of a new era"... Or is it because we lost out in Russia??

Look, before the brightest Dawn is always the Dark nights... The darkness of the night is always thickest before the brightest Dawn... Our experience in Russia is a seed sown for this young team. I always said it was gonna be our BAPTISM of fire on the international stage. We have a team on the rise and more quality young talents are sprouting up in our football. Just take a look at Kalu's move for instance... You cannot deny the fact that a new dawn is coming. Even a goal.com article lists K.Nwakali as one of the young players of today's game to watch out for in Qatar 2022 (if we get there... But I know we will qualify). A new era is coming and Russia 2018 should not blind us to that fact... Maturity takes time and four years is more than enough. Afcon 2019 will show how much this team have truly grown post-Russia so please buckle up and get ready... A new era in Nigerian football is indeed close.

great to have you back doc we missed you

TheSuperNerd:
Sir Terzurum5.... I can see that the title of the thread has been altered. Now it just reads "Afcon 2019".....

One question: After Afcon 2019 is done and dusted, will you again alter the thread title to Afcon 2021 or even Olympics 2020?

This thread was originally set out to cover all the events and stories and discussions surrounding our build up to Russia 2018 and Afcon 2019 so altering the thread name will only act to confuse folks the more. This thread is meant to end with Afcon 2019 no matter how big it has gotten just like how the previous thread ended with Afcon 2017 failed qualification. The threads we open are like Chronicles and archives of information that document our football stories and more and thus must be properly defined by specificity of threads created for a period.

And also, I wanna ask why you bowed to the pressure from Dad Icon4s to remove the phrase, "Dawn of a new era"... Or is it because we lost out in Russia??

Look, before the brightest Dawn is always the Dark nights... The darkness of the night is always thickest before the brightest Dawn... Our experience in Russia is a seed sown for this young team. I always said it was gonna be our BAPTISM of fire on the international stage. We have a team on the rise and more quality young talents are sprouting up in our football. Just take a look at Kalu's move for instance... You cannot deny the fact that a new dawn is coming. Even a goal.com article lists K.Nwakali as one of the young players of today's game to watch out for in Qatar 2022 (if we get there... But I know we will qualify). A new era is coming and Russia 2018 should not blind us to that fact... Maturity takes time and four years is more than enough. Afcon 2019 will show how much this team have truly grown post-Russia so please buckle up and get ready... A new era in Nigerian football is indeed close.

egbon hosting competitions is just about having the facilities ready but having your people trained and logistics top nought. good transportation,
stable light, excellent security for the whole country not just venues, happy economically bouyant locals who would come to watch the events.

countries that done the basics have yet to host world cup is it now nigeria that is struggling to provide drinking water, electricity, schools etc that will now organize world cup? i laugh in hosting rights

forgiveness:
Nigeria is not serious yet hosted 1999 FIFA U20 world cup, 2000 Afcon and 2009 FIFA U17 world cup yet none of these so called countries have been able to do that save Egypt.


Besides, you're confused. Stick to either hosting world cup or Afcon.

i'm inclined to follow tbaba's train of thought. for one who are the people who tend to take such dangerous journeys across the mediterranean mostly our country men/women from the southern part of nigeria even though 65-80% of those living in extreme poverty are based in the north. for me i think the attitude of alot of southerners is that europe, america/canada is some eldorado and they will do anything in their power notwithstanding their economic status to get there. all those edo girls who get trafficked are we saying their situation is way worse off than ladies in rural northern communities like chibok or dapchi?

no doubt about it there is poverty in the land but the attitude of our young people especially down south doesn't help. alot want the instant flashy lifestyle without the necessary hardwork to follow it. if not for insecurity and lack of rule of law nigeria is the kind of place if you put your head and work diligently you would do well in no time

komekn:
That segment you describe is the exception and not the generality of people wilfully putting themselves into slavery and then playing lottery with thier lives to cross the Mediterranean Sea.

People buy into hope if you destroy thier hope you have destroyed thier lives.

Why do you think our churches are full of people ❓ They have bought into the hope, in most cases misguided prosperity ministry and not the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Like he wants to continue his uncommon transmission sorry transformation

https://www.pmnewsnigeria.com/2014/11/21/ozekhome-tells-tambuwal-to-resign-over-assembly-chaos/

the internet never lies. before anyone starts getting up in my mention i'm not pro-apc, pdp, buhari, saraki, atiku or anyone that is not genuinely for nigeria's progress. just highlighting the hypocrisy of politicians on both sides of the divide when it suits them

sorry but what is "weighty'' about it? at best it's conspiracy theory b**lshit at worst a national team player recommending a talented player to the coach which is not unusual remember yobo abbey george? i just think for some reason laloko wants to make the headlines

Joebie:
It’s not a matter of whether Joel merited it or not. The allegation is a weighty one. I think it’s fake news after all.

guy dude is just blowing hot air. joel obi's invitation to the SE has always been on merit whether from his inter milan days to present even if mikel (highly unlikely) is his brother.

Joebie:
Was Joel also in that academy? If so, then we have to get to the bottom of it. This is a big allegation for someone like Laloko to make Why is this report not also on other media outlets? Let me check.

tbaba1234:
Yes, any moment now..

is the player a he or she?

From the Leicester friendly against udinese musa looked quite sharp might have unfinished business in the EPL after all.

Happy to hear from preliminary reports that it seems Isaac success has given himself brain and is taking his football career serious pray his descent preseason translates into a good full injury free EPL campaign

tbaba1234:
Terrible news, Ebuehi is injured. Torn ACL

for real? Damn tough one. He's young sure he will bounce back but how unlucky can one get to suffer this kind of injury when you are yet to establish yourself smh

ijebus will even say they are not yorubas

forgiveness:
All Yorubas living or dead migrated from Nigeria, to be specific Ile Ife. That is why if you ask any Yoruba man in Togo, Benin, Ghana etcetera they will tell you dey are from Ile Ife or Oyo. Most of them will even tell you the village they identify with after they left Ife or Oyo.

Oral history is passed down to most of them to know where excatly they migated from in Nigeria and who of there relatives remains. The only Yoruba who will never claim he is from Ife or Oyo is Ijebu.

please state the ''non facts''. all the stuffs i have said about the father are based on interviews and pictures dele's father provided.

i've read your response to basco unless you are speaking as a close confidant or someone in the know of dele's situation all you've wrote is speculation and personal opinion of the matter.

emmanuel adebayour that grew up in the nigerian african setting and now he has disowned his family. whether african or jand if you were a terrible parent the child will surely bone you.

nobody knows the true situation of things so it will be presumptuous to say any side is right.

komekn:
my post to Basconvelli answers most of your questions, please read.

Can i humbly suggest what you are calling facts are not facts .