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NAN recalls that the UK government in March announced new immigration rules which stated that any overseas visitor owing more than 1,000 pounds under the NHS will not be allowed into the country until the debt was paid off.
It also stipulated more robust procedures for charging foreign nationals who use the NHS.

Those Nigerians who are in support of this Lady's actions should recognize that the singular action of this lady may have put to jeopardy the future plans of your wives and sisters to have their babies in the UK. In addition, legitimate immigrants living in the UK (students, post-study workers, e.t.c.) may now have to pay through their noses to benefit from the NHS even though their taxes are being used to fund it. The future implications of what this selfish lady did is analogous to a dam of water that has previously received a lot of cracks and is on the verge of collapse, this lady may have just hit the final death knell on that dam and it has come tumbling down with calamitous consequences for all of us.

stop shifting the blame to score cheap brownie points. the united kingdom had already issued new immigration rules concerning nhs before bimbola had her quintuplets. she's not the cause of the jeopardy that might affect your wives and sisters in future.

dayokanu:
Man Utd of 1999 was not a star studded team, Brazil of 1958 was!!

except that they weren't. . . . .a team no one gave hope and needed the help of pele in the knock-out stages to win the trophy.
in that same season, pele scored 66 goals in 46 apps in the domestic league. there was a reason brazil took him to the world cup even with his inexperience.

You cant tell us a whole Brazil went to the world cup putting ntheir burden on a 17yr old shoulder.

but for pele, brazil was nearly eliminated by wales in the q/finals.

Several factors contribute to how great a team is, Fat ronaldo had Cafu, Carlos, Rivaldo who were absolutely world class, Add Ronaldinho too. Messi's national team has a weakness which is not related to Messi himself.

how so? tevez? aguero? higuain? mascherano? cambiasso? di maria? milito? and it's not messi's fault? whose fault then?
messi has better team-mates than maradona did for argentina and we saw the difference.

The best player in the EPL last season by a distance.

and that makes him world class??
nani struggled with his form in the last 3 months of the season - he didn't even make the united's starting xi in the big games when valencia got back into the team.

You dont have to be a defender to nod balls defensively, Canavaro, Ayala, Vidic and Terry are potent aerially even on their wrong side of the field

so shearer, batistuta and bierhoff were better headers defensively than fat ronaldo?
your argument is laughable!

dayokanu:
The fact of the matter is Pele played in a star studded team, Vava, Didi, Garrncha and Mario Zagallo played alongside Pele in 1958 That is an all star team, pele has never carried a whole team on his shoulder.

they weren't a star-studded team. it was after they won the tournament that people paid attention to them. at the start of 98/99 season, would you have claimed man utd played with a star-studded team? yorke? cole? solskjaer? beckham? of course not! it was after they won the treble that fans now saw the spirit and the quality of the team. pele never carried his team single-handedly in the same degree as garrincha(58), maradona(86) but he isn't as shyte as messi when playing for national team.

Thats why its said that only GARRINCHA AND MARADONA have singlehandedly won a World cup, Not Pele

you are the one making your own argument here. . . .i mentioned beckenbauer, zidane, fat ronaldo. . . . .they did not singlehandedly win a world cup but they performed for their respective national teams. messi is yet to show for argentina and to qualify as a great player in the degree of fat ronaldo, pele and maradona. . . . .messi must show more bottle for argentina.

Which shows they have a very balanced team 3 World class Defenders, a World class midfielder in Nani Should be enough to do anything for Portugal.

nani is world class? really?

France 1998 final Ronaldo was detailed to mark Zidane in corners and we knew how that match up ended.

i never knew fat ronaldo was a defender in france 98. . . . . dayo, you embarrass yourself when you come up with claims like this. fat ronaldo's aerial prowess was judged from what he did at the other end of the pitch not when he was detailed to head defensively. how many strikers are good defensive headers. you make me laugh.

Luis nazario de Lima

check the video clip in my previous post!

[quote author=Alaba_Slim link=topic=187701.msg8672870#msg8672870 date=1310070151]'m a UNITED FAN
@coogar no disrespect ooo don't cm here & tel mi dat Maradona doesn't nid a Team 2 play beta.
tel mi is Maradona a GOLF or TENNIS PLAYA were u play alone?
Its a known FACT dat No futbol Playa on Planet earth eva succeded witout d help of his Team mates,@least a playa wit pass d ball 2 u or cook d Food veri wel 4 u.
i agree messi can't b compared 2 cruff & d rest BUT he is BETA dan ronaldo eniday enitym[/quote]until cristiano plays for barcelona, i will never accept this statement.

dayokanu:
Thats Garricha as described in the 1958 World cup

and yet it was pele that scored 6 goals in that world cup at a tender age of 17. . . .the only goal against wales in the quarter-final, hatirck against france in the semis and a brace against sweden in the final. 6 goals in 3 important matches of a world cup and he was only 17.

Pele finished the tournament with six goals in four matches played, tied for second place, behind record-breaker Just Fontaine, and was named young player of the tournament.
It was in the 1958 World Cup that Pelé began using a number 10 t-shirt that immortalized him. Recently it is known that the event was the result of disorganization: the leaders didn't send the shirt numbers of players and it was up to FIFA to choose the number 10 shirt to Pele, who was a substitute on the occasion. The press of the time cataloged Pelé as the greatest revelation of the 1958 Cup.

