obonujoker:


Casemiro is worn out.

However instead of fans to blame Erik 7 Hang, that played Casemiro, they are attacking the tired kegs Casemiro.

Probably that's why his wife put that post as a reminder

So who do you suggest we should have started instead of Casemiro?

patrickmuf:
Garnacho should be competing with Rashford for the LWF position. For the RWF position, it should be Amad and Antony.

EBL is not a good coach, Rashford should be under pressure to deliver knowing that he has Garnacho on the bench to take over his starting berth while Amad should know that Antony is ever ready to step in should he perform poorly. Thus far, Bin Laden has managed to make Rashford look untouchable with his stupid decision to keep playing Garnacho from the right. You can see the effort Amad puts in because he knows he has Garnacho and Antony competing for his spot, it should be the case with Rashford on the other side but Bin Laden is just Bin Laden.

Let me just make it clear that as much as Antony has been a disappointment, let him be given opportunities during the last 20 - 30 mins of the second half to impress, if he does excellently, he should bench Amad. Let all the players compete for a starting berth. There was a season where Mourinho had Rashford and Martial fighting for the LWF position and both were at the top of their game cos they didn't want to sit on the bench.

I mostly agree with you. That's the reason I said Amad should be starting like 10 straight games. He's the only one that's not gotten the chance the others have. After one or two underwhelming performances, he's always back on the bench.

But again, it was only like 4 competitive games ago that Rashford and Garnacho balled against City. So there's that.

patrickmuf:
Rashford again played 90 minutes when he was one of the worst players on the pitch.

Play Garnacho and Amad on either wing. As soon as Amad came on, Liverpool started double-marking him. That's him taking out an extra player because of his directness. Imagine if we had Garnacho running at TAA and Amad doing the same on the right wing. Liverpool would have been more cautious in their approach, but no, Rashford must start. Erik Bin Laden is a useless coach.

Funny thing is Rashford was mediocre(totally agree) but created 2 chances. Garnacho was absolutely useless today but no one talks about that. He literally did nothing.

Name and agenda aside, anyone that looked at the performance today and was trying to use hindsight to criticize the lineup would say Rashford and Amad on both wings should be starting.

Need to emphasize again, Rashford was awful, but Garnacho was totally anonymous. So no one should quote me emphasizing how useless Rashford was while skimming through Garnacho's performance.

Amad should be starting like 10 straight games though

ChristoBam:

Y'all will just keep dragging people into unnecessary convos.

If the players could actually play the style, would we have embarrassing losses that would then lead to the fear of total negative reaction from the fanbase.

Yeah, Ten Hag thew away everything in the first season because of he sensed the fanbase would turn on him after multiple losses if he continued that way. What lead to the losses and what made us to start winning when we switched to counter football?


No be everytime una go dey find inconsistencies. Everything still follows the same thread of occurrences.

This post is not related to today's game. Need to say before people start quoting me endlessly. We obviously shouldn't be losing embarrassingly at home to Liverpool.

Jamiuokolaa:


When would these flippant excuses come to an end and you accept the obvious fact that Bin Laden is a clueless and useless manager?

Oh it's now the fault of the drab players that Bin Laden bought by himself - it's no longer the fault of the fanbase again like you claimed below

Y'all will just keep dragging people into unnecessary convos.

If the players could actually play the style, would we have embarrassing losses that would then lead to the fear of total negative reaction from the fanbase.

Yeah, Ten Hag thew away everything in the first season because of he sensed the fanbase would turn on him after multiple losses if he continued that way. What lead to the losses and what made us to start winning when we switched to counter football?


No be everytime una go dey find inconsistencies. Everything still follows the same thread of occurrences.

We're still at this position every single time because of the drab available as players. Even the establishment of a style of play that got shelved by Game week 4 in Ten Hag's first season is because of this.


I won't absolve Ten Hag of blames cuz we saw Casemiro do this nonsense again and again last season. He was supposed to be a goner after that Crystal palace game last season. He doesn't fit into anything you want to do. So why not be ruthless with him like you've been with others in the past. He has to take the blame and learn from it.


This is the beginning of a new era under inneos. The target this season is clear and achievable. No need for all these emotional outbursts so early. I understand it's painful and all. But hopefully, leniency with some player's stop now.

I just truly hope Rashford and Garnacho are not planning to serve us haram this season. Bruno too has been rubbish in all 3 games. Maino is somehow slower in possession and faster in tackles this season. Hope all these ends after the international break.

maik99:


Those guys are clowns bro
You’d be less agitated if you made peace with this fact
They can’t wait to sack ETH and have RVN replace him, like they won’t sack that one too if he can’t start dominating after six months😂

If Ten Hag gets sacked today and RVN gets the job, these guys will all say we need to give him time to rebuild the team. All of them will say it.

