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JJM:
Defense Counsel Coogar Davidson, you will certainly give Johnnie Cochran a run for his money

i will take that as a compliment, prosecutor jason juliet masterson.

JJM:
OMG! Is that the only possible logical explanation for the disparity? May be I just want to remain Ms j-jm on a professional level after marrying Mr coogar davidson, or maybe not Maybe I have a crafty little plan called Fraud up my sleeve hence the need not to change my name to Mrs J Davidson, or may be not

fraud? plan? this bimbo must be einstein's descendant to have planned this perfectly from birth. she has sisters in the uk - is there a disparity between bimbo's names on her passport with the ones her sisters bear?

It is understable that since you are her number 1 supporter, you will profer such explanations and insult people by saying its a "no brainer". Could it possibly be that Bimbo A is not her real name(believe it or not people get passports in other names especially where(pre fingerprinting) they have ruined their previous good record by overstaying.

even if bimbo isn't her real name. . . .it still does not explain the fact that she is not answering her hubby's last name. hubby is definitely not yoruba,

Seriously Coogar! your blind and ferocious arguments in Bimbo's favour is hysterical, a joke!

blind and ferocious? i laugh in quintuplets. - i have done nothing but offered logical explanation and pristine analysis concerning bimbo's case. if there's any whopper or prevarication, kindly highlight them instead of saying my favouring bimbo is hysterical. what's there to be hysterical about? madam-jjm, mind yourself o.

excerpts of wenger's interview in malaysia. it seems nasri is staying afterall. . . .

Why are you so confident that Cesc Fábregas will stay?
I am confident because I hope he will see that there will be no greater achievement for him in his life than to lead this team to success and that it will not be the right period for him to leave the club.

In one breath, you say "confident" but in the next, you say "hope". There seem to be a few grey areas ,
I think Cesc has always been torn between his love for Arsenal that I feel is really genuine and, as well and what you can understand, the desire to play for the biggest team, at the moment, in the world. I think both exist in his head.

Have you had a meeting with him since his return for pre-season last week to discuss where his head and his heart are leaning?
Yes. I cannot speak about the meeting but he knows that I want him to stay.

He is under contract until 2015 so, technically, he cannot force his way out?
No, but you can only be in if you are completely in. He is the leader of the team. He has to be completely focused and convinced that he wants to stay.

If he is not completely focused, Arsenal would presumably still not let him go unless they got what they felt was the right price for him?
Yes. But we want to keep him and for us, it's not a question of money. We are not there to make the money. We are there to keep our best players. We have managed the club well to be in a position to say "No". For any money. We have the potential to do that because we are in a healthy financial situation. But, on the other hand, you need as well the player wanting to be with you.

That's clearly the issue, isn't it? You have to be convinced that Cesc, in his heart, wants to stay, 100%. . . .
I am convinced, but I want him to be convinced.

Surely, he can give his best on the pitch only if he is 100% committed?
Some people questioned his last season but I never question his commitment. This guy is a real winner and if he did not have the expected season, it was down to injuries. He played in some games where he was not right completely but he wanted to play, to win.

You seem to be in a similar situation with Samir Nasri?
No. Samir's situation is clear for me.

He definitely stays, come what may?
He stays.

So if a club comes in with a big offer, knowing that he's in the final year of his contract, you will say, "You're staying, "
I've just told you that we are in a position where we can say "No".

And you will, in the case of Samir?
We will.

You think that it is worth more to have Samir for one more season and risk losing him on a Bosman free next summer than to cash in now?
Yes.

That could be construed as a £20m gamble?
[Smiling.] You are the same people who reproach me for not spending money and now you reproach me for wanting to spend it! It is in the interests of the club. Fábregas is in no man's land , Imagine the worst situation, that we lose Fábregas and Nasri; you cannot convince people that you are ambitious after that. And even if you lose Nasri, to find the same quality player, you have to spend again the same amount of money because you cannot say you lose the player and you do not replace him. And the other clubs who come to take him have scouts all over the world as well but if they come to us for our player. . . .