Portugal has Pepe, Carvalho, Nani, Coentrao These are top rated players in European football So whats Ronaldos excuse for wack performance

i would have taken your list serious if 3 of the players listed are not defenders.

Didnt we watch Ronaldo, alongside Batistuta, Shearer and Bierhoff? Its obvious to everyone that Ronaldos aerial game is very average.

tell me a situation where a delightful cross was put in the box and ronaldo miscued his chance. just one incident in about 100 games ronaldo played for brazil. the truth is brazil don't play like england, argentina or germany. they pass the ball around and they don't do the cross from the flanks looking for someone to head into the net.


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a compilation of some of ronaldo lima's headers and his application was as good as shearer, bierhoff and batistuta. if rooney could learn to head, then you should know fat ronaldo wouldn't have found it difficult to score headers. it's just that he never really played with teams that deploy wing play like most english teams.

Take a Ronaldo vs Rivaldo situation

Rivaldo is better with headers, better with freekicks, Better with long range shots, But the little things Ronaldo does , He does it much better that it outweighs the here and there skills Rivaldo has

which of the ronaldos are we discussing here? lima or cristiano?

dayokanu:
1958 Brazil had Didi, Vava, Garricha and Djamal Santos.

pele was better than each and everyone of the players on your list in 1958. get the clips on youtube and watch.

Garrincha alone was more important to that team and according to world cup folklore, Only Maradona and Garrincha can be said to have won the world cup "Singlehandedly"

garrincha ws the star of the tournament in 1962 not 1958 when pele stole the show.

Now to Cristiano Ronaldo,
Tell me what Cristiano Ronaldo Produced in the World cup playing CIV, North Korea kind of teams?

that's the argument. argentina are a far better team than portugal and yet the bestest player in the world(messi) is producing rubbish for them. this same argentina have di maria, tevez, milito, aguero, mascherano, etc and they got destroyed in the world cup and were taken apart by columbia last night.

True you can say Ronaldo does everything Freekick headers etc but the only thing Messi does, he does it better,

that is not my point. . . . .my point is ronaldo carries any team he plays for on his shoulder. when he was in england, the gist was he can only do it in england cos premier league defenders are rubbish and he would be found out in spain. some school of thoughts even said he won't be the main man in real madrid as there are better players there. . . .fast forward 2 years and he has become the icon of real madrid with players like kaka, benzema, etc taking the back seat. ronaldo is a natural leader, messi is not.

Ronaldo Lima isnt good at freekicks neither is he good at headers yet he is centuries better than Strikers like Shearer, Bierhoff and batistuta who are "More rounded"

ronaldo lima in his prime is better than any striker in the history of association football. . . . .what makes you think he's not better at headers than shearer, bierhoff and batistuta? because brazil does not play with natural wingers who cross the ball into the box like england and germany now mean ronaldo lima is not good at it? is there anything ronaldo lima isn't good at? i don't buy that argument. . . . .

besides, i am not even talking about headers/freekicks. . . . .i am talking about how cristiano can mix and match it and adapt to any system. ronaldo will play for stoke and score goals, he will play for barcelona and he will still score goals. i don't see messi coping with a team like stoke cos messi loves it tiki-taka. in the national team where he does not have the brilliance of xavi and iniesta, he's looked a shadow of the player we saw last season in barcelona. there's a huge gulf between barcelona's messi and argentina's messi - and that gulf is the reason he can never compare to diego maradona or the other european greats!

[quote author=Mr_TA link=topic=567773.msg8671053#msg8671053 date=1310053215]I'm sorry but the bookings thing with tiote is an issue.a lot of them were picked up for very very brainless acts which can become a liability at the highest level.we were willing ton put up with it with Scholes,but he's gone now so no need to keep chalking up the bookings and playing with a liability, part of Makelele's talent was avoiding silly bookings. Plus he's good player but really not that good.[/quote]the bookings are tiote's job. break the play and put in good tackles when you have to. rafael/fabio are card magnets but we have coped to live with them. tiote won't be any different - he will be learning under the greatest club manager. he's also young - with time, he will play confidently without the unnecessary tackles. i like tiote's honest and hardworking attributes. . . . .he's the one for the future.

dayokanu:
Then you can also scratch Pele out of it as he played in a largely star studded team.

Moreover this thread is about Cristiano Ronaldo and Messi

pele won a world cup for brazil @ 17! that brazilian team had no stars and pele was the star of the team. messi for argentina is utterly useless. without xavi and iniesta, leo messi is very ordinary. i watched as he laboured for 90 mins without producing anything of note. the late freekick he had to change the game was kicked to row-z.

cristiano can play in every team. he tries to carry the team, he commands, he helps, he scores, he passes, he does the freekicks. he does not need a system, or playing time with the team. he is just outstanding, good in every team but not as good as messi at barca(which i am now convinced is due to xavi and iniesta).

messi needs a total system. every step planned, like a swiss-clockwork. if he finds all this, he is the best player in the world. there is only one hook, he can only play for barcelona and maintain that scary dominance on the pitch

if any of the big clubs were to buy messi, he will suck. however, ronaldo would go to any league and own the field again.
and this is why many would prefer ronaldo any time over leo messi. technically, you need to have the time to build a hardcore system over years and years, which is obviously not going to happen before messi can flourish.

