₦airaland Forum

DrayZee:
So the maintenance cost of the Jets will cover for the universities expenses right? That's exactly what you're saying.
Aligned with the standards of this world. So they should create their own country and economy?
Have you ever seen a cheap private university before? Why are you typing like an illiterate?

There are no cheap universities anywhere, either private or public. For example the FG spends average of N430, 000 per year on each UI undergraduate.

OneCorner:
Kee ursef Go and hustle ur way out too. No clean money anywhere... ask bill gates

Is extortion hustle?

OneCorner:
Kee ursef Go and hustle ur way out too. No clean money anywhere... ask bill gates

Is extortion hustle?

OneCorner:
Kee ursef Go and hustle ur way out too. No clean money anywhere... ask bill gates

Is extortion hustle?

fairer job opportunities to all.

Ihateyoumod:
All u have ended up analyzing is business. Which makes d church a business organization.

How is subsidy a business?

sarrki:
Keep quiet if you have nothing reasonable to say

Is your mumu not codeine inspired again

sarrki:
Mr President God Bless you
May Your days be long on earth
You have seen your children children
We the peace loving Nigeria use you as s point of contact
That we will see our children children
God bless our children
God bless Federal Republic of Nigeria

Chemically inspired mumu.

abokibuhari:
Both obasanjo and buhari are useless people abi na animals I go call them

The can't be equally useless to you na.

perfectedmee:
If the Church were able to use people Offerings and tithes to build a whole University.

What stops them from still using it to fund the University ?

Cos last time I checked, people are still paying tithes Nd Offerings, in fact, one of the GO's boasted that it has tripled over d year.

D truth is that, these schools were built for profit taking. You can continue wallowing in your ignorance.

Emotion doesn't make u right.

Stallion93:
The moment u start a debate with an outright fool u begin to give him the attention he craves and u start an argument on a Foolish premise which would likely Infect your rational reasoning and like I said, foolishness is Toxic, So please depart from such Quagmire. I mean who needs to be told Churches and church owned schools in Nigeria are all in for the Money?? Is that smth to debate on actually??!

Guess work. Typical of mentally lazy people.

Inricash:
Now the price for that standard of education with no profit making interest in mind is fees of over a million...


Just agree, the schools by most churches today are profit making ventures..

You don't need to set up schools to offer scholarships and scholarship doesn't justify that amount for their standard of education

Who said schools are set up for scholarship? please show the whole world.

Samogbo1:
Bro, u keep mentioning advanced nations and societies in ur quotes without considering the basis for generalizing facts.

Nigeria is a third world country, where as d likes of Yale, Notre Dame, Harvard all has there leanings in advanced nations.

This nations are in no where to be compared to less developed country like Nigeria this implies that soft pedals shld be meted on its populace regarding education and other social contributions rather than venting exorbitant levies on the tithe payers in d name of sch fees.


I must admit that u r sound, informed and exposed but using ur exposure to defend Nigerian Clergies on their routine milking of poor masses through the proliferation of unis... DOESN'T SOUND WISE OF U.

Again, I will urge u to always derail from using profane/derogatory words while laying ur points next tym.

Finally, Nigeria shldnt be compared to Advanced countries regards to humanitarian welfares(unis) based on our developmental attainments so far.

The churches are giving scholarship and that should cover the poor. if everybody that pays less than 100,000 church seeds yearly demand subsidy of 800,000 per annum where will the money cone from? The poor who can barely pay tithes?

Lordchuks23:
THIS IS A CASE OF ROBBING PETER TO PAY PUAL
ROBBING POOR MEMBER TO BENEFIT RICH MEMBER
Is either you are a pastor or one of their family,,,, because I don't know why you should forget about the church member that contributed for the establishment of these university, Catholic, Anglican, and all these autodox churches are the face of education in Africa, and most of this pastors are part of the beneficiary of the free education that was established by those Catholic, Anglican and other ages churches then, and you have a gut to ridicule the middle class and the poor that can't avoid this evil universities that was build with their hard earned money, don't forget there is God oooo(in mama p voice) the money that Rccg make in just a month is ×2 of what Oyo state government used to received as there monthly allocation, so why it is now difficult to run this universities with the price that the poor member will be able to avoid, don't forget you and your evil pastor belong to hell if you don't review this price and let it available for all member in your church,,,,,

Your reasoning is pathetic.