You clearly don't want to sell Cesc but it's been like a feeding frenzy with the Catalans saying, officially and unofficially, that they will get him for this amount and that they will get him. Is there a message that you want to send to them, once and for all?
Ha ha. You know what they do. I can only speak for ourselves. For us, it's not a question of money. It's a question of desire. We want Cesc to be with us but we want him as well to be happy with us. I have heard people say that we do not want to keep Cesc. We are desperate to keep Cesc. And we will fight for everything because you do not educate a player for eight years as we have done only to want him to go once he is at an age to deliver. We want to keep the team together.

The boldest official statement from Barcelona this summer came from the president Sandro Rosell when he said that Cesc was worth less now than what he bid for him last summer [£40m]?
That is disrespectful to Cesc. I rate Cesc so highly that for me, he is top, top, world class. He is certainly in the top five midfield players in the world.

In summary, if Cesc is not happy, you would let him go?
I want him to be happy and to stay.
That's the only way, he could get out. I don't think he's unhappy but he wants to go back to Barcelona. If we wanted to make a money situation and wanted to sell the player, we put him on the market and we ask "Who gives more?" But that would not be the conversation. For us, it's not a question of money. It is a question of Cesc wanting to be with us. And I think he is torn because he loves the club deeply. We will fight until the last second to keep him.

How important is it that you emerge from the transfer window with a bigger and stronger squad?
The message that we give out is important. For example, you see about Fábregas leaving, Nasri leaving. . . . . if you give that message out, you cannot pretend you are a big club. Because a big club, first of all, holds on to its big players and gives a message out to all the other big clubs that they cannot come in and take away from you.

You have big games at the start of the season before the window closes, including the Champions League qualifiers. . . .
I have a basic team in my head that can start the season and it is important as well to settle psychologically and that the players who are here focus on the season and not the transfer market. The players who are here will ask "Will he go, will he go?" That is not the way to prepare for the season.

Would a major signing convince the players who are ambivalent about staying?
What is very difficult for us is that as long as you do not know that this group stays together, you cannot strengthen the team because you think, "If he goes, I have to do what?" I also cannot really tell you [a transfer target], I want you because if he stays, you cannot come in. So you are in no man's land and that is terrible. That is why the transfer period basically should stop when the training starts.

So you need Fábregas to give you a quick answer, one by this week?
We have to stop at some stage. Cesc now comes back to training in London from a muscle injury so I hope we can close that very quickly. In our favour.

chamotex:
Young is hungry and will be itching to prove himself. His work-rate is as good as anyone in the team.
I'm still not totally convinced Young will be playing as a winger tho . . . do you?
I see him playing in a withdrawn attacking role/free role just as he did for Villa last season.

it depends on who is available to play. playing young in a withdrawn attacking role is keeping rooney/berbatov on the bench and there are no better 'number 10s' than this duo in the league. young will only play there if two of rooney, berba and chicharito are injured/suspended.

ashley young's strength is cutting in from the left and delivering those tasty crosses. he's so good at doing that and his set-piece is excellent as well. fergie knows what to do. all we need now is 2 dynamic midfielders and we are good to go! fletcher is still recovering. are we sure his virus isn't hiv?

JJM:
, u r unbelievable Coogar. You sure do have a "logical" and "truthful" explanation for all things fraudulent. What a joke!  .

lord of mercy. . . .

your name is miss j-jm. you got your international passport before you married mr coogar davidson.
do you sincerely think the name on your passport will automatically change into mrs j. davidson? i mean, is this so difficult to understand?

chamotex:
This guy will make us bucket loads of goals. . . no doubt about that.
I have a feeling Young will even displace Nani in the team. . . unless Nani can duplicate the form he showed mid-season last year.
Nani to me cant perform under pressure for a spot in the team. That is when he will start trying to do too much and doing 'over-skill'
And I'm sure Young will play in the 'big games' ahead of Nani cos of his work-rate and defensive abilities unlike Nani.

i disagree. . . . .

nani is the man for the big games. the only problem here is valencia is equally good in his own ways. nani is less effective when playing on the left flank. that is when you see him trying to piss about with the ball. on the right wing, nani is a beast. extremely talented with trickery and with 18 league assists last season, he showed he's come of age and can even do better if he gets run of games without shifting him to accommodate antonio.

