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we are not comparing 2004 to 2009 you blatantly said osaze only started playing well in 2009 abi i lie?

forgiveness:
You can not compare Odenwingie of 2008 up with Odenwingie of 2004. No no.

He won Nigeria player of the year around 2008 -2012. The difference is clear.

forgiveness:
Does it change the fact he started playing well for Nigeria from 2009? Maybe 2008. I just know from the time we played WC qualifiers.

honestly forgiveness I will stop engaging you in football debates somebody did well in a tournament in 2004 and you are now saying he only started doing well 2009 haba Na! Fear God small

SlayerForever:
If you look at it objectively,there are people who are obviously tribalistic or bias towards analyzing player performance. If those people only criticize Nacho when he has a bad game that can be overlooked because they are overtly tribalist,to the point of being silly (not that I personally have a problem with someone being tribalist if they can still use their brain).. However,that a few are tribalist does not mean the other people should worship a piss poor player to the point of cyberbullying others into resignation. That is so wrong. 2 wrongs don't make a right and I say Bleep them Iheanacho worshippers! Iheanacho has been poor over a number of games both for club and country. He notably stood out in that Huddersfield game. They can bow to Iheanacho 10 times a day facing the east,their fucking business. Iheanacho can do much better,I'm not cutting him no slack anymore with that much potential and at this current level.

lol bow to iheanacho 10x facing east lol you make a fair point i agree some praise of KC has gained tended to hero worship. However my point is there are two sides of the extreme instead of the middle ground when it comes 2 KC's matter either extreme beef or extreme praise that will make you think whether iheanacho is the second coming of maradona

i have no qualms with anyone defending ighalo but like you said why must they mention other players to justify his mediocrity for the national team

Icon4s:
I am amazed at how people are just pulling other players down just to defend Ighalo's mediocrity.

really not impressed with the sloppiness and general lackadaisical attitude of the nff, players/coaching crew to preps for this match. we need to get serious

TheSuperNerd:
Super Eagles Camp Update

Training venue change.

Today’s training session now holds at the gym and premises of Ibom Hotel.

We regret whatever inconveniences this change may have caused the media and our fans who had planned to watch the open session at the Godswill Akpabio Stadium.

From @NGSuperEagles

of course it was ighalo who scored 3 goals at the 2004 AFCON

forgiveness:
Osaze started playing well from 2009.

iheanacho definitely has a lot of improving to do but i have to admit i've noticed a trend where if he plays well some monikers were too busy to see him play but when he plays badly hey presto suddenly the schedule would magically be free to see how badly KC played.

SlayerForever:
Iheanacho is a decent player on his day but in recent times has been piss poor. Absolutely. Don't let any sick fool bully you. Look at Iwobi. Look at Ekong. Look at Eberechi Eze getting called up by the English youth team. Look at Samuel Chukwueze making the step up to the Villarreal senior team. Look at the resurgent Success, is he not Nacho's age mate? Okay look at Osimhen,√ the young man has picked up the pieces and is doing very well. Look at Musa at Nassr. These are players who are keeping it real. Except that Huddersfield game where he really stood out, Iheanacho currently❌

hi chief fan of your write ups especially on the kenya vs naija thread.

from observing your previous posts can see you are a big fan of atiku. yes i expect him to win the north central region but i think it's overly optimistic to think it will be a landslide. apart from niger buhari has huge followers in kogi and nassarawa. plateau yes buhari will loss handsomely (not sure about lalong though his opponent is general useni) but i expect the fulani muslim settlers to guarantee him the minimum 25%. benue buhari has not done good by them. will be surprised if he gets up to 10% there but you cannot underestimate the akume factor. kwara is abit unpredictable yes saraki has the structures to carry kwara state but a lot of people in the state are not enamoured with him. i expect some shock votes in that regard.

even though i personally think atiku's chances of winning the whole election are slim he still has good odds. he needs to get good number of votes in the NE i.e adamawa (son of the soil factor?), taraba, bauchi (christian minorities) and gombe (also christian minority and dakwambo factor.) he also has to win or at worst split SW votes. if he can't do the aforementioned then it could be curtains for turaki cos buhari has heavy hitters to nab votes in traditional pdp strongholds like akpabio, uduaghan, ogboru, oshiomole and ameachi for SS while rochas, ngige and a possible alliance with apga's obiana could dent the almost impregnable SE vote.

