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chidexxy007:
to say I was pissed dat summer is an understatement, he was busy chasing and everybody b4 finally settling for another fraud 4x d price he should av bought I'm earlier. Moyes was nt only a failure, he was a disgrace too. to destroy a dynasty built for over 26yrs under 7months, I think he should be debriefed or better still charged.

he hasn't spent up to a year as the manager of sociedad, the fans there are already asking for his blood.

the word failure should be synonymous to moyes. moyes is the only manager in the world capable of relegating bayern munich in the bundesliga.

chidexxy007:
quite agree but surely there must b something remaining in his tank...
but u guys here are busy questioning Rooney or LVG, me I want to know how much Moyes got from that ludicrous deal he gave him cos that is where all this problems are emanating from....
if only he was shipped to Chelsea dat season

we would have certainly bought an elite striker to replace him since then. fergie had completed the legwork already. all moyes needed to do was get lewandowski or muller & then sell rooney to the highest bidder.

however, moyes first lapped up the novelty of replacing SAF for the first 2 months. he didn't even make any move to improve the squad. the only player he got that season was fellaini & it was a panic buy after we missed getting herrera.

6 months later, he gave rooney £300k/week deal on a 5 & half year contract. with a promise of an ambassadorial role after his retirement & other nauseating perks. it shall never be well with moyes for mortgaging the club's honour to satisfy a pig like rooney.

darefestus:
I think you are being unfair to Rooney here, his versatility more than anything was the reason for being moved around earlier in his career.

versatility or his jack of all trade traits?
how come ronaldo was never asked to play in the midfield? the truth is - rooney has never been the best player in any position in our team since 2011.

The solution to the Rooney problem is to play him on the left, why LVG hasnt thought of that still bewilders me.

you need pace to play in that position. rooney lacks pace & he doesn't even have the strength to contend with the pacy wingers in this league. rooney would be completely destroyed in that position.

As a winger he will have a bit more time on the ball, and his ponderous first-touch wouldnt be so badly fet since he wont get crowded out like in the middle.

his ponderous first touch would win a lot of throw-ins for the opposition. rooney is shyte at everything these days. i dunno why you lots still believe he can make a comeback!

He does seem to get stuck-in, so tracking back shouldnt be a problem, and he can deliver decent crosses, which is also a plus.

what about pace? what happens when the opponents leave rooney for dead and they overload our fullback?

You may say he cant beat a man, but he really can just dress the ball to his right and put something in ala Young.

young has pace, rooney does not!
young beats his markers regularly, rooney cannot even beat his dïck these days.

Rooney never had a first touch, that didnt appear overnight, so no surprises there - what is more suprising is that he cant even hold unto the ball to bring others in.

yes - the strength is gone!
he gets bullied by defenders these days. our opponents just double up on martial.......they don't even bother to mark rooney cos they now know he neither has the pace nor the confidence to shoot these days.

I still dont want to believe he's finished, maybe is psychological, but he can get any worse than this surely.

rooney is finished!
watch this clip to see the debate on his decline. the geordie guy on the far right completely eviscerated rooney.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwFjZV7WLaA

chidexxy007:
a transfer request to Chelsea I guess

chelsea wouldn't touch him with a 9-foot pole as we speak. rooney is conveniently the worst striker in europe as we speak.

at £300k/week, he should be doing better. if we didn't buy martial, his media friends would have blamed LVG's system for rooney's idiocy.

rooney needs to go for martial/memphis to reach their potential. this similar issue played out when ruud got kicked out by fergie.....ronaldo/rooney stepped up in 06/07.

AdeLaNa1:
Oops!!

buhahahaha.....
airfart got exposed by his own lies. let's see how he would get out of this.

darefestus:
I can bet he hasn't, those cross-field diagonals appear to have stopped, he does pass it back often (when he isnt losing possession) but not to the side.
He will definitely top the misplaced passes table though.

how do we solve a problem like rooney? he was moved to the midfield against middlesboro. when a player is not special at anything, he gets moved around like a broken furniture.

rooney is stealing a living at united. fellaini broke at some point in the midweek game & then passed the ball to rooney. rooney's first touch took the ball about 12 yards backwards.

by the time he managed to control the ball, middlesboro defenders had already recovered and they snuffed out the counterattack easily. rooney should look at his own performance and tender a transfer request.