But let us hit one rough patch and all of those thoughts will vanish. That's when they'll remember PSV players had issues with RVN tactics before he left the club. Sebi Ten Hag stil has good history of management to rely on.

odizeey:

Ranieri was sacked nine months after winning the EPL. So I don't see what you are babbling about.

Arsenal are superb, no doubt. But they have no expectations.
The only expectation Arsenal fans have is to top the table before December and drop from it by March.


Link to where you belong: https://www.nairaland.com/810639/arsenal-fans-thread-finally-reborn

Your perception about the expectations of Arsenal says a lot about how short sighted y'all and all these other guys are when it comes to these things. I see Arsenal as a club with a solid core still rebuilding that will dominate foe years when they hit their peak. Just look at their structure and age of all their top players.

odizeey:


"If that's the way Arsenal operated..." Una don see am?

Long-term project. When do you think fans should start demanding results from this long term project?

Let's continue being silly and pretend Arsenal is not a really superb team rn cuz I no even understand. Say na 'Una don see am'.

If they ask why dem no rate arsenal, they'll say it's because of they're not winning trophies. The one wey dey win am for here una was chase am, no matter the exuse of Injuries and all. Lmao.

odizeey:


Taking a closer glance, it's supposed to make sense to you. Because that's the level you want us to be. Zero expectations. Aston Villa level. God pass you. I know who you are.

I want us to be patient with one manager and build a formidable team with the manager.

Not jump from one exciting manager to another, only to shout 'bla bla bla OUT!' when they go through a bad period.

odizeey:


When I said you pick people's post and come up with arguments in your head I was not lying.

Have you seen anyone on this thread calling for the sack of Ten Hag because he could not win the UCL or at least get to the Semi?

Must our expectations be the same as Madrid?

Bro this is where you should be for zero expectations: ====>>> https://www.nairaland.com/810639/arsenal-fans-thread-finally-reborn

Lmao, again and again.

Madrid recruit the best player in the world. And it's gotten to a point that even losing out of the UCL is looked at badly. The expectations match the level of the team.

You can't use that as a metric to shit on anyone.

Madrid way of doing things is clear. They don't accept excuses. You either meet the expectations of winning the biggest trophies get the sack. That's their way.

A team trying to rebuild like United, recruiting so many relatively unknown players can't and won't operate like that. If that's the way Arsenal operated, Arteta would be gone in like his 2nd year. You can try to sh*t on Arsenal all you want but we can actually see what they're building.

**Madrid brings in a manager and brings in the best players in the world and expect instant results. They have fixed expectations.

** We want to bring in the right manager, have him build a well drilled system, and have good players flourish in the system. That's a long term project that usually has hiccups in the beginning.

odizeey:
Aston villa that went to UCL has Bellingham and Camavinga. Hehehe. When I thought you had upped your game, you disappointed me. And I was using you as an example to one of your disciples the other day.

How does this even make sense?

We're talking about how we can't compare Madrid to United. Expectations and everything. You dey talk Aston villa kinikan😹. Make I no even talk wetin dey my mind.

StarchAndBanga:


Delusion at it's peak

Lmao so Ten Hag won't win the trophies at Madrid?

Y'll can't just see past your hatred for whoever is at the hot seat at the moment at the club.

You'd think Ten Hag is a rookie that's never won anything in his life the way y'all talk about him on here.

odizeey:


You are known for twisting statements, and making arguments from your head.

Why won't I compare with Madrid.
We are the best team in England. Madrid is the best in Spain.

Was it not the same Madrid we snatched Yoro from?

Do you know how big a club will be that players will want to go there even while playing in Europa? That's how big we are.

I shouldn't even be arguing with you because you don't even know the status of the club you are supporting. Maybe you are an arsenal fan.
This is the link to your thread: https://www.nairaland.com/810639/arsenal-fans-thread-finally-reborn

Lmao na this delusion no let any of us rest for here.

Una on this thread sometimes ehhn. In one breathe y'all are talking about how we massively overpaid to sign Yoro, in another breathe, we won a battle against Madrid for Yoro(Means we're the same level). Totally ignoring any context lmao.

Madrid aren't pressed for a CB, they made the minimum take or leave it bid. Hoping to get him for free. Yoro delayed for weeks and decided to sign for United when the writing on the wall became obvious.

If the delusion you're in was a reality, we'd have Bruno, Camavinga and Bellingham in our midfield. It's pure delusional talks, that's why we have to build a well drilled system that makes up for all of that.

