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Unlimited22:
LOL, I never said we don't stand a chance in hell.
We actually have a very good chance of making it out of the group if we play to our strengths. Let's maximise those strengths and we scale through. But how strong are the strengths? Despite the massive bounds we've made recently, the team is still average. That is my point. I support the super eagles, but that won't make me lose objectivity.

dude then what are we arguing about lol if you have followed this thread for some time you would have seen monikers like mine say we should manage our expectations and hope for the best. Anyway your point taken peace

Unlimited22:
We support our own, but not to the extent of deliberately pulling the wool over our own eyes in the name of patriotism. Hardwerk may be toeing extreme lines by calling the team poo, but it is an inescapable fact that the team is bang average.

costa rica was bang average yet topped a group that had uruguay, england, italy in 2014. we are not fooling ourselves that we are not underdogs but logically we have seen with team work and good coaching we could probably get out of the group. argentina are favourites but they are very vulnerable, croatia have world class players but couldn't top their world cup qualifying group that had turkey finland iceland and ukraine so is it really a stretch believing we can beat them?

you are entitled to believe we don't stand a chance in hell but why begrudge someone from believing the opposite?

lol opari master where did you draw up this incomplete list of yours from? wait let me draw up mine then we can see how ''better'' the 2014 squad was

enyeama>>>>uzoho

ejide>akpeyi/ajiboye

agbim<<<<ezenwa

oshaniwa>idowu (time will tell)

ambrose=shehu

oboabona<balogun

yobo (of 2014)<ekong

omeruo 2014>omeruo 2018

egweike=awaziem (time will judge)

odunlami<<<<<<<<<<ebuehi

onazi 2014>=?onazi 2018

mikel 2014<<<mikel 2018

r.gabriel<<<(lol you actually want to compare them) ndidi

r.azeez<etebo

uchebo<<<<<<<<<ogu

v.moses 2014<<v.moses 2018

osaze>m.simon

emenike>ighalo

musa 2014>=?musa 2018

m.babatunde<iwobi

s.ameobi<<<<iheanacho

uzoenyi<aina

u.nwofor<j.obi

from the comparisons you can see at least 13 better options in rohr's squad. it's only the goalkeeping department that has an obvious lack of quality

Icon79:
The level of talent in the current team? Oh please, this team is not even as talented as the mediocre 2014 team. As a matter of fact, let me reproduce my comparative analysis of the two teams .... for your reading pleasure

Goalkeepers:
Vincent Enyeama is better than anybody we have right now. I am quite sure you can't argue that fact. (Advantage Keshi)

CBs:
Oboabona of 2014 is probably better than Balogun (But let's call these two a wash)
Omeruo of 2014 is probably better than Ekong (Let's call it a wash)

RBs:
I will rate Efe Ambrose of 2014 over Shehu Abdullahi any day (Adv. Keshi)

LBs:
Oshinawa is better than Echiejile (Adv. Keshi)

DMs/CMs:
John Obi Mikel is better than Wilfred Ndidi (Adv. Keshi)
Onazi of 2014 is better than Onazi of 2018 (Adv. Keshi)

AMs/Strikers:
VicMo of 2018 is better than VicMo of 2014 (advantage Rohr)
Ahmed Musa of 2014 is better than Moses Simon (Adv. Keshi)
Emmanuel Emenike is better than Jude Ighalo (Adv. Keshi)
Osaze Odemwingie is better than Kelechi Iheanacho (Adv. Keshi)

You don see am? The progress we're making with the current team is that we now have a team structure/shape. I mean, we now play under a system unlike during the time of Keshi. In fact, if you were to handover the current team to Keshi (RIP), we wouldn't have qualified in the first place.


O pari

4 league goals is still not impressive egbon that's the honest truth. even for simy 7 goals is not good enough but in his case he has been rewarded for consistent good form over the past few weeks. unfortunately no striker of nigerian origin has hit double digits so we have to settle for what is available.

i confused ogbeche's 2001/2002 stat for the 2002/2003 season so i was wrong when i said he scored 1 league goal prior to the world cup.

like i told you earlier i had no qualms with onigbinde taking bartholomew to the world cup as a promising talent but on the fact of his numbers sorry not good enough

forgiveness:
Ogbeche stats prior to the world Cup. How did Simy performed better than Ogbeche?

komekn:
You are clearly misrepresenting the facts.

