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AZeD1:
Erm no
Power of scale doesn't apply except you don't know the meaning of power of scale.

The price of power is fixed, you are charged based on your consumption not on your buying capability.
Power cannot be stored, so any power not evacuated is lost forever and you cannot get that money again hence power producers would not generate more than necessary.
Also power is kind of a limited monopoly, you are under a particular disco whether you like it or not, its not like regular products that you can change suppliers when you like

I grew up in a power station, there's probably no power station I don't have at least on Engineer friend working.

Lol . . It is economy of scale and not power of scale brother.

You are so funny.

It is a well known effect of scale of production. It applies to virtually all commercial ventures. Read the CCGT well again and stop being so naive sir.

AZeD1:
Do you know the difference between the infrastructure belonging to TCN and the one that belongs to Distribution companies?

Even the article states that its embedded power.

Embeded Power doesn't mean the ttansmission infrastructure is limitless,l.

deji17:
Eko oni baje o. Whoever plans to destroy Lagos, their vehicle will break down before Ore...For the enemies within, they will travel home but will not it back.

Stop being emotional like a sisi and start being more logical and analytical.

What was the outcome of numerous IPPs in time past? Why did they fail?

AZeD1:
Lagos is not building a new Transmission network, they are working with the two discos (Ikeja and Eko) to utilize their current infrastructure.

You must be a Cameroonian immigrant to say Lagos will utilize FG infrastructure. That statement is against the run of play in Nigerian politics.
Plus that statement will be a paradox when compared to your earlier submission that a Transmission System of 7000MW can't handle a 10 000 MW load.

AZeD1:
I know what a combined cycle gas turbine is.

That's because I showed it to you l. If you knew and understood it before you wouldn't have made this comment earlier:

I don't get what you mean by large scale power plant with good scale of economy. Power prices doesn't depend on the size of the power station. A gas fired power station would depend on the price of gas so a bigger power station would actually consume more gas.

AZeD1:
Nigeria currently has a Transmission capacity of 7500MW. It doesn't matter if you build power plant of 10000MW or 10 1000MW plants you cannot transmit more than the 7500MW available.

Like I said earlier, cost of power is regulated, so it doesn't matter if you have a big plant or a small one, you would still sell at the same price.

Read the OP please. This thread is about Lagos state planning to build up around 3 GigaWatt over the next 5 years. The Transmission of 4 GigaWatt in Lagos is a different ball game entirely to the transmission of 10000MW in 36 states Some states have a single local government as big as Lagos alone. Now do the maths.

Fashola will be judges by this meter success.

AZeD1:
I don't get what you mean by large scale power plant with good scale of economy. Power prices doesn't depend on the size of the power station. A gas fired power station would depend on the price of gas so a bigger power station would actually consume more gas.

Also note that the price of power is regulated and set by NERC although I believe Lagos has asked for some relief/exemption to reflect the true cost of production.


Also the Lagos state model is to build small power plants close to were they would be supplying so as to minimize energy loss from the ineffective distribution system we have.

The bold isn't true. Research it please. Transmission systems do benefit from scale of economy also.

AZeD1:
I don't get what you mean by large scale power plant with good scale of economy. Power prices doesn't depend on the size of the power station. A gas fired power station would depend on the price of gas so a bigger power station would actually consume more gas.

Also note that the price of power is regulated and set by NERC although I believe Lagos has asked for some relief/exemption to reflect the true cost of production.

Also the Lagos state model is to build small power plants close to were they would be supplying so as to minimize energy loss from the ineffective distribution system we have.

Please google çcgt (combined cycle gas turbine) and read it up.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Combined_cycle

true.

I hope it is true.

enilove:
Are you trying to say the Holy Quran and Holy Hadith's are not from God ? God will have mercy on you.

May be you don't know that some stories are left out of the Bible which Allah gave to Mohammad like this :

Volume 1, Book 5, Number 277:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

The Prophet said, 'The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone." Abu Huraira added, "By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating."


In case you want to verify , go to Saudi , they will show you the stubborn stone with the marks thereof.

Lol

HigherEd:
You make so much sense sir.

Here is a link that reveals UNILAG spends average of N275,000/undergrad/year.

https://m.guardian.ng/features/education/balancing-rhetoric-and-action-in-varsity-funding/

Go to the middle of the article.

And that average is low because there are many cheap department that require almost zero equipments/laboratories/reusables.

Any thing that silences opposition to Buharis 2019 plans is high on Buhari's priority list so I believe this.

yemmight:
I agree with you that not all the states have the capacity but those that have should be given. For instance in South-West Lagos, Ogun Ondo are capable. South-South - Delta, Edo, Rivers infact most oil producing states have the capacity to produce and in the North kano, Abuja, Kaduna, Sokoto are also capable. By so doing, FG will focus more on other infrastructures.

Good observation but unfortunately some backward thinking region won't allow that. they want everywhere to be equally developed not minding the fact that some regions are more forward thinking.

