₦airaland Forum

humility33:
You never can tell bro, same faulty electoral system ushered in Yar' Adua who vehemently said in one of the G8 meetings in 2008 that the election that brought him in wasn't free and fair and immediately set up M. UWAIS committee to draft electoral reforms and Jonathan continued with this and we all saw the improvement our electoral system made during GEJ tenure but unfortunately Nigerians went to elect in a coupist now he has draw the country backwards we just hope a miracle happens

That's why I am hoping and praying someone like Osibanjo or Peter Obi emerge as nigeria president come 2023.....there will be changes politically,economic and social cultural transformation.....

If we can rise beyond the confines of tribalism and religious fanaticism to elect some one wit good track records a technocrat and not a regular politician we will see true changes

Then by 2031 another f:ulani j:ihadist takes over and we're back to square one.

hatakekakashi:
Typical Nigerian, start blaming everybody except yourself

Ha:usa kid like you.

You want to manipulate Southerners to protests for you so that bu:Hari can legally extend his tenure.

Pls go and fight your battles yourselves.

humility33:
Can't wait for 2023
We need right this wrong

You can't right any wrong because there are politicians like him from the north. If a southerner wins he/she will come with the "we are one" mantra and will indirectly continue from where b:uhari stopped.

Note that northerners are not protesting en masse against boo:Hari but the moment a southerner wins they will begin their protests against the southerner.

humility33:
Thats why he is giving preferential treatments to Fulani herdsmen and banditsand arresting Nnamdi kanu and Sunday Igboho

Buhari case is something else

Y:up and he also supports j:ihad. So any non-fula:ni to him is an in:Fidel.

gamaliel9:
YOU ARE REPRESENTING A TERRORIST ORGANISATION

This statement by that man just touched me...

It's the ha:usas that brought the terrorists to Nigeria first in the early 1800s and they have been bringing more ever since so no ha:usa person should ever complain about terr:orists in Nigeria.

humility33:
Just cant wait for 2023 YarAdua was a fulani but wasn't like this he brought lasting peace to the Niger Delta during his time. It is just the person of buhari...he never pretends and hides his intentions the useful idiots from the south packaged him and sold him to their gullible supporters in the south...and that was how he emerge president

Just imagine how the foreign born players will feel inside that bus and the thoughts running through their minds

Yaradua is one of the main reasons such is happening. He gave militants armnesty and today b.oohari sees it as the south gave their militants armnesty so why can't we also do the same.

do4luv14:
Are you ever satisfy with something,,
Do you know the cost of flying camping not to talk of accomodating too,

I understand you being angry with the harassment, .

But don't blame it on pinnick, as far as I can point, he is the only Nff president that had been keeping our senior football team busy, during FIFA windows,

So cut him so slacks

Stop saying rubbish...

All those things you mentioned is pocket change to Nigeria.

Splendidsolo:
More Grace Guys... approval rate has dropped lately..or is it just my end Sage,strive and arc have all gone on vacation. What's the latest

they rejected 3 domains on saturday and 4 domains today...

toby345:
why this sir??

a deleted post.

deedee44:
This payoneer card, I guess it will withdraw in naira here and deduct equivalent in dollars. Right?

that's right..

Eliclassic:
Which documents/criteria should i have so that to get the card?

one of 3 ( international passport, driver's license , national id )..

If you sign up to their website they'll inform you of the documents you need.

sign up to the websites and attempt to do things yourself and you'll get the answers you seek.

JohnBullMySon:
Maybe you just feel like talking too much this weekend.

I'm probably Onuachu's biggest hypeman on this thread. You can check through my history here. I've been praising and posting Osimhen pictures here more than so many people including you. No one has ever discredited Oshoala and Ajibade here including me. In fact, I've been Ajibade's fan right from her football juggling days to U-20.

So who brings up purported issues against homegrown players if not your inferiority complex?

Just park one side abeg, you haven't made any sense here since your first comment.

protecting interests and inferiority complex are two different things...

but like the typical Nigerian that you are, you won't stop trying to discredit another person just to feed your ego and superiority complex...

Philosopher1979:
Kwame Nkrumah said "I was not born in Africa but Africa was born in me". Bob Marley was actually half caste (his father was a white man) but he fought for Africa all his life with his music.
Diasporan Africans contribute to the development of Africa (and in this case Nigeria) more than even the native born ones.
A lot of our foreign born players can actually build academies in Nigeria. Who told you Leon Balogun or Tammy Abraham will not be interested in building football academies, investing in our league or even starting companies in Nigeria? They simply have to be stimulated.
Diasporan Africans are helping Africa in many ways. According to a website "$25 billion annual remittance by Nigerians in the Diaspora was more than 80percent of the country’s annual budget and formed about 6percent of the Gross Domestic Product (GDP)”.