RAFIC:
You talk of taxes when church followers pay tithes (one-tenth of their monthly earnings) every month, besides the weekly and bi-weekly offering contributions they make. What is that if not tax!?

Do they pay tithes and other weekly seed voluntarily or not?

ovcwality:
Me I did not make convenant with ur pastor, dey only time I will take u ppl serious is when ur Go's pay tithes in my church when I open one instead of giving another church that is rich, let's help one another u know

Who said you made covenant with your pastor. The Abrahamic covenant is what I was referring to.

lekanation:
compare federal university or state university's school fees to Christian owned university. mumu

If you read the OP well your brain will realize that FG subsidizes the average Uni Ibadan student by 430,000 per year and N1.7m four 4 years. Who is the mumu here?

Dami12345:
See thief, you now want oil well, so that your pastors will start packing private jet like shoes abi??

You and falz want industry from church abi

Mudley313:
This is so daft and ignorant. No wonder Nigeria is where it is today - thriving churches everywhere while the populace live in squalor. This analogy is like saying because everyone pays different amount of tax, the rich should be treated or provided with better social amenities than other fellow tax paying citizens?

My friend, receive sense.

And for those talking about harvard and the likes, ever heard of the dark ages? when church was collecting everyones money and most of the average citizen in europe were living in poverty?

Counter my argument intelligently Sir. or get out.

demolagilbert:
i needed to quote you cos i see pple do this sort of comparison a lot, and it is economically wrong. You need to consider purchasing power parity btw countries. You need to consider first what is the avg annual earning of a low to middle class person in that cairo, or the us or the uk or whichever countries you wanna juxtapose figures with. Then you consider the purchasing power parity of your country Nigeria, where the avg annual earning of someone who makes 120k a month, would be just about 2500+ dollars a year. Now consider, how many ppl in Nigeria in 2018 currently make even this abysmal 120k per month. That is how it is done. You dont compare someone who is the us doing a shoddy menial job and making 10 dollars or more an hour to Nigerian some of who are making 10 dolllars for a whole day job, whilst in a bank, wearing a tie, and thinking he is a big boy. With a year of savings a student who has a good side job like a nursing assistant in the US can save 15000 dollars, and buy a venza. Heck my ex just did. And she isn t evn middle class yet. some Apartments in california or new york can charge in tens of thousands a month. So such comparison without considering purchasing power parity, is a faulty one

Wrong. wrong again

Stallion93:
So u can dedicate time this much to Express your High grade Ignorance? Foolishness is Toxic, in as much as u are foolish and u have every right to be, plz keep it to yourself and your wrinkled herniated ballz, don't bring it here on Nairaland

Raise relevant points and stop showing your wisdom level.

The Lord killeth and maketh alive.

HigherEd:
The best private uni in Africa is American Univ of Cairo which charges 14,000USD while Covenant is the second and charges about 3,000USD. Let that sink in.

At N850,000 covenant charges around $2,500 dollars. N365/$

Wiseandtrue:

So if many are giving 50-150 then where is all these money generated from

Are you saying they are into another business

The early church as you put it preaches about humility, care, love and equality!

They shared themselves, they helped the old, the weak and the poor. So what are you saying

They could as well amassed the wealth and keep it for themselves, why share it

Thank You. There is the prophets' seed. There are partners of the church who understand better and give willingly.
There is the tuition fee component, there is also the venture proceeds like Landmarks Farm in Kwara. Tithe is squarely for direct church activities

HigherEd:
Erm you too consider the church. The early christians sold off inheritances for the church yet they never got free education nor free healthcare.
They did wealth redistribution but that was because the church got the all of members. You can't be giving 50-150 naira a Sunday and expect to get free everything.