messi has played full 180 mins against hapless teams and he was shyte throughout. putting a performance worse than oshea would cop against a big team and people say he's the best player to have ever played the game. . . .big fallacy. go and watch cryuff, beckenbauer, fat ronaldo, zidane, maradona, etc and see how they inspire team-mates(country/club)

StarBoard:
The guy is too u.gly. . .
Seriously,Tiote can't be too hard to prise from Newcastle if we wanted to get him.Right now their team is in turmoil,and we could cash in on that.Nolan left for West Ham (!-that's how bad he wanted to leave,for only 4m),Barton is shopping himself around. . .[b]Fergie can't be having such a hard time identifying targets. . .
The latest I hear is that [/b]he's linked with Moussa Sissoko (whom I've seen just once) of Toulouse. . .

except that tiote has signed a 300-yr contract with newcastle some weeks ago. i was devastated when i heard the news. i dunno why no top four team is looking at this dude. he is the closest makelele clone in europe.

no one should ever dare putting messi on par with the likes of pelé, cruyff, beckenbauer, platini, maradona and zidane. when it comes to carry a team almost alone on his shoulders and make it play better, messi is light years behind the players i have named.

i don't think i've ever seen such a big case of jekyll and hyde when looking at the difference of performances for his club vs. his performances on the national team.

another average performance from messi. he's nothing without xavi and ineista. maradona make teams better. he doesn't need a team to make him better.

messi is the best player ever my right foot!

StarBoard:
Nasri's defensive abilities of lack of them is why I'm not so convinced he is what we need.Besides,he's primarily a left sided midfielder(in Coogar's terms,a specialized player just like all Arsenal players).Over last season,Nani provided more assists than he,so in that regard he might not give us anything new.Admitedly he's likely to get the other goal or two but we need someone who can boss the middle,probably like a Modric. . .though Moddy seems bent on moving to Chelsea. . .

i dunno why fergie is suddenly after nasri. samir is lazy defensively and he's a specialist. we don't need specialists in that united midfield, we need rugged defenders like scholes/hargreaves/fletcher mode. players who are offensively decent and defensively monstrous. yes, nasri is ridiculously creative but when we don't have the ball, he will be a massive liability.

how did we let cheihk tiote slip through our fingers?

Siena:
I'm loving this!

Bimbo can have my share of taxes to make sure her quins get the best possible care. I'm a British taxpayer too, and reserve the right to decide what my money should be used for. For Bimbo, a lady who's had premature quintuplets who need care, rather than lining the pockets of some fat-cat, crooked and greedy British MP's, who don't need any more money, yet are claiming expenses for homes they don't live in, mortgages that have been paid off years ago, first-class trips that were never taken etc. The list is endless.

Or senseless wars in other countries that are not justifiable. What the heck? For every British taxpayer that feels Bimbo should not benefit from their money, there are those that are in favour of her, myself included. It's not about supporting what she did, more a case of seeing why she did it!

hi five, mr siena. . . . .
i am a british taxpayer as well and bimbo can have my share of taxes over and over again.

AjanleKoko:
People hardly 'flash' these days.
International calls cost an average of N12 per minute, or 20k per second. Why flash?

are you really serious? 12 naira per minute now in lagos? life must be good then. . . .

JJM:
@ Coogar, unless you are really her husband or complicit in her plan, you are equally as in the dark as I am with regards what the true story is. You seem to be ferociously arguing her case whilst claiming all you know is what you have read.

of course, i am bimbo's husband. . . . .i actually impregnated her and i knew she would be having 5 kids the night i slept with her.
bush man mentality - so because i am arguing in favour of bimbo makes me her husband automatically. you will work as a cleaner for a lonnnng time.

BTW Coogar, you do not have to be dying to apply for a medical visa. Medical visa encompasses alot of things from cosmetic surgery, having a baby to life threatening surgeries. There is also absolutely no need for a learned person to throw in cheap insults when putting forward a different opinion or argument. I will therefore not even dignify your cheap and subtle insults with a response.

this is so laughable. . . .i did not insult you madam. . . . .i am just letting you see what your one-eyed bitterness cannot see.

Bimbo bought fertility drugs at a pharmacist and must have known it carried a high risk of multiple births(unless she wants to claim illiteracy) FACT

she has suffered several miscarriages in nigeria. she bought fertility drugs to get herself pregnant. there's a high risk of multiple births but it's not absolute. for bimbo to be accused as a fraud, there has to be a certainty she was having multiple births - do you have any proof she knew she would have multiple births?

Bimbo knew she was pregnant(the number of babies is immaterial at this stage) when she was at the very least applying for the visitors visa FACT

the number of babies is not immaterial? matter of fact, the number of babies is the crux of the matter. if she had delivered just one child, she would have paid for the medical bill cos the amount involved would have been little and she wouldn't have expected the nhs to foot her bills.

Bimbo failed to apply for the correct visa applicable to her circumstance FACT
The requirements for applying for Medical treatment visa are more stringent as suppose to a visitors visa FACT

she did not. . . . .as at the time she applied for her visa, she was fit and very healthy. bimbo must have had ante-natal treatments before she delivered. she must have paid for them because she does not have the white nhs card and this is what you and your cohorts cannot see.

Bimbo (conveniently) prematurely had her babies whilst in the UK on her visitors visa FACT

that was her intention from the word go - she never lied about that. she preferred having them here than having them in nigeria.