Its about who you feel allegiance for and it is a thing of the mind.
Even foriegn borns that did not play for us can invest in our Economy.
As per the issue of playing for a country, Anybody can play for anybody.
Emmanuel Olisadebe played for Poland even though he was born and bred in Nigeria and even played in the Nigerian league
Holland actually wanted Salomon Kalou to play for them when he was young.
So it doesn't allways work like that.
Nigeria needs her disaporan Africans in order to grow and develop in all aspects of life

the same Nkrumah deported Nigerians..

there are also thousands of Nigerians in the diaspora who don't send anything to Nigeria... when I say it now I mean both foreign born Nigerians and Nigerians born in Nigeria but who left Nigeria.

the energy you guys use in trying to discredit Nigerians born in Nigeria must be reduced to its lowest minimum...

humility33:
Who are those that made the bolded statement we want the best to be called up irrespective of their place of birth or whatsoever as long as they're nigerians

they know themselves

JohnBullMySon:
So this is what you're afraid of? What makes the ones born in Naija more entitled to the National team?

If you start this, you'll not be different from English fans insulting Saka.

I'm sure if they all "looked typical Nigerian" you'll not have much problems, but the differences in complexion is beginning to worry you a bit.

There are still very talented players from Nigeria that will still make it to the team no matter what, but even at that, it doesn't matter who plays. We need the best players to move forward.

Nigerians insulted Yakubu for missing open net...

now you're trying to put words in my mouth, I never mentioned "complexion" or "looked typical Nigerian"...

Saka is darker than me that's born in Nigeria and spent time under Nigeria's hot sun

If Saka was playing for Nigeria, he would have never been allowed to take any of the first 5 penalty kicks..

stop putting words in my mouth just to discredit me which is the main issue I am against because you guys will bring up issues to discredit players like iheanacho, osimhen, simy, onuachu, oshoala, ajibade, ordega e.t.c.

jihday:
A good player is a good player, Solanke can't lace Osimhen's left boot. It's the government job to boost economy besides you don't have to play for the SE to make it in football, those guys playing in eastern Europe dey make money like mad. The SE should only be for the best irrespective of where they got their football education from

you're right but its not just the government's job to boost economy...

that means players like Ahmed Musa, odegbami who has built training centers/ academies in Nigeria should not build such things but wait for the government to build such

players like oshoala, oparanozie, ordega should stop their football outreach programs for young girls and wait for the government to start its own

all these players have one thing in common, they were born and trained in Nigeria and when they want to give back they give back to their Nigerian community...

How many foreign born players have done such in Nigeria

fabyom:
If they are better, why not? The best should rep the country. Simple!

because of the environment the foreign born grow up in.. some of them will be better... and I'm also looking at the economic benefit to the Nigerian born players..

playing for Nigeria upgraded Okoye career drastically.. so Nigerian born players won't be able to upgrade their careers because the national team will be majorly foreign born players..

Karlovych:
It's no wonder the country is hardly making any progress, where someone's origin rather than their ability is what determines who gets opportunity.

now you're missing the point Oooo

it is "where origin and ability determines who gets opportunity" that I mean ...

don't confuse my words..

like chucs said above : "Please some people that studied abroad are not necessarily more knowledge than some people here."

In my remix of his quote so that you'll understand - people born abroad don't necessarily have better ability than people born in Nigeria..

fabyom:
No problem, I am sorry for calling you an ethnic bigot.
I do think foreign-born players are also foreign-based players.
Onachu and Desser are in the same team but Onachu is performing better and he is deservedly invited ahead of Desser. Sanusi plays ahead of Aina.
Against USA Onome and Ogbonna started ahead of Zogg.
Also, Oshoala and Ayinde started ahead of the foreign-born players.
We do have training camps ahead of a major tournament where every qualified player is invited.
Therefore, I do not see any need for entitlement.
If you are good you should be selected no matter your place of birth!

they ( some people on this thread ) want the national team to be at least 90% - 96% foreign born players..

players like iheanacho, osimhen, chukwueze, oshoala started from Nigeria with poor training facilities.. while players like dessers, aina, okoye started with at least above basic training facilities so naturally they are also good to be selected...

if you add "no matter your place of birth" to the issue, Nigeria can pick 30 players who are foreign born and that will totally freeze out players like iheanacho, osimhen, chukwueze, oshoala..

I am saying Nigerians born ( and trained ) in Nigeria but playing abroad should be given a quota of at least 50% because the amount of foreign born players Nigeria has can permanently sideline the foreign based players..

