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Na wa o! You guys sure don't waste time. Was this debate not just last night--and 7 pages of postings already in this thread! God is good!

ikeyman00:
comfort

why dnt u read my post, I'm so nigerian to mess with!! ask kolo i think he might know.

dubious many many out there

I read your previous postings that's why I was confused by the "foolish Nigerians" part of your third to last comment. Well anyway, peace!

ikeyman00:
UNDECIDE driller


does that explain why south african women love to get drunk like white people!! hell no angel wdnt tell u that it all about  talking down on nigeria! it was once a norn in south africa that condom is a white man thing, aids inclusive. even  Mbeki seconded that!!  she wouldnt talk about that!!when Soyinka and obasanjo went to south africa, the radio FM station was airing all sort of abuse on them!! now how bad can it get fools

all yall here trying to make yourself look good doesnt work for me!! Nigeria is our country, we havent got another one, so we take no shit throw at us in any way, democratic, cunning watever, alight

foolish  nigerians!!!

Wait, what? I'm lost.  Are you siding with Angelheat?

favcom:
Read Proverbs 22:6
_{That should help}

Proverbs 22:6 (King James Version)

6Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

Word!

@Poster:
There's nothing wrong with saying your mind; your mind says these points you have made are applicable ONLY to Nigerian men. I don't agree with you and you lost me a few times but that's how you feel.  I commend you for being an advocate for those non-nigerian women that are suffering at the hands of our men. The solution, as you know, is simple: STOP DATING THEM.  

So anyway, to conclude, you are not perfect, I'm not perfect.  And whoa, Nigerian men are not perfect either--we have our good and bad apples. Take it or leave it!  And STILL PROUD to be a NIGERIAN!

The awards is being held in Abuja not Lagos. You can't cast your vote in any of these categories except for the listeners choice. Bummer

Oops! Thanks Blackcat

Yes, please post the site so we can vote. Tanks!

@ poster
i prefer male friends too, girl.  for a different reason than yours: a lot of the females i have encountered in my lifetime are ridiculously petty and shady.
anyways, for the most part, i think you have been given great advice so far.  I don't know much but I don't think you should alienate these men because they are married--afterall, you said a lot of them you knew before they tied the knot. I do, however, think you have to now be a little more careful in how you manage your level of friendship with them.  Little changes, for example, would be making invites out to the couple rather than just the man alone, no booty calls (late night calls or past 12:00am), etc.  I don't doubt for a second that you are very bright girl with no ulterior motive, but you have to tread with whatever wisdom you possess in this life.  Like my Daddy preaches to me: "Be as wise as a serpent but as harmless as a dove."    smooches! 

******hiss******

The girl is pretty, sha. Pictures doesn't always do one justice.

Whara quesion. Of course she is VERY bootiful! Okay, seriously, I don't know whether she is beautiful or not. To me, beauty lies in character; and I don't know her personally.

if we are married, till death do us part.

snazzydawn:
that is very true, and they ask me why I do not like kissing. How will I like it when all he does is vomit all his saliva into my mouth. You need to see how I return it right back to his mouth. I even choked on it once, since then, I always say I have a sore in my mouth.

Hee hee

If he's a good man, I will definitely stay.

Eyah, pele. Abeg no let any girl stress you out--if it's not working, move on. Remember to do your best, and leave the rest. I pray that God brings you your helper and that he makes you the best you can be.

just like you, HR. my boyfriend takes no offence to it because we sleep the same.

It's simple!  You strong women, leave the Nigerian men to the weak women like me.  Go and marry those of the other nationalities that treat their women like queens.  But I no wan the naija man wey go marry second wife o. That is my only objection. 

Ha! Ha! OMG. The Benny Hinn and Ali G story is hilarious!

Kobojunkie:
Here is a clue. Go back to the beginning of this thread and find me the very line where I

1) Blame Obama for people seeing him as their messiah

2) Claim Obama thinks himself a messiah to the black people.

When you find those lines, then you come back and I will better answer your questions, cause at this point, I know you are just in rambling mode, trying desperately to pin your frustrations on me. Prove to me that you are as smart as you think you are here.