the left side is a toss between park, young, obertan and giggs. . . . . nani and valencia will compete for the right hand side.

dayokanu:
You mean JS Park and Bebe in addition to Vidic and Rooney? Then you can make the cash 15m

vidic will cost more than any bayern player. rooney's fees will probably buy the allianz arena plus the toughest prison yard in germany.
accept bebe and park for bastian in a straight swap and we don't owe each other a penny.

ememoluwa:
I was very active sexually when I was single. Could Be Intimate with a lady, the moment she's living my place, am calling up another lady for another round of sex. There were scenes of ladies meeting themselves in my place hence resulting to cat fights. But what do I do in such situation, I call up the next girl and we meet somewhere cosy for sex. I love it.
But I always thought that the moment I get married, I will do away with the attitude.
Now am married to this angel, but I still cant help myself. I still call up my old girlfriends for sex. I tell my wife am going for a business trip  and I take a lady to some hotel and we'll have marathon sex for the whole of that period. I dont get home until after 11pm each day because I have to spend at least 2-3 hours with any of my numerous girls.
This is affecting my marraige but I cant seem to say no sometimes when these ladies call. My relationship right now with my wife is strained, because she has put 2 and 2 together.
Infact, all through the rains on sunday, I was in the arms of another woman.   Went back home after 12 midnight.

Maybe what I need is spiritual cleansing.

HELP

95% of the men out there are going through the same vibe. . . . .you are very normal and any sort of spiritual cleansing will turn you to a vegetable.

dollypi:
Cheating is not only limited to the s.exual act itself.

If a man doesn't sleep around, but has an emotional connection with another woman, would a wife be ok with that, since the man is not "cheating"?

If a man finds an intellectual connection with another woman that his wife can't provide, is the man cheating? will the wife accept that?

If you look at it that way, everyone who has ever fantasized about another woman or man, has cheated. I believe Jesus Christ said if you look lustfully at a woman, you have already committed f.ornication,or adultery (cheated) as the case may be.

If there are texts on your phone from another woman or another man that you would be afraid to allow your spouse see because of what the content implies about your relationship with that person, then you're already cheating.

Everyone saying they have been faithful to their spouses can only claim so if they do not

1.  Deliberately dwell on s.exual fantasies with other people in their minds.

2.  Maintain emotional outlets in other people apart from their spouse.

very intelligent post. . . . .the fact is a whole lot of men deceive themselves when it comes to this topic. many are living in self-denial they haven't cheated and yet they send ridiculous flirtatious texts/chat with numerous girls online and then tell themselves since they have not busted their nuts then they haven't cheated. truth is. . . . all men(married or single) are cheats!

claremont:
Anything Coogar says should be taken with a healthy dose of salt, whoever so passionately justifies fraud in whatever form remains dodgy until proven otherwise.

and you had to write that in size 12? seriously, mate. . . .you need to get a life. mister "no recourse to public funds"

dayokanu:
Are you sure you are not hearing strange voices at night? To get Schweinsteiger bring Rooney, Vidic and 20m

for bastian? js park and bebe should be a straight swap for bastian. . . . .

seyibrown:
  You think and write alike, and you have now logged on to two computers in that cybercafe! I am stting directly behind you!       gohome, coogar!

are you the sister behind me with a shady chewing stick in her mouth? i hail you o.

VolvoS60:
This thread is smoking!! 

Perhaps someone could put me through on something which isn't too clear to me. Why do Mrs. A and her husband (as reported so far) have different names? I don't know whether I have missed something here?

because bimbo must have had her international passport before she got married and she answers her maiden name on it.
the brits will identify her with the name on her passport not the mr and mrs whatever they bear in nigeria. it's a no brainer.

claremont:
I have always viewed Coogar with suspicion, talks like a very dodgy bloke

very dodgy but his intelligence compared to yours is akin to comparing einstein's brain power to that of a slug.

seyibrown:
Is gohome = coogar??    ! I am very suspicous of their 'his' NL movements and opinion on this matter!   

of course! i am gohome and bimbo's husband joined together. . . . .you can add a bit of siena and naijababe to it too.

it hasn't sunk yet that ashley young is now one of us. . . . .

berbatov can't be bothered about preseason. . . . .he is ready for the season.