Kelechi does not train with Ozil, Sanchez and Ramsey.

He is playing in the Eerste Divisie 2nd tier of Dutch football. It is low and what's more concerning is he is not the stand out player in that low league.

He is currently just an Arsenal player on paper, a mere speculative business transaction that may possibly. yield some dividend.

Unfortunately there is a continous trend for reasons unknown to give former Nigerian youth players irrespective of current progression opportunities in the SE to the detriment of far better performing players.

pictures they say speak a thousand words

that aside everyone here me inclusive knows k.nwakali is still work in progress but you can't deny his talent. the athletico game showed huge dollops of that

my statement which you quoted was just using the kind of ridiculous criteria forgiveness uses to defend players he fancies to big up kelechi.

you are the one that misleading everyone here you wrote that you are not sure if he will make it in the epl based on the team he plays for and league he operates in and i said if fuchs could come straight into the ''minefield'' you call epl and win a champions medal then you are being overly presumptuous to say balogun can't cut it

whether he was top 10 or not the fact of the matter is he was a first member of a team that won the epl FACT!

he plays for austria ehen so what? what have they achieved in world football?

man players from the supposed one man league bundesliga have come to epl and done well.

epl is a top league but easy on the hype

komekn:
Your clutching at straws to make a point, was he among the top 10 performing players in Leicester did he ever win one MOTM award. Was he a stand out player in the EPL.

He is one of the most capped players for Austria and a stand out player in the Bundesliga with near 200 games over 7 years. And you called him Rubbish.

You are being mischievously misleading.

lol without using google i dare you to name 5 other clubs apart from dynamo kiev in the ukrainian league and you say it's not a backwater

CSKA moscow sef get true european pedigree na

don't exaggerate he has started well in ukraine time will tell how good he will turn out but i wish him the best

it's your prerogative to question his non inclusion but he has not been pulling up trees to justify his callup 3 goals in 21 games is not super striker form

komekn:
Ukraine league is rated No. 7 in Europe I wouldn't call it backwater.

Then add to it Shatter Donetsk a club with true European champions league pedigree.

He has actually made upward progression. Then to be winning MOTM awards in that league as well. He has performed much better than many who have been invited. He clearly deserves a call up. Add to that he is versatile can play on the wings with good pace.

I really do not see any rational reason why he shouldn't have been invited players in a few friendlies to have a good look at what he can offer.

lol chief you always welcome on our thread but you can't really blame us for being optimistic and patriotic about our team. that's why it's the super eagles thread

Unlimited22:
O boi I just tire for that super Eagles thread. I tire I swear.

reasonable talk

charlesemeka85:
sentiment apart kelechi nwakali flopped in venlo before dropping to the dutch 2nd division where he had a decent season. notwithstanding he is still young and still have a lot to learn but his talent is obvious. kayode making the team of the month once during his stint with girona will not shadow the fact that he flopped big time in the league. a striker who couldnt score a goal from last summer when he joined girona till the winter transfer window before he joined schaktar donestk has no place in the current eagles set up.his resurgence in ukraine was too late for him to be included and rohr who have monitored him severally knows what he wants in a striker which i doubt kayode possesses. no doubt kayode is a good player but he really need to make good statement for him to deserve a place in rohr's team. kelechi nwakali from what i saw in his came yesterday is a work in progress but should not be rushed so that much expectation wont weigh him down. i advice he should be in the team after the world and serve as an understudy to aging john obi mikel.

why wasn't kayode getting good game in girona if he was good enough?

how come no better club in the top 5 leagues noticed his ability but he had to go to a backwater league where he didn't pull stuffs

forgiveness:
Why was he not getting game time if he was good enough?

How good was he that a better team didn't notice his ability for him to have gone to a lower division team where he didn't pull stuffs?

yet fuchs who was rubbish in the bundesliga became a champion in his first season with leicester in the ''tough EPL'' go figure

komekn:
You miss the point.