Karlovych:
you have serious problem. So you want quotas to be introduced when selecting players for the national team as if there are only 3 tribes in the country. Tell me the quotas players from Ijaw, Kanuri, Fulani, Jukun, Idoma, Tiv, Ibibio, Ogoni, Berom, Oron, Etche, Ikwerre, Gwari, Anang and others should occupy to better represent your ideal Nigeria? Because last time I checked there are Nigerian clubsides with equally competent players in the regions where those people exist. You need to change your line of thinking

now you're getting the point ..

I can't believe it took explanations upon explanations

Karlovych:
You were the one who used the word "better" in your argument. Why would someone who got 8As be picked over someone with 9As? That is why it's called competition. There are several times when league titles are decided by a parameter called goal difference, it doesn't mean the top two teams aren't competent but one was clearly better than the other on key parameters that matter

the problem here is we are talking about life in general not a leaderboard / league table..

someone who got 8As will be picked because his also competent and gets his/her quota.

If person A is the best person in his/her state and his state government advertises vacancy for 100 positions and they write an exam to determine the 100 people and the exam total is 50. 150 people apply for the vacancy and the results come and person A position is 101 with a score of 49/50 while the top 100 who are not from his state also get 49/50 ( from 114 - 40 ) and 50/50 ( from 39 - 1 ) ..

using your logic, person A must be rejected...

end..

fabyom:
I knew this is the main intention of your first post. You can't hide who you really are! An ethnic and racial bigot. Quota system for foreign based players because Buhari stopped the home based players parents from traveling abroad?

If you had read the post from when this issue started you'll have seen where I said:

Foreign born players and foreign based players are 2 different things entirely.

I:henacho is a foreign based player while Okoye is a foreign born player.

I:henacho is not from the local league.. it's about protecting players like nacho.

protecting the quota of foreign based players and Nigerian based players ( players in U17 and U19 and Academy players not NPFL players because the age of NPFL players is questionable ).

please let it end here...

chucs:
While growimg up, my dad insisted that education is the best legacy he would give us.

Look let me tell you, greatness is in all parts of the world. Regardless of the person's background, the individual will always thrive. So the land is big enough for everyone to thrive, just that corruption never really allowed the country to move forward.

While growing up, most elderly people within my area, with only primary school education speak and write good English. Not to even mention those that were able to complete secondary education. They were mostly employable.

The reverse is now the case as some graduates are unemployeble. It is an unfortunate situation really. Please some people that studied abroad are not necessarily more knowledge than some people here. We have or should I say had good brains here cuz corruption have made them to move out in search of secured future for themselves and their families.

Yes the land is big enough but the opportunities are not big enough for everyone to thrive.

Northern Nigeria is big enough but the opportunities and money are in southern Nigeria and that's one of the reasons they won't want Nigeria to separate.

More graduates are actually employable now than then but opportunities are scarce.

Please let it end here. This is a sports thread.

Karlovych:
So according to hundreds and thousands of African Americans graduate yearly from University but "black and brown" people who in your own words are sometimes better than them get the jobs.
Let's put this your analogy into practice would you prefer a competent pilot or doctor to fly you or treat your illness as the case may be or just a crap pilot or doctor?
This is one of the many problems of Nigeria and so many people

Someone who has 9A's and a person who has 8A's and one B2. The someone has a better result than the person and that means both of them are competent. But the someone with 9A's will get picked over the person with 8A's who is also competent.

Stop trying to modify my comments to suite your narrative.

I had to respond to this.
I'm done.

JohnBullMySon:
I would have liked to engage you on some issues you raised here but as it stands, I hardly even understand what you are saying. Who are the B&Bs and what makes the AAs different and more indigenous than them?

Nevertheless, I'll advise we just end this topic and stop spamming the thread. And let me tell you, that someone was born outside Nigeria doesn't mean he's definitely going to have a better life. Forget about social media deception, a lot still do struggle. My own is that everybody who desires to represent the nation should have equal opportunities to do so.

Indian migrants , African migrants , Haitians, Jamaicans and anyone with melanin whose ancestors weren't enslaved in the U:S for over 400 are considered B&Bs..

AA's are also called B&Bs by the media and this makes opportunities meant for them go to other B&Bs groups afterall if an African/indian migrant gets a job in a Whyte dominated company they will be classified as AA in the company's racial diversity report.

Let's stop here. I'm only responding because you claimed not to know who B&Bs are..

Another important thing is that there is nothing like equal opportunities. One group will have higher percentage of people than other groups. As long as that one group is not trying to sideline other groups it will be okay.