Siena:
Brother Claremont, what part's drivel?

let him grapple at straws - he has been beaten hands down yet again so expect him to come up with more baseless theories![

claremont:
Absolute drivel !

you will sleep tonight having head/belly-aches knowing you have been owned. the next time you argue about immigration issues without having credible facts to back it up, i shall piss in your nostrils again and again and again.

[quote author=Intrepid! link=topic=710299.msg8688032#msg8688032 date=1310302155]I was going to write about something funny this week, but an event which occured yesterday forced my hand into changing the script. Everything you are going to read here is true, and I hope you guys will learn from my experience and not fall victim to fraudsters like a number of people already have, and others unfortunately will continue to be.

Thursday, July 6 2011 was one of those days when 3rd Mainland bridge was inexplicably clogged with cars. I was carless, so my friend picked me up from the office and we proceeded to the mainland. Roughly two hours later, we got to Anthony Village where I reside and I decided to use the ATM machine in the GT Bank branch which is situated near one of the two major bus-stops that service the area. Now, it was around 9.30pm and I didn't think it was fair to make my friend wait so I told her I was going to take a bike home so she left.

On getting to the atm gallery, I noticed that the first of the two machines was 'temporarily out of service' so I used the second one. I noticed that the card slot of the machine I was using had a funny looking receptacle but I shrugged my concerns aside and executed my transaction.

Just as I turned to leave, my 'spidey-sense' started tingling like crazy. I looked at the funny contraption that sat over the card slot with a more critical eye. It blended with the general colour scheme of the machine, I prodded and pulled it, and to my astonishment the thing fell off! I scrutinized it carefully, with no small measure of suspicion, The thing had some funny-looking chips embedded in it, and a port that appeared to connect it to a computer or some other device. Apparently, some motherfuckers placed the device there to extract the information on the debit cards of unsuspecting ATM users, which they use to clone their cards and raid their accounts. The fraudsters had blocked the card slot of the other machine with toothpicks to disable it and compel customers to use the machine where they had installed their device. My dad once got hit for 60 grand by some NaughtyPerson scammers who probably used the same methods. His loss was aggravated by the bank's uncooperative stance on the matter. They insisted that he had disclosed his details to a third-party and that they were not liable for any losses he had incurred.

When I was about to turn and leave, two women came into the bank to use the machine. I drew their attention to my discovery and we began searching for a bank security man to report the matter to. For some strange reason, we couldn’t find a single soul on the bank premises. As we stood there contemplating our next move, two shady looking males entered the bank premises. As soon as I saw them, I knew they were the fraudsters. They looked shifty, and eyed us suspiciously when they saw us standing near the machines. One of them asked me if the ATMs were working and I answered in the affirmative. As I answered, the ladies and I walked away and stood in front of the bank building. The fraudsters checked the machine for their ‘oil-well’ and when they couldn’t find it, they walked up to me and asked again, ‘bros, did you say the machine is working well? Shey there is no problem?’ By this time I was pretty irritated and I answered them sharply, ‘yes the machine is working, didn’t you hear me the first time?’

They appeared confused and unsure of the next move to make. They might have suspected that I was with their device but they really didn’t have any proof, especially given the fact that I concealed the device very carefully. They walked back to the ATM bank, and I took the opportunity to leave the banking premises and cross over to the other side of the road where there were a number of people and some illumination. After some two minutes, the two retards gave up their futile search and exited the bank. They walked past me and went into Anthony proper, possibly to go and give a report to their ‘Godfather’. I hope he gutted the two of them like fishes for losing a source of his ‘lau-lau’ money.