What has been Balogun performance over the last 7/8 years in the German league system❓

He was struggling on the bench at Mainz a team thats been romancing relegation. So do you think he will now come to the EPL and tear it up.

You can not be a mouse in London then turn to Lion when you reach Lagos. Not likely.

hmmm interesting simy nwankwo performed better than ogbeche during his time so his call up is understandable. ''what how dare you don't you know ogbeche played with ronaldinho, okocha, hessenesy sorry i mean heinze'' kayode performed better than k. nwakili ''what egbon don't you know kelechi trains with ozil, sanchez and ramsey'' abi no be so based on your logic?

forgiveness:
Did Kelechi Nwakali flop or not?

How come with his 9 games and 1 goal, he was demoted to a lower division 2?

At least, the flopped Kayode made the la Liga team of the week with the likes of Messi and co, and later moved to a bigger club where he made the player of the month in a team Taison and Fred going to the world Cup plays.

At least, that flop is better.

https://nigeriannewsdirect.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/la-liga.png

TheGoodJoe:
Wow. I agree with you here. The stars lived up to their hypes. From Ronaldo, Vieri, Edgar Davids, Seedorf, Zidane, Suker, Okocha, Ikpeba, Oliseh, Oruma, Michael Laudrup, Shearer, Owen etc.

Those names that were song, both locally and international had stunning moments. I even remember that Raul's goal against us. Brilliantly taken and was a stamp of his class.

I remember the young Thierry Henry and Trezeguet getting their nods and still delivering.

Although Roberto Carlos not scoring a screaming free kick and Del Piero failing to score marred some of the expected thrill.

Brilliant and interesting point.

even the Italians who typically play cagey, defensive football especially in beginning of tournaments where entertaining to watch.

Bergkamp's goal against the argies still wows me

Ah memories was 1989 I really started following and enjoying football Saudi 89, okwaraji

Italia 90 was my first world cup. Cameroon and Germany to some extent made a very poor world cup bearable to watch.

I agree France 98 was the best. Great goals, fantastic football, lovely skills great tournament all round. What made it more enjoyable was that all the hyped world class players came to the party and performed well.

Hope Russia turns out to be exciting and not a borefest

Kog45:
Oh missing 96 Afcon was damn terrible cos the team list remain the best till today.

Check the list

Goalkeeper

Peter Rufai

Ike Shorunmu

Dosu Joseph

Defence

Uche Okechukwu

Chidi Nwanu

Taribo West

Austin Eguavoen

Ben Iroha

Celestine Babayaro

Mobil Oparaku

Uche Okafor

Midfield

Austin Okocha

Mutiu Adepoju

Wilson Oruma

Garba Lawal

Sunday Oliseh

Forward

Rashidi Yekini

Daniel Amokachie

Samson Siasia

Kanu Nwankwo

Finidi George

Tijani Babangida

Emma Amuneke

Oh Abacha political decision ruined all time best 23 man list

Omo what a list we for batter teams senseless that year

forgiveness:
Only in ya imagination he scored 1 goal. Bhuahaha!

Person wey don agree say em score 5 goals come dey compare em 5 goals with Simy's 7 goals. Bhuahaha!

Abegi!

so he scored five league goals?

forgiveness:
Be deceiving yaself. Ndo!

abi is it false information that he scored 1 league goal

forgiveness:
From 1 goals to 5 goals...bhuahaha!

Ogbech's stats for 17 years old lad, playing for PSG with Ronaldiho, Okocha, Leroy, Heinze, Arteta etc is better than that of Simy's who is 26 years old. Sorry.

17 year old with one league goal

forgiveness:
Oga! You have been proven wrong. Kindly move on because how many goals did Ogbeche scored was never initially the bone of contention, rather it was Ogbeche had the same form Simy is currently having prior to the 2002 WC which you falsely claimed was not correct but proven wrong, sorry.

lol yes you are right 7 is the same as 5 continue to deceive yourself if that will help you sleep well at night

Happy Birthday Safarigirl

forgiveness:
Which other person 1?