So let us get one thing straight, I need not to prove anything to anybody anywhere.  And now to the points you have brought up:

1)

Comfort86:
, If this man, that you have cited as an example, has indeed regarded Obama in such manners as stated in these three definitions, then maybe Obama is his messiah. But do you fault Obama for that?  I mean, you still have yet to cite me an example of Obama declaring himself a messiah or the messiah.  I guess McCain, too, must be a messiah since he is "anticipated to be the one liberate us" from all this national and economic mess we are in by those that support him.  I really cannot believe that I am actually discussing this with you--I thought you to be too smart for such discussion.

My response is highlighted in blue.

2)You never said Obama thinks himself a messiah but it was you who threw the word "messiah" out there. What is your aim by doing so? I believe you are trying to give us a reason to "find it difficult to love Obama"--as the title of the thread states.  In one of your earlier postings in which you stated:

Kobojunkie:
Have you ever read the Bible? Jesus never actually said “ I AM THE MESSIAH”. People figured that out from walking with him. I am sorry if you have a problem with Obama being labeled as messiah for some but when you come out in public claiming a man will save the future of others, you automatically make him a messiah for those. If you doubt it, look up the meaning of the word. Being overly excited is one thing. We get that each day but pushing one as a messiah is a whole ‘nother story. You may not like it but from where I sit, for an adult to proclaim that another man will save his life, he is essentially labeling the other his messiah. Simple!!Well, for one he is not the first black person who happens to have qualified for that role in the black community. We have had so many black role models in the past. Obama happens to be just another to add to the list. Not saying that there is anything wrong with that. But to suddenly assume that this one is the one to make all things better is just absurd. I am not the one making anything here, you do that by your own claims. Why are you so uncomfortable with accepting that your praising him means you are idolizing him?? Please look at the definitions below for help.


idol•ize (īd′'l īz′)
transitive verb -•ized′, -•iz′•ing
1. to make an idol of
2. to love or admire excessively; adore



Mes•si•ah (m -s )
n.

3. messiah One who is anticipated as, regarded as, or professes to be a savior or liberator.

Yes, I praise Obama's policies does not mean I idolize him. And yes, I praise Obama's unfailing desire to help those that society has left to trail does not mean I idolize him.  However, to a more important point--this is a more in depth definition of the word "Messiah":

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messiah  
c.1300, Messias, from L.L. Messias, from Gk. Messias, from Aramaic meshiha and Heb. mashiah "anointed" (of the Lord), from mashah "anoint." This is the word rendered in Septuagint as Gk. Khristos (see Christ). In O.T. prophetic writing, it was used of an expected deliverer of the Jewish nation. The modern Eng. form represents an attempt to make the word look more Heb., and dates from the Geneva Bible (1560). Transf. sense of "an expected liberator or savior of a captive people" is attested from 1666.

Now that we have a clear definition of the word Messiah--not to say the definition you gave was vague--I want to now refer you to the following Bible passage:

Luke 4:16-22 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV) Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society  

16He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. And he stood up to read. 17The scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written:
18"The Spirit of the Lord is on me,
     because he has anointed me
     to preach good news to the poor.
  He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners
     and recovery of sight for the blind,
  to release the oppressed,
   19to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor."

20Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him, 21and he began by saying to them, "Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing."

Please let us end this discussion here. You are smart and I am not. Happy?

Kobojunkie:
Have you ever read the Bible? Jesus never actually said “ I AM THE MESSIAH”. People figured that out from walking with him. I am sorry if you have a problem with Obama being labeled as messiah for some but when you come out in public claiming a man will save the future of others, you automatically make him a messiah for those. If you doubt it, look up the meaning of the word. Being overly excited is one thing. We get that each day but pushing one as a messiah is a whole ‘nother story. You may not like it but from where I sit, for an adult to proclaim that another man will save his life, he is essentially labeling the other his messiah. Simple!!Well, for one he is not the first black person who happens to have qualified for that role in the black community. We have had so many black role models in the past. Obama happens to be just another to add to the list. Not saying that there is anything wrong with that. But to suddenly assume that this one is the one to make all things better is just absurd. I am not the one making anything here, you do that by your own claims. Why are you so uncomfortable with accepting that your praising him means you are idolizing him?? Please look at the definitions below for help.


idol•ize (īd′'l īz′)
transitive verb -•ized′, -•iz′•ing
1. to make an idol of
2. to love or admire excessively; adore



Mes•si•ah (m -s )
n.