Nowenuse:
Where are those who have been arguing here that Buhari will divide the North-central's votes with Atiku?

Pls come and see for yourself. Live screenshots

'The Middlebelt region' is the largest online regional forum of the people of the North-central geopolitcal zone, currently with almost 350 thousand members.

There was a poll since on sunday who to vote between
A (Buhari)
B (Atiku).
Watch who has been leading for yourself. You can join the forum on facebook to see for yourself.

Icon4s:
And who is saying otherwise?

you never know someone might say it was an individual effort and not his assist that led to the goal

I don't care what anybody says but that is an iheanacho assist lol

safarigirl:
lol....which VicMo? The one wey don retire? Na so una dey dream say Enyeama go return till we go World Cup with small pikin

my sister Na the same one o abi pesin no fit change mind come out of retirement

safarigirl:
Rohr's list for the Libyan double-header

Goalkeepers: Francis Uzoho (Elche FC, Spain); Ikechukwu Ezenwa (Enyimba FC); Daniel Akpeyi (Chippa United, South Africa)

Defenders: Olaoluwa Aina (Torino FC, Italy); Abdullahi Shehu (Bursaspor FC, Turkey); Semi Ajayi (Rotherham United, England); Bryan Idowu (Lokomotiv Moscow, Russia); Chidozie Awaziem (FC Porto, Portugal); William Ekong (Udinese FC, Italy); Leon Balogun (Brighton & Hove Albion, England); Kenneth Omeruo (CD Leganes, Spain); Jamilu Collins (SC Padeborn 07, Germany)

Midfielders: Ogenyi Onazi (Trabzonspor FC, Turkey); Wilfred Ndidi (Leicester City, England); Oghenekaro Etebo (Stoke City FC, England); John Ogu (Hapoel Be’er Sheva, Israel)

Forwards: Ahmed Musa (Al Nasr FC, Saudi Arabia); Kelechi Iheanacho (Leicester City, England); Moses Simon (Levante FC, Italy); Henry Onyekuru (Galatasaray SK, Turkey); Odion Ighalo (Changchun Yatai, China); Alex Iwobi (Arsenal FC, England); Samuel Kalu (Bordeaux FC, France); Isaac Success (Watford FC, England)

decent list pity no Mikel.

It's confirmed ezenwa or akpeyi have rohr's nude pics cos I see no reason why either of those two are being called up at the expense of Theo afelokhai

Tyrone, vicmo and ebere to join Omo you have a pretty formidable squad on your hands

komekn:
I expected to see some intelligent comments with those looking at matters with depth and looking at the context and aligning that too our characteristic local dynamics.

Dominic Iorfa Snr. contested the NFF Presidency and lost, he has been involved with the extremely politicised NFF for a long time. You shoul know that we dont practice politics with honour , integrity and fair play in Nigeria.

I was in Warri during that Election and i know lobbying in our politics is not about persuasive arguments but how big your "Ghana must go" bag is.With

At the end of these elections there was bitter rancour and resentment between the victors and the vanquished.

So how do you think knowing our attitude of vehement antagonism in politics, Dominc Iorfa Jnr. was looked at With Love, compassion, warmth and affection Finally after Rohr net with Dominic Jnr , why then did matters not progress.

mr komekn happy Independence day first of what Dominic iorfa snr went through with the nff is nothing that credible people like Segun odegbami and kojo Williams have not gone through but they kept on believing and contributing to the same corrupt nff because good or bad the system will be changed from within and not just mere English and complaining or gnashing of teeth.

