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Jamiuokolaa:
In this setting, coaches are rarely spared - ETH would probably have been kicked out at the beginning of last season

It's is also noteworthy that our investments under ETH isn't too far off from what you would get in a Galatico setup

Yeah, with thay setup you need to bring in results or get the sack. Nothing like gradual build-up.

Galatico set up isn't about how much you spent. If that was the case, you'd call City a Galatico set up. It's about the calibre of players you bring in.

I'm not even saying it'll work. Just wondering what can work. The players we bring in that are supposed to take the next step end up not doing it. Instead their weaknesses get highlighted. So maybe bringing in the Kanes, Mbappes, Dejongs and co with a manager like Zidane is the solution.

Leyqute:
Literally 4 years ago. Guess which club is still behind

Liverpool and City weren't behind here lmao.

Leyqute:
So what is wrong with United? Why has it been a graveyard where talented players and decent managers come to flop?

I don't even understand. I believe most can't just handle the pressure. I think so far,only Bruno has played at an highest level for the longest time. Look at the same Bruno drafting apology letter every other week, there's no way it hasn't gotten into his head. It'll be difficult to get that groove back.

Ugarte is already labeled a flop after like 3 games. De ligt is labelled the new Maguire, Zirkzee? Lmao. Antony as terrible as he is now looked decent in his first few weeks.

This is why I wanted crazy rich owners. The only way around this is to sign Galaticos. That City/Liverpool method of gradually building will probably never work here.

engrelvis:
ln an attempt to make so call changes we sold some good players n replace them with mostly half baked ones. Bald fraud affinity for his exes n tribes men v finally put d nails in d coffin. To think l had such a high hope for dis idiota. Whenever our players loses d ball d laxity with which they stroll back even when opponents r running with d ball is alarming. That third goal was a classic example. Honestly v nt seen any improvement in Gnarcho. He cannot do decent one on one dribbling. Always running into defenders like Pius lkedia. Cannever convert his chances in front of goal. Cant really understand y Deligt was bought. Mcquire is far better than him.Dalot is just to run n leave wide space at d back.Marouzi n Martinez r only shinning light.Am too angry to even talk about Bruno since he has turn into karate champion

We didn't sell any 'good' player. All the players we sold, we've be shouting the club should get rid off for years.

Reason I don't take y'all serious when y'all call for the sale of Rashford and co. Once they score in their new club, we no go hear word.

Jamiuokolaa:
I think his actual abilities were overrated in the first place - baba take all those "Licha", "Butcher" nicknames from fans dey flatter to deceive.

Even during his "peak" periods, I am not sure he was even a guaranteed starter for Argentina.

From the look of things, na another "failed Ajax project" that would probably not give us the desired performance levels.

Deligt is another Ajax project currently on Fraud watch. So far, I haven't seen how he is an upgrade on Maguire and Evans. Apparently, he wasn't good enough at Juve and I think Ordinary Dier was benching him at Bayern at some point. Last time I also checked, e be like say na perpetual benchwarmer at his national team..

Above assessments like these are constant reminders that Bin laden's judgement is horrible and outright poor. The less said about other failures like Antony, Mount, Wehgorst, Amrabat etc, the better.

Bar De jong, he has been provided with all the "realistic tools" he requested for ..to the tune of about 500m...yet it seems there is always the need to start rebuilding again.

Smh

Lol no. He left Juve because Bayern was interested. And Jive were also looking to cut their wages. They also let Ronaldo go.

Also De Ligt had Injuries last season but still has similar game time to Dier and co. So I think that getting benched thing is totally not true. But I admit he's been super underwhelming so far.

There are some things that need to be discussed but everything is presently about Ten Hag in or out. For example, has Martinez always been this slow or it's a recent thing due to an injury?

Ellexy:
Maguire equalized and started celebrating. Which kind useless team be this eh.... Even Porto players and manager looked extremely disappointed with the draw....