airmark:
Liar, I never said robben was 20 when he won epl. I have better points to splash, i dont window dress like you. You can as well quote where i said robben won epl at 20. Mr. 5 %, call me names, twist my statements as you like, the facts i have stated here today will remain unchanged. Robben was 20, when he joined chelsea and played his debut. He was 20 when he won the epl player of the month unlike memphis at 21 struggling with the ball.
Robben was not untouchable because of injury problems. He was not mostly used as subs in his debut season as against your lie. He was not playing poor passes up and down as you fraudulently stated. All these i have proved and every sensible reader can attest to this.
I will ask you again, please name one non-english 21 year old player that made the epl team of the year with 18 matches or less, played?. I am interested in such great player. Till then, keep decorating your useless merefish.

why are you such a pathological liar?

you mean your memory leaks so much you cannot remember telling us here that robben won the EPL title at 20?

who wrote this, particularly the last sentence in the image below? airfart, you are a disgrace to homo sapiens

darefestus:
I'm surprised we are 2nd on the sideways passing table, i havent seen a team pass it sideways as much as we do this season.
Everything else is par for the course.

i can bet rooney has made the most sideways passing this season.

airmark:
Then it was not the same arjen robben that played for chelsea in 2004/2005 season. May be another arjen in your village. If he was the one wasting hundreds of passes and making just 9 successful ones as you said, he would nt beat giggs and others to the epl team of the year playing lesser number of matches and assists than them. Yu are not making any sense. No offense. That was how you lied that robben played mostly as sub in his debut season. You dont need to always lie, no prize is involved.

says the fool that said robben was 20 when he won the EPL........you are the biggest liar on this forum.

robben was an impact player - played mostly as a sub under mourinho & he was never among mourinho's elite players known as the untouchables

Herapal:
Your signature tells that you know Canibus and Webb.

hehe!

raumdeuter:
https://i.imgur.com/NJtMZlr.jpg

when rooney won't take shots nko?
how many chances did we create alone against swansea with rooney pulling the trigger?

when you have a useless arrowhead, nothing you create in the final third would be converted into a created chance. ashley young created a superb chance against spurs - rooney couldn't shoot until walker put the ball in the net to score an own goal!

airmark:

See as you made me to renege on my promise of not replying you. This is how you would be throwing figures senselessly up and down for your gullible followers. Lampard topped the epl list of number of assists in 2004/2005 season with 16 in 38 matches. Robben was chelsea's 2nd with 9 in 18 matches.

you are a consummate rëtard.
it seems you have lost your ability to use your cognitive reasoning. the number of assists to the ratio of the attempted passes is the ratio you should be focusing on......not the number games per assists.

a player can make 10 crosses in a game & yet fail to make anyone of them count. how does that have anything to do with the number of assists? i said the number of assists made by robben in 04/05 is about 5% of the number he should have made because of his poor decision making or his selfishness.

It will interest you that Giggs was the only man utd player with higher number of assists than robben with 10 in 32 matches. Your mathematics teacher should be guillotined. I dont just know the appropriate adjective to qualify you right now.

stop displaying your stüpidity.

robben could have 9 assists that season & yet wasted 300 chances that could have been the assist. you are a neophyte when it comes to football statistics. learn from your superiors.

ronaldo had 131 shots in the 07/08 premier league season and yet could only score 31 league goals. by every standard, it was a poor conversion rate cos it means ronaldo missed 100 shots that season. players like adebayor & torres had a better conversion rate.

robben's 9 assists don't mean he shouldn't have had up to 20 assists that season. use your common sense, abeg!

funlord:


This highlighted point must be why they prefer to use any other player in their clubs history APART from HAZARD whenever they want to discuss or compare and contrast "depays form" this season? Lmao!!!

hazard is a sacred cow.
he's untouchable - he could serve shyte game after game but these trolls would still tell you hazard is better than neymar.

airmark: Imagine o. He now came here saying robben was also poor like him in his first season at chelsea. That he did nt give final passes to team mates, yet robben was the highest assists giver second to lampard in that season.

robben being the 2nd assist maker in chelsea says nothing about his wastefulness. use your cognitive reasoning appropriately. the number of assists he made that season is about 5% of what he shoulda made. this is why we think he's poor. robben always made poor decisions in 04/05. he shot when he shoulda passed, he passed when he shoulda shot.

Even his man utd colleagues are disappointed in him. He said LVG's philosophy affected depay not to be able to control balls. To be shrugged off the ball by championship defenders. Missing begging chances here and there. In the last match, the commentator did n't know when he said ''this is not what man utd spent 25m for''. Depay should be compared with the likes of kakuta, obertan in epl.

what about hazard that has played 10 league games, 3 UCL games, 2 capital one games & 1 community shield game and yet no goals?

