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numo86:
@chuxup, dont   assume   you   are   saved  o ,,
It is only those that have endured to the end that will & can be saved, we are all striving to make sure we are awake when d end hits, until then na probation we dey ooo, lol,
My pick on this hip hop/rap thing is that if hip hop had a worldly start why not just leave it to d world, if heavy metal rock/rock had its origin from demonism & d world why not leave what belongs to d world and cling to what belongs to God?,
1 truth i know & i'v noticed in this world is that as far as satan is still alive,God does nt have any dealing with him, while God can change individuals,God does not approve of his servants adopting what is worldly & expectin it to be christianised, no matter how professed christians try to mix christianity & rap it never changes what d genre of song has always been & what it portrays, d christian rappers as i'v seen stil have to wear some big chains on there necks & there gestures still end up being d same with d worldly rappers,
I just hope they dont do tattoo's as well,
Another thing i'v noticed is that d recent churches had to adopt these genre's of songs to d church in order to gather more members, because many wuld be enticed by hearin rap with a religious under tone or hearin a christianised rock music, and that strategy has realy worked,but will definitly have an after effect, how?, u wuld be havin many members who were drawn to church just becos of music not becos they want to obey Gods word & commands, and because of these recent trend of in-coperating hip hop & all kinds of genre of songs into christianity d churches hav started sounding like disco houses & clubs, 1 cant tell d differnce btw d house of God & a party house, in d past places of worship used to be serene but now its so noisy & trendy,
Well i'm not here to judge,but d more we keep seperate from d world as christians d more we can better serve God in spirit & truth and also keep ourselves spotless from d world,

The thing is, we all had a worldly start. We were't exactly born with a bible in our hand. You guys need to understand that the major problem with rap music is the lyrics; are you rapping about God or rapping about drugs, money, etc? Saying we shouldn't have christian rap because rap had a worldly start is like saying we shouldn't have christian movies because most movies showcase sin; sex, drugs, nudity, etc.

Btw, have you guys actually listened to any of the artists I mentioned inthe original post? I've heard more solid theology from some of those artists than a lot of preachers in the pulpit.

Tattoos? I don't think there's anything wrong with tattoos. The scripture in Leviticus 19:23 that people use to condemn tattoos is taken out of context. That scripture is condemning those who make cuts, marks or tattoos on their bodies for the dead.

JeSoul:
Chusxp there is nothing wrong with Christian hiphop, infact it tends to have more substance - lyricwise - compared to the usual "gospel music" out there these days. Everyone is certainly entitled to their opinion, but to insist their opinion carries more weight than the countless christians who are spreading the word of God through this medium is a darn shame. I know and have met some world famous gospel rappers/artists - these guys & gals are the real deal, who have incredible stories of faith & sacrifice, solid in the faith - just listen to the words in their music. Only for some who've never met or listened to them to swiftly judge them as evil.

Those who insist they are "of the devil" are truly misguided . . . these are generally the same people who will defend to the end corrupt mogs & mega pastors who fleece the flock in the name of Christ. This is not to say there aren't carnal/worldly elements/people in christian Hiphop, there are . . . but just like there are also carnal/worldly elements/people in other arms/genres of gospel music/preaching etc. I'm sorta/kinda partway in the music industry as well. If you need suggestions on some nice artists I can hook you up jare. Don't mind all these people jor my brother .

Well said. Agreed!

diluminati:
An attempt to bastardize rap into gospel is a fool's journey and a ridicule. why? coz rap wasnt meant to be godly. it started out as the voice of the streets and it will be that way. What happened to 'Seperate yourselves from the World'?

Which passage of scripture says rap wasn't meant to be godly? Can't God redeem rap like He did us and a lot of other evil stuffs?

