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Starboard: As said earlier, the Shaw and Herrera signings were part of a sales pitch to van Gaal to convince him to sign on as manager.

i can't even believe these people dunno chairmen & others do make signings & impose on the manager. it's not the fault of elampiro though, the power wenger & fergie have wielded in the last 20 years is what confuses him.


mourinho got served with ballack & shevchenko.....why didn't he complain or resign or wait for it........cancel those deals?

elampiro: Can you also prove to us Shaw and Herrera deals were 90% completed?

i can prove that 100%
herrera was even willing to cover some of the costs last summer & paper work prevented the deal from happening last season.

we were never interested in kroos or hundreds of other names that have been bandied here in the last 6 months. that's just newspaper nonsense you & others love to swallow line hook & sinker.

kroos agent denied the claim vehemently & told the media we never even submitted a single bid to sign his player. so how can van gaal cancel a deal that was never on?

elampiro: How was Shaw deal under 90% completion when he could have joined Chelsea ahead of us? Deals get cancelled the last minute.
How come he had the power to stop Kroos negotiations?

which chelsea was shaw joining? prove to us here that chelsea made "official bids" to sign luke shaw. also prove we were ever interested enough to submit an official bid to bayern munich to sign kroos.

mourinho who's far more rabid than van gaal had transfers imposed on him by his employer & yet van gaal would cancel a deal that almost made woodward a laughing stock last summer. when you become a manager, the first thing you should do is to cancel what your employer had been chasing for 12 months.

your promotion would be rapid!

elampiro: But do you agree that Gaal could have stopped these signings?

dem no born him papa well. stop which transfers? you think this is swansea or chelsea - football institutions with no history? how would it have looked on van gaal to stop deals that were 90% into completion? it would then mean he doesn't trust the judgement of his assistant & his chairman.

white people don't reason like that!

I guess over £50m was spent on these two boys. If you were the coach of Man United, would you just allow £50m to be spent without your own conviction?

yes - the deals were in the pipeline before my arrival. united had identified, contacted & negotiated with the agents of the players involved. personal terms had been agreed on herrera since last season. documentation & deadline stopped the deal last summer. why wouldn't i trust the judgement of my employer and the person i personally chose to assist me?

The moment Gaal took over, he became responsible for transfer. Even a village manager wouldn't know he has to be the one to be responsible for deals once he takes over a 'shop'. Gaal could have made Cleverley the captain and sell Rooney to PSG and nobody will talk.

that's different - it does not concern giggs or woodward who van gaal decides to sell or make a captain. transfer deals nearing completion before van gaal's arrival concerns everyone at the top.

deadline day prevented us from signing herrera last season. promises must have been made last summer that we would come for him this year. more often than not, herrera would have been lured to sign a pre-contract agreement as at january to ensure no other big club comes for him.

how can van gaal overrule such? i reiterate, dem no born him papa well.

StarBoard: So how come the same van Gaal tells people after that said interview you people are clutching to that he needs to assess his players before signing anybody?
Did that include Herrera and Shaw?
If yes, then we can conclude there was no need to go on preseason tour because he already knew them.
If no, then he didn't sign them. Simple.

van gaal was in brazil when shaw & herrera were signed. they were the signings of woodward/giggs. at best, he would only have glanced through the scout report on the 2 players.....there's no way van gaal would be interested in a player that looks like this.

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elampiro: This interview was given on 23 Jul 2014, after Gaal had been training with Man United players for days including his two signings (Luke and Herrrera) who have joined 3 weeks before.

when this interview was made had no relevance to the matter. van gaal reiterated he needed to assess his players before knowing what to buy - logic dictates none of the players currently at united as of today were van gaal's signing.

yet, he might have "approved" the signings and that is because he would have trusted the judgement of giggs(his assistant) & woodward(his chairman) on those transfers. it's not because he knew them enough to have signed them if he was acting single-handedly.

as of today, van gaal hasn't made his own signing.

StarBoard: simple,
Let him resign.
If we are all about cash and no longer about football, I would understand.

it was one of the worst succession process ever. a big club like united should have done better. when gill announced his stepping-down from his role in feb 2013, woodward should have been summoned to old trafford with immediate effect to learn the ropes from fergie.

they kept him in london till fergie announced his retirement. so he never had the chance to work with gill/fergie. he was new in the job & the role itself. he has never negotiated transfer deals or player wages.

so it's the fault of the management. woodward was just the sacrificial lamb. he can only lure tomato makers to sponsor united, he doesn't know why shaw is valued at £28m. hell, woodward wouldn't know why 2-footed tackle is a red card.