As for iorfa jnr he just has to improve and make a career for himself. You always insist on players been chosen because they are good enough now not what he did last year or two years back. If iorfa comes good teams will chase him not just Nigeria. Even if he chooses not to play for nigeria at the very least he can have a great club career. Now I have no issue with you or forgiveness calling for equity justice and honesty in player selection for the national team but where I always clash with you guys is when you defend average or below average players then go round to criticize and rubbish someone else for doing the same.

My hope and prayer for national team is to be in the nearest future filled with players of outstanding quality playing in the best clubs so that all this back and forth would be unnecessary

Icon4s:
Ladies and Gentle Men of the House. Today na my Born Day o.

Happy Birthday to me.

And as part of Celebrations to mark my Birthday I will agree to call for invitation of any player mentioned here today. So for today ''they are all there''
Plus no arguments on any issue. I agree with everybody's opinion until 12AM 1st October.

happy birthday egbon blessings.

I'm very happy that you share common opinion that victor moses is the most legendary player to where the green white green in fact we should build a statue in his honour lol

forgiveness:
First of all, a nation is a nation if he call itself a nation.

Therefore, if any tribe call themselves whatever in a larger proportion, so they are, though we can have at the back of our mind their true origin for academic purposes only.


This brings me to agree with you after many encounters with ikwerre, kwale and ika that they are not Igbo because they wish not to be called so but rather see themselves as Ikwerre nation, kwale nation, Igala nation Edo nation etc. I don't know about Ogoni.

That can also be said of Itshekiri who don't see themselves as Yoruba but as Itshekiri nation though their monarch and political leaders have associated and formed a coalition with the Afenifere and other Yoruba whatever.

Let me also draw your attention to Anioma people of Delta state. It is not a tribe, it's a composition of different Tribes coming under one umbrella Anioma.

Some Benin, some Igbo, some Isoko, some Igala and to your amazement Yoruba made the composition that formed Anioma for political reasons. Yes! Yoruba. This group is called Olukumi people. They are located in the Aniocha North local government and belongs to the Odiani clan which occupies 8 communities in Aniomaland. But have adopted Igbo culture in terms of kingship, names, etcetera except its Olukumi language.

Someone like Nduka Ugbade is an Olukumi indigen though he bares Igbo name.

However, how they see themselves now matters.

my attitude 2 issues of tribal identity is to respect the opinions of peoples from the said community. If they call themselves whatever name even though their language and culture says otherwise who am I to disagree. Australians even though we know their ancestors were originally from britain we don't say they're british but australians same way americans or canadians even though most of their people originally came from england. Even though some communities in Edo state speak and bear yoruba names we can't insist they are yorubas if they choose not to identify themselves as such. Like you I have met friends and colleagues from kwale, ika areas who insist they are not Igbo. I know a lot of ikwerres also do that as well

safarigirl:
LOL.....*im Davido's voice* Give me ASSURANCE, Assurance......

Story for the gods

a lifetime insurance

Fine lion like him na rush dey dey rush am lol

komekn:
What I learned from yesterday's match is we have a lot of work to do.

Team lacked cohesion bad pitch is not an excuse, this is a team that we should be finishing off. We did not.

Against a better team we would have been severely punished.

The population of Seychelles is less than Ughelli town not local government. I would expect our U20 to beat them. They had a goal keeper with a beer belly. Nobody was outstanding in our team although I liked Musa's goal.

Rohr is not innovative and lacks strategic vision for the team, he is structured but not innovative. A preference for safety and conservatism.

