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Those kinds of misinformation are specifically crafted for a certain group of people. They know not everyone will believe it. But they know who will believe it and by the time the truth is mainstream, it won’t matter any longer . They already got what they wanted from the class of people who they targeted with the misinformation in the first place

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Ibime:
It's actually been proven wrong and even published by the DSS last year. I'm telling you my first instincts as a finance person cos I deal with stuff like this daily. If your first instinct was to believe him, then you are a low IQ person.

He knows it was wrong and could have quickly checked why it was such, but his brief is not to do the right thing, it's more expedient for him to win votes by lying, hence he published something that was blatantly false.

And since he has published, he must deliver the savings his lie suggests.

Ibime:
The DOGE thing is just political opportunism and sensationalism to make political capital out of the norms of US spending for decades. Most of it is sensationalism to win voters just like Elon shouting about 130 year old people on National database

To make you think Democrats are stealing money and win your vote eternally

At the end of the year, we would just judge the growth or decline in deficit, National spending and Social Security spending to judge the truth or otherwise of the matter

Men lie, women lie, numbers dont

Sounds like there has already been investigations going as far back as 2015 to cull waste and fraud in these systems already. They weren’t loud or sensational about it. I’ve heard of people who went to jail or had to give up their houses (depending on how big the fraud) for social security and Medicare/medicaid fraud. Doctors lose their licenses for those govt insurance frauds and go to jail on top of it.

It’s always been a thing to investigate shady people and companies who fleece the system (unless they’re billionaires of course). The difference is that it took time, through a proper investigation, by qualified experts and each detail was gone over by a fine tooth comb.

These fools think if they make enough noise and misrepresent issues, they can convince reasonable people that they’re finding unprecedented fraud that no one had ever looked into before.

Like you said, they better have the savings to show for it at the end of the year.

basilico:
On another topic , you have been saying Trump wants to ban IVF while in reality he wants Americans to have more babies

'PROMISES KEPT': The order expands access to in vitro fertilization (ivf) and other fertility treatments through the reduction of out-of-pocket costs as ivf has become unaffordable for many Americans.


As I said earlier Hope you have the mental strength when reality about Trump hits you

Abortion ≠ IVF.

Take your meds pls or don’t talk about what you don’t know

bemeruca:
Elon s

Right. Except that in this your imaginary techtopia that you’re salivating about, you would probably be used as biofuel. Because according to the man who your idols seem to be influenced by, that’s what unproductive people are good for. You’re not even a half decent yahoo boy. I don’t know how much coding you can learn to make yourself useful to them. Don’t get too excited.


Look at the depraved mindsets of the people your idols associate and want to model the society after

In 2008, a software developer in San Francisco named Curtis Yarvin, writing under a pseudonym, proposed a horrific solution for people he deemed “not productive”: “convert them into biodiesel, which can help power the Muni buses.”


Yarvin, a self-described reactionary and extremist who was 35 years old at the time, clarified that he was “just kidding.” But then he continued, “The trouble with the biodiesel solution is that no one would want to live in a city whose public transportation was fueled, even just partly, by the distilled remains of its late underclass. However, it helps us describe the problem we are trying to solve. Our goal, in short, is a humane alternative to genocide.”

He then concluded that the “best humane alternative to genocide” is to “virtualize” these people: Imprison them in “permanent solitary confinement” where, to avoid making them insane, they would be connected to an “immersive virtual-reality interface” so they could “experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world.”

Yarvin’s disturbing manifestos have earned him influential followers, chief among them: tech billionaire Peter Thiel and his onetime Silicon Valley protégé Senator J.D. Vance, whom the Republican Party just nominated to be Donald Trump’s vice president.

Trump’s first campaign was undoubtedly a watershed moment for authoritarianism in American politics, but some thinkers on the right had been laying the groundwork for years, hoping for someone to mainstream their ideas. Yarvin was one of them. Way back in 2012, in a speech on “How to Reboot the US Government,” he said, “If Americans want to change their government, they’re going to have to get over their dictator phobia.” He had also written favorably of slavery and white nationalists in the late 2000s (though he has stated that he is not a white nationalist himself).


Both Thiel and Vance are friends of Yarvin. In The Contrarian: Peter Thiel and Silicon Valley’s Pursuit of Power, reporter Max Chafkin describes Yarvin as the “house political philosopher” of the “Thielverse,” a term for the people in Thiel’s orbit. In 2013, Thiel invested in Tlön, a software startup co-founded by Yarvin. In 2016, Yarvin attended Thiel’s election night party in San Francisco where, according to Chafkin, champagne flowed once it became clear that Thiel’s investment in Donald Trump would pay off.