ED WOODWARD

He's a former investment banker and key Glazer family ally, seen as a driving force behind Manchester United's commercial growth.

While Ed Woodward, 40, may not be a household name, he has built a strong reputation during his eight years at the Old Trafford club.

And this summer Woodward will step into the limelight when he takes over from chief executive David Gill, who is standing down.
A significant figure in the Glazer family's 2005 takeover, Woodward has played a pivotal role at United ever since.


As executive vice-chairman, the Briton is responsible for United's commercial strategy but, after Gill's departure on 30 June, he will assume responsibilities on the football side, including player transfers and salary negotiations.

Woodward will retain his current title, and is expected to remain at the club's London offices, with commercial director Richard Arnold becoming the most senior figure based at Old Trafford.


A close ally of the US-based Glazer family, Woodward told BBC Sport in a rare interview last October of his support for their financial approach, which has attracted vehement criticism in some quarters for loading debt on to the club.


He said: "They don't view us as even being at base camp in terms of climbing the mountain of what we can do with this business.
"Our debt, taking a house comparison, is like a mortgage. And it's small relative to the value of the business. And the person living inside it is getting richer and richer and richer in terms of income every year.

"We're verging on £100m more a year of commercial revenue than when the Glazers bought the club."
Woodward himself is largely credited with this upturn, overseeing a series of worldwide sponsorship deals that saw commercial income over the last three months of 2012 rise to £35.6m, an increase of 29% on the corresponding period in 2011. From 2014, one such deal will see Chevrolet pay United £51m a season for shirt sponsorship alone.


A lead role at the 19-time English champions may seem an unexpected direction for a Bristol University physics graduate, although Woodward began his career with PricewaterhouseCoopers' accountancy and tax advisory department in 1993, qualifying as a chartered accountant in 1996.


In 1999 he moved to JP Morgan, where he worked as a senior investment banker in their international mergers and acquisitions team.
It was there that he advised the Glazer family on their takeover at Old Trafford, and was invited to join United in 2005.

He was initially given a financial planning role, before taking on responsibility for United's commercial and media operations in 2007 and becoming a director in 2012.

Woodward had no experience of working in sport before he joined United, but began attending Premier League shareholder meetings alongside Gill in 2012 in an attempt to increase his understanding of football politics.


His new role will require him to work more closely with United boss Sir Alex Ferguson, who described Gill's departure as "a big loss".
Ferguson, however, added that the expansion of Woodward's role would ensure continuity at the club.


He said: "United are great at promoting from within and we have done it again with Ed Woodward stepping up.
"Remember, David came as the finance director and ended up as chief executive.
"From the football side, Mike Phelan came as reserve coach and ended up as my assistant. Rene Meulensteen came as a development coach and is now my first-team coach. Brian McClair came as a youth coach and is now director of the academy.

"We see quality and potential in a lot of our staff. That happens throughout the club. There shouldn't be a big problem."
The long-term future of Ferguson, who turned 71 in December, is arguably the biggest issue facing Woodward.

Ferguson has not revealed any intention to retire, but Woodward told BBC Sport in October of his involvement in the plans to find a successor.

He said: "We have a view as to what that process [appointing a new manager] will look like in terms of finding a replacement and what type of manager we want and how and when we'll go about it.
"But it's in the drawer and long may it stay in the drawer."

starboard.....that's the profile of the man you want to blame. this dude is a physics graduate that later became an investment banker. he knows nada about sports & he doesn't look like someone who is even interested in watching football.

StarBoard: Boss you are in a twisting mood this morning.
How can you be talking to a United Boss to be about signings that took place in January and August the previous year?

why then does van Gall want to assess players you claim he knew of and signed himself?

van gaal wants to assess rooney, nani, valencia, welbeck first before knowing what to add to the squad........but he didn't need to assess herrera & shaw before signing them cos he must have known them from heaven.