Bimbo has accessed public funds(£1 0r £1million) she is not entitled to FACT

yes she has accessed public funds that wasn't her fault. a problem that would have arisen either way whether she got the correct visa or not. people who come here on medical visa do not prove they have more than £200k before they were issued visas. which means, even if bimbo had applied for what you deem the correct visa, she would still have accessed public funds(£1 or £1million)

Bimbo has not returned to Nigeria since giving birth FACT

the condition of those children is delicate. i doubt the nhs would even let her travel with them. she had 5 kids for crying out loud. and if bimbo is breaching the uk laws, why isn't she in the deportation camp as we speak? why is the uk border agency looking at her case and deliberating on it. it's because they know it's a complex case with innocent children involved. she will get an extension and there's nothing you or anyone can do about it.

Bimbo is now working as an Avon lady which indicates that she has no intention of returning to Nigeria anytime soon FACT

which is not true. has avon's human resources manager admitted bimbo is one of their employees or agent?

Bimbo now claims her husband has abandoned her and the children FACT

she did not! her husband had to return to his work. he's a civil engineer in nigeria and he will not leave his job to stay with bimbo in the united kingdom.

Bimbo also claims she has no support network in Nigeria FACT

her 3 sisters are here, isn't it? the condition of her beloved children are delicate. the infant mortality rate in nigeria is high. bimbo would be very silly to go to nigeria at this point in time. if she gets another 6 months extension, then she can return. for now, let those kids get quality medical aid before they return(of course at the expense of the public purse)

Contrary to your assertion, Bimbo has committed a crime by breaching the Immigration Rules-Working(Avon na work) contrary to the conditions of her visitor's visa and having recourse to public funds, again contrary to the conditions of her visitor's visa. A breach of the Immigration Rules is a crime!!!

until avon admits they interviewed and employed bimbo as their staff, you are telling porkies. until you prove bimbo collects payslips and contributes national insurance contributions, these claims are fake. relying on what her neighbour said is not credible enough to convict bimbo. the uk border force are not silly - if all you have claimed is correct, bimbo should be in deportation camp now.

Conclusion based on the above and leaving sentiments out of it, She is a fraud and my main crux(I keep saying this) is that it may affect other Nigerians future visa application. Nobody is perfect(God knows we all have our little skeletons in the cupboard)  but lets call a spade a spade and when it comes to consequences of ones action, we can mitigate it with sentiments to reduce the sentence but stop trying to justify the actual wrong doing!

conclusion based on information plucked from the stratosphere. for your conclusion to be correct, it has to be based on facts. your conclusion is based on conjectures, lies and vast amount of misinformation. bimbo paid for her ante-natal treatments. if her bill didn't rack up to £200,000, she would have paid it. she's not a fraud! while you are here complaining, dwp is arranging her 6-bedroom house in tottenham. . . .with 3 social care workers and weekly stipends and i am loving it!

SYMBILI:
Not your problem? You go remain for NL till your old age na dey type from thread to thread . .dey judge so-so case.
You guys are the most quarellsome tribe in Nigeria. FACTS! Anywhere you are. . .CYBER OR OFF CYBER. . .THERE IS NO PEACE. Only violence and more violence.

how can that be true when you have the ijaws/itshekiri thugs in the same country. . . . .truth is, there's domestic violence everywhere you go in the world - the igbos have just taken it into a whole new level by hacking registered nurses in america.

JJM:
@Coogar, you have totally contradicted your argument and I am afraid your point has gotten lost in interpretation. Seyibrown said it all in response to your post. Bimbo WILL NOT have been given a visitors visa if she had told the ECO she was coming here to have a baby. She would have had to prove that she had the funds to pay for the birth etc and be granted a visa for Private medical treatment.

she would have had to prove she had the funds to pay for the birth which she could have provided. neither the eco nor bimbo knew she was coming to the uk to deliver5 children? how much would she have expected to show if she was having just one child? £200,000? can you now see how obtuse you and seyibrown are? the issue here is no visa officer would have known bimbo was coming to pop out 5 kids. . . .she could have gotten the same visa for private medical treatment and it wouldn't have changed what eventually happened. the highest they can expect bimbo to show she has in her account would be £10,000. . . . .but her bill was £200,000 so what has changed?

Clearly Bimbo did not have enough funds to get the proper visa and cunningly planned to get a visitors visa and get in through the back door. This is fraud and will only make things difficult for future applicants. Please address that rather than tap into emotions that in my view is wasted on Bimbo's case.

how much funds are we talking about here? how did you know bimbo did not have enough funds to get the proper visa? are you psychic or bimbo's bank manager in oceanic bank?

We are only giving our opinion with the little information we have read in the papers, we certainly do not know all the gory details but based on what I have read, She planned this all along and purely because of the implications it may have for our other Nigerians, I am against what she did. Happy for her that she and her children are safe but boy, s[b]he is a fraud![/b]

something you have failed to prove. i can as well call you a fraud because of the pigment of my imagination. . . .
you do not know how much bimbo has in her account before travelling. . . .you are only guessing.
you just said here you have given your opinion on the little information you have read in the papers, it simply means 90% of your opinion is based on guesses. you cannot guess in court to convict/accuse someone as fraudulent. you have to prove beyond reasonable doubt that bimbo was fraudulent. anything short of that cannot be taken serious.

