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Its really sad indeed.

It just shows the plight of appalling leadership we face in Nigeria.

In a state with 70% illiteracy & almost 80% live below the poverty line ,this 'leader' has the audacity to get a 4th wife !!! 

From a scientific point of view,Yuguda would need either 'burantashi' or viagra to keep up with the task of servicing his 4 wifes,now in a time of economic recession,dwindling oil receipts & credit cruch,this man is going to include aphodisiacs into Bauchi state government balance sheet??

This is a sign for those who still believe in this present crop of leaders !!!

With all due respect,this just confirms that we really need to understand each others culture better. I can't imagine giving my daughter to my friend as a third or fourth wife.

From my side of town,if you really want to cement friendship ,you try to get your daughter to marry your friend's SON

Imagine this old guy that has seen all that life has to offer ,penetrating this beautiful looking virgin 

Give Yuguda 2 months from now,he'll be back in PDP !

Dejavu : https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-61668.0.html

superboi:
i hate to write this but, why be say when they kill "xtain" enmass we no go see serious probe e.g all the kano riots and in bauchi but if they massacre moslems some topshot "christains" must pay e.g zango-kataf, dariye.

You have hit the nail on the head !

Every crime should be investigated,but the views of both sides of the divide tell it all:

Once Christians are slaughtered in the North,you never see any high powered federal govt panel,but once 'they' are at the receiving end,you get things like state of emergency(courtesy mumu OBJ) and the like.

This is the point I have been trying to make,no one is pointing fingers ,but until we really sit down and tell ourselves some truth . . . .  . . . .  . .

Abu maryam,Muza,please tell me:
Where are the killers of the teacher in bauchi(or Gombe)?
Where ae the killers of the Christians in Borno?
Was there a Fed Govt probe of Kaduna,Kano,Gombe,Maiduguri,Sokoto,Bauchi riots of  2000-2007?

Please send your wishes to the latest celebrity couple in town !

[center]^{Do I smell Dariye style 'state of emergency'?} [/center]

blinx4real:
The basic reason I can see is that most of us nigerian youths have evolved into commentators not participants, talking from afar and not participating in much.
A simple survey will prove my point , how many nairalanders belong to a poltical party/group?

Very simple answer- remember Ribadu,El-Rufai,daramola(ekiti)? Get involved with Nigerian politics at your own peril my friend.

Online blogging ,commentary has proven to be an effective tool for sensitizing & mobilizing people.

You should only get involved with PDP & co if you can handle Area boys,hand guns & machetes effectively,ok?

When you say " Alaafin should pray very hard" what does this mean?

If he dies or something really bad happens to him,you'll say " I prophecied" , if on the other hand nothing happens you say " Remember I asked him to pray".

Prophecies are by definition something that WILL happen,why all the drama??

Even if God had revealed something concerning the Alaafin specifically,you should tell him(Alaafin) & not the press.

Just my 2 cents !

Need I say more ?

Kuns:
@congoshine

Egipt is where the precept of Quinternity was birthed, christians and Muslims are both confused.

The Greeks (christians) took out the mother from the Quinternity, the Muslim also have the trinity con[/b]cept which they [b]borrowed from the Christians, who in turn took their trinity [b]con[/b]cept from the Jews.

'Mother' worship is idolatary-recall mystery Babylon in Revelations. Its also the cornerstone of the occultic world like Ogboni(Omun ya dun !),Freemasons etc

olabowale:
@Congoshine: « #6 on: Today at 09:09:00 AM » 
Liar and cheat you are. And I am reading the tafsir of Qur'aan to answer your deceit.

Alfa,no need for this ok? Just prove your point & I do same !

olabowale:
I hope you can read. You see that you have to read through a story. Sometimes a sentence is not a complete story of itself. It has the next or several sentences after it, as past of its colage to produce a readable picture. You will see that Allah as He uses "We, Us, Our, etc of the Majestic Pronoun" from Himself, He always end up clarifying that He, is One by saying your Lord, I, etc.