I believe God gave man the creativity to make rap & hip hop music, then satan corrupted it like he does most things in this world. Then people started promoting sin through rap songs. But now we're seeing God raise men and women who desire to glorify Him through rap and hip hop. I've heard testimonies of people who became believers after listening to Christian rap and hip hop songs. Isn't it worth it. I, personally, was encouraged to hold on to Jesus through listening to Christian rap and hip hop during my early walk with God. Before I was saved, I loved worldly rap. After I got saved I stop listening to them because their lyrics were full of sinful stuff. Then few months later I found out about christian rap. Rather than promoting sex, money, pride, etc, they praised God and encouraged people to live holy lives.

I mean, the first movie ever produced probably wasn't a christian movie.

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Sweetnecta:
@Chucksxp: « #29 on: Today at 02:42:15 PM »Please remember the simile when you answer the below.

So explain to me if the simile is not in play when the word is said to have become God and the word is God. Are there not more than 1 God in this case, if the word is truly God, rather than spoken by God?
Finally, if the SPIRIT of God descended like a dove, what is the spirit of God really, if it not simply a simile like word of God being a double edged sword, or hammer, or fire, etc or became flesh? Is there anytime the "word of God became flesh and word of God is double edged sword or hammer or fire or others in the etc happen to be present at the same time? If there was, what happened to the word of God really, if the word of God is actually God? Will you not have more than 1 God and even more than 1 word of God?

What is a simile? A simile is only present where there is LIKE or AS. In John 1:1, it doesn't say the Word has become LIKE God. It says the Word is God.

And if you read Jeremiah 23:29 where it talks about fire and hammer, it says “Is not my word LIKE fire,” declares the LORD, “and LIKE a hammer that breaks a rock in pieces?"

It doesn't say the word is God is a hammer or fire. It says it is like. That's like me saying a banana is like a plantain.

We can see the LIKE there. As for the double edged sword, sorry for my earlier post. I just read Hebrews 4:12 again. It doesn't say God's word is a double edged sword. Rather it says God's word is sharper than a double edged sword.

The bible says ", he saw the Spirit of God descending LIKE a dove." It doesn't say the Holy Spirit is a dove. It says He descended LIKE a dove. That's called simile.

Just because the Holy Spirit may have taken the form of a dove doesn't mean He's a dove. For example, there're several places we see the word of God being referred to as a double edged sword, hammer, fire, etc It doesn't mean the word is actually a physical hammer or sword, etc.

diluminati:
Adherence to these Laws have caused dissension among billions of Christians worldwide.

Adherence to these Laws have caused the rise of many denominations and doctrines, many strange ones

Adherence to these Laws have caused the rise of too many Fraudstar Pastors

Adherence to these Laws have caused many wars, too many infightings, corruption, too many sin. Too many lewdness in the chruch

Adherence to these Laws have produced too many hypocrites. Too many ignorant wolves in sheeps clothing

You only need common sense to know that.

So you're advocating lawlessness?

Hello guys,

Do you have any idea of where I could get worship music albums by Hillsong. Specially these albums:

Mighty To Save
United We Stand
This is Our God
Saviour King
Faith, Hope, Love

Thanks for the help.

numo86:
@judek, from ur analogy,becos i know the bible i hold will never think this way(lol),you are saying that a dove is equal to the God i worshipi thought d holy spirit was a real person, abi
Why is it appearing as a dove then later sometime as fire, d only time d holy spirit had to appear bodily it came as a dove,
Are those qualities of a real person, ur explanation to what happened to Jesus on d day of his baptism just doesnt click with d bible, Jesus himself wuldnt give that explanation, that passage does not support trinity 1 bit, rather it counters the trinity dogma clearly,

Sorry, but Judek's post makes perfect sense.

diluminati:
christian rap/hiphop, and gospel music today is one of the hallmarks of christian hypocrisy.

Please, why do you say so?

@OP,

Great article. I pray we all will accept and keep that in mind.

LOL. Ok

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=865564.msg10154562#msg10154562 date=1328744079]Prosperity has many definitions, or contexts.

Godliness with contentment is great gain, and at the same time the bible says its God's will that we prosper even as our souls prosper.

Personally, if my being rich entails doings things that go against my convictions, then i simply dont have the drive to pursue such "riches" further.[/quote]Agreed!