8 Bartholomew Ogbeche
Born/age: Oct 1, 1984 (33)
Nationality: NigeriaNigeria
Height: 1,78 m
Position: Centre-Forward
Contract until: 30.06.2018
Agent: Soccer-Solutions
Former international: NigeriaNigeria
Bartholomew Ogbeche
Getty Images


PERFORMANCE DATA
The result is either the total result or the result of a selected season.
Select season:

PERFORMANCE DATA 01/02

Ligue 1 Ligue 1 21 4 1 2 - - 1.087'
Coupe de la Ligue 3 1 - - - - 178'
UEFA Cup 2 - - 1 - - 137'
Coupe de France 1 - - -

Total 01/02: 27 5 1 3 - - 1.416


5 goals and 1 assist is what is on that source as the bolded suggest.

hallelujah you have finally pasted it dear bros how many goals did ogbeche score in Ligue 1?

forgiveness:
Then, why are searching for what is not?

Called me so called saint? What about if I am holy, what will you call me?

My friend, 'unto the church of God which is at Corinthian.. to them that are holy...called to be Saints..' Who was Paul addressing as Saints in that quotation in 1corin 1:2?

If you want to know I can teach you.

pride goeth b4 a fall

forgiveness:
Show me where Ogbeche scored one goal through out that season going into the WC.

Didn't you say Ogbeche situation was different from Simy's situation?

Oga, Ogbeche scored 5 goals with star studded PSG hence nothing different from Simy's situation.

This is the link that puts nail to the coffin that Ogbeche was in the same form Simy is prior to the 2002 WC. EOD

You can pretend you didn't see it but those who really wants to be informed will open the link and confirm the truth while those who love lies will pretend.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/bartholomew-ogbeche/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/5574/saison/2001/wettbewerb/FR1/verein/583

lol someone scored 7 league goals the other person 1 yes you have sure busted my ''false information''

Plus you have not showed where I said simy was blistering mr truth and honesty

forgiveness:
Is it not false information?

So, I should you posted holy false information to make look holy false information?

Biased in sense that Simy had a blistering season with 7 goals but Ogbeche didn't have blistering season eventhough he 5 goals that season. Yes!

Where in my post did you see claimed Ogbeche scored with Sangalo?

I said his accusing claimed it was due to that Sangalo he was chosen.

Now, If you really want to know the numbers of goals Ogbeche scored click those links. Period.

stop with the story and post na

forgiveness:
Is it not false information?

So, I should you posted holy false information to make look holy false information?

Biased in sense that Simy had a blistering season with 7 goals but Ogbeche didn't have blistering season eventhough he 5 goals that season. Yes!

If you really want to know click those links. Period.

I have kept on asking which false information did I post? If you don't post it then you are a liar

Where did I say blistering season for simy? You are truly a case

I repeat post the ''honest information'' what are you scared of Mr beacon of truth and integrity

forgiveness:
Which half truth? You mean Ogbeche scored one goal in 2001/2002 season going into the world cup?

For your information, Ogbeche scored and contributed to 6 goals if the Coupe d France is included. Besides, He played well in the UEFA Cup. Is Simy performance better than Ogbeche now that you can see the fact from that reliable and trust able source?

By the way, where did you see me insult you by calling you a liar? Show me nau nau and I will apologies else you should do otherwise.

https://www.transfermarkt.com/bartholomew-ogbeche/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/5574/saison/2001/wettbewerb/FR1/verein/583

https://www.transfermarkt.com/bartholomew-ogbeche/leistungsdatendetails/spieler/5574/saison/2001/wettbewerb/FRL/verein/583

you said I posted false information isn't that indirectly calling me a liar?

You called me biased even when at the beginning of my statement I said I had no issues with onigbinde calling ogbeche up

Stop beating around the bush how many goals did ogbeche score that year also which sangolo did he score since according to you that was the basis for his call up

forgiveness:
How can you know when you are trying hard to Justify the inclusion of simy and dismerit the inclusion of Ogbeche by using the overall statistics of Ogbeche in all his seasons in PSG with Simy's current season?

Double standard.

If you want to truely know, please kindly go to transfermarkt and search for Ogbeche's 2001/2002 season with PSG.

Those who watched the matches of Ogbeche will never request for that information. Thanks

you have said I posted wrong information disprove me by posting the right one abi

forgiveness:
You mean Ligue 1 was lowly rated as at that to time?