Although your lengthy response actually doesn't address the issues raised. . . . . . . . . . . . .

This is precisely the point I want you to arrive at. Never present the Holy Koran as been the 'perfect' Holy book & christians as confused people. The same way you attempt to misread the bible & present it as fact has just been given to you. I'm watching you,alfa !

I really shouldn't be the one defending Sharia ^{how did I get myself into this in the first place?} ,however I need to expand on some issues:

4 Play:
You are linking concepts that have no causal links. There are a wide range of nations/civilisations that have or have had some measure of equity,guaranteed services and welfarism in the absence of Sharia. Where the causal link with Sharia lies can't be seen.

Like every successful nation/state ,strong leadership(aided by religious beliefs) coupled with common values& beliefs ultimately have a huge part to play in achieving any vision.
The common faith & belief system tend to give any plan some foundation and direction. Homogeneity(in this case with respect to religion,language & race) in itself has really helped the gulf states.

In the absence of common causes(fight against apartheid(ZA),against colonialism,royalty(US,Russia),the rich(Cuba). Religion serves as a rallying point for people& this creates the necessary platform for growth,development & stability. I dare say there's a gross absence of anything like this in Nigeria today!

4 Play:
A nation without democracy, human rights, accountability of the top leaders,e.t.c can't be called equitable. One can say that given the relative wealth of these states, their citizens should be even wealthier than they currently are, were it not for the sheikhs creaming off billions of petro-dollars to buy football clubs in Manchester,yatchs and villas in Monaco,e.t.c

Thats pecisely my point.Only in a deeply religious environment can this hold sway,while I may have disgreements,the fact is that it brings enourmous benefits to its people,which to me should be the sole goal of any leadership. As Seun(N'land Admin) once posulated ^{I think he quoted some old sage},the best form of govt 9in his opinion)is a benevolent dictatorship  ! Democracy certainly is desirable but has its limits,remember Hamas !

4 Play:
Interest free financing has limited viability in business. If not, the Muslim world and Muslim businesses will be the pace setters in business.

You may need to update yourself ,have a look at this recent article in the Economist http://www.economist.com/sponsor/qfc/index.cfm?pageid=article104 ,you can search for more. The Islamic banking world has been largely unaffected by the Global Financial crises.

4 Play:
Predictable cultural environment? In what sense, what does an unpredictable cultural environment look like? The fundamental thing is that you are mistaking correlation for causation. You see wealth and Sharia in the Gulf and see causality, I don't. There is absolutely no evidence for it.

I'm not saying Sharia(as I pointed out there are different shades to this) is the only reason for their prosperity,my points above should suffice.

Thank you for solving this 2 year riddle with your 1st post. Welcome !!

4 Play:
It hasn't ''contributed'' either. These nations are wealthy inspite of, not because of, Sharia.

There is little basis for comparing a nation of 140 million to Gulf emirates with mickey mouse populations. Their leaders are as corrupt as ours. Actually, it is remarkable that wilth all their wealth, they are not noted for any technological/scientific acheivements.

It does have its good sides. I have lived in the gulf before,their Sharia is not zamfara style,'cut-Adamu's hand-for stealing cow-while Gov steals N billions' .

To a large extent their kind of Sharia guarantees some measure of equity,guaranteed services,welfarism(certainly linked to gov receipts !) etc. Also it has a big impact on interest free financing which is good for business. We can't also completely seperate a stable/predictable cultural environment from business successes.

4 Play:
Sharia hasn't led to ''great things'' in the Gulf. Prodigious amounts of hydrocarbon and tiny populaces has.

Correction-contributed.

We equally have large hydrocarbon deposits,agreed larger population,but Sharia govs&Emirs(tho' a recent phenomenom here) don't live the priciples of Sharia !

Sharia has lead to great things in other countries(esp the Gulf) except Nigeria.