seyibrown:
On one hand, you say she would have been granted the visa if she had told the embassy was going to  the UK with the intention of having her baby there  . ,   on a Visitor's visa?? and then on the other hand it would be right to have sent her back if found to be pregnant. Which one you dey?    There is no denying the fact that she had the option of declaring her intentions and applying for the relevant SPECIAL VISITORS VISA (PRIVATE MEDICAL TREATMENT) but instead applied for a ordinary visitors visa, thereby, deceiving the issuing officer

you should go and take lessons on how to put your points articulately. . . .

why should bimbo apply for special visitors visa(private medical treatment) when she was fit and healthy as at the time she applied for her visa? what was her ailment then? would she have known she was coming to the united kingdom to deliver 5 babies when she was only 2 months gone? that is the hypocrisy of your theory - you are making it sound bimbo knew from the very word go she was coming here to deliver 5 kids - she never knew!

i dunno why you keep muddling ma points together. first issue i raised was bimbo would have been given a visitor's visa if she had told the embassy she was coming to the uk to have a child. she might have been asked to prove she could afford the medical bills but you cannot stop a female visitor from coming to england to deliver a child. the child does not become a british citizen so there's no reason to deny any woman coming to england to have a baby. i see loads of people from the middle east coming to london to have their kids on their visitor's visa and since this incident happened, more nigerians have come to england heavily pregnant!!!

Preaching that as some people have been doing the wrong things for years and other should continue doing it is what has brought Nigeria to where it is today, and unfortunately, people like yourself will not be content until they see the UK become a 'Nigeria'. Many of our politicians are like you who have seen how to make a system work but instead choose to make it worse!  You may have been living in the UK before I was born but that experience has not spurred change in you.

you can shout, rant, cry, wail, bark and scream. . . . .bimbo has not committed any crime. if the british authorities think she has committed one, she would have been arrested before you even heard the story. you are just jealous/envious of an innocent woman who was dealt a hand by fate. she never asked for 5 children and she did not bill herself £200,000.

You left a corrupt Nigeria for better shores but the corrupt Nigerian still remains in you and you are infecting teh grass made greener by others with your poison!  Many of today's OAPs helped build this country by paying their dues. The NHS would not be there if they did not! Justifying and encouraging actions such as Bimbo's is just so wrong!

you must have married uncle tom. . . . .painting the united kingdom as if their own politicians are not corrupt. grab a book and read and count the number of mps in jail now serving time for stealing from the funds of the public purse. mrs all-white-folks-are-saints, there's corruption everywhere and in this particular case, bimbo has done nothing wrong.

Dishonesty is dishonesty; It can never become honesty!
I have said my piece . . . now I will go back to my dusty certificate and my cleaning job!    [/b]

except that you have not advanced any of your frail points that bimbo was dishonest. . . . .
go back to your cleaning job and scrub well so your n.i contributions and taxes can be deducted and bimbo can enjoy it gladly. the ethos of united kingdom is to take a fraction from hard-working women like you and give to the needy(bimbo).

she has a valid naija passport(honesty)
she got a valid uk visa(honesty)
she never lied she was british(honesty)

so where's the dishonesty?

[U]FERGIE MAKES £20M OFFICIAL BID FOR NASRI[/U]

Samir Nasri is expected to tell Arsène Wenger today that he wants to leave Arsenal, after Manchester United submitted a formal bid of £20 million.
The France midfield player, who has entered the final year of his contract, will discuss his future with the Arsenal manager this morning when he returns to pre-season training.

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Wenger is desperate to keep Nasri at the Emirates Stadium and will try to persuade him to stay, but it is thought that the player — who spoke last week of his “priority to make a big career and to win titles” — has decided that he wants a new challenge. United face competition from Manchester City, Chelsea, Real Madrid and the Milan clubs, AC and Inter, for his signature.

Arsenal have offered Nasri, 24, a new five-year contract worth £90,000 a week. They have not won a trophy for the past six seasons, though, and are expected to lose Cesc Fàbregas, their captain, to Barcelona, leaving Nasri with serious concerns about whether his interests will be best served by remaining in North London.

The Times can confirm that United lodged a bid of up to £20 million for Nasri around a fortnight ago and hope to make him their fourth signing of the summer after Phil Jones, Ashley Young and David De Gea, who have arrived for a combined outlay in excess of £50 million.
However, reaching an agreement with Arsenal will not be straightforward given that Wenger has stated publicly that he will not sell to the Barclays Premier League champions, but the prospect of losing Nasri for nothing when his contract expires next summer may be even more unpalatable.

If Wenger admits defeat in his efforts to keep Nasri, he is likely to demand between £25 million and £30 million from a Premier League rival — a huge sum given the player’s contractual status — but the manager’s strong preference would be to sell to a foreign club.
Real, Inter and Milan are thought to be monitoring developments with interest. City, who signed Gaël Clichy, the France left back, from Arsenal this week, could lodge a bid.

Sir Alex Ferguson believes he has a good chance of enticing Nasri to Old Trafford, although the United manager is said to be relaxed about the situation and in no rush to try to force through a deal before the club embark on a three-week pre-season tour to the United States on Monday.
David Gill, the United chief executive, is away on holiday and is not due to join the squad in the US until the end of next week.
René Meulensteen, the United first-team coach, was quoted yesterday as saying that Wesley Sneijder, the Inter and Holland playmaker, would “fit perfectly” at the club, but the champions are focusing their efforts on Nasri.