I was conscious of the fact that I was in great danger standing beside the road while I waited for a bike to take me home. The fraudsters could have gotten desperate and attacked me with the hope of finding the device on me. The idea of walking home was a non-starter as there were a number of dark places they could ambush me in and do me great harm. After some deep thought, I stopped a bike and asked him to take me home. I made sure I paid him in advance and I kept my eye over my shoulder for the entire duration of the journey. As soon as we got to the entrance gate of the estate where I reside in, I hopped off and darted inside. I trotted home and securely locked the gate behind me…

What the hell do I do with this device? Report the matter to the police who will find a way to implicate me and force me to give them bribes to secure my release; turn it over to the bank where I discovered it so some greedy-arse banker who is up to his teeth in loans converts the device to his use; or do I just destroy it?

www.chimezieokonkwo..com[/quote]this has been happening since like forever. . . . . .why can't nigerian banks put cctvs where people use the atm? it cannot be that expensive especially to banks who value the security of their customers and themselves.

as for the device, destroy it. if you return it to the police, you will have a lot to explain to them and even get arrested. their question would be why didn't you report the matter immediately it happened. coming to them after few days might implicate you and we all know how unreasonable nigerian policemen behave.

same expectation should be expected if you return it to the bank. they can get you nicked by the bank security officer and hold you down till the police arrives. you have put your sense of awareness to a good use. destroy the device and be more careful when you are using a cash machine. obviously, the fraudsters were waiting somewhere and reading what's being entered. . . . . .sometimes, they don't even tamper with the machine itself, they place a small camera(webcam) somewhere positioned to see what you are entering. . . .

justwise:

coogar let me say this to you for the last time. A single Nigerian student in the UK on degree or masters course pays at-least £15,000 a yr into the system and the same student is allowed to work and PAY-IN into the system AGAIN, so a student is entitled to health care treatment.

put your eyes on the ball. what about the students whose parents told them not to work. their upkeep are wired to them from nigeria by their rich parents. the parents have told them not to work so they can concentrate on their studies here. what do those pay back into the system? think like a grown man, abeg.

seyibrown:
Stop insulting Nigeria! Facilities to nurse prematurely-born babies exist (private hospitals, and limited in public hospitals)and they can be nursed to health at a fraction of what it costs in the UK!

facilities to nurse multiple births exist in nigeria? has there ever been a case of surviving quintuplets in the history of nigeria. at least one of the kids or the mother must die. we don't even have competent doctors who are skilled to that level and we don't have the power supply to keep those babies breathing.  if you think nigeria is the dog's bollocks, when you get pregnant - go to nigeria and deliver your baby.

Students are 'resident' (note not 'ordinarily resident' as with ILR or LLR though), while Visitors are just visiting!

so indulge me, please. . . . .visitors are just visiting but some get 5 yrs visiting visa albeit they have to return every 6 months. . . .so a visitor comes in every 6 months, rents a flat, pays council tax, road tax, tv license cos he watches bbc free on his own tv and you are telling me he's not paying back into the system? the system is very faulty. resident or no residents. . . . .

justwise:
You are unbelievable, i rather waste the remaining time consulting the oracle on your behalf than arguing more.

move over then. . . . .let me deal with the anti-bimbo twits on these pages. . . .
i dunno why nigerians choose to be blind to bare facts staring at them in the faces?

is the system faulty or not? no one has answered that. . . .
what is the difference between students who don't pay taxes with no recourse to public funds and visitors with no recourse to public funds?
why can't the british embassy in nigeria ensure applicants on visitor's visa provide a sound health insurance scheme that can easily be verified?

if y'all cannot provide answers to these questions, then y'all must be having a pipe dream accusing bimbo of defrauding the system.

seyibrown:

You are one very funny man! A NIGERAN man impregnates his NIGERIAN wife who bought pills that ought to have been controlled by the NIGERIAN GOVT in NIGERIA and they trick the BRITISH NHS into birthing their NIGERIAN KIDS for free. Why should BRITISH Cameron and NHS be the one to pay for this very NIGERIAN MATTER?      When did Nigeria come under ECJ jurisdction?  

because it is the british cameron that would have sent those children to their deaths! he will be culpable and since the decision to send the children to their deaths was made in england(an european country), e-c-j will have something to say about it.

justwise:
What a nightmare are u having thinking that David Camera will resign if those kids are deported and something happened to them? I don't see them been deported until they are strong enough to fly but if even they are deported and things went wrong, David Camera will still finish his premiership term.