Ten Hag can literally set up that Madrid team like he set up Man Utd in his first season and win everything. That's facts.

odizeey:


The bolded statement dey vex me. Because Mount was the choice candidate of your darling Ten Hag. The clown is even wearing our number 7. 55m would have gotten you a decent player. But you chased mount all summer long.

Saying I should not draw comparison to Madrid. Go to your thread where expectations are low. https://www.nairaland.com/810639/arsenal-fans-thread-finally-reborn

Anyone unbiased mind with a brain that's watched our games so far would see the role Mount's meant to play in the team. There's a huge difference between the 1st and 2md half at Brighton. It's only unfortunately guy's been riddled with injuries.

My point with going for players like Mount, Casemiro and co as against going for players like Bellingham, Mbappe and co is as clear as anything. The expectations directly match.

What we want to do at United is build a system and structure. Even average players thrive in good systems. Players like Ugarte, Zirkzee, Yoro and co are risks that'll pay off in a well structured team.

At Madrid you don't need all of that special sh*t. This thing is simple.

odizeey:


Conveniently removing Bruno and Pogba to suit agenda. Same coach that brought in Mount as a key signing. Don't make me laugh. Or someone who wasted the whole summer transfer window trying to get De Jong, only to end up falling back to Casemiro.

See, the structure is here now, in the coaching crew, and management. So there is no excuse for him not to deliver.

You're not even making sense. Pogba?

Don't forget we're making comparisons to Madrid. Madrid won't go for a Mount? Why? They'd go for the best available. The likes of Bellingham.

I'm not here to argue with you about United's structure and what not. We've done that enough last season. Just don't try to draw comparisons between us and Madrid to push one silly agenda.

patrickmuf:
Ole got the job because the team was struggling and not because the fan base was critical of Mourinho; if Ole's team hadn't shown good potential, he wouldn't have landed the job permanently. It has nothing to do with whatever the fans or legends said, it was the most logical decision then to hand him the job permanently.

If at the end of the season, we don't make the top 4 and have a strong run in one of the cup competitions we're competing for, Erik ten Hag will be shown the door and that will be down to the poor performance of the team and not what the fans or legends of the club say.

In case you don't know, Madrid's fan base is even more impatient; Modric was labelled a flop, and they have booed even some of their greatest players when they're not performing or when they misyarn. This has not stopped them from winning; the standards there are so high. I make bold to say that at United or Liverpool or any other English club, Bellingham won't be putting in so much effort, but because he knows that at Madrid it's either you step up or get butted out, he has to work very hard to keep his place in the team.

You get my point about Ole but just wan drag talk. Ole was given the job as an interim. The most logical thing was to wait till the end of the season to give him the permanent job. But everyone was shouting give him the job now! It was the most logical thing to give him the job at the point they gave him? Lmao.


My point about Madrid is so simple. The pressure and expectations are high. But they match the talents available at the club. I don't believe I need to write another epistle to explain how different this is for United in comparison to Madrid.

Oasis007:


Ronaldo actually was the end of OGS. We got Sancho and we were already salivating how trio of Sancho, Rashy/Martial and Greenwood would be terrorising, mesmerising the opponents - boom! We signed Ronaldo that must be fit-in at all costs.

OGS would forever regret saying yes to Ronaldo signing, even though he had no choice as well.

Lmao we all said it then, and we looked like pure haters.

The season before Ronaldo came was so crazy. Our forwards on transition, Jesus! And then Ronaldo came into the equation......

Don't even know who to blame. I don't even blame Woodward and co. Were we going to allow Ronaldo move to our rivals?

odizeey:


It's only Man United coaches that impatience of fans affects.

Why doesn't it affect Madrid coaches?

We are in our rough patch. But the fans job is not to be patient.

Lmao I laugh when anyone throws in Madrid in any conversation.

A United manager meets players like Mctominay, Fred, VDB and co and try to build something from there. You know the equivalent at Madrid?

The marque signings that were brought in to push us to title contenders were literally Madrid leftovers lmao.

If Madrid sees a hole in their right wing that desperately need filling, they'll go for Saka. If the hole's at CB, they'll go for Saliba.


At Madrid, there's literally no excuse. You have the best players, you should be winning things. Simple! Everyone understands this. The coach, the players, the fans.

patrickmuf:
The same fan base that couldn't make LVG change his style or Mourinho to stop playing cowardly football? Is the fan base really that powerful?

We were all about getting back to glory days then. So no one cared about style of play. And immediately results started going left, everyone turned.