Even if they manage to pull off what would be a huge transfer coup by signing Nasri, though, The Times understands that the club are determined to keep Nani, the Portugal winger whom they regard as central to their long-term plans.
Nani had been strongly linked with a move to Italy even before news of United’s interest in Nasri surfaced, but Ferguson is opposed to selling the player, who lost his place in the starting line-up towards the end of last season after the return from injury in March of Antonio Valencia.

The prospective arrival of Nasri on the back of the £17 million capture of Young from Aston Villa would leave Ferguson with an embarrassment of riches on the flanks, but it is thought the manager may have earmarked Nasri for a more central role.
Wes Brown, the defender, is set to end a 15-year association with United by moving to Sunderland. Steve Bruce, the Sunderland manager, has agreed a combined fee of £12 million with his former club for Brown and his team-mates John O’Shea, the defender, and Darron Gibson, the midfield player.

duduspace:
In the interim, the financial muscle of the big 3 continues to clear up the major trophies and now look to deprive us of our best players that we've laboured to develop, City and Chelsea live on their benefactor's funds without an iota of accountability

leave man utd out of your rants. . . .concentrate on chelsea and man city. man utd are a different kettle of fish. . . .

Manure is at the whim of the Glazers paying 40m in interest annually with the principal 500m bond due in the next 6 years or so without any suggestions that they are putting anything behind to pay it back, true they can always sell it on but then they'll have to find a buyer first who will be willing to pay back a debt of 500m after paying whatever is agreed as the cost of taking up 100% equity in the club.

the debt has been reduced from £800 million to about £490 million as at the last time i checked. . . .

united have never depended on any benefactor to win titles. united's source of income is generated organically by astute management staff. united are the most watched football club in europe, they have good tv deals in place, reliable sponsors and their will to always win trophies. there has never been a time a club owner or a benefactor splashed money on man utd like roman does for chelsea or the abu dhabis do for man city. . . .

let arsenal adopt united's model if they can. . . .and if they cannot, why not get a benefactor like their rivals instead of coming here to tell porkies.
this time last season, united in debt was your mantra. . . .12 months later, man utd have spent £50 million even before the transfer window opened and they are hoping to spend more without a sugar-daddy. . . .sit back and admire.

upendo 98:

Oh dear God.
I rest my case.

Just help the next pro u meet by encouraging her and tell her shes worth more than her physical body.

it's now a noble profession - just like engineering, medicine and law. there'a market for it and that trade is booming more than the previous years.

in a society obsessed with speed and ease of transaction - not to mention s[b]e[/b]x - the growing numbers of young men with lots of cash choosing to spend a part of it on illicit encounters can be no surprise. we live in a world of instant downloads, fast food and budget flights, which means that you can have anything or go anywhere with the click of a mouse. in a world of instant gratification the concept of “s[i]e[/i]x to go” is becoming ever more appealing. and although previous generations may have visited pro[i]s[/i]titutes, what is changing is the attitude of today's women to the profession of pro[i]s[/i]titution. sleeping with pro[i]s[/i]titutes is no longer something to be ashamed of because the demand has now risen astronomically. majority of those video honeys on hip-hop videos are pros and they are loving it.

upendo 98:
^^^
MY POINT EXACTLY.
I have repeated that over and over on each of my post but everyone sems to think that its due to poverty!!
No its not. My reply was directed to the poster above me cz he gave me an eg of a poor gal and I showed him another poor gal in a worse situation.
One chose to hit the street and another chose to toil like crazyNo pleasure n luxuries no quick or easy money.
When they both hit 30.you will see the diffrrence in their bodies.

if she spends good money on her body to cushion the wear and tear, she might look better than the one toiling like crazy. . . .it's swings and roundabouts.

seyibrown:
Really? If she had told the Visa issuing officer that HER INTENTION as to come to the UK to have JUST ONE BABY, not FIVE (which is actually to use UK public funds), would she have been granted the VISITING VISA?  .  . .  and you still think it is lunacy to think she lied to get a visa and stayed to cheat the system?  Aren't you a bit confused?

she would have been granted the visiting visa because she would have been made to prove she can pay for her bills when she gets into the uk. the excuse that she cannot pay for the medical bill wouldn't have surfaced at all. let's even scratch that. . . .if this woman had delivered just one child or twins, would she have made the same excuse that she could not pay? does that not destroy your theory that she had a motive from the onset? it seems to me you are more confused. . . . . .a lot of pregnant arab women stroll into this country heavily pregnant for the same motive of using the state-of-the-art facility to guarantee safe delivery. . . . .this is not new to visa issuing officers. . . .

it's the same thing as needing a surgery and coming in to the united kingdom to enjoy the facilities. . . .it has been happening since the 10th century.

upendo 98:
^^^
I dont disagree.My example up there was just meant to show tht each of us has some talent or God given gift that u can utilise without having to sell urself.
A gift is smthing your born wth mostly. You dont learn it in school you only perfect it.It could be tailoring.If not maybe I can go wash clothes,do anything at least something but nt selling your body bcz I really feel for those women tht do it.Its their bodies thet really suffer and they hurt in the process.
That eg of the 22 yr old I understand.Trust me when I tell u I have met people in dire situations u feel like 'cursing God'. I mean I get really angry at times.
I know another young one too.An orphan infact wth siblings too.Talk of pain.Tht lady nevr rests.She washes clothes,fetches wter,will save the 2 cents go sell bananas in the market and bring smthing to her 4 siblings at the end of the day.She doenst sell her body.Am sure God will bless her 4 that.
I can quote 6 examples tht will bring u to tears. Sme have no parents at all.Some gals were violated by there fathers and uncles,have their own father's babies, I dont even wnt to go into details.
I have personally interacted wth a pro and it took me like a whole week to digest wht she was telling me. But she said all the money she ever made went out to pay 4 her security/protection,and since its shared out she hardly took home enough. It was just never enough.So the need kept her there.
I am sure tht 22 yr old has gifts.She just hasnt realised her real potential and fully utilised it. At 22 yrs think abt her life at 30 yrs.Its very sad.