I don't see us hitting high notes with him he is unable to engineer passionate enthusiasm and belief in the team essentially that WINNING MENTALITY.

hmmmm I see reason with your assertion "structured but not innovative"

We definitely need to start grooming rohr's replacement before his contract runs down. Rohr may not have the chops to evolve the super eagles but I still think he can help lay a solid foundation for his successor

TayserMahiri:
How behind are you with news.

https://www.icc-cpi.int/kenya/kenyatta

The Case was closed due to lack of sufficient evidence. Click on closed in link above to see what it means. Unless you provide some fresh evidence he's a free man schooling Trump.

lol cover up things ah well

TayserMahiri:
For what?

wasn't he indicted on electoral violence some years back

TayserMahiri:
How to Shock Drump. Nigeria needs a president like Uhuru.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yYQgXLYTdQc&index=6&t=102s&list=WL

yes we hear you please remind us again when uhuru is due at the icc court in the Hague?

the guilty are always uncomfortable didn't mention names but your conscience would not allow you ignore my comment

forgiveness:
You had better remove sentiment from your head and think uprightly.

looooooooooooooooooool

very typical crying like a baby sorry o voltron of ajagun the midfielder of our time

the only player in nigerian league to win title outstandingly

the jagun ajagun of panathanikos who walked on water straight into first team

the man who won on... sorry a million motm awards in belgium holland

the man who conquered europe sorry europa with a single goal

the man whose name evokes tears, hurt and gnashing of teeth

zidane maradona and pele are in awe of his name

everybody help me beg the ADC of ajagun for blaspheming his ogas name before he reports me to presidency, america or united nations

forgiveness:
If you are against mediocre why are you defending his call up stylishly?

How can you know of other player outside your comfort zone?

You are asking if Ajagun was ever an outstanding player in any club he played for and you think you are smarter for asking such unintelligent question when it is all over the net for you to know!? Hmm!

Do you know Abdul was Dolphin most outstanding player when it won the NPFL?

Do you know Abdul walked straight into Panathinaikos team after his exploit with Dolphin?

Do you know this same Panathinaikos team is the most successful Greece club in Europe and the 2nd most successful club in Greece yet he walked into the team?

Do you know he was a starter for two and a half season before a change of coach?

Do you know Abdul won one MOTM in one of the matches that led them to win Greece FA cup yet he was not called?

Do you know he played in the Europa league with Panathinaikos and even scored?

Do you know he won MOTMs and team of the week in the Eredivise (something Kelechi Nwakali couldn't do until he was demoted to the second division of Eredivise) yet he is ignored?


Do you Abdul won MOTMs and team of the week in the Belgium league just last season yet the coach and peeps like you want us to believe Kelechi is in the same level with Abdul?

How can you know all these when your focus is you?

Without the help of the national team Iwobi, Ndidi , Etebor and Ogu for dey one obscure league. Gbam!

For your information Rabiu club is far better than that division two league of course.

egbon me sef weak. as per the likes don't be surprised if it's one of the usual suspects because i saw one jumping around like a hyper active kid high on sugar just because i mentioned his favourite player

Icon4s:
O boy I shock for the kind players that guy they mention.

That one na to set our football in backward motion o.

And to think that he was getting likes and supporters for that post.

Na wa o.

did your eye not see where i said KC doesn't deserve his call up.

guy you are smarter than this was ajagun ever an outstanding player in any club he played for? please post his above average stats let everybody judge

the gassed out echejiele is still with monaco by the way plus with him we won afcon. please remind me what did we win with a fully gassed taiwo.

ogu pulled trees, ndidi pulled trees, iwobi was decent, etebo sef try

due process followed when players you like or fancy are called up.

rabiu doesn't deserve a call up same as nwakali how is that controversial ni tori Olorun?

Mickael2:
We are not talking about average players or not, if you tag someone like Ajagun a below average player what does that make KC?

On Taiwo, what is Echejile still doing in this team? I can tell you that a gassed out Taiwo is presently better than Echejile go and watch his recent matches. If Echejile is still getting invited then there was no reason for Taiwo's omission.


Please do well to tell me any of our players that has 'pulled up' more trees than Ajagun in the past few years. You can decide to pick if you have more worthy persons which presently there is no one ahead of him in this hierarchy. Which other AMF/CMF did we invite? so that means the reason why Ajagun isn't there is because KC is there. I hate sounding like I don't want to see the boy there but due process has to be followed at all times.