3. messiah One who is anticipated as, regarded as, or professes to be a savior or liberator.

role model n.
A person who serves as a model in a particular behavioral or social role for another person to emulate.

Kb, sweetheart, you undo yourself. Since you have enlightened us on the meaning of idol; now tell me a little bit more about this man that has labeled Obama his messiah. Give me specifics.  But before you do, allow me to expand on the definition of idol:

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i·dol       /ˈaɪdl/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[ahyd-l] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. an image or other material object representing a deity to which religious worship is addressed. 
2. Bible. a. an image of a deity other than God. 
b. the deity itself. 

3. any person or thing regarded with blind admiration, adoration, or devotion

If this man, that you have cited as an example, has indeed regarded Obama in such manners as stated in these three definitions, then maybe Obama is his messiah. But do you fault Obama for that?  I mean, you still have yet to cite me an example of Obama declaring himself a messiah or the messiah.  I guess McCain, too, must be a messiah since he is "anticipated to be the one liberate us" from all this national and economic mess we are in by those that support him.  I really cannot believe that I am actually discussing this with you--I thought you to be too smart for such discussion.

Kobojunkie:
How will Obama help people who consciously choose a life of crime, in some cases, over and over again to succeed? Didn’t they all grow up in the very same America? Were they not all from less priviledged homes? How can Obama help people who live in a country like America but choose crime over and over, to succeed? Why continue to make him into some messiah for the black community, that he is not?

This is ridiculous. Kobojunkie, I just want to ask you a question: Did Obama come out and say, I am the messiah? There is only one messiah as far as I am concerned--his name is Jesus. You can't blame people for getting overly excited for seeing a fresh face in politics; and to top it off, if they like his policies and the manner in which he conducts himself---there are fireworks! I am sorry, but what is wrong with having our young ones in the black community look up to Barack Obama--is he not a great role model? But you want to make something as simple as looking up to an individual as a role model into idolizing him. Please, get real.

Like some have said, it is not a must that you must like Obama. But I will like to give a little more insight to this part of your posting:
"He recently released an add where he captured McCain saying "the fundamentals of our economy are still strong", he didnt bother to know what McCain said in whole, rather he chose to repeat a single, five-second clip. This is immoral, i think."

So here is what happened: McCain gives a speech in which he mentioned "the fundamentals of our economy are strong" after hearing about this whole Wall Street catastrophe. Only two hours later, after Obama attacked him on that line, did he specify what he "supposedly" means by the fundamentals of the economy--workers, etc.

As a side note, if you hate immorality, I don't think the McCain campaign is necessarily the route to go. They may actually be worse than the Obama campaign on immorality. Try doing some research on how many lies or misleading information the McCain campaign has put forth--you may not dislike Obama afterall due to his "immorality".

And one sort of off-the-topic issue I want to mention is regarding the opinions of some that Obama is not telling the truth when he says John McCain thinks middle class is anyone that makes less than $5 million dollars. I beg to differ. I saw the faith forum and when McCain was asked to give specifics on what he thinks constitutes middle class income, he said income under $5 million. He then goes on to say something to the effect that he knows that particular response will be twarted in some way but he failed to give any other substitute answer to that question. So it was either he did not answer the question--which i think he wants everyone to think that he did--or he really does think middle class is anyone that makes under $5 million.

In conclusion, it's politics.

KarmaMod:
We'd rather be broken up with then have a man bring in a "junior wife" so spare us the dribble.