I mean foreign Christian rap and Hip Hop songs, from folks like Lecrae, Trip Lee, Thisl, Bizzle, KB, Canton Jones, Da Truth, Flame, etc

Deep Sight:
^^^ What about all the verses in the OP here - - - ?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-344297.0.html

Anyway, it don't matter. Just love God and love fellow man. If you cant love God, or don't believe in God, just love fellow man. That will be ok.

In other words, it doesn't matter what we believe, as long as we're sincere, right?

Sorry, but that goes contrary to what God's word says.

1 John 2:22 - Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Messiah. Such a person is the antichrist—denying the Father and the Son.

Amen!

Romans 7:12 - So then, the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, righteous and good.

Joagbaje:
Psalms 35:27
. . .Let the Lord be magnified, which hath pleasure in the prosperity of his servant.

So why wasn't Paul prosperous?

"To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless." - Paul (1 Corinthians 4:11)

Judek2:
Isaiah 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel.

The prophesies described him as a sign of God. Through the virgin birth, he was Begotten. Begotten means being as one of the same being Or kind.

mattew 1:23"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel"--which means, "God with us."

God dwelt with us in flesh. He made his Word flesh. So, men shall hear his voice not from the prophets,or by thunder storms,weirly wind of from the clouds, But directly as he promised Moses,and other prophets.

God is a spirit, no eye can see him in his spiritual form. But he made himself manifested in flesh.


[Isaiah 9:6] For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

This prophesy shows a clear evidence of Christ being the Mighty God and the everlasting father.
When he was begotten through the holy Spirit, he took a human form, then existed as a human being, separeted from the spirit as a seperate Person, but the oneness still in tact.
Remember,Jesus said, "I and my Father are one". I am in my father,and my father is in me"

Matthew 3:16, 17 - As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water.At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased."

So, when he was being baptized, he quickly transformed into the spirit and descended upon Himself. Then transformed into the father and said to himself "This is my son, "

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This is perhaps one of the most debated topic among Christians. Since we're saved by faith alone and are no longer under the law, should we disregard the law? Did the Apostles obey the law? Since Jesus fulfilled the law, do we still need it? We can argue back and forth, but the best place to get the answer is by going to God's word.

Most people who say the we should disregard the law often cite passages from Apostle Paul. They emphasized that Jesus has fulfilled the law and that Paul made it clear in Ephesians 2:8 that we're saved by grace through faith, not of works. While it is true that we're saved by grace alone through faith, and that we're no longer to observe the sacrificial laws and ceremonial laws, God still commands us to obey the moral laws and the Ten Commandments.

That's why Paul noted in Romans 3:31 - Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Jesus said in John 14:15 - If you love me, keep my commands.

Even Paul obeyed God's laws as seen below:

Acts 21:20-24 - Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that[i] you yourself are living in obedience to the law[/i].

newmi:
There is no record that Jesus was with the Father or in heaven prior to His first advent, rather what we find is that in the biginning it The Father, The Spirit and the Word and it is significant that we understand this but you see these lexemes; God, Holy Spirit, and The Word all are not names but a discription of personalities but like we read in John 1 where "The WORD" BECOME flesh note not "JESUS" BECAME FLESH because there was no Jesus as at yet "JESUS" only existed in prophecy. The angel Gabriel appeared and spoke these words to the virgin Mary (Luke 1:31)
"And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS"
Now 1 Timothy 3:16
"And without controversy great is the
mystery of godliness: God was manifest
in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of
angels, preached unto the Gentiles,
believed on in the world, received up
into glory"
Isn't amazingly explicit that GOD WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH and bear in what we read in John 1 the Word who is God was made flesh now this "GOD THAT WAS MANIFESTED IN THE FLESH WAS NOW GIVEN A NAME ACCORDING TO PROPHECIES AND MORE RECENTLY FROM THE ANGEL NOT THAT HE ALREADY HAD THE NAME OR EXISTED AS A PERSON SEPRATE FROM THE FATHER REMEMBER TRINITY IN LIKE MANNER YOU CANNOT SEPARATE YOUR SPIRIT, SOUL QND BODY AS FAR AS THIS REALITY IS CONCERN, ANYONE WHO SEES YOU IN THE FLESH WOULD BE CRAZY TO REQUEST TO SEE YOUR SPIRIT OR SOUL SEPARATELY.