0 goals in 1,235 minutes this season. hazard's min to goal ratio this season is undefined. if i were you, i would worry more about the liability wearing the 10 shirt in your club than memphis that has scored 4 goals this season.

SAMBARRY:
and what's her buisness with what people say and don't say? Is she committing any crime that the court will prosecute her for.

so adultery is morally correct?

This men WILLINGLY walked into her home. She didn't invade their houses to FORCEFULLY DRAG THEM TO HER HOUSE TO SLEEP WITH HER.theyrr adults with a functional brain who know what they're doing

just because you are an adult does not always mean you would make the right decisions every time . stop assuming that all adults have a functional brain.

ElFenomeno1:
I wonder why we are still having a Depay back and forth here..... Coogar you need to stop bleating and give it a rest, no matter what you say, Depay has been royally useless and is grossly overrated!!!
End off!!!!

he has scored 4 more goals than hazard this season. matter of fact, if depay scores 4 more goals this season, he would have matched everything robben did in his debut season in england.

if depay has been royally useless - pray tell....what would you say about hazard? it's been 13 games now this season & hazard hasn't found the net.

airmark:

So you had to bring 2007 forum discussions to show rooben was rubbish in his debut season which was 2 years away. Keeping mute would have been better for you.

but you said robben always had the final ball & he was a brilliant player to have around. if after 2 seasons, his fans still thought he was useless in his final ball then i have been able to prove to you that robben had a substandard education. he never looked up when playing the final ball. it was hit & miss!

Robben's first month playing in epl would be depay's best month of his career, if he would ever have such. Don't expect any reply from me again until you name a non-english player at 21 that played 18 games or less out of possible 38 and made epl team of the season. Thanks

any idíot can win the team of the season. if robben was so good, he woulda won the young player of the season. EPL team of the season that players like milner & co. have graced in the past.

this is how you just jump into an argument without common sense. the point was robben was a selfish player with one of the poorest decision making in the danger area. he never looked for a teammate to pass the ball to - it's a common attribute of most wingers at the start of their career.

daretodiffer:
The question is who would walk up to me to call my mum a hood LovePeddler? That is the part I don't get and if they did I will give them a honest reply. Life can be simple if you are ready to make it so.

plenty of people would......
a woman like that is a risk to the other women with husbands in that neighbourhood. don't be so naive to think she only shägs single men. other women's husbands in that neighbourhood patronise her as well.

SAMBARRY:
still it's none of their buisness. Its not like theyrr getting married to their mom abi are they living in face me i slap you that news of a woman's sexcapades will be a topic of gossip.

even if they were living in a bunker, the whole city would soon know that the mom is a neighbourhood whöre. if she doesn't talk, the men taking turns on her would talk about it. it's unfair on her kids!

Person wey leave house 6.30am to work reach house after 7pm tired after going through hold up go get time to be concerned about who the woman's sleeping with and who she's not sleeping with. Same with her kids.

they would be concerned!
a whöre has now opened a shop in the neighbourhood & trust me......some of the men she's sleeping with would be other women's husbands.

The only time I'll have and issue with that is when the kids are still little and impressionable.if they're adults she doesn't owe them explanation on what she does with her sex life

so what makes you think the kids in that house aren't little & impressionable? a widow of 6 months is already bringing different men into her bedroom for cheap sēx & you don't find anything wrong with it?

sambarry, your moral compass needs spiritual deliverance.

daretodiffer:
The problem is multiple partners. If it were just a man, who cares...

well....
the OP said she's shtupping multiple partners at the same time so there's a problem. where's the decorum in what she's doing?

What about the gossips and whispers? . You are conversing with the wrong person because I don't think about gossips neither do I consider them a factor for acting in a certain way.

so if someone walks up to you that your mom is a hood-whòre, you wouldn't react to it even when you know it's true?

daretodiffer: Also, her actions do not make her a bad mother.

of course......fücking multiple losers on her bed after barely 6 months of being a widow is very righteous. she could have won a nobel prize in widowhood for her actions.

airmark:
[s]Mr. man , things went bad for robben because of injuries, not because he was wasteful. Tell that to your village people. He played 18 games and scored 7 goals. The remaining matches he sat out because of injury, he was not like depay benched because of poor form. He was used just like martial is being used in the wing to destroy defenders in multiple numbers and majorly set up his colleagues to score. In this season, Robben was chelsea's 2nd best to lampard in number of assists despite playing lesser number of matches, so how did he achieve this if he was n't looking up to do final passes as you spuriously said. You must be rolling tyres in the street when robben was playing for us.


