Patriotsleague: It flourished and extended, Benin empire is the greatest empire from this side of West Africa. The British came and saw Benin empire in charge of Lagos collecting taxes.
It flourished that it's bronze artefacts sell for up to 10million pounds a piece ..it flourished big time, till the British came and did amalgamation... Benin was in charge of Southern Nigeria at a point in history, down to Dahomey, Onitsha, up to the borders of Ghana.
It is still flourishing my friend... South South is the richest part of Nigeria, south south, of which 4 of the states in it was extracted from old Bendel (Benin empire), is the region that has fed Nigeria since independence. Rich, very rich region, both in natural resources, cash and food crops.
Lagos is what it is today thanks to Benin for opening up it's waterways for foreign trade.
TheBillyonaire: Benin Empire defeated Aworis, Yorubas are not good at wars, Yoruba is for Peace, and you are choosing war, when you know you can not fight, i t is not your calling.
After the war, Igbo properties were confiscated, but Igbo now owned more and more than what was taken from them. Their property ownership now is even more than what was lost. So even if there is a war, they will even own more than they own now. Which means, they will not only own Lagos, they will encroach into Ogun, Ondo and chase you all out. I am not Igbo, but my grand mothers were and I have some Igboic DNA and RNA. I am from Niger Delta. But I know Igbo people. They will buy out Ondo and Ogun very soon. Lagos is a done deal.
I want you to do yourselves a favor. That video of Sanwo Olu receiving Oba of Benin. Watch the video of the reception before he made that statement about his ownership of Lagos.
Oba of Benin was hailed! He was hailed as a warrior and he stood and sat, and more hailings came. while Sanwo Olu stood there, smiling sheepishly confused. He stood as a defeated man and said nothing, cos there is nothing to be said.
Lagos has been a no man's land from the time it was financed with oil and gas money from my Niger Delta. When it comes to ownership of Lagos, I own some portions of Lekki. And I do not have to be in that chaotic prison anymore for now until you little minions are chased out of that place.
In the coming war, which will be fought over Lagos, we will burn it down and rebuild it because we will never leave Lagos. Our home states will be safe cos no one is fighting here.
You don't own anything even the phone you're using was bought for you.
Someone who owns something will not call for war especially in a nation where the person is not indigenous too but living in.
You just proved and shown that you're a pauper and you give yourself the monicker "billionaire" to live in a false reality..
Like I said you have a right to deceive yourself and live in false fantasy world.
Whatever you smoked without proper dosage to say this, is not good for your brain pls....
But you made sense when you said it was less than two months for the war to end before Yorubas joined the war.....just one month and you are bragging you fought war??.
Biafra faced Nigerian army, Britain support, Russian support even US support for NIGERIA as against small Biafra yet the war took 3 years to end...
The death of many Civilians in the Biafrain side was as a result of malnutrition , hunger , and that's because Britain and Nigeria made sure that no relief materials entered the land of Biafra....
Biafra currency was and is called "Biafra pounds" which means they had the support of Britain which also means they had U:S support.
What I mean is that the Yorubas were too brutal for the Igbos and their involvement accelerated the end of the war.
Patriotsleague: There is no beef, let's just narrate the true history and story, history can't be changed.
Nobody is arguing that Lagos don't belong to southwest, it is in southwest and aboriginal southwestern people are it's indegenous people, especially Aworis, Epe people etc...but Benin empire created Marina and island areas of Lagos, providing security and enabling people to trade and flourish in Marina and island areas of Lagos... before the coming of Benin people it was bush and swamp in Marina and Lagos island. https://guardian.ng/sunday-magazine/lagos-oba-traces-origin-to-benin/
Again, you have a right to keep deceiving yourself.
The same Benin empire can not make Benin flourish and stop their daughters from becoming prostitutes overseas.
TheBillyonaire: I try to be civil, but you are forming king kong. Let us Begin!
You are ignorant of what is really happening. There is nothing left in Lagos State to be sold. Igbos have bought everywhere and pushed the Yorubas out and fenced those Estates. Epe axis and Elekan axis was what was left but it is gone now, except the place Tinubu fenced for his family by the Refinery.
I own properties at Lekki and I tell you that nothing is left. Even the Aworis that were living at Folu community along the Eleko side, they sold their fathers' grave and moved back to the boundary with Ondo.