if twitter n facebook can remove the president of egypt, cameron will resign should something happen to bimbo's kids in nigeria. cameron must know it's the facilities in this country that kept those babies alive and that same facility does not exist in nigeria. heaven forbid it, sending those children to naija is akin to sending them to death. . . . .the whole world is watching. c ameron cannot be as obdurate as c laremont though to send em back(even though their names start with "c"!

claremont:
Coogar, do you even know the difference between a UK Resident and a UK Visitor?! or do you just prefer to dwell in your monumental ignorance?

i don't know the difference but i know you are a consummate reta[i]r[/i]d who cannot see the system is wrong with the whole "no recourse to public funds" technicality and a system that does not ensure visitors from nigeria get an adequate health insurance scheme when coming to the uk.

claremont:
Coogar seems to prefer ranting on and on like a completely blind mad elf.
Obviously, Coogar refused to see the word "primarily" in the above statement before blindly rushing in for the kill like an Amazonian crocodile. NHS planners "primarily" designed the NHS for persons who make contributions to it and are UK residents. Secondary provisions are made in the NHS plan to absorb any redundancies such as the Bimbo's case and other cases of persons who use the NHS without having made any contribution to it.

except that they did not. . . . . health is free in the united kindgom. it's their number one mantra. public health is free. stop painting these people black. if provisions are made for redundancies like bimbo and similar cases, why have you then labelled her a fraud for the past 10 pages? does that not contradict the charge you have brought against her, you stark illiterate?

so it is now you just recalled human right act supercedes immigration status? hang your head in shame. for the second time running, i have mopped your entire face on the toilet bowl filled with human faeces. you kept claiming no recourse to public funds is the reason bimbo should be gaoled but the same ish is on your visa whether you are paying taxes or not.

seyibrown:
]The system is not faulty, it is fair. Both classes know beforehand what they are allowed to do or not do! If it is not a fair system why do the visitors not protest this condition when applying for or collecting their visas

protest? do the brits make nigerian coming in with visitors' visa provide any sort of health insurance scheme before sticking their visas on their passports? if they were doing that instead of just charging migrants exorbitant prices, at least an insurance company in nigeria would have covered bimbo's medical bills.

my friend, the system is faulty and it serves the brits right this time. . . . .they are more concerned about making money in nigeria(the busiest british embassy in the world by a distance) than caring about an important issue like the health insurance.

justwise:
I don't want those kids to be sent back to Nigeria until they are fit, but my point is this. . if even the immigrant sent they back and anything happens to they. . David Camera will not resign as a result of that.

the child protecting service and european court of justice will bring him more grievance than a black mamba possessed by demons. these are the issues that can unhinge any politician. would you want the casket of 5 innocent kids to rest on your conscience if you are in cameron's shoes? take some water and think about it.

claremont:
Sorry for the delay, apparently I was banned by the anti-spam BOT. I will respond to the fallacious claims of Cooger et al shortly.

you are a tool. open your passport and check your students visa - you have no recourse to public funds so stop going to nhs to treat your staphylococcus. ask your cousins in lagos to send you correct agbo!

seyibrown:
. . . at its discretion!

they no longer have a choice!  they must grant bimbo at least another six months! those children will not fly until the doctors say so and since bimbola's visa has expired, the home office cannot leave her without a status. it's either they kick her out now(when her kids cannot fly) or grant her an extension till when her kids can fly. the home office are powerless.

The bolded bits show the difference in both women's situations. One was not labelled a scrounger because HER MEDICAL COST WERE PAID FOR. Bimbo has not paid and is now trying to deceive the UKBA that she has no support back in Nigeria. The Nigerian Government can take over the care of Mother and Babies at this point! The UK has borne a great deal of this matter!

bimbo not paying is not the issue here. . . . .the single most important factor now is how soon can those kids get on an airplane. if it takes a year, there's absolutely nothing the secretary of state or david cameron can do about it. bimbo will either get another 6 months stay or get a month by month extension till her babies can fly and our taxes will keep bimbo and her babies cosy until then.

justwise:
Yes those children has mum and daddy, they are orphans, their parents are not here to seek asylum, apparently those kids have wealthy parent, those kids and their mum are not running away from war or economic hardship.