You made me laugh. I have been supporting chelsea before they thought you how to use knife and fork. Damien duff and arjen were our key players to unlock stubborn defence lines in which other attackers benefited from. He did n't lose a single epl match he featured in, can you beat that? Only Cech, Terry, lampard and robben made epl team of the year as chelsea players, drogba did nt make it, what does that tell you scummy? well, may be it was the english hyping the dutchman.

Robben was an instant hit as all the games he played in, he ensured he played above average and did n't lose any epl match. After lampard, he was next with number of assists for chelsea. He played 18 matches (due to injury), he won 16 and drew 2 and still made the epl team of the year ahead of other players that played more matches. I dont need to go further on how effective he was. At least you went to secondary school.

Robben mostly used as sub in 2004/2005 season? Unrepentant liar. Out of 18 matches he played, he only played as sub in 4 because of injuries. He was nt losing the ball like depay when he was without injuries. Despite playing a lesser number of matches, he was chelsea's 2nd best with number of assists. It was his injuries that made him not to be an untouchable chelsea player. Dont sell a dummy here.

Robben said : "It was hard at first because I came with an injury. It was very difficult for me and also for him (mourinho). Of course, mourinho doesn't like players who get injured. So it wasn't easy but I always had the feeling I had his confidence.
"I played some great games for Chelsea but it was unfortunate I had injury problems and I couldn't do it over a long period – like now.



That's why we said depay is a scam. If you are the highest goal scorer in dutch league , it means nothing to me but very huge to mumus like you. Kuyt at 35, an epl long time reject is at present dutch highest goal scorer with 10 goals. Shame on you, depay and LVG. Meanwhile, there is a reason depay was nt awarded the best player in that league and also not the dutch player of the year. Man utd was scammed by dutch mafias, pure money laundering fraud.



Just like i said kuyt is the current highest goal scorer in the dutch league, you should advise LVG to sign him by january. You want me to use foul language on you but i wont descend to that level. I used gif to tell you robben at 20 was a god to depay at 21 (even at his career peak). Robben was not struggling to trap balls like depay . He was not clueless with balls like merefish. Robben was one of our best performers in 2004/2005 season helping in winning matches. His dribbling runs were premium, depay at present is the direct opposite of 2004/2005's robben .

Comparing robben's early years at chelsea to depay's at man utd is like comparing an electric light to a spoilt lighter. [/s]

these are chelsea fans begging to have robben sold off to madrid back then because of his substandard education.....

http://forum.cybereagles.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=88302

1) I saw the article earlier. The guy is useless.
Its only a one way street for him. .

1) He plays absolutely no defense.
2) For a winger of sorts, he never tracks back
3) He's too damn selfish. He hardly ever passes to open team mates.
4) He's not a pro-type forward.

So who will put up with him? No matter how good his dribbling is, over a 90 minute period, he'll end up hurting your team.

2) I am shocked that, on the basis of his quality and his output, this guy feels he should be "starting games." He must be referring to mind games because I do not see any other games he hopes he can start, unless it is on the bench, or a couple of people are hurt or the team is comfortably ahead in a cup fixture. I think Robben should be fully debriefed.

and that was exactly how i remember arjen robben at chelsea. he was more frustrating to watch than depay. he wants to dribble everyone & he rarely passed to teammates even when they are in a better position to cause damage - but here, airmark that knew nothing about the PL back then wants to rewrite history.

daretodiffer:
The only issue here is the multiple partners. Other than that, I see no reason why she can't bring a man home. The only obligation she owes them is the knowledge that she is seeing someone. Unless she is a religious woman, I see no reason why can't have sex in her own home. The man is dead and he is dead. The living must continue to do what makes them happy and what is right. So can we stop getting sentimental about the significance of the home

so you actually agree there's an issue?
a woman bringing multiple men into her bedroom 6 months after losing her hubby is an irresponsible woman.

yeah, i said it....