Thei leaders deliberately make their countries safe ,habitable etc,but Nigeria's emirs don't give. . . . .  . .

& like someone says illiteracy is a big problem. By God's grace Nigeria will Never be divided,we will live together & get out of this mess together,but we need the buy-in of our very powerful Northern elite(led by the Emirs). They must realise stealing and capitalising on religion,illiteracy,Almajiri isn't going to take the country anywhere !!!

zoomzu:
Congoshine must be one of his touts, if not he won't be defending intorlerable OGD.

I visit Abeokuta often, people voted for him in 2003 because they were tired of Osoba but in 2007, his foot soldiers recruited by B?a O??e, O??won, T??i Oi with the help of their God father rigged the election in his favour but see what he's doing to th man now? 

Go round abeokuta and see the billboard mounted at NNPC Mega Station, Ibara Round about etc, the amount spent on those board to make OGD feel important could have been spent on something meaningfull i.e trafic contol mechanism at Ibara round about etc.

I will work on posting the photograhs of those bill boards and portion bad roads for nairalanders to see.

Congoshine, howmany time has your OGROMA repaired Abeokuta-Sagamu road since construction. Your Gov. is a billionnaire before he became Gov. When did he built his Sagamu GRA house? Ijebu Ode house to mention but few,
God will judge them all with their government of the few by the few and for the few,

zoomzu,
Aren't u lettered?

State your case without resorting to all these written drama. Take time to read my posts above ,ok?

OGD isn't performing now,abi?
Dats ur point?

[quote author=Abu-Maryam link=topic=205433.msg3235534#msg3235534 date=1229515889]@poster
If u don't knw no silver bullet will take away Emirs in todays contry so-called Nigeria. Those Emirs are the golden hand wrapping what u knw today as Nigeria.
Amalgamation of Southern protectorate nd the northern protectorate is the solid and foundatmental downfall of Arewa.

Go back to history, before the coming of the so-called colonial masters Arewa waz a developed and a civilise region in western Sahara. There waz trading and farming. People in the region are wearing clothe unlike their counter part in south who leave in wild. Ask Your grand father. They ve government, law and order waz existing long before your grandfather start wearing clothe. Thats why rule waz indirect in northern region. You bear me witness if you go school.

  whats is happening is the batrayal of your forefathers. We gave them trust and use our Economy to exploid the resources in Niger Delta. And one night u want to quit. For where.
The Emirs are the one have the Army and everythng  if u point ur useless finger the finishe u.

A good news. Very soon we are going to give u independance but i ve heard  Niger Deltans will not join ur nation. Sad story.[/quote]Abu-Maryam,how is Maryam? I'm happy you live in an Islamic country-Saudi,I just hope you're not one of the Emir's children !

You must have visited other Muslim countries in that region I am sure.

We both agree on one thing,which is that the Emirs wield enormous power,why is it then I ask you the Northern region is nothing compared to where you are right now?

They control government,army etc. . . .  .to what effect?

So the earlier we relegate them to history or turn them to tourist artifacts,the better. & don't give us that crap that the amalgamation hindered the North. . . puhleeeze !

[quote author=sleek_p link=topic=209450.msg3274239#msg3274239 date=1230376682]Am sure the poster meant it to be fun and if that was the case then you my friend is the mad man.[/quote]na only mad man sabi identify mad men

Kuns:
Jesus is the Muslim’s Messiah
Muslims would like you to believe that Jesus is only defined in the Koran as a Messenger and a Prophet, and is not different to all the other Messengers who went before him. . . . This is just not true, because Muhammad was not called Al Masih – The Anointer or Messiah, Jesus was (Koran 3:45, 4:157, 4:171, 4:172, 5:75, 9:30, 9:31)

Kuns,definitely the Spirit of God has revealed this to you.
I think you should drop all these your egyptology,philosophical arguments and follow Him,ok?