Well the present matter here and now is that at Bratislava Rabiu is bossing it. he was also a starter for Trencin a few seasons ago, and in the match he played against Chad he played very well in the limited time, go and check again. By the way when he was representing Trencin, a run of games for the national team would have propelled him to a better career which is what I believe we are trying to do for KC now, so why does player A deserve better recognition than player B?

like i've always argued most of our arguments boils down to why is my average or below average player not considered instead of your or their average player. until nigeria starts producing enough standout talents playing in top european clubs we will never agree on why or how players were picked.

now to the cases you specifically mentioned taiye taiwo was a good servant of nigeria but we can't deny he already was on diminishing returns by the time he arrived in finland

ajagun yes he has never been called up but as a player truth be told he hasn't been pulling up trees anywhere he has played that said k.nwakali doesn't deserve to be called up yet. he hasn't done enough in my opinion.

rabiu ibrahim really? dude that couldn't cut it from portugal holland to scotland? dude that after multiple call ups to the national team could barely play 20 minutes? i'll just assume it was an oversight mentioning his name and you were joking.

ambrose i agree can still be called up but at the moment you know we have 3 decent CB in balogun, ekong and omeruo. coupled with rohr's preference for young players it's not so far fetched that he would call awaziem and semi ajayi looking to the future rather than calling efe to sit on the bench

Mickael2:
But are they....are they really all we have? Is it that we do not have any player playing in their position in a top league? Or we just decide to hinder under the umbrella of 'they are too old' and then invite other below par players? A player like Taye Taiwo was still in an active league few seasons ago but he was never invited, he was the top scorer of Kemi back then yet he wasn't invited and people here said it's because he is in a lo league, so which league now is higher between Bundesliga 3(the boy in question I believe just got promoted to Bundelisga 2 this season) and the Finnish league? I put it to you that if Taiwo got the invite he so merited back then he would still be playing professional football, I mean we invite players from Chinese and Saudi leagues but we rejected Taiwo's invitation because he was in Finland, what's the excuse?! Or didn't he distinguish himself before going to that Finnish league? Case number 1.

Case number 2, is Ajagun a ball boy in Belgium? Why settle for a midfielder who got kicked out of a dutch league team(VVVenlo), failed to make a substantial impact in dutch division 2 and is now wasting away in Porto B? He is young, 20, wouldn't it make more sense to use more seasoned professionals? When did the national team turn to a rookies' joint? Or hasn't Ajagun done enough to merit an invite? Or at 29, is he older than almost half of our team?(Mikel,Balogun, Ighalo and the rest) or is it that we do not have any need for a midfielder? when we can barely create chances through the middle in games. or is it that he hasn't shown his stuff? Is it not if you get invited that you can show what you have?


Case 3, still on our need for a midfielder, before KC gets a look in somebody like Rabiu Ibrahim should even get a look in. For those that do not know, Rabiu is a sure fixture for Slovan Bratislava, he has a position tied down even with a broken leg and the last time he played for Nigeria(I can't recall the game) he did very well yet he never got invited. Now Bratislava is one of the power houses in Slovakia and if I am correct they are in the Europa league or at least played the qualifiers is that not a bigger place than the LigaII in Portugal? Or is it that Rabiu is now an old man too? Or is that we don't like players from Slovakia? has he been invited enough to show his thing and he failed? How did he not at least merit an invite in that Atletico match and who is too he wouldn't have taken those academy boys on a ride? Let's be honest here, that match against Atletico makes no sense, any seasoned professional would have shone like a million stars in the game.


Case 4, Ramon Azeez. Is he now a Spanish player? OK let me not say much about him because he is more of a DMF than CMF and is not exactly in direct contest with KC or Jamiu or the other guy.

Case 5, Efe Ambrose. So a playing that struggled for game time in Cardiff last season is now better than one of the top players of a top 6 club in Scotland? I mean the talk is ridiculous.