StarBoard: If Woodward wanted to understudy Gill, distance wouldn't be a problem.
It's not the 60s where we use postage stamps and sh^t to communicate.
Woodward is as incompetent as they come.

i doubt he knew he was getting the job!
he was in london popping champagne to celebrate sealed deals.

he's a top businessman - they said he can sell akara for £20,000 to anyone. he's a commercial guy, you need a football acolyte to do the job he's doing now. woodward doesn't even watch football games.

StarBoard: How so?
I'm not absolving him of responsibility, he's paid to do the job.
If he's not fit to prove himself, let him resign and let United shop for a proven hand or something of the like.
I do not want to believe that Woodward,most likely being the most senior person after Gill, didn't understudy Gill in any capacity so as to either prepare himself for a possible stint as United CEO or some place else.

that exactly was the problem.
woodward's office was at london when gill & fergie were in old trafford. all woodward did was to run after big companies and sell our product to them. united opened a commercial office in london which woodward managed and their operation is non-football related.

they just call dangote & adenuga, lure them to shell the top dollar on the united brand. woodward knows nothing about on-the-pitch issues like player transfer. looking at his face, i doubt he knows anything about the offside rule.

elampiro: No no. Coogar misinterpreted it 100%. I want to believe it is deliberate too.

please please....don't start your early morning madness here with your lack of comprehension.

van gaal

'At this moment, I cannot say anything about the squad and additions.

'I want to learn about my players and get to know them. When I am the coach and when I give the orders to my players to play a certain way, I want to see how they perform.

'That is why I cannot answer this question just now. I want to give all players the chance to show themselves under my guidance.

'I have to say that the players’ response to me so far has been fantastic. Maybe you think every trainer coach will say that when they are new, but I mean it.

'The players are very anxious to do what I say and follow the instructions of my assistants.

'The focus of what I have seen in training sessions is top level, but we have to see if the performances are also top level.'

unless van gaal has been watching luke shaw & herrera since last year(before moyes was even appointed), then it's clear as daylight he didn't sign shaw & herrera.

it then begs the question - why would van gaal be monitoring players that were yet to become united players when he himself was yet to become a united manager?

so van gaal had seen enough of luke & herrera to sign them but he hadn't seen enough of the united players he was supposed to manage & he now needs time to assess them first?

elampawa, where's your logic?

StarBoard: Thanks a lot for the clarification.
Apparently everyone else aside from the two of us believes in the illusion that van Gaal was responsible for signing those two.

woodward & giggs signed shaw & herrera. van gaal clearly stated he would like to see the strength of the squad first before buying any player.....

The fact remains that Ed Woodward is an incompetent person when it comes to signings. Luke shaw's signing is just another bold confirmation.

to be fair to him, it's not his fault!
this dude earned his stripes getting commercial deals with big conglomerates. david gill & fergie should never have been allowed to leave the club at the same time. that was where we got everything wrong.

woodward was the most senior figure at the club when those 2 giants left & you have a useless moyes at the helm of managing the club. both of them were new to the jobs & they lacked the experience needed to secure deals.

StarBoard: Luke Shaw was being lined up before van Gaal's arrival.
That is my own crux of the matter.
That he approved of the signing doesn't mean he had any input. He did not expressly say Shaw was his transfer target.
The way I see it, the Shaw and Herrera signings were part of a strategy to convince Louis van Gaal as to why he should accept the United job.

I still repeat that he will not sign an overweight Shaw for 30 million anything, especially as a 19 year old teenager with nothing but talent/promise.

luke shaw & herrera were 99% united players before we signed van gaal. we missed herrera last summer cos moyes went on ghost chasing fabregas & thiago. shaw rumours were way before moyes was even sacked.

according to giggs.....

"When we met at the end of last season we went through the players who are here and some of the players he liked that will maybe come in. Two have already come in," said Giggs. "It's always hard during the World Cup because a lot of the players you're looking at could still be part of the World Cup, or they’ve just gone out and are now going on holiday for a rest. I'm not sure how many players will come in - we'll have to wait and see.

Dhelake: Abeg, what position was coogar playing as a footballer, Ibime was a striker, I guess coogar was a Defensive midfielder.

the most prolific striker of my generation. i made the senior team as a junior. a second half substitute when the senior team was losing. i scored a brace to turn a potential defeat into a big victory.

chic2pimp:
So you were also a striker like phat ibime abi? .... Na wa o. Okay na who dey ball pass u or ibime? Wonders shall never cease sha

ibime won't be able to match my pace, guile and vision. in my debut game, i was quick to see the central defender of the opposing team had a slight injury on his left foot. i kept putting the ball on his left side & he couldn't recover to dispossess me.

raumdeuter: Why do you enjoy lying shamefully? Thats why no one takes you serious

A player who had a fractured foot and a torn ligament wasnt injured?

how's that a serious injury? how many games did he miss via those injuries in comparison to a defender bought for $25m and had to wait 13 months to make his debut!