You can not even enter my estate if you are not invited, cos you need a code to unlock your Access. So you can claim ownership from Benin people as you want, but deep inside you, you know you are defeated and have nothing left to right.
You are expecting a war so you can recover? You have no idea that Igbos have taken over your Elite bloodlines, most of the Yoruba billionaires are married to Igbo women and the Igbo women are in control of their homes unlike Yoruba women.
So the war will be in your homes and the properties will go to Igbos in the bloodlines. This next war, no one will run, we will kill you all, cos its about guns, we all can afford guns and we all have the might to fight.
Shall we begin?
Everything is vanity.
its not about guns.. its about population.. igbos do not have the population to fight the Yorubas in Yorubaland and the civil war also proves Igbos don't also have the numbers to fight against the Yorubas even in Igboland which is their own land..
a fight against Yorubas is a fight against the SW Nigeria, Benin republic, Togo, parts of Ghana, Sierra Leone, Brazil, Cuba e.t.c.
Yorubas have never lost any war...
the first war your forefathers fought they lost it and also lost thousands of igbo civilians to their senseless war.
don't fight or wage war against people who have a higher population than you and are descendants of warriors who fought wars for over 50 years.
once the Yorubas got involved in the civil war, it took less than 1 month to end the war..
Nathan2016: When did i say i dislike and hate the indigene. We are arguing on land ownership. You really are a child. Stop being insecure man. Growup
Well come and take me out of lagos since i dont have right to be in lagos
Well if you believe that, good for you. Yo are also Nigerian, everywhere in Nigeria is your business grin grin grin
you are arguing on land ownership with indigenes that's hatred and envy against the Yorubas.
I did not force you to be in Lagos, so I am not forcing anyone out of Lagos.. the tax you're paying is good for the GDP and standard of living of the indigenes so continue paying tax.. your children and grand children and great-grand children will also pay to Lagos and boost the indigenes welfare. Thank you for serving the Yorubas and Yoruba nation.
I am not Nigerian.. I only concern myself with the SW... I do not covet what is outside the SW.
TheBillyonaire: In essence, Ogun State is what we should be talking about. If you were birthed in Ogun State, then you must know that not every Ogun State indigene speaks Yoruba. We have different tribes there, by virtue of Birth, several Ogun State indigenes speak, Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba and other Languages.
Yoruba is a minority tribe in Lagos State. Lagos State is built with common wealth of Nigeria coming from my soil in Niger Delta, so you have nothing to brag about. You are surviving because of my benevolence.
I will like to interact with a Lagosian, not to an Ogunanian or whatever they call Ogun pipo
you just confirmed you are the same as lexy nl user..
Nathan2016: Whats my business with lagos. Lagos is a state in Nigeria and i live and do business here. I have every right to be in lagos and do anything i want to do in lagos. I have properties in lagos and pay tax in lagos.
Whats your business in lagos?
Since you dislike and hate the indigenes in Lagos why are you living, working and paying tax to people you hate very much
You don't have a right to be in Lagos you have a right to be anywhere in the world, nobody is forcing you to be in Lagos but you want to die in Lagos. you have mental issues..
I am Yoruba.. so everywhere in the SW is my business.
TheBillyonaire: I will like to communicate with a Lagos State indigene Igbo, Hausa, Yoruba, Bini etc extraction. I am not interested in chatting with someone from Osun and Ondo State.
Most people from Lagos State that I know are very civil and smart, but I see a lot Ijebu Ode people coming online to claim ownership of Lagos instead of their own State.
The demolition in Lagos is to solve economic menace, and most of the people who develop properties in Lagos and Abuja happen to the people from South Eastern States whose business thrive in Lagos and Abuja.
Property development is a Business, if they build at Erosion site, it is a risk and if they lose at Ikota, they will mark up the price somewhere else. Business has risks.
GUNITGuy is right and you're still deceiving yourself..
most of what is Lagos today was orignally part of Ogun state..
why are you not talking and concerned about your SE states?
will you die if you talk about your SE states
why covet and envious of what is not your state or region?