It's a late equalizer na. Why won't he celebrate. Una sef.

You'd think Porto na Molde or something.

Jamiuokolaa:
You were the one who clearly laid emphasis on style of play - Patrick was more of good results being synonymous with a clear and distinct pattern of play...

You have clearly told us that it's too early to talk about results so I ask again - are you satisfied with the style of play in this game?

Let's even forget that we have given away a two goal lead even before halftime

What're you on about? Stop bringing up false narratives. I never said results don't matter. Even the part I mentioned results, it was about the two mangers in their honeymoon period. But I guess you've got to stick to your false sh*t.

Also go back and read conversations. The exchanges was about a style of play. Reason he mentioned Pep in his first season, which started the whole convo today. Just rest with twisting my words abeg.

Leyqute:
You for wait make match finish before doing yanga.

Na so ETH dey put you inside trouble.

Honestly, so disappointing.

Jamiuokolaa:
Haha

No be you use your hand type the bolded?

Nawa o. Next time read well and understand context. We were talking about style of play and how quickly flick and maresca were able to implement that. He brought in Motta with a winning run and that was what I countered. Reason I also said it was too early as they're all on their honeymoon period. Even Lampard had his.

I never said results doesn't matter. Especially as regards to Ten Hag.

Jamiuokolaa:
Rest?

I thought you said results don't matter?

Are you happy with the way Porto are bossing us around?

When did I ever say that? Results don't matter ke.

Away game at Porto, two goals up but still looking for negatives. Some of you are far gone.

Edit. 😳😳

Lmao say na Porto. Everybody go rest now.

Leyqute:
You’re fighting a losing battle.

ETH is out of his depth at United. The shoes are too big for him. In fact, he doesn’t know what he’s doing anymore at this point.

Watch today’s game and see if we can match Porto’s co-ordination, awareness and output.

The players have their own fault too but if the coach is handing them useless orders and ineffective game plans, there’s little they can do.

Well, we'll be back here in 2 hours. Let's see as everything unfolds.

Before people start quoting me to troll, not saying we'll definitely win. Porto away is a vey difficult fixture.

afrodoc2:
If we like we can beat Villa and go on 4 match winning streak, water will still find its level. We would just be postponing the inevitable.

You can't give what you don't have.

No, it just gets things back on track. Prior to the match against Twente, there were promising signs that we were starting to build towards something. And after those 2 games, it's now a game of survival. It's only fair that winning the next 2 tough fixtures get you back on track.

NinjaMetahuman:
Can we all beg Aston Villa for a draw?

Lol you think villa will beat us? It's games likes this that you expect total drubbing that we'll actually turn up.

We beat them on their turf at our very worst.

patrickmuf:
ChristoBam was daring Flick to go and coach Juventus.

Anybody that watch Bologna last season will know that Motta is a very progressive coach. Na we just decide to remain with scam while Bin Laden boys were on about how no one out there was better. The same summer that Liverpool, Juventus, Napoli, Bayern, Chelsea and Barcelona hired new managers. If it was possible for only Christo and The worst writer to suffer the pains of watching Bin Laden's United.

Thiago Motta and Hansi flick are 2 different managers.

Flick has a definite style of play totally different from what Juve is used to. How quickly will he be able to implement the stye of play while getting the results also? That's the point.

You seem to be focused on results. Too early for that.

patrickmuf:
What you have just done is drop excuses either way...If Maresca and Flick's team fail to meet the expectations as the season progresses, you will be quick to say you called it earlier but if they go on to do great things you'll point to the excuse you put up there.

Bin Laden has spent over £550m over 3 seasons, does it not count for something? Barca that buy players and can't register them unless they sell is the team that was stable before Flick came in abi? The same Barca that had to push Gundogan out of the club just so they can register Olmo is the one you are painting in golden pictures like one team that was at the top before Flick took over...