i dunno why you think all pro[b]s[/b]titutes have humble backgrounds and that led them into the trade. the truth is, that is not always the case.
some of these girls are privately-educated, very well-trained, good manners and still chose to be pro[i]s[/i]titutes. the higher the level of their intellect, the more they charge. these days they have their own personal websites where their clients can simply log on to and order what they want.

lastpage:
^^^^^ I cant engage "unfulfilled", self-hating, self-denigrating, low-life imbeciles like you, in a discussion!

In "real life", l would be your lecturer at the University level (if you ever will reach that level) and probably send you out of the class for recurrent, below-par performances!

But, thank God for "the internet"! at least shyte-heads like you can "make a comment", no matter how stewpid!

Now, run-off and go back to your bus conductor trade!

now, this how to end a debate.

N101:
Please explain to me what efforts she has made so far to pay for medical treatment in the UK, when she came on a Visitor's Visa and as such is not entitled to public funds?

and how many people can pay £200k for medical treatment in the uk? it's the equivalent of 50 million naira in your country. coming from a citizen of a country who spends an average of £1 a day, this is ironic.

seyibrown:
Are you Bimbo'[/i]s husband or the father of these quins?

yes, i am. . . . .are you a queen counsel?

Why do you REFUSE to see that she has BREACHED THE CONDITIONS (No recourse to public funds) OF THE VISA SHE WAS ISSUED?k

she did not apply for the public funds? her fortunate/unfortunate situation was not directly her fault. meanwhile,there's an exception to every rule. this woman is not asking the british govenment to pay £200k into her own account.  all she wanted was the survival of her babies.

Did she pay for her first scan in the UK (You claim she had no intention of scrounging)? Why did she not go home before the pregnancy advanced to the stage where she wouldn't be allowed on a flight? She continues her deception by claimimg she has no one to help look after the children in Nigeria when everyone including you knows that it is cheaper to get Nannies (if indeed familly/Neighbours/ friends won't help) in Nigeria than in the UK.

if you pay enough attention to the details rather than ranting in the darkrness, you would get hold of the story. her intention was to come here and have her child. no one is disputing that with you. unfortunately, her expectation of having one child was thwarted and she had five. five children that were premature and needed intensive care. . . . .if this woman had delivered one baby and billed £2000, she would have paid and none of us would hear or know about her. . . . .but as it is, it's not reasonable to ask a nigerian to pay £200,000 for medical bills. . .it's simply insane.

she did not go home before the pregnancy advanced because her intention was having the baby in a british hospital so the baby can live. she mentioned her previous miscarriages in a chaotic country like nigeria. she's not the only foreigner that has come into britain to ensure safe delivery. several other internationals come here everyday to do the same thing. this woman's case became a problem when she had 5 babies(something she could not have put there by herself)

Sorry, [i]Baba Quins, people like you have NO IDEA the DISCRIMINATION THAT HONEST NIGERIANS + OTHER AFRICANS FACE in the western world because of actions of people like Bimbo (and yourself) and have never experienced the contempt with which some people will treat you (and everything associated wth you) just for being Nigerian or Black African as a result of what they have experienced in the hands of (or heard about) unscrupulous Nigerians + Africans.

tell me about it. . . . .you know some of us have never been to the western world before. . . .i would like to know the discrimination you face in the western world with your dusty certificate doing cleaning jobs in mac donald eateries. nigerians have been experiencing discrimination before this woman even got pregnant. her case will not worsen the situation neither would it better it. stop shifting the blame of your pathetic government on the shoulders of an innocent woman who got blessed with five children. if you envy her, get pregnant and pop out 5 children like her.

. . .  when will Nigeria progress with people like you who refuse to condemn what is wrong but instead promote wrong-doing?  If the UK was built by people like you, there would be no NHS! You do not belong in a society of right-thinkers, Bro! You belong in a society that will never progress because of people like you!

unfortunately for you, i have been living in the united kingdom probably before you were born. i pay my tax(some of which will go and help this woman's situation) and i am glad. . . . .it's better for my tax to help a woman like this than the drug addicts and social rejects that abound in your neighbourhood in brixton. in perspective, i am saving lives - you are destroying lives.

When all female visitor visa holders start being subjected to mandatory pregnancy tests at international ports of entry - at an additional cost, many who still think Bimbo hasn't done wrong will understand! [/b]

why the united kingdom are yet to embrace this policy is beyond me. . . . . .il support it 100%. let every female visiting visa holder start taking pregnancy tests. if they had done one for bimbo, she would have been sent back to her oshodi flat and no one would question her motives. if you cannot bend your head around it that the system is wrong, then i cannot help you.

kandiikane:
I put myself in his shoes and did exactly what he did and I imagined what his thoughts would have been(mind you the littlest should not be left out) and I came to the conclusion in his shoes and the evidence surrounding me he is a sane man who killed in cold blood for ritualist purposes.

which may be true but it has to be proven in court he was ane when he killed in cold blood. the court must now decide if he was truly sane or insane when he committed the act. some of the actions he took after the murder of his wife suggest the accused man may be insane. . . . .