Nathan2016: Okay, show theM your tribal passport at the airport
false
it does, the ijaw allocation is still under constitution. The 13 percent derivation fund comes from the federation revenue to oil-producing communities through the state governments as enshrined in section 162, sub-section 2 of the Nigerian constitution.
Please, do some research and stop blind argument. I am done with you. You seems soo ignorant and sturborn like those ipob and oduduwa militants. BYE
you have a right to deceive yourself and continue mis-informing yourself that is your truth.
you are the one that's ignorant and you're the one that's an ipob militant since you're not from the SW what's your business with Lagos.
you are so ignorant you don't even know how to quote a comment properly.
Christistruth03: It has now reached the Stage for Yoruba people to Start learning the Yoruba Moba Pre Oduduwa History of Lagos Which is. Incredibly Massive
This is a good opportunity to reteach them including the Epic Yoruba History
Do you know there were moba Yoruba people in Lagos long before Oduduwa was born they had their own Kingdom And the moba crown predates Oduduwa's own
If we tell them a little of the History of Yoruba Lagos if they have Conscience they will Shut up and beg for Forgiveness
There were Yorubas in Lagos long before Oduduwa was born The first Oba of Ilesha fetched water from the sea at moba to Cure Oduduwa’s Blindness in the 10 th Century
moba is around Victoria Island The moba crown Predates Oduduwa’s own it was some of theirPeople that Migrated to Otun Ekiti some are in Ijebu
The 9th Century 160km Eredo Wall near Ijebu was part of their Kingdom that reached the Sea and Many Islands off the Coast of Lagos
most of the time they are Categorised with the Awori but though they are now part of the Awori they were in Lagos Centuries Earlier
it was the Pre Oduduwa moba King called Seniade who idol Worshippers deified as Olokun The Island he ruled from off the Coast of Lagos has now been submerged by the sea And that was why his people moved to moba
If you see Ancient Yoruba Artifacts in South Africa from before Oduduwa was born Just know that it was moba People who took it there . They ruled over a String of Islands and were experts in Travelling between Islands in the Atlantic Ocean
Can you see that if you think the History of Lagos Started with Oduduwa in the 10th Century you have not yet began
Sungbo Eredo Wall the UNESCO World heritage Site was built by the Yoruba Moba Pre Oduduwa People of whose Kingdom reached the Islands off the Coast of Lagos
TheBillyonaire: The challenge of many Yoruba people on nairaland is ignorance and timidity. Who ever disagrees with your propaganda and attempts to educate you must be an Igbo. I am not Igbo, I am from the Niger Delta, and my wealth feeds you actually. Without me, you are just another Yoruba Agbero seeking ownership of Lagos State. Some people from Ila Orangun in Osun State and Itire with tribal marks are also claiming to be Lagosians even though no Lagosian has tribal marks.
Shall we begin? Yoruba is a minority tribe in Lagos State. Many Lagosians speak Igbo, Hausa, Fulani, Ibibio etc. If you are not born in Lagos, you are NOT a Lagosian, except you are an investor, so if we go by investment, Igbos own Lagos, full stop.
Again. you have a right to continue to deceive yourself and tell yourself what you want to believe..
Yoruba is a majority nation in Lagos.
I know all your previous billionaire monickers .. you are igbo... there is no tribe called "Niger delta"... continue deceiving yourself.
Nathan2016: You are a Nigerian and uses Nigerian passport and live under the Nigerian law and not your ethnic law.
Ethnicity is not the base of country creation or nation formation. You are an adult, you should know that many countries in Africa are multi ethinic. Even outside africa, we have multi-racial. At the present moment, Yo are living under the Nigeria government. I am sure you sing national anthem in school instead of your ethinic song.
Dont be a child, you are bound by your constitution. It overides your ethinicity claim to land ownership. Until the day your ethinicity form their own country, your rights to land ownership is bound by the Nigerian constitution. lol
The word tribe and nation are used interchangeably but hold very different meanings for many Native people.
I am not Nigerian.. to claim someone is Nigerian means the person ethnicity did not exist before year 1840s which is false and means the person is a creation of british people which is also false..
Ethnicity is the base of country creation. that is why most european countries are named after their european ethnicities.
the constitution does not override ethnic claim of land ownership. if that was true then Ijaw militants will not be getting monthly allowance from the F:G.
the word tribe and nation are not used interchangeably..