So let us reason it further brethren.
A man earn #50,000 and can't afford to pay #600, 000 as fee per annum, he pays his tithe of #5,000 in accordance with the covenant and now wants the church to flip his average annual tithe of #60,000(#5000/month) into #600,000 in form of subsidized education.
It takes a level of dead conscience for such a thought to flow through a sane mans mind.

izzou:
Pick up one or two responsibilities of the government? Mtcheeew

The number of students admitted into Ife,Ibadan and Unizik and Unilag in a year is more than what all the private universities in Nigeria take a year

Today is Sunday. Go to your church. Some members have no jobs and some are hungry. It's the job of the government to take care of them, but you could kindly ask your pastor to help, instead of adding more universities to the already choked system.

Tithe is voluntary unlike tax. If pastors are to provide a working society for members don't you think Muslims and nonbelievers are being left out?

Let FG relinquish 5 or 10 juicy oil wells to the church and we will see church providing cheap populated schools like UNIZIK and UNILAG.

They are never aware. Just ask Buhari who is currently taking bribes? He isn't aware neither. Both PDP and APC

Yes. As long as Christians don't threaten the right to life of other like Leah Sharibu is experiencing I support it. Christians are mostly secure folks who don't try to pull others down and I see no hidden agenda behind this.

delugajackson:
Falz is right. What's the need of establishing a university that even a common man cannot attend?

I see it as an outright extortion on the part of these churches. If the church in its entirety cannot serve the needs of its members justly, then perhaps they should re-consider their priorities.

But let us be reasonable oh, How can a church extort a follower and the follower still goes there ? Use what God gave you na.

Inricash:
You guys are typing out of ignorance...


Fahlz said the bitter truth without any sugar coating...


You mention cost of running a University as maybe a profit making venture not as a missionary..


Those missionaries that came to preach the gospel had several secondary school they ran for free, which one is your church running for free? And in your comparison to Government, ask yourself if the government is not also struggling to fund Secondary or even primary schools....


How do you even Justify fees in excess of a million or two in a bid to Justify the Church...

You are the one parading ignorance here.
Let me try tracing it from the church to the poor for you.
The church schools are established to deliver a certain standard of education which has its own level of required funding. Now let's say that funding translate to #10, 000 per student per year.

The church can't pay #10,000 for all student so decide to pay for only those they can through à scholarship arrangement that targets a blend of the best and the poor. After covering those within their immediate capacity they open the floor for best(academically) who can afford the whole #10,000 on their own.

This is the reality for most church unis but people don't want to hear that. They think the church is their government. As long as the government receives your tax the government is the sole provider of every other things you share in common with nonbelievers.

izzou:


[b]First of all, I do not support Falz in anyway. So don't quote me if you don't understand my points. Thank you.

My question is? What is the aim of building the University in the first place? Is it to provide quality education, or to make profit?

If it's to provide quality education, then who are the targets? The rich or the poor? Because I'm sure no poor man can afford a private university.

Take a look at this country. The churches have made a mockery of the whole education sector. Every church wants to have a university. And you want to tell me it's not for profits? Even the church that will reign tomorrow are already looking for a parcel of land for their proposed university. Don't we have enough already?

Why can't these churches build industries? Why can't two or three of these churches come together and create wealth if not for anyone, at least for their members?

Instead, they create more and more divisions among themselves. This founder will boast to his students that his school is the best amongst others, and how God gave him the vision to revive the educational sector. Rubbish

I need not type more so you don't think I actually support Falz. Falz should have just kept quiet. It would have been better[/b]

I am forced to reply folks like you through whom dark voices speak...
Industries or schools? As long as the church is taking up one or two responsibilities of the government that matches her own goals the church is doing more than enough for the government and people.

Even If the church builds industry you will still lament that illiterate church goers can't secure employment there because the church didn't build schools and educate them for almost free.

To even start with, the governments' responsibility isn't to create industries directly but to create an enabling environment for industries to thrive and compete globally. If the church must be the one to create industries let all who desire to work in those industries pay their tax to the Church and maintain a tax card as their social security ID.

Booked.