₦airaland Forum

Irks me?Lol,i dey laugh.I'm guzzling liquor as i type,thinking to myself 'yeah here we go again with the usual back & forth'.Kobo,like i said,you know nothing about nothing.Jos is my adopted hometown,you can't tell me nothin about the the strife in Jos having participated in the earlier versions i'm in a better position to tutor you on the finer points of the crisis

Kobojunkie:
I choose instead to believe what I have been able to glean from my own research of the situation. It appears it IRKS you that I do not share your view on this and this is not new to me. But I prefer to focus on understanding the true problems in order that I might identify true solutions when they show up as I believe that is the only way forward, even in this. As I have already mentioned earlier, this is Nigeria where even those who live right in the eye of the storm have little understanding of what happens right under their own noses.

Deliberate or not, I don't believe it is your place to tell command another on how to spell, or not spell a word. I cannot help you there as I have no plans on changing that for you.

Muza:
ok,u asked for it,so lets start,lets start with the very simple ones.

how did she come about the $11.4m that Ribadu caught her with when her husband was Gov?

answer this satisfactorily and i'll have more coming,till u convince me shes a saint and laboured for all her money

Circumstantial.Show me an incontrovertible proof.As far i'm concerned you're still rambling & clutching on to straws

Kobojunkie:
Yes, I am clued into what the issue really is and No,my choice of spelling has nothing to do with civility.

Well i put it to you,you know nothing about nothing.You don't even know the half.In other climes,having spent the number of years i spent in Plateau state & paid my taxes to the state coffers i'm entitled to lay claim to being an indigene/citizen of Jos.Seriously,your ignorance on this issue is overwhelming.How is it possible for someone to swallow-hook,line & sinker everything he/she reads?I'm flabbergasted

And yes,using the correct spelling shows respect for others.Like a deliberate mispelling of someone's name in a bid to spite the person

Kobojunkie:
Like I said, many of those fighting have no clue what the fight is really about and so they take advantage of the situation to express their own deep seated hate against other groups, and so we have people going after ibos, christians, and even Yoruba(including the Muslims among them). This is Nigeria!

Ok,so i take it you're clued up on the crux of the crisis & you blv it is 100% ethnic? And pls it is Igbo-not Ibo,let's keep this civil

Muza:
pls tell me which work patience has done in her life that makes her richer than Buhari?,just answer this one,lets not start withe her corrupt,clueless,desperate husband  Grin

u've not answered my question,those lies u keep peddling are sour and outdated pls find new ones

Please substantiate your arguments with facts and stop throwing circumstiantalities around like an illiterate.

Ethnicity issues between which groups?The Hausa and the Beroms?Do you realise that there are as many Igbos & Yorubas in Jos as there are hausas?How come it's only the Hausa/Fulanis fighting to lay claim to land that isn't theirs?Think,360 that is

Kobojunkie:
Let me put it this way. A huge many of those who continued to fight in these riots, time after time, have NO CLUE what they are even fighting for. All they know and hear or are told is the other side is the enemy and they need to be gotten rid of. And this is not unique to Jos.

I prefer to take a 360 look at the situation, and honestly, I see this as more of an ethnic problem masquerading now as a religious problem. Not until the ethnic issues are dealt with, will the problem be solved.

^^^what you read,you say?The moment i catch a flight to Naija,as soon as i touchdown Lagos/Abuja my next stop is Jos & i'm telling you what you reading is a complete falsification of the facts.Take my word for it

^^Without attempting to derail the thread.Seriously do you think the crisis in Jos is more ethnic than religious?I was born in Jos.Born & bred-call me a thoroughbred if you like,& i can tell you without fear of equivocation that the crisis is far from ethnic.That is the cliche used by politicians to gloss over the true state of affairs: 'the crisis is not religious but about ethnicity & the control of resources' pullezz,we know better

LoveKing:
CAN SOMEONE NATURALISE AND BECOME A BRITON BY MARRIAGE?

The simple answer is; yes you can.But the rules are really stringent now.You must be living with the lady for a period of time cuz you'll be under survelliance for a long time.Make sure your papers haven't run out prior to the marriage.Your spouse & yourself must be capable of speaking a modicum of the english language.be careful of the people you discuss this kinda issues with,there are undercover cops everywhere, Never leave it till the eleventh hourAnd so many other thangs you have to take into consideration

Ok i'm back  

Eziachi:
Can you do me a favour?
Please can you give me a link or publish lectures or statements attributed to Buhari showing this his extreme religoius views you are talking about? I mean it.
I will like to see it
However, I don't know this guy as much as you do, cos it seems you know the guy very well.
I really will appreciate it. Thanks

Well i see Mr Beaf has already done me the honors.Need i say more

Kobojunkie:
But you do realize that much of what continues to happen in Jos is LESS Religion and more ethnic?