TheBillyonaire: Lagos is a former Capital and was built with the common wealth of Nigeria, it is not Yoruba wealth so Yorubas can not say they own a place they did not build. The last owners were actually the ones who named them. Oko is not a known word, it is the first time I am learning that you can name a Bush, as Bush, when we all know that Bush is bush, so thats tautology
Lagos was built with the common wealth of Yorubas not Nigeria..
Nigeria only started having its own wealth after the discovery oil..
before the discovery of oil, it was wealth of western Nigeria that was used to sustain Nigeria.
that is one of the reasons your igbo forefathers tried to use a civil war to conquer and take over the SW and Lagos but it failed and backfired. your forefathers could not even get pass Ondo even with the help of Yoruba traitors..
TheBillyonaire: Take the emotional lenses off and look at another perspective as follows -
A Lagosian is anyone given birth to in Lagos State, whether his parents speak Hausa, Fulani, Igbo, Yoruba or any other language does not define a Lagosian. We have Igbo speaking part of Cross River at Ukwa, we also have Igbo Speaking part of Akwa Ibom. That does not mean they are not Akwa Ibomites or Cross Riverians. We have Igbo speaking part of Rivers State too.
Lagos is a State. One of the 37 States in Nigeria. Every State that I know of, have many indigenous languages. A State like Cross River, have over 50 languages, and they communicate to each other using English Language.
Lagos State also has so many languages being spoken by Lagos State indigenes, few of the Language are Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, Fulani, Owori, etc.
Osun State indigene is not a Lagosian. Ondo State indigene is not a Lagosian. Anambra Indigene is not a Lagosian, and Edo State Indigene is not a Lagosian.
Lagos is not owned by a tribe at the moment, but there was a time she was owned by Benin, Portugal and a cartain Yoruboid tribe.
Fullstop.
the entire SW is owned by Yorubas you can hate it or love it.
there is no such thing as a Lagosian..
If war breaks out the non-Yorubas in the SW will leave and flee the SW.. they will not say they are "Lagosian". even the binis claiming Lagos now will flee to Edo if war breaks out...
Tzar: Whoever is too lazy to research history should STFU. There was mainland Yoruba land that spanned current SW Nigeria, Kwara, parts of Kogi, most of Benin Republic and parts of Togo. Lagos island (isale eko) which was first named internationally by portuguese and later explored by the English is 5-10% of current Lagos. This part was initially inhabited by very few wandering Yorubas from the mainland. Most of This parts was sacred uninhabited land used to worship OLOKUN and to do some sacrifices from Yoruba mainalanders. When the FREED SLAVES that still remember thIer Yoruba heritage requested to come back yo Africa , they were dumped on LAGOS ISLAND. When mainlanders invaded them, they requested Benin king to help them. This king from the last child of Odudwa who felt marginalized, sent warriors who conquered land for the helpless islanders. Then they set up an outpost called Eko. But when the rest of Yorubaland decided to challenge this, the Benin monarchy decided to relinquish total authority, but demand homage from the EKO (lagos island) king. Until this was stopped much later. This was the history!
Your story is false...
Yorubas occupied everywhere including the island that is why the portuguese never stayed long because the Yoruba warriors who were in those places were fighting them and that is why the SW does not speak portuguese..
your story on "freed slaves" is alsl false. to request help from the benin kingdom they will need cellphones because Lagos is far from the bini kingdom and that makes your story nonsense.
bini king will never help them because sending bini warriors to Lagos will be a suicide mission because to the right of Lagos is more Yoruba towns filled with Yoruba warriors and to the left of Lagos more Yoruba towns filled with even more Yoruba warriors. the bini warriors won't even reach anywhere near Lagos before they will be killed.
TheBillyonaire: In the vibrant tapestry of Lagos, a discourse often arises regarding its identity, particularly concerning who can rightfully claim it as their "home State." The notion that Lagos exclusively belongs to the Yorubas is challenged by those who assert that the city transcends tribal affiliations.
Seyi Law, a comedian not born in Lagos, serves as a case in point. The argument posits that his Lagosian identity is no more profound than that of other Nigerians who have made the bustling metropolis their home. This perspective extends to individuals like Chinedu or Musa, who, despite migrating to Lagos and investing a significant portion of their lives there, are perceived on equal footing with Seyi Law.