So yeah, the fanbase is powerful. We saw the horrible football wasn't even going to come with the trophies we want and everyone said nahhh. There's a reason Ole got the job after.

maik99:


Since it is his 3rd season, we must play better than teams that have been settled for years, and must win the league too

Like I don't understand. It's that type of impatience from the fanbase that made Ten Hag throw away style of play after that loss to Brentford in his first season.

The fanbase is huge, most so impatient; So many United legends are pundits now and those ones don't waste time to draw conclusions and judgements. That's how they keep their jobs. A rebuild will be so difficult at this club.

Jamiuokolaa:


Early days?

After how many seasons?

You can forget about any gradual build up of system and style of play and shout Ten Hag out whenever you don't see beautiful football with great results every match. And let's see what that does for you. Cuz I don't understand anymore.

We all saw how the first 2 seasons were. Anyone without any agenda will agree this is the season to start building things up. Everything's in place now. So all these '3rd year' talk dey muzz me.

Maino should also stop thinking he can beat 2 players in a dangerous position every single time.

TrebleChamp:
Our playing style has indeed improved and we keep the ball better compared to last season, bald fraud is getting help from his new coaching crew in this area. Hope they also help him with his selection and substitution going forward.
How he doesn't see that the team need a proper 9 i don't know, Zirkzee on the pitch is more of a false 9 than a proper one..

Damn, I thought I'd come into this thread and see lamentations without anyone pointing out the obvious. You're absolutely right.


You can clearly see the way we want to play. The pressing, short passes, the build up from the back. It's so clear. Though it might look a bit laborious now, it's still early days.

We really should've won but luck wasn't on our side. We'll lose some games like this, this season. It's expected. The target is top 4.

Nigerian and their usual emotional bullsh*t. Their major enemy that literally called them whores last night got evicted and they celebrated in their faces. What's wrong with that.

The one that said they commit incest sleeping with the same guy didn't go far?

Joezinho:


Hahahaha. Are you familiar with eba?😅😅

Lmao is this Eba or bread?

Jamiuokolaa:


The double standards is the issue here...

The previous administration was castigated for these same things that are currently being complained about...

If na last season, Mourtough's head would currently be on a spike for "approving" that Yoro transfer

The irony is that we keep using Madrid as the standard of how we should be, yet that same Madrid walked away from the Yoro deal for obvious reasons - that price is ridiculous and outrageous for an unknown 18yr old with just one year left on his contract

Our performance in the transfer window has been giving some dejavu vibes so far - I never see any difference between the current proceedings and what panned out in the immediate past TWs and we all know who the common denominator is

When season starts properly, further assessment would be done though..

Are you people going to react the same way every time we pay huge transfer fees for a player, no matter the context?

There are so many wrong things in your post. You said Madrid walked away and tried to use that to criticize the way we went about the transfer. Forgetting that we're not in the same situation. We're trying to fill huge holes in the team. They're buying for the future. They have the luxury, we don't.

How can this be giving you dejavu vibes when we've completed 4 transfers just before the beginning of the season without too much fuss.

Ratcliffe and co won't walk away from a player they truly believe in because they're trying to make one silly point lmao.

Imagine we need a goalkeeper and Inneos are about splash 72m on a relatively unknown goalkeeper from Roma, there'll be so much tears online. That's how you miss out on an Allison.

spillo1:

We massively overpaid for a player with one year left on his contract. We are paying 52million fixed and only 6million in add ons. Where are you getting your information from?

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/articles/c7209jxjn45o

Like I said, based on different factors, you decide to pay high for a player and walk away from others. That's how it works.

And that one year one contract sh*t means nothing cuz we couldn't have gotten him for free next year.

spillo1:

So spending close to 60million on a new goalkeeper was worth it? Did Onana make any difference to our defense last season. De gea is gone. No need arguing over that issue again..

Lmao you even added an extra 10m for agenda.

When won't we spend on a new goalkeeper? Should've stuck to Degea till eternity then.

spillo1:

De gea was ready to take a massive pay cut.

At that point the massve paycut from 400k plus would still be massive. E no worth am at all.

Jamiuokolaa:


Haha

Even after hiring the "best" DoF and TD out there??

I bin think say these kind things go don stop o

At least that's what we were told

If you apply that method in every transfer, we'll end up missing out on many top players. We've not yielded on our valuation of Ugarte and De Ligt. But we paid a large sum for Yoro.

So many factors are considered before deciding who we'll splash the cash on and who we're ready to lose out on.

Mrviktor:


Buying yoro for 3x what Madrid wanted to pay.

Dey didn't even say let's do x2 or x2½

We aren't ready aje

We paid what was enough to get him abeg.

And a lot of the fee is in ad-ons.