Kobo,kobo   about to begin an unending cycle of back & forth.Ok what if i concur that it is more of an ethnic issue with religious colorations but he should have weighed in at some point to calm things down,considering the clout he has in the north.What would you come up with?

Kobojunkie:
I can honestly tell you that I have no clue how many times he has ever actually condemned any of the riots, neither have I any clue what his state of mind really is. I also have no record of him stating he is for the religious violence.

Ok, your honesty is noted.Methinks as an elder statesman running for the highest office in the land he should be in the forefront of trying to quell the perpetual religious strife in Plateau state & elsewhere.In any event i rest my case.

^^^Let me answer that by asking you another question:Has Buhari ever condemned any of the religious crisis sprouting everywhere in the country & especially concentrated in the middle belt area of plateau state?Have you ever seen or heard that Buhari was mediatingin the crisis in a bid to douse the palpable tensions btw the two belligerent religious groups?
What does that say of his state of mind?

Kobojunkie:
So, having a Muslim as a President means Nigerian constitution will be changed, is that what you are hinting at?

You know & i know, & you know that i know that's not what i mean.There's a difference between a football fan & a football fanatic

Let us proceed from the premise that he has a clean bill of health corruption wise (which i vehemently disagree with) His extreme religious views completely rules him out of the equation.Even in Egypt with all the clamour for Mobarak to go,no one wants the Muslim Brotherhood to get to power cuz everyone and anyone with a brain the size of an apple understands what freedom is

Kobojunkie:
No it does not show any of such. It is clearly an opinion piece which at the end, you will need to investigate. But that is for another thread. Matter of fact, I think we have had so many threads on those already. I just wonder why bring that in on a thread that is about figuring our where Buhari gets his funds from.

Ok then you seem to know something we don't.So where does he get them (funds) & pls don't give me that cattle rearing line.It's old & tiring

Kobojunkie:
^^^ How does the Opinion article above show how much or where Buhari's funds come from? 

Did you even to read the article?It simply goes to show you all this talk about integrity is pure hogwash

All our military heads of state were largely insensitive, corrupt, almost illiterate, self-appointed tyrants who seized their stripes of honour (dishonour is probably more appropriate) through coups rather than the rigours of formal training, experience or war. Each one of the military heads of state simply got up from bed one chosen morning, pistle on the hip, jackboots on the ready to besmear our constitution to loot our treasury to their hearts content. Of course, they soon made up on the job for their lack of proper war or soldiering experience by detaining, tear gassing, shooting and bombing citizens protesting against their high-handedness and misrule. Everyone of our coup Generals aspired to be the richest lazy fool in the world sitting like an over-fed baboon atop the tallest tree in our devastated and rotting vineyard, savouring their exploits amidst squalor, hunger and decaying corpses. General Muhammadu Buhari was one of such military head of state.

On the 31st December, 1983, Buhari struck, under the cover of the political commotion that trailed the Presidential election results of the time. In reality, power was seized for the opportunity to destroy documents relating to the NNPC's missing US$2.8 billion oil money, and punish all those involved in unraveling the scam. Politicians and critics, including Fela Anikulapo-Kuti, notorious for clamouring for the exposure of the oil money rogue Minister of Obasanjo's military epoch, were locked up without trial. Buhari's regime had a penchant for incarcerating all and sundry. Satire saved my neck at the time.

Not much is known about Buhari's family background. Not a great deal has been heard about his educational qualifications either. As head of state, he was a recluse to the core. At least, that was the image he portrayed. His deputy, the late Gen. Idiagbon, was considered by most Nigerians to be the star of Buhari's regime. It is to Idiagbon that any credit due to that regime is generally attributed. Idiagbon was the defacto head of state. He was honest, upright, disciplined, and like Murtala Muhammed before him, he succeeded briefly in introducing order and sanity to our lives.

Nigeria was already a failed state economically when Buhari seized government from Shagari in December 1983. We had a staggering foreign debt load of US$18 billion, so Buhari stopped all further borrowing, and in defiance of the IMF and World Bank, pegged the exchange rate of the naira at one to the US$1.50. He put a ceiling on the amount of foreign exchange earnings to be used in servicing foreign debts, and after sorting out and rejecting the dubious foreign debts in our portfolio, paid off nearly 50% of the genuine debts by the end of his regime in 1985.

Buhari's regime maintained a vibrant foreign policy with Africa as its principal focus, and it strongly resisted the IMF. The regime's fight against corruption is exemplified by the crating of Umaru Dikko to airfreight back to Nigeria from London.

Buhari generally had no agenda for leadership but vendetta against those he called critics and rabble-rousers. After consigning the vexatious matters that brought him to power, to administrative oblivion with the help of Shinkafi, his Secret Service guru, Buhari announced his readiness to quit office.