Crucially, the narrative contends that the issue is not one of tribal allegiance but rather a question of statehood. An exasperated observer laments instances where Yoruba individuals, not originally from Lagos but perhaps from Osun State, engage in misguided territorial disputes, overlooking the fact that Lagos belongs to Lagosians, not a specific tribe.
The discourse delves into historical roots, acknowledging the custodianship of the Oba of Benin, who, as a royal leader, holds sway over the historical narrative. The etymology of the name "EKO," asserted to be of Benin origin, juxtaposed with the Portuguese-derived "Lagos," underscores the historical complexity of the city's nomenclature.
The absence of a Yoruba word for Lagos adds a layer of ambiguity, prompting reflections on land ownership. The argument suggests that if "Eko" is indeed a Benin word, it implies a historical period where the Benin people laid claim to Lagos, akin to the Portuguese who named it 'Lagos.'
In the contemporary context, the narrative pivots to the inclusivity of Lagos, emphasizing that it now belongs to all. The assertion that most estates, notably the Lekki Peninsula, were predominantly built and developed by Igbo-speaking communities underscores the cosmopolitan nature of Lagos.
Despite a personal history and affinity for Lagos, I have an aversion to residing in the city due to the perceived constraints akin to an "open air prison." The metaphor of Lagosians as both warders and prisoners within the confines of their own creation, coupled with the inescapable congestion symbolized by "crazy traffic," paints a poignant picture of the challenges faced in the city.
the Yoruba word for lagos is Oko..
Lagos was called Oko which means farm in Yoruba and it was guarded and operated by Yoruba warriors and that is why many places in Lagos are named after fruits and weapons and that is also why Bini traders called it Eko which means war camp anytime they came to trade with the Yorubas.
every Yoruba person can claim anywhere in the SW...
Yorubas are not like you igbos who rebuke other igbos from claiming places in the Igbo nation.
timilehing: Lagos na the only Yoruba settlement without adequate Yoruba input. They don't have history deeply rooted in Yoruba lineage. Lagos is made up by multi-tribes across West Africa. No Oba in Lagos with traceable lineage like you will have for other Yoruba towns
Lagos was called Oko which means farm in Yoruba and it was guarded and operated by Yoruba warriors and that is why many places in Lagos are named after fruits and weapons and that is also why Bini traders called it Eko which means war camp anytime they came to trade with the Yorubas.
MadamExcellency: This inferiority complex isn't necessary. The Constitution overrides every tribal claim and every Nigerian has a right to settle anywhere and have properties if he/she wishes.
There is no ethnicity known as "Nigerian" so in reality there's nothing like Nigerians.
Nigeria is just a location on a map created by eu:ropeans , it is not the ethnicity of anybody.
the constitution or any piece of paper can never override ethnic claims.
we are not tribes, we are nations ( ethnic nations )...
europeans don't use the word tribe to describe themselves.
BreconHills: Isn't it yet time to stop talking and start doing. Especially in the SE? You don't need "freedom" to do PPP projects, develop key infrastructure and create regional economic linkages.
KingOfAmebo: Another brainwashed fellow, I have experienced both the military and Democratic rule and can tell you for free that the military rule is the best.
Apart from fact that the military built all the major infrastructure you are enjoying today they built and maintained 3 refineries, but after 25 long unproductive years in power the useless politicians built NO refinery and couldn't even revive the once built by the military. Is that not shameful enough to see that they have failed the Nigerian people. All they do is loot the country dry, owe workers salaries for months, use security forces to intimidate political opponents and have blatant disregard for court orders.
During military era public primary and secondary schools were in shambles, there was zero public amenities for the public, 90% of roads were dirt roads, public hospital were in shambles, public universities were terrible..
Right now it's even worse because most of the soldiers are anti-southern Nigeria, anti-christian and anti-igbo.. a military coup will not favor the SE and SS.
The news did not say a military coup happened in Sierra Leone the news says the military armoury was attacked.
delpee: Deportation to where when they're Nigerians?
Demolished buildings belonged to people from different parts of Nigeria including Yorubas. It's certainly not an attack on Igbos. It's all about sanitising the environment and stopping impunity. The flooding we experience often stems from issues arising from unplanned development.