Since entering politics, Vance has publicly praised—and parroted—Yarvin’s ideas. That was worrying enough when Vance was only a senator. Now that he could soon be a heartbeat away from the presidency, his close ties to Yarvin are more alarming than ever. Superficial analyses of why certain tech billionaires are aligning with Trump tend to fixate on issues like taxes and regulations, but that’s only part of the story. Tech plutocrats like Thiel and Elon Musk already have money. Now they want power—as much as money can buy.

Stories about Vance tend to focus on his hardscrabble Ohio roots, but his relationship with Thiel—and his stint in San Francisco—are key to understanding his politics. Vance owes his meteoric rise to Thiel, who largely bankrolled it. As a Yale Law student in 2011, he heard Thiel give a speech in which he suggested that smart people should be working in tech instead of wasting their time at elite schools. Afterward, Vance emailed Thiel, who invited him to California.

When Vance ran for U.S. Senate in 2022, Thiel spent an unprecedented $15 million on the campaign and persuaded Trump to endorse him (Vance had previously compared Trump to Hitler). In 2024, Thiel led the charge to convince Trump to pick Vance as V.P.

Vance is a Thiel creation. And like his billionaire benefactor—who once wrote, “I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible”—Vance embraces a radical ideology hell-bent on destroying government as we know it. And they got these ideas, at least in part, from Yarvin.

Yarvin is the chief thinker behind an obscure but increasingly influential far-right neoreaction, or NRx, movement, that some call the “Dark Enlightenment.” Among other things, it openly promotes dictatorships as superior to democracies and views nations like the United States as outdated software systems. Yarvin seeks to reengineer governments by breaking them up into smaller entities called “patchworks,” which would be controlled by tech corporations.


Each patchwork would be ruled by a “realm”: a corporation with absolute power. Citizens would be free to move, but every other realm would also be ruled by corporate governments with chilling impunity. For example, Yarvin says the tech overlords of the San Francisco realm could arbitrarily decide to cut off its citizens’ hands with no fear of legal consequences—because they’re a sovereign power, beholden to no federal government or laws.

Vance has not advocated for realms—yet—but some of his most extreme ideas echo Yarvin. They’re both fond of political purges,

He predicted Trump would run again and win, then offered some advice: “I think that what Trump should do, if I was giving him one piece of advice: Fire every single midlevel bureaucrat, every civil servant in the administrative state, replace them with our people.” He added that Trump should defy any court orders that tried to halt this partisan purge of the civil service.

Yarvin calls this plan RAGE: Retire All Government Employees. It’s captured perfectly in Project 2025, the Heritage Foundation’s blueprint for a second Trump administration, which calls for firing an estimated 500,000 federal employees and dismantling entire agencies. If Trump wins, Vance may well be in charge of executing the plan.


Vance did not get this extremist ideology from his Appalachian upbringing or—needless to say—Yale Law. It was incubated in America’s tech capital, San Francisco, where he forged crucial ties with Thiel, Yarvin, and David Sacks, the longtime Thiel associate and pro-Putin crusader who recently hosted a Trump fundraiser at his mansion in Pacific Heights. And if Vance ends up in the White House, it will be with $45 million in monthly campaign contributions from Musk, who already made a $44 billion in-kind contribution by gutting San Francisco-based Twitter and transforming it into a right-wing misinformation weapon.

And it’s not just that the propaganda is good, it’s that many of us absolutely overestimated the mental capacity of half of this country.

When you listen to some of the things they say, you actually want to slap yourself for not picking up on the fact that the light has been on but no one’s been home for a lot of them.

IjeBos:
They are really saying they will get $8,000 checks?
Lol. That's good propaganda though.

Absolutely right, you can't trust that people will get it together by 2027.
I think Dems have to acknowledge Republican propaganda is very good.
And I don't think they are ready to engage they way they need to.
Haven't seen any sign of it yet, granted it is still early.

bemeruca:
Learn to code. the Illegals are not picking the grapes, go and pick it.

I’ve read about mindfvcked tech-minion hopefuls who are salivating for a technocracy where they serve one tech lord and the only jobs that exist are tech jobs where they code a solution to every problem in the world. And that’s why their first response to everything is “learn to code”. I had an inclination that you were one such mindless minion. Thanks for confirming it.

basilico:
Nah, I predict people like you will face loss of self confidence in a few months time. You will question why you believed fairy tales from the criminal democrats. I trust that you are emotionally mature to handle the realization that they been doing g a number on you.