13 months? 13 months??

raumdeuter: And when he recovered in 2005, How many games did he play for Real Madrid?

you don't recover from a 13-month injury!
when i was still a striker in my heydays, i tore my knee ligament & i was out for 6 months. it put paid to my amateur career for good.

i had to learn how to walk again like a child. i was put through various sessions of hydro/physiotherapy & my fitness never made it to the top level i was before the injury.

raumdeuter: [size=18pt]Soccer-Roundup-Woodgate voted worst signing of the 21st century[/size]
MADRID, July 26 Thu Jul 26, 2007 1:20pm BST

* England defender Jonathan Woodgate was voted the worst signing of the 21st century by readers of www.marca.com, the Web site for Spain's biggest selling sports daily.

The 27-year-old was the runaway winner polling 37.11 percent of the votes cast on their Web page, the newspaper said.

Real Madrid signed "Woody" from Newcastle United for around $25 million in August 2004 but because of a thigh injury he did not make his debut until September 2005.

His first official game turned into a nightmare when he scored an own goal and was sent off in the league match against Athletic Bilbao at the Bernabeu.

Woodgate was put out on loan to Premier League Middlesbrough in August 2006 and the move became permanent for a fee of $14 million earlier this year.

He made only 14 competitive appearances for Real Madrid.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2007/07/26/soccer-world-digest-idUKL2625990220070726

and dayo's acute idiocy failed to spot this key part of the article.

Real Madrid signed "Woody" from Newcastle United for around $25 million in August 2004 but because of a thigh injury he did not make his debut until September 2005.

injury kept him from playing, not bad performance. loads of world class defenders have scored own goals & truck loads of them have copped red cards.

he was sidelined by injuries for 13 months when he was first signed. seeing that you are a serial idïot, i am sure you expected a player nursing an injury to play as many games as metzelder.

all4naija: Ebola, fool? Can't you differentiate between what you said and what happened elsewhere? You are loosing! I think you are mad! The earlier you realize that the better for you to see a psychiatrist. You i d i o t! Great LIAR!

ebola was artificially introduced to liberia by the US government to sell drugs. it's another vaccine fraud that would soon be exposed like the tuskegee & the mumps fraud.

i must be brilliant to see the fraud here and it's similar to the past antecedents. you must have been born with testiclës in your brain to swallow everything you watch on CNN line hook and sinker.

StarBoard: Van Gaal won't sign a 19 year old for 30 million.
I'm sure we should expect Vidal to have already signed with his knees for £48 million if he sanctioned the Shaw buy.
It's funny how we are saying Vidal isn't worth that price yet we feel van Gaal should take responsibility for something that clearly isn't his making.

van gaal doesn't even know who luke shaw was until van gaal was hired. what has luke shaw won to be known? what did he win to be rated £30m

rooney had conquered teams in europe in 2004 before he was signed for £27m. luke shaw has nothing on his CV. he wasn't even the best left back in the PL last season.

where did the hype come from? his transfer is worse than marouane's but he's english so you won't hear a pin drop about this.

raumdeuter: Starring ko, GULDERing ni
9 league appearances in 3 seasons was all Woodgate could get in Madrid. The only English defender to go outside ended up a mortal embarassment
He broke a record in his Madrid debut scoring an own goal and getting sent off
Metzelder managed 23 apps in 3 seasons, Woodgate managed like a 3rd of that

woodgate was injured
metzelder never had one serious injury in 3 seasons and he played only 23 times in the league.

your countrymen are continental embarrassment when it comes to defending. midfield & attack is germany's strength, never the defence!

raumdeuter: When Rio lifts a world cup get back to me. The decent players and English dont even go together. When you produce one decent player in ANY department of football get back to me.

rio has won all the relevant cup competitions there is in his career. he cannot win the world cup just like ronaldo & messi will never win it. their country of birth is the key here, not the talent.

would you say muller is better than messi just because messi hasn't won the world cup? you must be a very stüpid man - i have told you to always bring your common sense with you when coming here.

we united fans will treat the insanity & the rabid symptoms you display from thread to thread. go to the other club threads & bark like a dog. we have zero tolerance for kraut wankërs.