There is no ethnicity known as "Nigerian" so in reality there's nothing like Nigerians.
Nigeria is just a location on a map created by eu:ropeans , it is not the ethnicity of anybody.
A person can be deported to their state of origin.
fregeneh: countries wiht crude makes money from the ones with none but that dose not mean the majority of their eanings is from crude
In Nigeria's case, majority of it's revenue is from crude especially since Nigeria is a country with crude oil that functions like a country that does not have crude oil.
fregeneh: yes! But they`re not making their money from crude sales
Again exactly...
that means countries with crude oil are making money from such countries.
they are making money because they use their continental currency and according to the "World Slavery Bank" and "International Slavery Fund" their population figures are okay..
but when it comes to Nigeria our population figures are over-stated and inflated to suit the "World Slavery Bank" and "International Slavery Fund" agenda against black people and throught their anti-African inflated figures they label Nigeria as a broke and poor country .
casualobserver: I back my comments with evidence not all these beer parkour chest beating ignorant uninformed commentary. You have provided none and made no attempt to back a single one of your claims with any evidence and you sit there talking about intellectualism? How did you get a degree if you have one? Did they not teach you how to write a dissertation?
In fact I have since realized that there is no oil company in the top 10 as Seplat is no longer in the top 10.
Your evidence is trash and nonsense..
you don't even know the difference between refined crude oil and un-refined crude oil.
You must have bought your degree with all this nonsense you're spewing..
If Oil both refined and un-refined was not important then Dangote's refinery would have been in operation already for years.
but it won't ever be in operation because the globalists knows it will lead Nigeria to true independence.
casualobserver: My friend you are either really daft or you clearly do not understand economics. The crude you are talking about, will their workers not eat? Will they not wear clothes, do they not make phone calls? They perform a function like every other industry.
This started as a discussion about government revenue but since you want to go off course, I will go there with you. Every industry is important and all are interlinked and dependent on each other but if you analyze them by what they contribute:
Economy/Employment: The oil industry employs less people than agriculture, transport, banks, telecoms, education, health etc. it is a component of the economy, it fuels the economy but it is not the economy…..it never never ever has been! I was even being generous when I said thee oil industry was less than 15% of our economy. Since you decided to respond with this nonsense, I decided to fact check…..it is actually less than 6%!
Revenue: The advent of crude and the removal of resource control and financial autonomy made us lazy so we depended on crude for govt revenue but the withholding of allocations by Obasanjo and Tinubu’s response to increasing IGR has led governments at state and federal levels to up their game and increase non oil revenues improve tax collection etc etc. now oil receipts as a percentage of total government revenues is less than 50%. Like I said to you 30% of the mon eh shared I. September came from VAT. Where is thee most VAT collected….Lagos…..Lagos is not an oil economy. If you look at many states they make more money from IGR than they get from FAAC, dont forget FAAC itself is oil + vat + company tax + customs duty, so even the FAAC they are distributing, oil revenue is less than half of it and states are generating more IGR than the whole FAAC. That should tell you oil is no longer as important as a source of govt revenue as you think. It’s importance is for forex.
Forex: this is where oil shines because we export very little. However in recent times due to more Nigerians living abroad, diaspora remittances have matched and in some years (of low oil production/low oil prices) exceeded our forex revenues from oil sector.
Nigeria makes most of its forex today from diaspora remittance. However that remittance is not official, it is only for official forex that we are dependent on oil revenues.
Crude oil is the rock of Nigeria's economy. Anything you read anywhere is nonsense.
You're very daft and you lack intelligence to engage in economic discussions..
what you're talking about is sale of crude oil that is not refined... refined crude oil into its other products makes Nigeria billions of dollars.
I'm not the one that said Nigeria should not refine their own crude oil.. In fact, Nigeria is so rich from the sale of un-refined crude oil that it can afford to import refined products of crude oil and sell it to the public..
you get and believe information from organisations that are meant to keep you dull and in slavery...
you have a long way to go before you can have engage in intelligent and intellectual discussions..
Politics › Re: Who Founded Lagos: Yoruba Or Binis? Oba Of Benin’s Claim Stirs Controversy, Agai by codemaniacs: 5:40pm On Nov 28, 2023