Idiagbon, as Buhari's lieutenant, naturally insisted on taking over as head of state from his apparently prematurely retiring boss. Babangida, who was Chief of Army Staff at the time and a member of the Supreme Military Council, insisted it was his turn to rule because he had been involved in virtually every military coup up to that time. The quarrel split the Supreme Military Council members almost equally behind the two principal combatants and eventually led to the overthrow of Buhari's regime.

Abacha rehabilitated Buhari with the chairmanship of the Petroleum Trust Fund (PTF) before he (Abacha) died in 1998. When Obasanjo returned to power in May 1999, he found that over 2.5 billion naira had not been properly accounted for in the PTF and that there was not much on the ground to show for the colossal expenditure the agency was claiming. On the day Obasanjo announced the scrapping of the PTF, a non-staff brother-in-law of Oga, allegedly serving as his conduit on some PTF projects, died suddenly from what appeared to be heart failure.

[b]Buhari has no respect for democracy. Under his behest, the ANPP humiliated five highly respected South-Eastern Presidential aspirants at their primary for the 2003 presidential election despite having Dr. Okadigbo as Buhari's running mate. Buhari definitely was not a sellable presidential candidate across Nigeria. What happened was that the incumbent ANPP governors needed a Buhari to help them hold on to their states on religious grounds. After rigging his party's primary to become its presidential candidate, Buhari felt he was on moral grounds to preach election morals to the world. He ignored the South-West completely in his campaigns, as if it did not exist, and offered the South-South, the unattractive, legally diminished constitutional option on derivation. To rob salt into injury, he threatened to swap NDDC with PTF. If he wasn't playing with words, he betrayed his selfish ethnic agenda because we all knew what happened in his PTF. The little he achieved was focused in his backyard.[/b]

Even in the area of public debate, Buhari was not articulate or detribalized and he lacked charisma. He ignored all entreaties to explain his programmes to the 'bloody civilians.' Arrogant and condescending, he was unable to climb down from his high horse as a former military dictator. Infused with the moribund myth that Nigerian leadership was the sole property of his ethnic group, he assumed he could cow the rest of us with a jihad. If that failed, some said, military coup was a possibility because a kaferi must not continue to rule. He concentrated his campaign (if it could be called that, because he said very little at every stop), in the North-East and North-West of the country. The little he said, was only in the Hausa language to titillate the warrior nerves of his jihadist gang.

^^^what kinda parochial thinking is this; 'buhari does not need to spend 50kobo to pull crowds' ROFLMAO (apologies to kobo)

kcjazz:
Well now you know, EVERY ex- presidents receive stipends from the government. Say thank you for the new knowledge.

Stipends: A stipend is a form of salary, such as for an internship or apprenticeship. It is often distinct from a wage or a salary because it does not necessarily represent payment for work performed, instead it represents a payment that enables somebody to be exempt partly or wholly from waged or salaried employment in order to undertake a role that is normally unpaid (, or voluntary, or which cannot be measured in terms of a task

You seriously need to brush up on your knowledge.A little education is a dangerous thing

^^^Those weren't his exact words.As for loyalty,there's no such thing as loyalty in football when money is involved

meine:
[b]He earns allowance as the head of state, and does some farming by the side, Much of his campaign funds will come from us the masses,

I have yet to hear of a Buhari presidential campaign donation fund.If you have,pray tell

Stop being evasive.This is not a GEJ topic,you can create one & ask the same question.presidential campaigns don't come cheap any where in the world,how does this man sustain his perpetual campaigns is what we'd like to know.Simples

Eziachi:
I would like to know too what he does for a living after his army career.
But when has the culture of knowing what person does for a living starts in Nigeria? I tend to judge people base on what is concrete evidence, as no person both present and past has said Buhari has stolen public money with any sort of evidence and his austere lifestyle doesn't depict a corrupt person.
But we all saw Jonathan giving his visitors 50 thousand dollars as taxi money.

Scouser for life

The crux of the question has still not been answered.Please Osama Binuhari apologists stop prevaricating and tell us what your candidate does for a living that is enough to sustain 4 presidential campaigns.if he receives campaign donations,where & what are the sources of these donations.Integrity my foot!

Jbenue:
they are all crooks and looters so i relly dont care which one is finer. Beauty fades and they shall all get their[b] just deserves[/b]

Just desserts please.

buzugee:
ok so ileke and tpia lets try to get to the bottom of this here issue. wetin cause am ? and is tpia the same person as tpiah ?

same Tpiah,tpia,t*pia,tpiah.tipa,teepia,tpia.h & so on & so forth

Wow!And to think tpia & ileke used to get on so well.smh*

Truly impressive,no doubt.

Well Murray,all hope is not lost.Let's keep in mind that Agassi lost his first three GS finals & went on to win eight,making him one of the greatest of all time.So Murray hope still dey