KarmaMod:
where's olabowole

Me sef de find am !

olabowale:
We in Islam do not believe in trinity or multiple godheads. Allah is One. Why do your unscientific mind (lol) have to bring your magic, into the belief of Muslims, when there is just One Indivisible Lord!

@Olabowale,
How can you say Muslims don't believe in multiple godheads?

Question 1. Are there more than one *Allah* as creator in the Islam?
The Qur'an says an emphatic YES!! Read the following:

Sura 6 vs.94
"And behold! ye come to Us bare and alone as We created you for the first time: ye have left behind you all (the favours) which We bestowed on you. . ."

Sura 7 vs.11
"It is We Who created you and gave you shape; then We bade the angels prostrate to Adam, and they prostrate; not so Iblis; He refused to be of those who prostrate."

Q.23 vs.12
"Verily We created man from a product of wet earth"

Q.51 vs.47-49
"And the heaven, We raised it high with power, and most surely We are the makers of things ample. . .And the earth, We have made it a wide extent; how well have We then spread (it) out. . . And of every thing We have created pairs: That ye may receive instruction."

Question 2. Are there more than one *Allah* that people pray to in Islam?
The Qur'an says an emphatic YES!! See for yourself:

Sura 10 vs.12
"When trouble toucheth a man, he crieth unto Us (in all postures)- lying down on his side, or sitting, or standing. But when We have solved his trouble, he passeth on his way as if he had never cried to Us for a trouble that touched him! thus do the deeds of transgressors seem fair in their eyes!"


Question 3. Are there more than one *Allah* that is being worshipped in Islam?
Qur'an answers with an emphatic YES!! Check it out for yourself:

Q.21 vs.73
"And We made them Imams who guided (people) by Our command, and We revealed to them the doing of good and the keeping up of prayer and the giving of the alms, and Us (alone) did they serve" (translated by Pickthal, the verse truly reads: "and they were worshippers of Us (alone)." - meaning that more than one *allah* is being worshipped by Muslims and they don't even know it!!).

The Qur'an even states that this polytheistic gods in Islam will be the judges of all Muslims:

Q.21 vs.35
"Every soul shall have a taste of death: and We test you by evil and by good by way of trial. to Us must ye return."

So, Olabowale. . . your 'monotheism' is actually polytheism disguised.

@Pastor-Plenty mad men on N'land .

olabowale:
Surah Baqarah ayah 45; Ogbeni pastor, if you are wrong, you become muslim, or when I come to Nigeria, I will use "koboko" to whip your keferi butts and back. Agreed? LOL.

[center]^{Really wonder why 'Muslims' resort to violence at the slightest provocation?} [/center]

"Weeping may endure for a night. . . . . ."

Our own weeping for Nigeria no de get end?

And this will be really difficult to stop becos the Holy Prophet(pbuh) married Aisha when she was six !!!

4 Play:
Even the process of capturing, transfering and keeping Gitmo inmates requires multilateral co-operation. I would appreciate if you didn't deploy vacuous talking points you can't defend, otherwise, expletives will actually be used.

I'm sorry I'm not cut out for such. I guess our dialogue ends here ! Bye !

4 Play:
The prevailing laws in their country? Presumably, the cause for the respect of their rights will be advanced if the US handed most of these people back to face the legal regimes in their countries of origin? Do you live in the real world?

Believe me it would have done the US and everyone else a world of good. One of the first laws in general management is to avoid as much as possible other people's problems !
Another clear case of Superman GWB's high handedness.

4 Play:
Precisely! Citing the Conventions here is absurd because it arguably doesn't apply. Let's consider all references to the Geneva Conventions here as obtuse, shall we? I'm glad you have seen the light.
That is a matter for debate on the correct political strategy to have been adopted, however, what we are debating here is the legality of the Gitmo measures. You cannot glibly proclaim something as illegal when you are obviously struggling to find a legal regime that clearly applys to the circumstances.

So who should determine the rules of engagement in a Multilateral world? GWB?