neither are they from america or canada. they are from nigeria(a 3rd world country where the average citizen spends £1/day). the brits are aware of that fact and they are also aware of the disgraceful health system in nigeria and they will not put those kids' lives at risk because of some dubious immigration rules that might come back to bite their arses later.

seyibrown:
I am glad you posted your link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7094945.stm

Did you miss the bolded bits?

what has the bolded bit gotta do with the story?

the fact that they had to pay for the costs means they were on a visitor's visa from russia cos russia is not part of the eu(european union) and yet the hospital said the children will only fly when they are strong enough. they were not given extended stay because they were able to pay their medical bills. bimbo will only go to nigeria when her children are strong enough to fly and since her visa has already expired, the home office must grant her an extension.

seyibrown:
The UK is a very generous country but should not be taken for a ride!! [/b]

absolutely! which was why i initially said it's the system that is faulty not bimbo in the previous pages. a situation where holders of students visa, work permit visas, etc have no recourse to public funds and yet they get free medical health is a bit shady. . . .visitors have this clause on their visas too so where do you then draw the line. claremont feels because he pays taxes, he is better off than the visitors but what about students who don't work and have never contributed national insurance/taxes because they have rich parents in nigeria, are those entitled to free medics too?

it seems there are so many fraudulent nigerians on students visa in the uk afterall.

justwise:
A massive[b] might[/b], i can bet my last dollar that nothing will happen even if (God forbid) any of the kid dies in Nigeria as a result of deportation. Britain has deported a cancer patient from Ghana and she died few months after but nobody resigned, a Congolese man died last yr while being deported , who resigned? Nobody.

these are children, not adults. children whose lives are still frail because of the condition by which they were born. i repeat, children!!!

seyibrown:
Bimbo will not arrested or deported until her application for extension of her Visa has been decided. The decision reached on her application will determine whether she will be arrested and deported or have her visit visa extended. I doubt that a visitor's visa will be extended on the basis that the vistor needs 'extend' their use the NHS for free having already used it when they had NO RIGHT to, and continue to have no right to use it. Her covering up the reason she came to the UK wll also borne in mind.  However, her visa can still be extended at the discretion of the Home Office!

i am impressed. . . . . .but take a look at this case.

Doctors said the prospects for the babies surviving was now good as the main danger had come immediately after birth.

The hospital said the babies will be cared for in this country until they are strong and well enough to return to Russia with their parents.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7094945.stm

lemme also add this. if britain kicks bimbola out of the united kingdom and heaven forbid, something happens to one of her children in nigeria, david cameron might have to resign. the child protection services in the united kingdom will have a feast on cameron's carcass and the european court of justice will make an example of britain.  you guys think this is nigeria where children have no right, huh? or accommodating bimbola forever in britain will suddenly cripple britain economically? you guys don't have a prayer.

seyibrown:
The OVERALL CONDITIONS  of Student Visas are different to those of Visitors. Ordinary Visitors are expected to pay for their health care costs! Private Medical Care Visitors are expected to show that they can afford to pay for the treatment they are going to take. Even Brits take out health insurance when visiting other countries!

overall conditions? you people will twist facts to suit your arguments. which overall conditions? ask around and see if there has ever been a case of accident & emergency wards refusing anyone legal/illegal immigrants medical help in the history of the united kingdom. a visitor and someone on a students visa have no recourse to public funds(as boldly stated on their visas) and don't tell me every student in the united kingdom works.

some students(mostly chinese and elite nigerians) have never done a day's job as their upkeep/fees are wired to them by their parents or guardian they pay no taxes cos they don't work and yet they get free medical services when it's boldly written on their visas they have no recourse to public funds. . . . .let's arrest those ones on fraudulent charges first before bothering about bimbola(a nursing mother).

claremont:
, deservedly so because I pay taxes for it. The NHS is primarily designed for persons who make contributions towards it, which apparently Bimbo and her cohorts are not. This is the underlying crux of this argument, how that is so difficult for you to understand is totally beyond me

the nhs is not primarily designed for persons who make contribution towards it. britain is not america. i reiterate the nhs will treat anyone(legal/illegal migrants) living in this country medically if that individual goes into any accident & emergency ward or any walk-in centre. it is a human right to get medical attention in an emergency situation. immigration status has no say in that.