You will be quick to share reasons why other coaches are doing well but you remain blind to the things Bin Laden has going for him. You think Flick, Xavi, Maresca and Co won't like to coach a team where they have the resources to get the players of their choice?

I called what earlier? Never made any predictions about how they'd perform. It's even too early for these talks about their performance.

What I was talking about is quick implementation of style of play. What has inability to really buy players got to do with that. The players there prior to Flick's arrival played the stye perfectly. Even won the league 2 years prior to his arrival playing the style.

If Ten Hag made the move to Bayern/Barca directly from Ajax, I'm almost certain he'd have become a success there. Situations at various clubs differ. These are not excuses. These are facts that everyone ignores cuz they're emotional and just hate the struggle.

patrickmuf:
Have you watched any Chelsea game of late?

Maresca is not making excuses neither is any Chelsea fan making excuses for him, he is working with what he met on ground. I think it's only Sancho that is new in their line up, he came in and immediately decided to offload players he didn't need or froze them out of the team because he knows what he wants. James is out injured, he is their best defender. Lavia is injured too after an impressive start but still he is working with the players available and doing well so far.

How about Flick at Barcelona who is doing wonders with kids? FDJ only returned to the bench after being absent for months now, Araujo is out injured, Olmo is injured, Fermin is injured as is Christensen, Bernal, Gavi and Ter Stegen yet Barcelona fans are still going into each match day expecting to win, no excuses even when you can easily make up one for Flick.

You think Pep will settle for less because Rodri, KDB and Ake are out injured? He will find a way to win regardless.

That we do not have an established pattern of play after 2 full seasons here is an indictment on ETH whether or not you admit it. In Pep's first season at City, we all could see what he wanted to do even though the personnel let him down most times but with ETH, there's no glimpse of the kind of football he wants to play. He simply is not good enough or the pressure of coaching a top team and in a high pressure environment got the better of him.

As to your first points, why don't y'all just chill a bit before throwing in new managers in their honeymoon period.


As for your 2nd point, just like Pep we saw how Ten Hag wanted to play from the first 3 games. But it ended as a disaster cuz the team was not suited for that. Pep met great technical players like David Silva and KDB and was able to build something from that. Prior to that City also played attacking football. The transition was easy.

Look at Chelsea, they've had good possession based/attacking managers from Potter to Poch now to Maresca. Maresca found the transition easier. Who found it most rough among them? Potter. Why? He took over from tuchel. The transition was difficult. This is a fact everyone loves to ignore.

Or is Flick also supposed to find it difficult taking over from Xavi at Barca? I dare these guys to take over Athletico or Juve.

nitrogen:
I talk am. You ‘totally’ believe he’ll turn it around. Wow! Do you know that we have not played ‘Tenhag ball’ since he got here? And he’s signed lots of his type of players. What else does he need? Give him a new stadium?

Don't let us start this cycle of repeating arguments from last season. We all know how the first 2 seasons evolved.

First season, he played whatever just to survive. Second season we had crazy Injuries. This season is the first we'd say we have to see a style of play or he leaves.

I always consider every argument from Ten Hag outers from bad decision making to naive set up and all. But that 'established style of play in his 3rd season' is pure nonsense to me.

The strict establishment of a style of play started in GW 1 of this season. If by December I don't see an obvious implementation then I can't back him. Cuz for the first time we now have a settled environment for him to build whatever. Unlike the first 2 seasons.

nitrogen:
You are wasting your time. We said these things right from ETH’s first season. Some people will still find ways to defend ETH. E.g Christobam and Mark Goldbridge.

I don't defend blindly. That game against Tottenham was awful and still don't understand what happened. Few more games like that and I'd be done with any manager no matter who it is.

I totally believe he'll turn it around though. Games against Aston villa as Porto are tough fixtures. No better way to prove to the owners he's still the guy for the job.

obonujoker:
Casemiro is worn out.