All in a my point is we have better option, but it is either we are not looking hard enough or there are some backroom politics surrounding this list. I mean it makes no sense that guys are busy proving themselves everyday and yet they do not get invited. Onuachu tried so much but did he ever get an invite? Onyekuru is probably going to come to this match against Seychelles and sit on the bench, players that deserve the invitation are overlooked for other below par players.

they never disappoint especially mr ''emotive bias'' they make ufo conspiracy theorists look like learners

safarigirl:


Oshe conspiracy theorist. So, Jamilu and Semi are now camouflage abi? Rohr did not reason other people to use as camouflage, it is two relatively unknown players.

Lol, where did Vic Mo run to? Chelsea's bench or his couch at home? I'm sure Sarri is also a corrupt coach for not playing Moses regularly

You and Komekn should start a comedy club and become the main acts. Una go sell die

Nice one iwobi but both teams have terrible defenders especially almustapha

Icon4s:
Mathematical7 For Governor Ogun State.

I wish I could like this a million times then transform those likes into a million votes so he will become the next governor of ogun state

andrew444:
Did I tell you that diouf has achieved anything for Senegal ? I am not sure you quote the right person

I am telling you that okocha and diouf don't play in the same position so don't compare them okay.

What trophy did okocha win with the eagles ?

Please remind me and correct me if I am wrong in anyway

Thank you

you questioned me for comparing jj to do diouf excuse me when they give out apoty is it based on the positions a player plays for his team or how good he was because I don't understand the point you are trying to make

against egypt we were a goal up better defending we would have won the match. osaze was so bad we had to remove him before we scored against guinea. ask yourself why that is the case

osaze played against angola in kano which we drew. abi that is false too?

Mickael2:
Against Guinea no doubt we missed chances but we did score two goals and with a better GK we would have qualified. Please against Egypt didn't Moses miss chances too? I can remember two off the top of my head. Didn't he play but did we even manage a goal? Ask yourself that.

Nobody chased Osaze away from West Brom, the club didn't even want him to leave which was why he had to force a move, that tells you how valued he was at the club that they didn't want to let him go. Penalty taking isn't only about who does it best, seniority comes into play. I mean do you think Moses takes better penalties than Iheanacho? Abi you think Messi takes penalties better than Rakitic? Osaze played in a period with other top dogs, nobody was taking any penalty away from Yakubu.


Finally I can see you are just throwing around false stats, please how many games did Osaze play on the WCQ for 2006? He did not play the game we lost against Angola. it was towards the end of the tournament that he started getting game time as a sub

at least when moses was there we won afcon please remind me what trophy we won under osaze. moses missed most of our afcon qualifiers but no excuses we failed to qualify with him playing thrice. please remind me who was misses chances upandan against guinea when we failed to qualify for 2012 AFCON. isn't penalty taking a skill i hold osaze leg make e no take penalty

Lol west brom legend that they had to chase away from the club.

with vicmo we always qualified for world cup no guesses for who was one of the key players when we didn't qualify for 2006 world cup

Mickael2:
Well Lukaku has not won an EPL trophy now has he? Besides VicMo won the Epl and FA cup playing as a wingback, other than that he would have been on the bench. for the record when Odewingie finished as the highest goalscorer for WBA(twice by the way) they ended up 10 and 11th on the table, how is that relegation contenders? three positions up and they would have been on 7th going for the Europa league which is where VicMo will be playing this season. Or was it Stoke City that were relegation contenders? abi na Lille or Lokomotiv?


During that Osaze era everybody bar none alluded to the fact that Osaze performed better for the national team than he did for his club then. During that Osaze era he was not the primary penalty taker, take away Pks from MOSES, that would mean subtracting 4(Two against Ethiopia, one against Argentina and Poland) off the top of my head and that takes his total to what? Tell me the Pks Osaze played, if he was the primary penalty taker his records would have been way way higher than that.


Please, how is Sadiq a part of this conversation?

PS: Under the Osaze era we reached the last 16 of the world cup. Under VicMo's era we have failed to qualify for how many Afcons now? When Osaze was there you were sure of at least third spot in every AFCON, we were like Germany in Africa, now we can barely qualify. Osaze has more AFCON medals than Moses I hope you know?