Mention one top team with an English Central defender in the last 30yrs. The are shyte in and out. Thats why no team wants to even have anything to do with them, except for clubs in their league who buy them for National solidarity.

the premier league is the richest league in the world. it's a step down if rio leaves england for any other league - i remember woodgate starring for madrid. when metzelder went to madrid, he was a spare tyre. 23 league appearances in 3 seasons told us all we need to know about german defenders.

Badstuber at his worst is even better than Ferdinand that became the favourite play thing of an obese Yakubu

that's why badstuber was mortally destroyed at old trafford by valencia.

See the players you mentioned from Germany now we are talking about a country who produced useless players like Rio, Upson, Cahill, Campbell, Martin Keown etc. Imagine Jaglieka starting defender?

None of these players would even play for Nigeria

the same cahill that won the champions league on german soil? the same rio that won a champions league unbeaten? the same rio that went 25 games unbeaten in the CL?

you are a disgrace to common sense!!!

raumdeuter: Well Mertersacker is no worse than Rio Ferdinand yet Rio has 80 caps as well.

when mertesacker plays in 2 CL final back to back, he can get a mention. the last decent german defender would be matthias sammer & that's some 20 years ago.

you have managed to produce zero talent from that department for 2 decades. defence isn't what make germany great, midfield & attack is the key.

mention one top team in the world with a german central defender in the last 15 years. they are all-animal shyte! no team simply wants them.

Its England anyway who have capped footballed like Matt Upson, Rio, Andy Carrol, Scot Carson, even Scot Parker was captain

you have capped mortal ïdiots like badstuber(he hasn't recovered since valencia & nani took turns to räpe him), guido buchwald, metzelder, augenthaler, reuter & friedrich.

none of these players are as good as shawcross!

all4naija: Can't prove how America created EBOLA virus, liar?! Prove it! If you can't then accept your error and move on with your miserable life! You hopeless fool!

you have been sonned, faggöt!
within 24 hours, i have exposed 3 vaccine frauds in your adopted country. you should bow your head in shame & walk away quietly.

your intelligence on global matters is kindergarten at best. don't you fücking ever in your poverty-impoverished life square up to me on current affairs cos you shall be exposed as a brain-addled nonentity.

raumdeuter: Lol. Boateng vs the Fearsome Barcelona in the CL semi = 0 goals conceded.

Boateng in a CL final. Best defender of the night

Boateng in a World cup final, Best player of the night

When RIo, his descendants or any of his country men achieve all those get back to me.

Rio would never make any German side. You can take that to the bank

the same german side that has produced some of the most idiotic defenders on the planet? fools like metresacker has close to 110 caps for germany. you are having a laugh!

RuuDie: Well, I always knew it was heading in this direction; for some of the same things the previous gaffer would have been crucified for, folks will be looking for where to shift the goal-post to. Now, all of a sudden, Woodward is trending... by game 5, it may be Giggs. smh!

herrera & shaw had been pencilled down to be bought by moyes. woodward must have had advanced talks before van gaal arrived. we signed shaw before LVG even arrived in manchester.

woodward/giggs signed shaw. LVG wouldn't touch him with a pole if we had hired LVG last summer. i doubt LVG has ever even seen him
play.

raumdeuter: When blanket, Rio Ferdinand or any Manure defender dominates a CL final and a world cup final get back with the asinine comparison.

rio dominated the final in 2008. rio stopped the triple assault of barca in the semis & stopped them from scoring a goal in 180 minutes of football.

rio is better than any german central defender in the last 20 years. bring up any german defender of your choice & let's compare to rio "rolls royce" ferdinand.

all4naija: Shut the f**k up! Didn't you say America created EBOLA virus, liar?! You are one hell of a brute! You need to go back to the forest you came out of. You i d i o t!

you were the love-child of the sex union between acute stüpidity & dementia. america created the recent pandemic in liberia from a logical standpoint.