However instead of fans to blame Erik 7 Hang, that played Casemiro, they are attacking the tired kegs Casemiro.

Probably that's why his wife put that post as a reminder

So who do you suggest we should have started instead of Casemiro?

patrickmuf:
Garnacho should be competing with Rashford for the LWF position. For the RWF position, it should be Amad and Antony.

EBL is not a good coach, Rashford should be under pressure to deliver knowing that he has Garnacho on the bench to take over his starting berth while Amad should know that Antony is ever ready to step in should he perform poorly. Thus far, Bin Laden has managed to make Rashford look untouchable with his stupid decision to keep playing Garnacho from the right. You can see the effort Amad puts in because he knows he has Garnacho and Antony competing for his spot, it should be the case with Rashford on the other side but Bin Laden is just Bin Laden.

Let me just make it clear that as much as Antony has been a disappointment, let him be given opportunities during the last 20 - 30 mins of the second half to impress, if he does excellently, he should bench Amad. Let all the players compete for a starting berth. There was a season where Mourinho had Rashford and Martial fighting for the LWF position and both were at the top of their game cos they didn't want to sit on the bench.

I mostly agree with you. That's the reason I said Amad should be starting like 10 straight games. He's the only one that's not gotten the chance the others have. After one or two underwhelming performances, he's always back on the bench.

But again, it was only like 4 competitive games ago that Rashford and Garnacho balled against City. So there's that.

patrickmuf:
Rashford again played 90 minutes when he was one of the worst players on the pitch.

Play Garnacho and Amad on either wing. As soon as Amad came on, Liverpool started double-marking him. That's him taking out an extra player because of his directness. Imagine if we had Garnacho running at TAA and Amad doing the same on the right wing. Liverpool would have been more cautious in their approach, but no, Rashford must start. Erik Bin Laden is a useless coach.

Funny thing is Rashford was mediocre(totally agree) but created 2 chances. Garnacho was absolutely useless today but no one talks about that. He literally did nothing.

Name and agenda aside, anyone that looked at the performance today and was trying to use hindsight to criticize the lineup would say Rashford and Amad on both wings should be starting.

Need to emphasize again, Rashford was awful, but Garnacho was totally anonymous. So no one should quote me emphasizing how useless Rashford was while skimming through Garnacho's performance.

Amad should be starting like 10 straight games though

ChristoBam:
Y'all will just keep dragging people into unnecessary convos.

If the players could actually play the style, would we have embarrassing losses that would then lead to the fear of total negative reaction from the fanbase.

Yeah, Ten Hag thew away everything in the first season because of he sensed the fanbase would turn on him after multiple losses if he continued that way. What lead to the losses and what made us to start winning when we switched to counter football?


No be everytime una go dey find inconsistencies. Everything still follows the same thread of occurrences.

This post is not related to today's game. Need to say before people start quoting me endlessly. We obviously shouldn't be losing embarrassingly at home to Liverpool.

Jamiuokolaa:
When would these flippant excuses come to an end and you accept the obvious fact that Bin Laden is a clueless and useless manager?

Oh it's now the fault of the drab players that Bin Laden bought by himself - it's no longer the fault of the fanbase again like you claimed below

Y'all will just keep dragging people into unnecessary convos.

If the players could actually play the style, would we have embarrassing losses that would then lead to the fear of total negative reaction from the fanbase.

Yeah, Ten Hag thew away everything in the first season because of he sensed the fanbase would turn on him after multiple losses if he continued that way. What lead to the losses and what made us to start winning when we switched to counter football?


No be everytime una go dey find inconsistencies. Everything still follows the same thread of occurrences.

We're still at this position every single time because of the drab available as players. Even the establishment of a style of play that got shelved by Game week 4 in Ten Hag's first season is because of this.


I won't absolve Ten Hag of blames cuz we saw Casemiro do this nonsense again and again last season. He was supposed to be a goner after that Crystal palace game last season. He doesn't fit into anything you want to do. So why not be ruthless with him like you've been with others in the past. He has to take the blame and learn from it.