Also the kids are old enough to mind their fvvkinf business. If she isn't maltreating them or abusing them then ehatever their mum is up to is not their concern.

nah - the mom's business is the kids' business. how many kids would be happy knowing their mom is a neighbourhood whöre?

men of all shapes & sizes strolling into the house to take turns on their mom? do you guys actually realise gossips & whispers would go round & one day someone would use the mom's promiscuity against the kids?

airmark:
Tell those youngies supporting man utd now about nani and ronaldo having substandard education and playing rubbish at 21, but dont ever use your filthy fingers to type that arjen robben at 20 or 21 was playing nonsense for chelsea in 2004 and 2005.

robben was actually a frustrating player for chelsea in 2004. he had a great start but then things went pretty bad for him. his 7 goals all season in the PL was a testament to his wastefulness & how frustrating he was. the mark of a good player is his decision making & the ability to look up and find a teammate to pass to with the final ball. all the players i listed above lacked that quality in their respective debut seasons in england.

i don't expect a fool like you to know this though. you depend on wikipedia for information. you never actually saw those games. robben frustrated the fans much more than he did damage to the opponents. in the end, it was chelsea's excellent defending that got them the title, not the attack. your highest goalscorer that season was lampard, not drogba nor kezman nor your robben.

Bomb dey your head? Robben that was an instant hit when he started playing for us in 2004 and won the premier league player of the month same month he debuted? It's shocking that you would just type lies here in megabytes with no remorse.

you are a capital idïot!
this is like saying pedro was an instant hit when he came to england because of his brilliance in his first few games - where do you borrow common sense from? 7 league goals all season, brilliant player?

He was very instrumenal to our epl title consecutive wins in 2005 and 2006, despite having injury problems. At 20, he won epl title with his contributions well-engraved on the title. he made the PFA team of the year and was the best young player in europe at 21.

shut up your mouth with your stüpidity!
robben was already 21 when he won his first premier league with chelsea & his contribution of 7 league goals out of the 72 goals chelsea scored in total that season couldn't have been instrumental. it's either you have a poor command of the english language or you are genetically rëtarded!

robben that wasn't part of jose mourinho's untouchables. robben that was mostly used as a sub(impact player) cos he frustrated fans nearly all the time? the selfish robben that never passed to teammates & would dribble into blind alleys till he lost the ball? it's now clear you don't have a memory bank.

If you want to polish your useless depay, please dont let the god of soccer strike you down for ridiculing robben's breathtaking 2004/2005 performances. He might not be superb in goal scoring that time but he would not lose possession stupidly as depay is doing.

so if he's not superb at goalscoring(8 goals in all competitions for chelsea), what exactly was he good at? we are talking about decision making & looking up to find a teammate like most spaniards are trained to do & this fool is talking about breathtaking performance.

ronaldo lost the ball the most in man utd when he was the ballon d'or winner. it would serve you well if you actually use your common sense on these pages instead of getting pënile erëctions whenever you get excited to quote me.

Immediately he started for us in 2004/2005, all other teams were destroyed by his mazy runs. Dont compare a clueless player still struggling to control balls with his foot, always missing clear-cut chances to a player who played at the level far above his age for chelsea at 20, with accolades from everywhere. Only feed your fans your lies.

you are a consummate troglodyte!

a player struggling to control ball won the golden boot in the dutch league. robben also played in that league and couldn't win it. both of them were wingers so their primary position had nothing to do with it. just one point destroyed everything that took you 60 mins to type.

your case shouldn't be laughed at, you should be pitied!

Robben at 20

Depay at 21

so these gifs are supposed to determine who the better player was at 21? depay won a golden boot at 21. show us the equivalent of such award that robben won in the dutch league or shüt the fück up till chelsea gets back into the top 4.

you are a disgraceful dingbat!

https://cdn.makeagif.com/media/8-19-2015/Sy_nK9.gif

fück outta here......

daretodiffer:
Does it matter? Not everyone is as fragile as yourself. If she is ready to move in she should move on. The man is dead. He is not coming back even she waited for twelve years before moving on

of course, it matters....
unless you don't understand what the word decorum means. how can a widow start bringing different men into her bedroom only 6 months after husband passed away?

pray tell - what kinda tacit message is she sending to her kids? the issue isn't fragility, it is promiscuity. before you know it, those men would start abusing the woman's kids. if she is getting the itch, there are cheap dïldos in oyingbo market or better still.....she should take her men elsewhere but her house.

Ermmm......there is no need pretending like she cared when she does not....it wasn't like they had great marriage sef

whether she cared or doesn't care she could be infected with HIV isn't only the concern. there are kids in that house - that is the primary concern. if she's all alone by herself, she could shag all the men in baghdad in her bedroom & no one would care.

darefestus:
He really was coogs, i get that you want to defend depay to the tilt, but Ronaldo did beat his full back frequently, his only blemish was what he did with the final ball - actually what he didnt do.

so you agree ronaldo's decision making in 2003/4 was awful?