Honestly speaking, I don't know what the purpose of this thread is.

Anyway, you're right, there's no record of Jesus being with the Father. But that's because His name wasn't always Jesus. His name has always been the WORD.

He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the WORD of God. - Revelation 19:13

In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God,  - John 1:1

He was given the name Jesus when He became a man.

Btw, are you oneness pentecostal?

Just as a human being is a tripartite being; he is a SPIRIT, he has a SOUL, and he lives in a BODY, likewise there is one God with three distinct personalities. One God in three persons. Think of a table; it is a single table but yet has length, height, and width. Think of water; it is made up of oxygen and hydrogen.

Anyway, here are some scriptures to consider:

John 20:28
Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!”


Matthew 28:17
When they saw him, they worshiped him;…

Hebrews 1:8
But about the Son he says, "Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever;,

Revelation 22:13
I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End. (Jesus was speaking here)

Titus 2:13
While we wait for the blessed hope—the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ,

John 1:1,14
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God, The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us,

Colossians 1:17
He (Jesus) is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

John 5:18,23
For this reason they tried all the more to kill him;, he was even calling God his own Father, making himself equal with God, that all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father.

John 8:58
“Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!”

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Hello,

You should continue to verse 14. It says the son of man shall have an everlasting dominion. It's obvious the son of man is Jesus Christ.

Btw, if you don't mind, could tell me which part of the Trinity you find hard to grasp. There're many scriptures supporting Jesus' divinity and the Trinity. The term Trinity may not be in the Bible. Even the term 'Bible' is not in the Bible.

Honestly, the best answer I've seen here was the one by koyedemi.

On a different note, I'd like to stress that though we're not saved by obeying the law, we are still saved to obey the law.

Romans 3:31 - Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

@numo86

Jesus was with His Father.

I would recommend listening to more worship songs, especially the likes of Hillsong, Jesus Culture, Doen Moen, etc. And I'd also recommend listening to MP3 sermons. And of course keep asking God to help you in this area. God bless

"if God has destined it that you will become RICH, and you fail to reposition yourself or key in to the divine blueprint from heaven, then it means, your life will be a disappointment to God."

I love the "IF" there. I agree there're some that God's will for them here on earth is to be rich, but I also agree that for some, God's will for them here on earth is to be poor. It's not that God wants to withhold good things from us, it's just that he knows riches so easily distracts a lot of people. The most important thing to God is our spiritual prosperity, not material prosperity. The problem I have with the prosperity teaching is that it says God's will for all believers is to be rich materially. Scripture does not advocate this. Throughout scripture we see both rich and poor believers. God made some rich: Abraham, David, Solomon, Joseph of Arimathea, etc. And God made some poor: Paul, Lazarus, the poor widow who gave an offering,, etc.

Money itself is not the problem. The problem is that we still live in this flesh which so easily falls into temptation when we open the door for the devil. A lot of times we think we're strong and we can handle wealth. The spirit may be willing but the flesh is weak. That's why Jesus warned extensively about money, and Paul said those who desire to be rich fall into all kinds of temptations.

So why isn't Apostle Paul's name on Forbes list? And what's your view on Paul's testimonies of himself?

1 Corinthians 4:11 - "To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless."

2 Corinthians 11:27 - "I have labored and toiled and have often gone without sleep; I have known hunger and thirst and have often gone without food; I have been cold and naked."

A truly timely message indeed! Thanks bro! May God help us all to not treat His mercy like cheap merchandise.

Hello fellow Nairalanders,

I've never really posted in this section, but after going through a couple of posts I think I may need to start posting from time to time. And I pray you all would be blessed by all I have to say.

First off, I'd like to throw some light on a very popular topic which has led to countless debates and arguments; does God want us to be rich?