Take your meds pls 🤣

Android17:
No single bird flu anywhere. Nobody bought the bs.

They may later try again with climate flu or some other sh!t. These niccurs is ridiculous.

That must be why they’re scrambling to get them back. To fight the nonexistent bird flu

The U.S. Department of Agriculture said in a statement reported by NBC News it mistakingly fired “several” employees assigned to the federal response against the H5N1 bird flu virus, noting it will be “working to swiftly rectify” the firings of the frontline public safety positions monitoring the spreading illness.

Konkoja:
They can never be embarrassed - NEVER! They are knowingly or unknowingly (at best) in a cult with all basic human reasoning suspended.
A Congress woman has now proposed Trump's birthday as a national holiday. This is the reality of MAGA!

Well I’m embarrassed for them 😑😑

Yes bird flu has been going on hence the rise in cost of eggs last year. Instead of republicans to use their sense, they used it as political fodder to rile up their base and claim they’re running to fix the cost of eggs. So yes they should be prepared for people to give them the same energy they gave.

It’s almost like we all know that science doesn’t produce results overnight. So instead of Trump to build on what’s already available, he’s dismantling the foundation of what he’s supposed to build on. Like he did during Covid.

Threw away our pandemic handbook and disbanded the team that’s supposed to help nip things in the bud. It got out of control because he refused to use foundations that were already available to help deal with these issues. And he’s doing it again.

descarado:
Birdflu has been on since last year. Almost one yr.
Do the math, sweetie.
He will import eggs into America to cushion the effect of 1 year bird flu or better import 2 months old millions of layers to balance the equation.
Or he can subsidise it.

Biden also said he will not pardon his son. He did the opposite.
Was he just talking as usual?

I always use Nigeria as reference point. Tomorrow,a new president during manifesto will tell us he will make Nigeria great. He enters office and saw what is bigger than him,he has to start somewhere. The most important. When you get the root,others will automatically adjust.

There are alternatives to egg if they are costly, we have so many. If Biden is still in power after slaughtering millions of chicken and egg price soared, I bet none of you guys will say anything.
Nobody will die in America if they don't eat egg.


Besides,the money that will be used to import these eggs and layers is what they are saving. Win win for everybody.

descarado:
Is there actually bird flu?

I checked it out, it has been ongoing since last April yet, someone is blaming trump for not doing anything. Almost one year.
Everything is politics.
Black man. We will learn the usual hard way.

I beg you to actually look at real information before blindly supporting Trump .
What does being black have to do with any of this?
Not only is Trump not doing anything to help, he’s making it worse. His mass layoffs have affected the pandemic staff working tirelessly to keep this virus under control.
Now things have taken a turn for the worse, they’re scrambling to rehire them. Because they thoughtlessly fired people who are essential to the country in the name of cutting fraud.

In what world does any of this make sense to any of you? Are we in a twilight zone here?

Laboratories in a national network of 58 facilities responding to the spread of bird flu were notified Friday that 25 percent of the staff in a central program office coordinating their work was fired in the Trump administration’s mass layoffs of federal employees.

USDA’s National Animal Health Laboratory Network program office has a staff of only 14 people, but it plays a major role in responding to animal disease outbreaks. It’s responsible for data management, ensuring that labs across the country are conducting the same tests and following similar protocols to accurately and effectively track animal diseases.

The labs that make up the American Association of Veterinary Laboratory Diagnosticians were informed that testing and other responses to the H5N1 outbreak would be slower after the layoff, said Keith Poulsen, director of the Wisconsin Veterinary Diagnostic Laboratory.

IjeBos:
I gotta admit, the propaganda and lies Elon is pushing out is effective.
It doesn't matter if it gets corrected or called out a day later, a lot of people already have heard it.
Not sure how the Dems will counter it, but need to find a way.

Well republicans are on the internet (in their typical believe anything they hear pattern) spreading the news that they’re going to get $8,000 refunds from all the money Elon is saving for them 😃.

Maybe when they don’t get it, that will wake them up? Idk. Those of them regretting their votes all over the internet could be said to be on the verge of a breakthrough but you can’t trust that they won’t chose their hate in favor of communal wellbeing next time.

How can Democrats counter the misinformation to the rest of them?

How do you counter misinformation to someone who believed Trump when he said Elon is the head of DOGE and then turned around to say Elon isn’t a part of it. And said person doesn’t have any questions or concerns but goes along with it?