This is the beginning of a new era under inneos. The target this season is clear and achievable. No need for all these emotional outbursts so early. I understand it's painful and all. But hopefully, leniency with some player's stop now.

I just truly hope Rashford and Garnacho are not planning to serve us haram this season. Bruno too has been rubbish in all 3 games. Maino is somehow slower in possession and faster in tackles this season. Hope all these ends after the international break.

maik99:
Those guys are clowns bro
You’d be less agitated if you made peace with this fact
They can’t wait to sack ETH and have RVN replace him, like they won’t sack that one too if he can’t start dominating after six months😂

If Ten Hag gets sacked today and RVN gets the job, these guys will all say we need to give him time to rebuild the team. All of them will say it.

But let us hit one rough patch and all of those thoughts will vanish. That's when they'll remember PSV players had issues with RVN tactics before he left the club. Sebi Ten Hag stil has good history of management to rely on.

odizeey:
Ranieri was sacked nine months after winning the EPL. So I don't see what you are babbling about.

Arsenal are superb, no doubt. But they have no expectations.
The only expectation Arsenal fans have is to top the table before December and drop from it by March.


Link to where you belong: https://www.nairaland.com/810639/arsenal-fans-thread-finally-reborn

Your perception about the expectations of Arsenal says a lot about how short sighted y'all and all these other guys are when it comes to these things. I see Arsenal as a club with a solid core still rebuilding that will dominate foe years when they hit their peak. Just look at their structure and age of all their top players.

odizeey:
"If that's the way Arsenal operated..." Una don see am?

Long-term project. When do you think fans should start demanding results from this long term project?

Let's continue being silly and pretend Arsenal is not a really superb team rn cuz I no even understand. Say na 'Una don see am'.

If they ask why dem no rate arsenal, they'll say it's because of they're not winning trophies. The one wey dey win am for here una was chase am, no matter the exuse of Injuries and all. Lmao.

odizeey:
Taking a closer glance, it's supposed to make sense to you. Because that's the level you want us to be. Zero expectations. Aston Villa level. God pass you. I know who you are.

I want us to be patient with one manager and build a formidable team with the manager.

Not jump from one exciting manager to another, only to shout 'bla bla bla OUT!' when they go through a bad period.

odizeey:
When I said you pick people's post and come up with arguments in your head I was not lying.

Have you seen anyone on this thread calling for the sack of Ten Hag because he could not win the UCL or at least get to the Semi?

Must our expectations be the same as Madrid?

Bro this is where you should be for zero expectations: ====>>> https://www.nairaland.com/810639/arsenal-fans-thread-finally-reborn

Lmao, again and again.

Madrid recruit the best player in the world. And it's gotten to a point that even losing out of the UCL is looked at badly. The expectations match the level of the team.

You can't use that as a metric to shit on anyone.

Madrid way of doing things is clear. They don't accept excuses. You either meet the expectations of winning the biggest trophies get the sack. That's their way.

A team trying to rebuild like United, recruiting so many relatively unknown players can't and won't operate like that. If that's the way Arsenal operated, Arteta would be gone in like his 2nd year. You can try to sh*t on Arsenal all you want but we can actually see what they're building.

**Madrid brings in a manager and brings in the best players in the world and expect instant results. They have fixed expectations.

** We want to bring in the right manager, have him build a well drilled system, and have good players flourish in the system. That's a long term project that usually has hiccups in the beginning.

odizeey:
Aston villa that went to UCL has Bellingham and Camavinga. Hehehe. When I thought you had upped your game, you disappointed me. And I was using you as an example to one of your disciples the other day.

How does this even make sense?

We're talking about how we can't compare Madrid to United. Expectations and everything. You dey talk Aston villa kinikan😹. Make I no even talk wetin dey my mind.