Well, Ronaldo didnt come with the reputation of being a seasoned goal-scorer did he?

what about assists?
if depay assists 3 times again this season, he would have matched ronaldo's total number of assists in 03/04.

You really are trying to shame Elampiro's defence of Rooney with this statement. What happened to experience, you think that a 21-year old player in any league will have the same footballing knowledge as the same player in the same league at 17?

multiply 1,000,000 by shyte & the answer would be shyte. the experience hardly matters if the league itself is substandard. people who start from a top league at a younger age has a bigger advantage than the ones arriving after 21.

besides, ronaldo was not only extremely lucky to start young at 18 in england, but also plus the fact that he was under the best man-manager on the planet in SAF & a deputy in carlos queiroz that understood ronaldo's language & culture. it was a perfect match - made in heaven!

Hmm, I dont remember 2004/2005 Chelsea that much, i think @Ibime can help us here. But a Mourinho team without wingers tracking back seem far-fetched to me.

makelele was a sitting pillar.
nothing went past him. in the off-chance that opponents managed to float the ball above him, there's terry, carvalho & sometimes gallas & huth to snuff out the attack.

wingers had a free rein then.
duff, joe cole & robben were messengers of death. they just attack relentless like bulldogs cos they knew claude is sitting behind them.

Having said that, Young and Martial have played the exact position Depay plays in, and have fared far better, with both having to track back, so dont make it look like it has something to do with tracking back. What happened to actually beating your man when in possession, or you know, making the right pass?

not every player would come to a new league & adapt immediately. if it was that easy, martial wouldn't have won player of the month barely 4 weeks after joining the premier league.

i am not saying depay is messi/ronaldo. i am saying he's blessed with the natural skills to excel in that role & anyone writing him off after only 3 months is a lunatic.

I doubt if tracking back affects those too.

young is a veteran in the prem league - he already knows what it is to play as a winger here. martial is just an excellent player & he's a one off. just because martial took the league by a storm doesn't mean depay would do it like him. the trajectory in the development of players varies widely.

Ronaldo that season wasnt a traditional winger in the Valencia/Navas sense at all, and neither is Depay, i know you are well versed in footie matters so this is just your attempt at taking the piss, but there are more subtle, less obvious ways to do that.

ronaldo hugged the touchline.....
he gets the ball from the wide area, he cuts in and shoots from a long range. he was never the elusive & clever unorthodox wingers like silva or nasri.

You call a player who spends half of the game consciously trying to shoot a traditional winger now?

nani, ronaldo, robben, etc were all like that in the early days too. it's their substandard education in their lower-tier leagues that caused this nonsense.

none of these players looked up to find a team mate when in possession in those days. their aim is to dribble or run with the ball before unleashing a shot towards goal.

don't worry about depay - it would be coached out of him. the only snag is that we have a manager who would rather leave his tongue in rooney's bütt than support the rookie who still has plenty of years to give man utd. when ronaldo & ruud had their spat.....fergie sided with the younger player & kicked ruud out.

the younger player should be prioritised. rooney plays worse than depay in every game & he still starts for us. depay has had few iffy games and he is being sidelined or taken off during the game. LVG is not handling the depay situation very well.

Ibime:
So why would British press accord Ashley Cole world class status just because he dealt with a second class winger?

ashley cole was already world class before he dealt with ronaldo. he had won the league title unbeaten with arsenal before going to the euros. his performance against portugal only solidified what was being whispered initially.

Truth is, Ronaldo was already world class and they knew it, that's why they put Ashley in the same class.

nah nah!
ronaldo wasn't world class in 2004. let's not forget his country hosted this particular tourney & some decisions went in their favour. he also played in every game till they got outfoxed by greece in the final....rooney played only 4 games & still made the team of the tournament.

I can't compare a winger to a striker in 2004, you would defeat my argument with goals statistics. A winger back then in 4-4-2 mindset does not score many goals unlike today where you can compare Rooney and Depays output, back then you simply can't compare wingers output to strikers but watching that tourney, although Rooney was the best striker in that tourney, Ronaldo was the best winger and would be rated higher for that tourney.

this is nonsense!
we aren't even talking goals now - we are talking about the general play. rooney was heads and shoulders above ronaldo in 2004. even the portugese media noted this back then. rooney @18 had the maturity of a 30 year old player. as good as martial is right now, rooney was 5 times better.

leave goals aside. rooney was a beast!
while ronaldo danced, dived & entertained with his ballerina foot.....rooney was stronger, with more verve & panache in his play. rooney wasn't even yet a united player pre-euro 2004 but he was england's lifeline. when he limped off the pitch in that q/final in 2004, you just knew england ain't winning that game without him.