Is there any sign of a functioning human brain in that equation? They’re are long gone. Mentally compromised.
You just have to wait for the disease to run its course.

descarado:
Somebody that took office on January 20th.
Barely a month

Or you want to argue for argument sake.

If Biden has money to send to Ukraine at the 11th hour, he should equally have money for the farmers he slaughtered their chicken at 11th hour too.

Following that common sense logic, he was stupid to say he could change things on day one then wasn’t he? Just as long as we are choosing when to be objective and when to abandon reason.

Because if I’m supporting a politician who says he will bring down the cost of things on day one, I would’ve questioned how exactly he plans to do it. With a magic wand?

If he got in and started writing executive orders on day one to bring down prices and prevent price gouging, I’d probably try to forgive him for the gaffe and wait for the effects of his orders to take place.

But no, his first executive orders have nothing to do with improving the cost of things. Instead he’s making people jobless and increasing the cost of living worse than it already is.

Maybe at best we can conclude he’s just talking as usual without any idea what he’s talking about.

IjeBos:
This thread is going to shit.
Too many nutters posting nutter misinformation.
It's starting to read like a Twitter feed.

That’s the kind of environment they thrive in unfortunately.

bemeruca:
Perfect answer

loonies like you cry regardless of what he does.

Yep we’re supposed to be clapping for him as he’s rendering hundreds of thousands of Americans jobless from a position that he may or may not occupy under the authority that the white house said he doesn’t have.

But he probably does have since he’s the head but also not a part of department. Are You picking up on how dense you guys are ?

People like you will be studied in years to come. Because this level of brainlessness has never been seen before.

basilico:
He is the head , his role is advisory.
You should read a book called Government Inspector by Nikolai Gogol .Or watch the play .
Today auditors don't come into an org to catch thieves . They analyse systems, procedures and policies vs a best practices benchmark. They will catch fraud because they sample a good number of transactions but that's not their main reason. Experienced auditors can smell fraud from across the Atlantic. . Their report will usually lead to a forensic audit.
Elon and his group are auditing. At the end of the day , data doesn't lie.Theirs is essentially a forensic audit.

You people sold shame and your souls for the defense of this Buffoon.

One minutes he’s part of DOGE. The next minute he’s not. He’s just advising. The next second he’s the head.

Anything Trump changes the tune to is what goes. The cuckery. EuGH.

Trump was just asked to clarify Elon’s position at DOGE since a White House official said Elon isn’t an employee of and doesn’t have authority to make any decisions at DOGE. He said

“Elon is to me a patriot. You can call him an employee, a consultant or you can call him whatever you want “

You guys are not embarrassed yet?

You’re making too much sense we can’t have that.

They already blamed Biden for the cost of eggs. And claimed they voted against him because of eggs and gas. So why are we suddenly given Trump grace because bird flu is happening. If they weren’t stinking hypocrites they would’ve recognized that the same bird flu limitations affected the price of eggs when Biden was president. But that wouldn’t fit the propaganda.

Now I’m wondering why we aren’t celebrating the day one reversal of prices Trump claimed he would achieve? Instead it’s gotten exponentially worse because of diarrhea mouth. Sounds like talk is cheap after all.

grandstar:
This isn't the first time the US has suffered from bird flu, buy this is the first time prices have risen so high!

Eggs are extremely critical in the American pastry industry and others. It isn't something to be taken lightly.

What steps as Trump taken to bring prices down or help consumers? None.

Why not encourage the importation of eggs until US hen sticks recover? Think outside the box. He can't because he doesn't even think.

basilico:
DOGE is playing an advisory . Elon is not being paid, initially he tweeted he needed volunteers with a high IQ and skills before the inaugration.
But DOGE is a fully established body with it's own staff and mandated to look into govt IT systems . It's just USDS rebranded and repurposed to catch and prevent waste.
That's my understanding,.

So Elon has nothing to do with it?

This is another one of those “his words don’t really mean what he’s saying except when it’s convenient for us” situations, isn’t it?

How do you people sleep at night? 🤣

I am pleased to announce that the Great Elon Musk, working in conjunction with American Patriot Vivek Ramaswamy, will lead the Department of Government Efficiency," Trump said in December 2024. Since then, and following Ramaswamy's departure from DOGE, he has routinely referred to Musk its leader.

descarado:
In Nigeria, we have problem with fake drugs.
Can we say because Nigerian customs make so much money from import duties and all the chains involved, we should encourage fake drug importation?