I will not respond again.

humility33:
U need to wake up to think that sentiments are mostly tribal

Sentiments can be attached to race, tribe etc the one you're used to is tribal because that's the one u are more consumed in

We're talking about patriotism other know as nationalism...the absolute love for your country thats why many of us are here because we love the national team

So oga promoting tribal sentiments in nigeria is inimical and against the peaceful coexistence of this country and thats not patriotism oga

you live in a wonderland...

I just hope one day when you get a government position that involves managing people of different ethnicities you don't start acting like your c:urrent p:resident...

humility33:
That's patriotism oga not tribal sentiments you've showed this evening from your write ups

Please let's end it here...

to have patriotism you need to have sentiments and most sentiments are tribal..

South Africa is developed but its the "whyte side" that was developed first, will you call that patriotism

U:S is developed but AA's couldn't use the same bus with whyte people ( even in South Africa ), the thriving business district that AA's created for themselves was burnt to the ground by whyte people.. will you call that patriotism
U:S is developed but it was a crime to be black and educated, will you call that patriotism

please this is a sports thread. let it end here.

Fabuloski:
This is wrong. Any general scholarship any American born in American can get, an American born in Nigeria can get the same if they have the necessary skills

Please this is sports thread, if I have to explain this issue the entire thread will be derailed...

I dislike when people from outside a region/place are feeling entitled to 100% of all the opportunities in that region that they don't belong to just because they look down on the credentials of the original owners and leaving the original owners with 0% or "3%" and the only way to fix it is to create a quota, a quota where the original owners always have at least 55%...

please lets stop here...

the U:S is a different ball game entirely...
O:bama is not African American by ethnicity but he became the first b:lack president..
H:arris is not African American by ethnicity but he became the first b:lack vice president..
A lot of opportunities that should go to African Americans go to people that are considered "black and brown" people...

when African Americans complain people like you call them lazy meanwhile there are hundreds of thousands of African Americans graduating from university yearly but other "black and brown" some of whom have better results than AA's get the jobs...

Again, please let's stop here,
I won't respond to any comment regarding tribalism as you guys don't seem to understand the difference between blocking/ side-lining COMPETENT indigenes from opportunities and sharing their opportunities with them by ensuring they ( COMPETENT INDIGENES ) get 55% quota..

Fabuloski:
Sir, you are racist. There is no place for people like you here!

you have no idea what racism is... let me quote American Gangster, Racism is when people of a different race come to a another person's house who is of a different race and maltreats or even kills the person...

I hope you understand that whyte people have to protect their interests especially in their own countries ( not the U.S because the U.S is a country with both Africans Americans and Europeans living there for hundreds of years ) just that most of them don't know how to be racist without been condescending, violent, abusive and derogatory towards another race.

if you're so concerned about racism then you should be more concerned about N:igeria's current pr:esident than me...

humility33:
I hate anything tribal and religion fanaticism

lack of sentiments is why a govt official will take money meant to develop a local govt in his/her home state outside Nigeria or even outside his/her home state and put it somewhere else and when his people complains he/she blames the FG...

tribal sentiments and religious sentiments must never be in the same sentence.. they are two different things entirely...

so you're saying states like Bayelsa, Akwa-ibom e.t.c.. should employ only Yorubas and Igbos because they get the best scores yearly both in waec , jamb and university courses.

when was the last time someone who wasn't Yoruba or Igbo got the overall best result in Jamb, waec, university courses... To you does it mean that people who are not Yoruba or Igbo are dull


If we go by merit based on results in Nigeria, Yorubas and Igbos will clear out most of the opportunities in Nigeria...

humility33:
Bro so sorry to say this

I think you're ridden wit tribal sentiment
Lets leave this discussion dont wanna loose it

I hate anything tribal and religion fanaticism

sentiments is why the developed countries are developed...

humility33:
I tell u so annoying in the 21st century we're still running quota system little wonder why our public service is in shambles and the private sector making more progress because they ensue themselves of this mediocrity and lopsided mode of picking and sourcing talents unlike in the public sector

you don't even understand what quota system means...

the quota system you're talking about means employing the wrong people just to collect salary which is what we see in Nigeria's ( especially northern Nigeria ) public sector which leads to important departments been under-staffed and few govt employees responding to thousands of Nigerians which leads to queues upon queues at several govt agencies..

the quota system I'm talking about involves hiring competent university educated Nigerians ( Nigerians that can defend their degrees ) to do jobs and not hiring incompetent university educated Nigerians who score 34 / 400 in jamb and got admission and also ended up graduating with similar results but will be given govt jobs ahead of other competent people from the same ethnicity.