https://salfordstudents.com/files/visa.jpg

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the above are copies of the united kingdom students visa. . . . .clearly written there is "no recourse to public funds". this particular student just like you and other hundreds of thousands of foreign students in the united kingdom get free medical treatment even when it's stated on their visas they have no recourse to public funds. human right act supercedes recourse to public funds, you stark illiterate.

claremont:
Rational thinking, right?! So the "rationality" of your thinking did not allow you to decipher the meaning of "No Work or Recourse to Public Funds"?!

no work or recourse to public funds is a law but even an immigration lawyer will tell you there are exceptions. . . .bimbo(an immigrant) having quintuplets in the united kingdom is an exception. her human rights must kick in. the brits will not turn back anyone needing medical treatment in accident and emergency. they uphold that human rights act to the "T" and it takes more priority than the "no work or recourse to public funds" anybody living in the united kingdom(legally or illegally) will walk into any accident & emergency ward or any walk-in centre and get free medical attention. those free treatments are being funded by the same public funds, you stark illiterate!!!

Moreover, you keep on harping on and on about "knowing immigration laws more than Brits themselves", where is it stated that someone must be a Brit/American/Canadian to understand basic immigration fraud?

if you have been living in the uk for long, you would know it's pitiful to even think david cameron will sign the deportation order of bimbo.

or is the phrase "knowing immigration laws more than Brits themselves" an attempt to prove some form of callous superiority over others in this argument since you have already failed woefully to convince people on the rationality of fraud?! "knowing immigration laws more than Brits themselves" my black a*rse

your problem is your literacy or the lack of it. "no recourse to public funds" is specifically targeted at migrants who aim at getting housing benefits/giro/etc from the dwp. if you are not an obdurate fellow, you should have know by now(especially after living here for x number of years) that "no recourse to public funds" is also a condition on students visa, work permit visas, etc. so why ain't you a fraudulent individual if you have it on your students visa/work permit visa and you are getting medical treatment for free from the nhs?

claremont, you are not so smart afterall - that's the final nail on your coffin in this debate. upholding the basic human rights in the united kingdom takes priority over "no recourse to public funds" . no hospital in the united kingdom(even the ones run by bnp zombies) will turn down a pregnant illegal immigrant needing emergency treatment because she is not paying any tax in the country. that will defeat the purpose of having the human rights act.

capice?

claremont:
Of course, your stand in supporting illegality and fraud will have been the same and solidly resolute!

you keep saying bimbo is illegal but she's yet to be nicked. it seems you know the immigration laws more than the brits themselves. the same immigration rules that told you david cameron(not even the secretary of state  ) signs deportation orders of illegal immigrants.
how idle david cameron must be!!!

naijababe:
The question is 'would Claremont care' ?

who cares what claremont thinks? he feels david cameron will sign bimbola's deportation papers next week. does that not tell you that rational thinking is not humanly impossible for the poor lad?

medjai:
Colombia and Spain were the favourites for the 94 and 98 world cups respectively. . . It's more about quality and form than history. Besides, Brazil had finished as runners up and also finished in third place in previous editions.
I doubt there was ever a time when Brazil werent a force in football.

they were never a force before 1958. they had been eliminated by hungary in the previous edition of the world cup so they were just potential that were just to blossom.

Garrincha was talented but irresponsible to the team but what of Didi? He's one of the greatest players of all time and was perhaps the best midfielder/playmaker of that era. He was the player of the tournament in the '58 world cup.
There was also Vava who was a renowned goal-machine and Djalma Santos was one of the stand out players in the '54 world cup

didi and vava became stars only after they had won the world cup in 1958. until then they were regular footballers people didn't pay attention to.
the major stars in that brazilian team in the 58 world cup were garrincha and young pele.

claremont:
Cheerz mate, I couldn't have said the above highlighted words better myself

never seen a more obdurate fellow. sarcasm sef pass your iq! na wa.