4 Play:
This is the first time a state is fighting a movement as amorphous as the worldwide Islamist extremist movement of which Al-Qaeda is the centre-point. If you want to differ, please name other examples, I'm prepared to be astonished.

This is not like the fight against the IRA, ETA or Baader-Meinhoff. Anybody who thinks the same municipal legal regime sufficient in tackling such organisations will be apt here is hopelessly misguided.

Correction,State[b]s[/b]. Last time I checked,Spain,UK,Germany,Italy all had some form of Al-Qaeda attack or threat,yet - NO GITMO

4 Play:
Fact: Gitmo inmates are not being tortured and summarily beaheaded as Al-Qaeda does to its captives. Go down to their level? Why the crass hyperbole? Gitmo inmates are treated far better than Al-Qaeda treats its captives.

I would rather be detained in Gitmo than in Kirikiri. The sooner we cast aside the exaggerated claims about Gitmo, which maintains higher standards than the overhwhelming majority of the world's prisons, the more informed our thinking will be.

Fine,I raised is from your previous assertion that the US had to adjust the rules of engagement in view of the enemy. This simple can't hold !!

4 Play:
The reality is that neither the municipal legal system nor the international legal regime has clear answers to this new phenomenon. Law is organic, it keeps growing and the designation as unlawful combatants, which is not entirely new, is presently the most sufficient tool to deal with this menace until there is international agreement on how to deal with these situations.

Until then, all crass claims about the illegality of Gitmo, substituting complex analyses with simple-minded glibnes, should be left to mischievous partisans or clueless buffoons.

Is it just me or you can't seem to complete a paragraph without expletives?

Like I said I appreciate America's unique circumstances post -911,however multilateralism that saw the end of the 2 world wars and arguably the Cold war,is the solution not the mess reffered to as 'Bush Doctrine', GWB's war on terror' & of course GITMO !

He's another foolish guy probably high on something. He should be made to repay every kobo !!

Igba yi l'aro !

We really need to fix the electoral system.

Because these twats always asume they will always come back to power via rigging,police,Iwu etc,they really don't care if they peform or not. Imagine telling us YOU WILL perform halfway through your 4 year term

What Rick Waren infers is that Jews,Mulims Hindus etc can't get into the Christian Heaven.

Why do people have a problem with that?

4 Play:
Right, so you would expect these laws to be listed. .  . .or would you
This is congo's best stab at a naming a law. Bear in mind that the Conventions permit the US to detain indefinitely for the duration of the war.

Like I said these detainees aren't stateless,if indeed the have committed crimes ,the prevailing laws in their countries should hold sway ! i don't need to go to the whole torture thingy & Human rights charter etc !

You will agree the convention assumes conflict between two states? Becuase how else can you determine the 'duration' of the war?
Now we have a conflict between a state(US,Western World) and an amorphous organistaion,one would think the right thing to do in such circumstances in to get a binding UN resolution which everyone agrees with. Mind you this isn't the first time a state would fight a terrorist org.
I know you will tell me there wasn't time but that just points back to the incompetece of GWB & his 'all star team'.

4 Play:
The Conventions rest on reciprocity, a nation is not bound by the Convention where its enemy - in this case Al-Qaeda - abhors the Convention. To hold otherwise will amount to placing a unilateral obligation on the US, an obligation its enemy does not recognise. It is this cardinal difference that explains why US detainees from the Iraq war never ended up at Gitmo.

This is so,so wrong. So because Al Qaeda totures captured US soldiers ,the US can do the same? Because they behead POWs,they should likewise be beheaded. Thats the summation of the war on terror.

The fact is you either go down to their level (in which case they can declare victory for adequately changing your ways &systems) or you maintain your really 'high standards' and use your means to force them to conform?

Finally,high handedness(e.g Gitmo) never got any country anywhere & its sadly one of the things GWB(a man that shares many aspects of my beliefs) would be remembered for.

I guess the ruling conforms with Sharia law. Are we sure this isn't being practised in Nigeria already?