Ogbeche didn't have a blistering form yet scored or contributed to half of the goals Simy scored in
45 matches for two seasons in just his first season with PSG.

Simy contributed to 8 goals this season while Ogbeche contributed 5 goals in that his first season in Ligue 1 as a very young 17 years boy, playing with the likes of Ronaldiho, Jay Jay Okocha, Leroy, Heinze, Mikel Arteta etc but in your own biased and double standard eyes, he was not in form.

I know those two faced double standard fellows will use these calibers of players, the club and the fact that Ligue one was among the top 5 leagues in the world then to dismerit a player in Cronote to score a point.

That your stats of Ogbeche is dead on arrival because I followed Ogbeche and Okocha during that era and those who saw with their two koro koro eyes can testify to the fact that Ogbeche as a 17 years old in his first season as a professional player had a blistering form heading to the WC.

Try harder next time. Ok

But it is so disappointing that nobody could tackle this false information of yours here. No problem.

you really like spreading half truths thinking you are clever just because you want to win an argument. What false information have I posted I said ogbeche did not score a bicycle kick is that a lie? Is scoring one goal in a season impressive.

This is the second time you are insulting me by calling me a liar. This is the last time I will be warning if you know you can't argue with civility like the Christian you claim to be please avoid my mentions don't worry I will avoid yours

fabyom:
I lost my one and only sibling yesterday to the cold hands of death. My elder bro, he was just 40 years old. Got sick the same day he was to start a very lucrative job after years of struggling without a well paid Job. Trying to control how sad I am.

Please Take heart bro may God comfort you and your family

forgiveness:
You mean Ligue 1 was lowly rated as at that to time?

Ogbeche didn't have a blistering form yet scored or contributed to half of the goals Simy scored in
45 matches for two seasons in just his first season with PSG.

Simy contributed to 8 goals this season while Ogbeche contributed 5 goals in that his first season in Ligue 1 as a very young 17 years boy, playing with the likes of Ronaldiho, Jay Jay Okocha, Leroy, Heinze, Mikel Arteta etc but in your own biased and double standard eyes, he was not in form.

I know those two faced double standard fellows will use these calibers of players, the club and the fact that Ligue one was among the top 5 leagues in the world then to dismerit a player in Cronote to score a point.

That your stats of Ogbeche is dead on arrival because I followed Ogbeche and Okocha during that era and those who saw with their two koro koro eyes can testify to the fact that Ogbeche as a 17 years old in his first season as a professional player had a blistering form heading to the WC.

Try harder next time. Ok

But it is so disappointing that nobody could tackle this false information of yours here. No problem.

smh obviously you didn't read the link I pasted for you. Please post this information where ogbeche contributed 5 goals

again back to society nigerians generally don't go for the calm, cool quietly confident types but the loud brash egocentric ones who even though he might not have anything up stairs will be hailed

plus i noticed in our society if you don't blow your trumpet you will be ignored

Joebie:
Arrogance and ego is just an outward reaction to a problem deep down.

Modified
I once met a guy who said he is not proud but he is confident. like, seriously? I don't know the difference? A humble person cannot be confident?

Joebie:
Yes Kalika also helped him win bronze at Rio abi?. Kalika was also instrumental to Manu Garba's U20 team failing to disgrace the U23 team when our own Flying Eagles were whopping all the top NPFL teams at the Super 6. Siasia also beat Brazil 1-0 without Kalika (thanks to Emmanuel Daniel though). My friend I wont take anything away from Kalika. Siasia is indeed wise to be able to choose the right minds to help him in his job. But you can't take anything away from Siasia, because he also did very well without Kalika. Although sometimes it seems he has his boys. But in reality every coach has their boys for reasons we can always investigate.

Amuneke football na tik tak? Don't sound like a hater now. Oh yes I will agree with you on that, only on the ground that he is really an agent

siasia is talented coach no doubt but he suffers from the same disease of most nigerian coaches arrogance and ego. it's good to be confident but sometimes you need that self awareness and humility to check yourselves and evaluate ones performances so any noted lapses can be corrected.