I've said it a couple of times and will keep saying it; God doesn't want us to be rich neither does He want us to be poor. The bible makes it clear that God's will is for us to be CONTENT with whatever He gives us. If we actually believed that God is in control and all things are working together for the good of those who love God, we would be a lot more content with what God has given us than trying to make things go the way we want it. The Bible says ALL THINGS work together for our good. And this ALL THINGS could include prosperity and poverty, health and sickness. Nevertheless, God's will is for us to be content.

Yet true godliness with contentment is itself great wealth. - 1 Timothy 6:6

I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being CONTENT in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. - Philippians 4:12

Keep your lives free from the love of money and be CONTENT with what you have,  - Hebrews 13:5a

God's greatest desire for us is that we be conformed into the image of His Son, Jesus Christ; and He will do that whether through prosperity or poverty. When we look through the New Testament we will find that there's actually no single promise of material prosperity for believers here on earth. Most scriptures used by prosperity advocates are usually taken out of context. In fact, Jesus wasn't rich, neither was Paul nor any of the Apostles. We do see Paul's testimony in 1 Corinthians 4:11 - "To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless."

I would even go farther to say that scripture does warn us that those who chase after money do easily fall into temptation.

For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. - 1 Timothy 6:7-9

, people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. - 1 Timothy 6:5

Jesus did come to give us the abundant life, as He said in John 10:10. But He was quick to stress that this abundant life has nothing to do with material possessions. Thus in Luke 12:15, He stated, ", life does not consist in an abundance of possessions." - Luke 12:15b . So what kind of life is the abundant life? It is Eternal Life. What is Eternal Life? He defines it in John 17:3 - "Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

My point is all of these is that we should focus on seeking Jesus. He may or may not bless us materially. Let's be content. I'm not just telling you guys this; I'm also telling myself because I too struggle in this area. God bless.

Hello fellow Nairalanders,

I've never really posted in this section, but after going through a couple of posts I think I may need to start posting from time to time. And I pray you all would be blessed by all I have to say.

First off, I'd like to throw some light on a very popular topic which has led to countless debates and arguments; does God want us to be rich?

I've said it a couple of times and will keep saying it; God doesn't want us to be rich neither does He want us to be poor. The bible makes it clear that God's will is for us to be CONTENT with whatever He gives us. If we actually believed that God is in control and all things are working together for the good of those who love God, we would be a lot more content with what God has given us than trying to make things go the way we want it. The Bible says ALL THINGS work together for our good. And this ALL THINGS could include prosperity and poverty, health and sickness. Nevertheless, God's will is for us to be content.

Yet true godliness with contentment is itself great wealth. - 1 Timothy 6:6

I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being CONTENT in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want. - Philippians 4:12

Keep your lives free from the love of money and be CONTENT with what you have, - Hebrews 13:5a

God's greatest desire for us is that we be conformed into the image of His Son, Jesus Christ; and He will do that whether through prosperity or poverty. When we look through the New Testament we will find that there's actually no single promise of material prosperity for believers here on earth. Most scriptures used by prosperity advocates are usually taken out of context. In fact, Jesus wasn't rich, neither was Paul nor any of the Apostles. We do see Paul's testimony in 1 Corinthians 4:11 - "To this very hour we go hungry and thirsty, we are in rags, we are brutally treated, we are homeless."

I would even go farther to say that scripture does warn us that those who chase after money do easily fall into temptation.

For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But if we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. Those who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction. - 1 Timothy 6:7-9

, people of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. - 1 Timothy 6:5

Jesus did come to give us the abundant life, as He said in John 10:10. But He was quick to stress that this abundant life has nothing to do with material possessions. Thus in Luke 12:15, He stated, ", life does not consist in an abundance of possessions." - Luke 12:15b . So what kind of life is the abundant life? It is Eternal Life. What is Eternal Life? He defines it in John 17:3 - "Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent."

My point is all of these is that we should focus on seeking Jesus. He may or may not bless us materially. Let's be content. I'm not just telling you guys this; I'm also telling myself because I too struggle in this area. God bless.

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