Be fair, how many educated Nigerian men do you see having more than one wife?_{they are most likely cheating but not bringing home "iyawo kekere"}  And for those that choose a "junior wife", how do you call them out? with the Bible or the Quran?  I am not for a polygamous home because I think the man is indirectly requesting untimely death--the effects of having two or more wives.  I also do not agree with divorce unless your life is in danger.  Marriage, to me, is a "holy sacred convenant" and I want to do my possible best to keep my convenant with God.  To each his own.  But may the Lord be our guide and give us everlasting joy in our marriages. 

you guys are too funny . i think the bottom line is love.  ladies, if you know he loves you and he's just not a flower-giving kind of guy, then love him back. if he likes giving you flowers and doesn't love you, then what? u prefer flowers to love?  i believe there are many other ways a man can show you he loves you--it may not be chocolate, it may not be flowers, it may not be any of these romantic gestures portrayed in films.   u have to remember your upbringing has a major impact on who you become in your adult life. i think a lot of our parents, while growing up in nigeria, had more pressing issues they were facing than "where can i buy Iya Tope flowers?" or "is Baba Tope going to bring me flowers today?"--at least for those of us that our parents were not very well to do.  Our mothers were more likely thinking "Se oko mi ma ri owo ra efo tete wale tabi ewedu, ka ti e le ri nkan je?"  If my man wants to give me flowers, I'll definitely show appreciation. If my man is not a flower-giver, well, all i want is some lovin'!

Please, which artist is responsible for "Gangan a so"? Thanks!

Finemocha, I'm not fighting with you.    We are just exchanging views, now.

I believe there is a difference in being proud of your child and being proud of being his mother. Just my thought.  This is just a metaphor.

Have a wovewy dayyyyyy

@ finemocha
So you will forget all of that child's good qualities and tell the world that you are not proud to be his/her mother, abi?

dtw_sola:
[GENERALIZATION]
As an unpatriotic Nigerian, I can understand why some other West Africans hate us. Look at all you guys saying that other West African countries are jealous of us. Jealous of what exactly? Are you kidding? What exactly has Nigeria accomplished that is so great for them to be jealous of? Despite all the resources, OIL, our claimed "intellectual prowess", and human capital; our GDP per capita is still near dead last among other West African nations, we still have less regular power than they do, we still have crumbling infrastructure, low tourism, combined with a terrible reputation abroad. What exactly are we being proud of again? Then some have the nerve to run around screaming "giant of Africa". LOL! As if it's something to be proud of that we are a big underporforming country. The fact is that many of us are just feeling big over nothing. To whom much is given much is expected, and we are falling well below expectations (even by African standards). Instead of us to drop the ego, and try and see how to make our country live to it's potential, many of us sit around gloating over nothing.
[/GENERALIZATION]

Nonetheless, anyone who judges another person simply by his nationality is an idiot. Not all Nigerians are patriotic egomaniacs. Many of us are reasonable people. And I have met quite a few useless Ghanians, Senegalesse, and Cameroonians so bad apples exist in all nationalities.

* * * *NOTES ARE IN REFERENCE TO HIGHLIGHTED TEXTS ABOVE, ACCORDINGLY * * * *

#1. Uncle, you have to understand that jealousy is a common disposition.   Girl A is jealous of Girl B because she is prettier; Girl B may not have necessarily accomplished anything but she is being preyed upon because of a natural ability that God has provided her with.  I believe in being humble and I'm not saying that other countries are jealous of Nigeria.  I'm not God so I don't know. But don't rule out the possibility.  

#2. I am simply proud of the fact that I am a Nigerian.  Many Americans may not agree with the war being fought in Iraq; they feel it is pointless but that does not stop them from simply being proud to be an American.  You know the saying: "Be your #1 fan."

#3. Being egotistical is never a good thing; we all know that, right?  Nigeria does have great potential and we all do need to work together in making sure it lives up to it. May God help us.

#4. That's what's up!

My fellow Nigerians, please let us keep God first and do him proud in all of our doings and endeavours.
All my Love 

Finemocha, na wa o. I agree that changes do have to be made in that country and we all need to play a role in its betterment.  You are not proud to be a Nigerian?  If your child goes wayward, you will not be proud to be his mother? . . .