Ibime:
LVG has become a defensive coach these last few years. Bayern had flair then but were too easy to play against. The way Inter penetrated their midfield in 2010 final was too easy. You just let Bayern have the ball then counterattack them. It was the introduction of Javi Martinez to their midfield under Heynckes that alleviated their problems on the counterattack.

the only thing LVG does is to improve the way the team treats the ball like a diamond ring. the possession stats would be good but the gung-ho tactics would be numbed to death.

when bayern knew they had learnt what it takes to do the possession football, they got rid of LVG & got heynckes. bayern won thr treble few months later.

our next manager would be the one to put a roof on the house LVG is building. for now, LVG is just steadying the ship & winning 1 or 2 trophies before his contract zaps out.

Ibime:
Ta! Coogar don't act like Ronaldo wasn't the man in 2004. He made team of that tournament and was Portugals best player.

was he as good as rooney in euro 2004? answer the question & stop shadow-boxing.

The same English press hating on him were the same ones who crowned Ashley Cole best left back in the world just because he managed to keep pace with Ronaldo in the quarter final.

he didn't only keep pace with ronaldo in euro 2004, cole completely destroyed ronaldo in that game. few hours later......scolari came up with an excuse that he deliberately asked ronaldo to keep targeting ashley cole despite ronaldo's failure to beat cole. scolari said it was a way to keep cole busy the whole game & to prevent cole from joining the attack.

darefestus:
Except Young Ronaldo was beating his fullback more often than not, whilst still producing crosses - None of which Depay has managed to do.

he wasn't beating his full-back then.
ronaldo would get the ball & do that ballerina dance steps that often led nowhere & the ball would be nicked off him.

thing is - if depay scores 2 more goals, he would have matched ronaldo's total goals in ronaldo's debut season. that was how poor ronaldo was in 03/04.

You have also conveniently ignored the fact we didn't sign a 21-year old Ronaldo. So the erratic decision making was to be expected.

age means shyte!
the quality education started when they both arrived in england. the dutch league & the portuguese league are lower-tier leagues. if ronaldo had joined us @21, 99% of the traits that made him frustrating would have still been existent.

Coogs, again i dont know why you keep referring to LVG's Philosophy, LVG also had Ribery and Robben under him ffs, both didn't turn to shiit when he managed Bayern - yes, there were scuffles between him and Ribery, but because Gaal's risk-averse style was shackling his flair.

except that ribery/robben have already made names for themselves & are well grounded before they played under LVG. there was nothing he could have done to tweak robben/ribery.

Stop trying to rewrite history, Oga.

A 21 year old Robben was notimated for the PFA young player of the year coming second behind Rooney, you should also not forget how injured he was that season(didnt even have a full pre-season) and like Depay, he was coming from the Eredivise.

robben played exactly like depay.
the difference was that they had a manager who had a triumvirate of makelele, carvalho & terry at the back which made duff & robben run riots. they never had to track back & help their fullbacks. these days, depay is being told to apply handbrakes & track back to help the LB.

Coogs!!!
What exactly qualifies as a traditional winger?. Because, Depay is everything but one, he will cut-in and have a pop. How often do "traditional wingers" score 28 goals a season?

ronaldo scored 42 goals in the premier league as a traditional winger. the non-traditional wingers are silva, nasri, sanchez, etc. does depay operate like silva? there you have your answer.

Is Sanchez also a traditional winger?

i have never seen sanchez work the touch line so he cannot be a traditional winger. your trado-wingers are navas, nani, ronaldo(man utd), beckham, valencia, etc.

Ibime:
Believe me, I thoroughly enjoyed Ronaldos play back then.

he was useless back then.
keane wanted him dead in most games & ruud punched him in training cos ronaldo refused to pass the ball.

All this talk of Ronaldo being frustrating or Rooney rated higher was a campaign from British press who wanted to downplay Ronaldos play on that right wing because he is a flashy foreigner and they were waging campaign on Beckhams behalf that this new boy is not as good as their darling England captain whose position he took.

rooney was the better player in their teenage years. rooney was the better decision maker & rooney would never refuse to pass to a player in a better position.

No be the same biased press yarning opata about Rooney now.

i have never followed the british media to make my opinion on players. rooney>>>>>>>ronaldo in 2004.

when rooney singlehandedly ended arsenal's long unbeaten run, where was ronaldo? rooney scored a goal & assisted the other goal in the biggest game on the planet back then.....ronaldo was simply anonymous.