He did not have all the time in the world, he had to take the body parts as soon as possible to escaped plus pay off anyone who accuses him.
Come on now, you guys are looking at his actions after the murder and believe me if this is your plead for insanity forget it.

he did have all the time in the world. the neighbours didn't know about it until the next day. this man had all evening and all night to conceal the corpse. he had all night to shower, get dressed and even receive the visitors who eventually discovered the corpse and send them on a goose chase.

Its very obvious that is a ritualist killing but maybe because you are from the same tribe you don't want this to tanish the name of your tribe.

kandiikane:
^^Tribal bullshyt

the irony!

BTW, who are you fooling saying killers in nigeria cover up their tracks? come on son, come on son

you just love to argue for the sake of it. coming from someone who has probably never been to nigeria - you do know a lot about the country. is this a figment of your imagination or are you bionic?

sandee575:
You sound like an apology of a benefactor.

and you sound like a dissatisfied employee that was kicked off the globacom conglomerates.

kandiikane:
^^@Dayo and coogar, do you think every killer cover up their tracks? Maybe in the america you live in(which I doubt because many have been caught fleeing after killing in front of people and I don't see them dragging the body to go bury)  but i.e this is Africa we are talking about I bet the guy was like[i] by the time the police come realised I murdered her I would have escaped. And I might even pay them off after the body parts have been turned into money[/i]

all the killers i have seen/heard about in nigeria have attempted to cover their tracks before they were caught - that tells me this particular bloke is not sane. i can understand if he had left the body in his flat to rot, changed his clothes and legged it. . . . .but he left evidence in his house and more evidence on his shirt. no one can be that daft! it wasn't even as if the whole bloodbath attracted his neighbours/passers-by to suggest he had no time to change his clothes. he had all the time in the world to dispose the body off and clean himself before running for his dear life. . . . whichever way you look at it, the man is not normal or pretending not to be normal so he can use that technicality in court after committing the crime.

Coogar, I am both a psychiatrist and a detective and I have tried putting my self in his shoes to see what his motives were and it all pointed to a sane human who killed in cold blood for ritualistic purposes. All the evidence given on the thread points to a ritual.

so obvious.

A silly ritualist will leave a body in the midst of people.

replace the word silly with lunatic and i will agree 100%

dayokanu:
Kandikane

If any sane human killed someone at least he would try to cover it up and not go around with blood stained shirt.

Sane or not, Same punishment

if his attorney pleads insanity - the man will walk free. clifford orji walked free in 1999 having killed and eaten several women - they even sold some human flesh as spiced bbq to oblivious lagosians. but if the prosecuting crew are smart, they should just prove that the man decided to feign insanity after the crime was committed. it will help their case severely - i want this man to go down but his actions after the crime weighs heavily in his favour.

kandiikane:
lol, happy potter?  

Coogar, I don't believe ritualists having to hide their victims body. Ritualists will leave there victims anywhere unless the baba or cult tells the killer to bury or burn if its part of the ritual.

a ritualist will leave his dead victim right in his own house knowing fully well people would start coming to look for the victim?  
you must be the smartest investigator this forum has seen in a long while - keep your head up. . . .fbi forensic needs your type.

kandiikane:
Do not justified this man's crime, come on now concealed the body? The man is stup[i]i[/i]d he thought if he gets the human meat to the baba as soon as possible he will be free. Not every killer thinks of concealing the body or cleaning up after a murder(many will think its a waste of time and they are losing time), all that was on his mind was to chop the woman up and take her meat as quickly as possible to the baba or cult.

very good analysis except that people who actually do rituals don't want to be caught so they can enjoy the proceeds of their crime in peace. what you have just typed up there is a semblance of a movie by harry porter. ritualists conceal the bodies of their victims. . . .hide it, burn it, bury it, etc. what this man here has displayed borders on insanity. . . . .one of the neighbours said they saw him jumping the fence with a shirt covered in blood. . . .no sane man operates like that.

proO1:
What? If paddy is running around with mobile policemen, then[b] we do not need seers to tell us that Mike Adenuga himself (Arrogance Personified) would have truckloads of mopols and elite bodyguards guarding him.[/b] Now compare that to Dangote whom I've personally seen up-close walking around a crowded wedding venue without a single bodyguard in tow. That means we may not see Dangote's daughters parading themselves around town with mopols like that big-headed Paddy. So like-for-like, Dangote is humbler than Adenuga in every sense - even though he is also richer and more popular than Adenuga in every sense. So I don't see how we can justify Paddy's abuse of the tax-payer funded police institution because he is Adenuga's son. WTF.

yes. . . .let's keep comparing the actual thing that has happened to a figment of your own imagination. . . . .it has never been reported yet mike adenuga travels around the country with truckloads of mopol or elite bodyguards. . . . .and even if he does, i am yet to see a report that his bodyguards have bullied innocent people. . . . .nigerians love to create/fabricate a story where there is none. the topic is about paddy adenuga and his entourage - nothing to do with his dad. if and when mike adenuga's entourage is accused of any unruly behaviour then you can start doing the comparison to aliko dangote. but for now, save it!