It is a menace in our society irrespective of how much the fed make every year.

Again I didn’t say we should encourage illegal immigration. not sure the reason for that analogy.

I’m simply pointing out that your post about how much money they cost is a none reason. If they’re giving way money than they cost, then they are not costing money when the books are balanced. So remove the cost from the reason why you are mad about them because that’s a non reason.

Now if we want to talk about the possibility of an illegal immigrants being a runaway terrorist evading law from another country, then we could be on the same page. Just don’t say I said what I didn’t say.

Obrigardo:
What a bunch of fools.
Now humor me. Let Nazi elon and his deranged minions take all these to a grand jury.

Do it now. Convene a grand jury, you stupid piece of shit. But nahhh, y'all are just noise makers muddying the waters.

They can’t. Because they and those who believe them are dumb. Ask them if there’s one qualified forensic accountant on their team.


Any expense their brain doesn’t understand is a waste. Then after spreading the lie, they come back to say they made a mistake and we should expect lies from them (Elons words).

Yet this resident Malu is still echoing them like they’re true.

basilico:
Who didn't know that, maybe you. He is recommending actions not issuing any orders. Do you live in America.
He recommends DHS to fire , then Noem fires. Rocket science

Oh really you knew all along that Elon wasn’t an employee of DOGE?
So what was this?

"I am pleased to announce that the Great Elon Musk, working in conjunction with American Patriot Vivek Ramaswamy, will lead the Department of Government Efficiency," Trump said in December 2024. Since then, and following Ramaswamy's departure from DOGE, he has routinely referred to Musk its leader.

was he just moonlighting around the department? And the president was just tossing his name around for fun.

You people are capable of incredible goals shifting and lying capacity. If that were an Olympic sport, all of you would be household names.

Mentally unhinged my gosh🥴🥴

descarado:
So because they paid taxes, countries should open doors for them?
Haba.

Undocumented immigrants are also paying tax in Nigeria.

I didn’t say countries should open their doors to illegal immigration. I’m personally against illegal immigration and I wouldn’t advise anyone to go that route.

But if you are stunned by the huge figure that is spent on them, I felt it was only proper for you to be aware of the huge figures they contribute as well.

For example they pay into social security that legal citizens retire on and they’ll never be eligible to collect. In fact our govt borrows money from that pot to fund projects when they claim the govt is too broke. So financially, they are a net positive.

I’m against illegal immigration for other reasons outside of whatever money they are supposedly costing us.

basilico:
Learn to extrapolate.A state going the extra mile to spend more on medical health means the medical professionals are better renumerated.

Since you got your degree and know everything

Explain to the class what’s bad in a state that takes care of its poor residents and professionals alike?

I won’t hold my breath for a meaningful response

blowjohn:
Oh he has...... So many times

I question your ability to judge character

I wonder when he’s ever shown himself as a sensible person to warrant your support

blowjohn:
As a Trump supporter, I don't like this piece of news

BloomingDale:
It’s all Nigerian men that practice this devilish act on we women. There is no differentiation. The South East and South West men are the most terrible. I don’t hear a lot about it in South South but probably they also practice it. You Nigerian men are killers and murderers of Nigerian women and children.

Apex predators

And when they are caught they try to shift blame to the specific culprits tribe or religion. As if there’s any tribe or religion in which the men are not harming their women

RealLordZeus:

Your sense of humor is 100

With Trump anything is possible.

maasoap:
It is far from that. Just shitty administration, just that

It’s always far from that until it happens.

If the midair collision didn’t happen after he laid of FAA staff, people would’ve said it’s far from that too.

Sometimes bad stuff don’t happen and it’s just out of pure luck not because someone didn’t fvck up

Well then thank goodness he’s getting the help he needs. Someone should take his phone so he can focus on getting better

He’s so fvcking unbelievably stupid

In this climate of unease you’re playing around with key staff that ensures airspace safety and nuclear safety

FreeStuffsNG:
The firing of so many employees critical to America’s national security and global nuclear security shows how the administration is rapidly executing its quest to reduce the size of the federal government without understanding the full impact of its actions.
It is unclear how many will return to work Tuesday.


Some of them with their skill set and the US national security sensitive information with them are already in China, Saudi Arabia, Russia and Iran
One country's trash is another country's gold.

maasoap:
They will get it right. And if they don't, what's our problem?

Only a possibility of a nuclear catastrophe but no big deal right? Oh gosh