GavelSlam:
Give examples of these high pricing standards.

Lekki toll.

OkutaNla:
Guy, no mind am. Even if LASG said the exact same thing he wrote, he will change it just so he can fault it. They will never see the positive in anything. Bad-belle runs in their blood.

Show the whole world what I changed or get back to Anambra/Obaino cave ASAP.

OkutaNla:
Enemy of progress. You are only acting true to type. Bad-belle is in you people's blood that is why you never celebrate any good initiative or news. You must always find a negative spin out of everything. Koshi comot.

How old are you? I can't imagine being more than few months older than that baby on feeding bottle.

GavelSlam:
Sorry, how is this different from what the Lagos state government is proposing?

The pricing standard Lagos state govt has adopted in past for services to me is on the high side and that is why I used these words going by trends of Lagos always charging so high.

If they don't plan it to deliver cheap power from foundation it could become expensive for industries considering that the market for most Lagos industries is competitive.

GavelSlam:
Suggest a solution.

Thank you. Solution will be to build a large scaled power plant with good scale of economy to drive down price of the power that will be eventually sold to industries. Another point of note is being careful not to overprice the power sold and therefore kill off businesses with high power cost. Lagos already has the printing industry of West Africa for example and it will be so unwise to choke them off with high power rate.

OkutaNla:
I heard Obiano has banned Okada business in Anambra state, displacing 25,000 people. You will never be found dropping your 'truth' on such threads but you always get a hard-on over Lagos/SW threads. Better go and receive sense and face your unproductive state.

You shouldn't be so ashamed of your state. Feel free to post about your beloved Obaino and Anambra but you don't have to forcefully tag me with those.

OkutaNla:
Yinmu. You are a well known Lagos/SW-hating yiboman on this forum and you don't have to lie about your ethnicity to make your point. Guy, your state needs your 'truth' way more than Lagos does so you can shove it. Una go dey complain about how Lagos handles its business yet una wan die there

Your state governor will be more receptive to your 'truth' coz Lasgidi no need am.

See this tribal bigot claiming what he knows not. If the LASG likes, it. an build a 10,000MW capacity power system and sell it at Ñ70 kWHr. I don't talk my own but stop talking off point and sounding like a low IQ bigot.

Mikeross62:
We need to be moving at the speed of light,before country like Ghana or Benin republic be ahead of us
We really need to improve on so many things in this country not just to be talking

Check my siggy

Life is not a competition. We need to be comfortable and therefore stop using Ghana and Benin as a measuring statndard.

yemmight:
I think the best way to handle power is to decentralize. Let each State manager their own energy. Too many project being managed by the Federal. I remember when Tinubu started Enron power project in 1999/2000. You can imagine if FG gave support and approval to such project, we should be talking about different stories today. And you know if this is successful in Lagos, other state will follow. Way to go Ambode.

Can each state build her own transmission system from scratch? The answer is likely NO, and that gives the FG a firm control on power issue.
In fact Lagos is one of the few states that can afford to build a brand new transmission infrastructure.

I say this because Lagos has a small land mass and therefore will need no long distance equipments, Lagos has the cash, Lagosians have the buying power to offset initial capital investment.

OkutaNla:
The anti-Lagos pessimists and bad-belle merchants don land. Must you SE folks always antagonize every developmental initiative emanating from Lagos? Your kind want to enjoy stable electricity yet you don't want to pay for it -- even though you are already paying exhorbitantly via fueling and maintaining multiple generators.

Atleast Lagos is taking the bull by the horn to address the issue. Nothing stops any of your SE states from also coming up with similar or better inititative to compete with Lagos and attract businesses that you claim will be 'choked' by this Lag initiative, instead of displaying your bad-belle here as usual.

I yarn the truth and see no need to tag me an anti-lagos pessimist. If they go ahead and include Oga's commission or cut as is rampant in most projects and PPP then it could affect the competitiveness and long term goal of the project. I am not a SE person for your info.

Nigerians are finally getting bored with GEJ admin loot recovery news and OBJ admin loot recovery news is doing all the magic once again.

It is funny to notice that Buhari's anti-corruption war efforts is always prioritizing those opposing his return to power.

Also to note, is the fact that the Nigerian army is now doing its best to paint the picture of a balanced onslaught on militias and herdsmen while being concerned by amnesty international.

Sounds good on paper but the ultimate market for energy is that of manufacturers who invest the energy consumed in productive use and going by trends of Lagos always charging so high above known market for their services it could end up choking businesses that depend heavily on power.

orimion:
But you have to talk talk talk to get her to do anything (too verbose)

No. The verbosity of java mean you can give instructions to the finest detail. it means the language has broken down most task to almost machine level. Verbosity of Java means the language can eliminate ambiguity, it is an advantage.

misreal:
she is too old for him Jorh..... don't quote me oh else, you will have yourself to blame..

I quote u and am blaming you for it. so what?

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