I'm not a Utd fan so my emotions aren't involved and I can't tell you if he was frustrating to a UTD fan but I know we were all scared of him when we faced him. Part of the frustration may be to do with the fact that Mourinho had just brought a tactical revolution of 4-5-1 to England which no team could compete with and maybe looking for players to blame.

scared of who?
i cannot remember winning any game against chelsea in ronaldo's first two seasons at united. he had moments of magic in lapses & plenty of frustrating moments in his game.

Ronaldo at Euro 2004 was already the best 3 European footballers as far as I'm concerned. That's been his best International tournament to date as far as I'm concerned.

rooney at euro 2004 was already the best player in europe at only 18 years of age. he bullied defenders & scored 4 goals in spite of the face that he went off injured as early as the quarter-finals against portugal.

rooney's hype didn't just come about cos he is english. he was the business back then. he was fearless, strong & blessed with pace and power. go and watch what rooney did to croatia in euro 2004 before you start yearning opaks!

dopeJemi:
Blaming LVG'S philosophy for depay's stupidity on the field is atrocious... depay attempts more take ons than any of his team mates and he never succeeds... no matter how "shackled" LVG'S football might be, it's not the reason for depay's horrible displays, you can't tell me it's because of LVG'S philosophy depay can't do the simplest things in football like picking out a man when he's free... he can't even do it on Fifa, pathetic


Depay is useless abeg, leave matter for martyrs

useless players don't score this kinda goals. this is exactly what chelsea fans expect from hidden hazard & he cannot deliver.

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Ibime:
Ronaldo was not a team player but in a tactical sense, he was the ultimate team player. While Memphis clogs the centre, young Ronaldo would stretch the play and stay wide allowing the passers of the team to dominate the centre. Depay would be fighting Herrera them for space in the centre only to waste it. That's the main tactical difference.

young ronaldo was the most frustrating player ever. why are you people trying to mask what ronaldo was before the world cup? his decision making was the worst of any young player----that was why rooney was rated above him in their teenage years. ronaldo was extremely immature.

Also Ronaldo would so worry the opposition left back, teams would abandon midfield formation to send midfielders to support the left back, creating more space in the centre for Scholes and co.

because fergie tolerated such play. fergie is a risk taker. under LVG, wingers like ronaldo, nani, depay, di maria would fail cos these players prefer to take risks & go direct rather than the disciplined dogs like valencia & young. that's the difference. memphis has all the attributes of a SAF winger.

he's explosive, pacy, he can beat a man but his decision making is iffy. that was how giggs started too. robben @21 was worse as well. they just believe they could dribble everyone on the pitch and get away with it. the manager plays a part in the development of a young player.

Depay on the other hand clogs the centre. Big difference.

how so?
if the pass isn't on, LVG has instructed the players to hold possession till the cows come home. no one risks any pass.....no one takes charge. we just hug possession for nothing without actually trying to force the issue every now & then. how would traditional wingers thrive in this philosophy?

SAMBARRY:
nawa for you o.see as you just conclude like say na for your presence them orchestrate all this things

Op na you I get buisness with. Face your front and mind your buisness. She's not and adolescent that you'll be monitoring. Abi if it was your mom that died and your dad brought in a woman Will you come here to rant?

Face your own problems and leave whatever your mom is doing with her private part

so a woman behaving badly should not be corrected? how can a woman bring a another man into her bedroom barely 6 months after her hubby passed away? what kinda hormones are in her that she cannot hold her urges for much longer?

cococandy:
@bold,
Story.

hehe!

Ibime:
I said it back in May when you guys signed Depay that he is an "as the spirit leads" kind of player and I'm not concerned about his signing. I don't know why ninjas are surprised how he loses possession. He has never been an intelligent team player. .

ronaldo lost possession more than any attacking player in england, see how it turned out. there's nothing wrong with depay!

a player primed to take risks would always lose possession cos he will not score from every effort. LVG's shackled football is the problem, not depay!!!

LVG gave up rafael & retained valencia, that should tell you he favours players who take little or no risks & pass the ball back to the goalie. depay isn't cut for such!

iwaeda:
Marriage,marriage

the woman is a disgrace.....
she must be a nymphö! where's the decorum? if she must shäg, it should have been in the man's crib not in the same bed her late husband once slept.

the OP should go to his dad's grave & invoke his spirit. if his spirit is irked, the new boyfriend could get his ass whöoped by a spiritual horsewhip in the next sex session.