•liberia is their colony
•deaths in africa won't raise any eyebrow
•america's past history of vaccine frauds
•the recent spike in share prices of mapp & tekmira.

if you cannot follow this logic & all the evidences i have unearthed that your adopted country is more corrupted than mugabe then you should find a long rope, a strong beam to tie it to & do the obvious.

you are a disgrace to the recipient of your y-chromosomes!

chrisley024: We've nothing else to do than to pray he serves us well.

£30m investment?
pray he serves us well? do you know how many european players we could have gotten for that fee? rojo is 20 times better than shaw and he's £15m. we could have gotten hummels & rojo for the fee we paid for shaw.

chrisley024: I think it's too early to judge

too early to judge?
so you bought a brand new car that's supposed to cost half of what you paid. few days before you decided to launch it, you discovered a big engine problem that will take the car 4 weeks to fix.

is that a bad market or not?

StarBoard: Who else will sanction paying 30 million for an unproven minor aside Moyes and his buddy Wooden head?

moyes sanctioned it. we could have gotten contreao for half that price when we failed to land herrera last summer transfer window.

Then some peeps will try to absolve him of any transfer misgivings when it is clear he is just a greenhorn in the art of signing players.
He (Shaw) is already a dud signing.
We would have signed Elderson Echiejile on a free transfer and gotten a lot more than this fake wannabe would ever dream of giving us

luke shaw's signing was odd from the get-go. it's like the moyes signing. he was too expensive, untested, unproven and even unfit.

chrisley024: Bad market

the worst market ever.....
he was ridiculously expensive, he arrived unfit & van gaal had to straighten him out & now he's injured for 4 weeks.

how did he pass his medicals for fück's sake? we can spend £30m on this rubbish & we couldn't spend this on hummels who is 20 times better?

Manchester United’s Luke Shaw out for a month with hamstring injury

• England left-back picked up injury in training this week
• Expected to miss first four Premier League games
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this was written in the stars. £30m investment, untested & unproven teenager out for a month even before the season started.....

whoever sanctioned this deal is a morön! luke shaw has the rooney genes. they are too bulky to be footballers. they are more like boxers or lumbermen.

5minsmadness: So I'm sitting at a bar having my second glass of black label. Very upset with my girlfriend right now. Why do women have to make themselves the centre of everything? Why does everything have to be about them? Me, me, me, mine, mine, mine, my appointment, my time, my day, my dress, my skin?

They always seem to want something! I havent seen any girl that doesn't demand for something from a guy sooner or later. Then when you as k for a little luv they go all moral n judgemental. If I walk out of this one now they'll say am stingy. If I stay am a sucker.
Nonsense.
***orders for another glass of black label.

yes.....you are stingy!
spend this money on your girlfriend. if she's worth her value in gold, she will pay you in back in cash or.......................in kind.

all4naija: I can see that you are still holding on to your speculation without evidences. That makes you look silly and look like a primitive person in this argument. Going by your ignorance you haven't been about to prove with your Tuskegee's case that Ebola was created in the lab. The fact that somebody in previous posts has explained to you that Ebola has been killing people in places like Congo in the 70s, in Sudan and Uganda make you very adamantly foolish. It is a sad case of somebody trying to prove to be learned yet exhibiting the ability of a brute. Do you know what you are doing is falsehood? You can only prove that Ebola is created when you have refutable evidences to support your claim not speculations. When you start bringing Tuskegee's incidence in the 40's, which in all ramification of our discussion is different as the syphilis then was attacking mostly black people and the project conducted by CDC didn't provide any evidence it was created in the lab there is no need of using it to define Ebola. It only makes you look more silly than ever before. Your inability to differentiate and have a substantial proofs to defend your deriding claims is appalling. It is not helping you at all. You need to get education.



Bwahaha...What is a firewood background. I don't know the kind of idiomatic expression you are using in this argument because it is not making sense. The fact that Africans can not get organized and live a civilized life buttress my points from what I say about them. My view of Africa and Africans is to get organized and live a civilized life and I am not seeing that yet than people coming here with nonsense expecting to think they are something special. We are already a big problem to the world all over with poverty cases, running around different nations of the world with dirtiness, showing unruly lives and refuse to learn. Who want to associate with people who cannot fashion a way to move their people forward? But want to mouth around as though they are doing the best from a primitive cultural perspective. Please, go and f**k yourself because you haven't shown any sign of an intelligent human being here.

You see. You haven't read the Tuskegee's incidence. They were volunteers in the first case. Most of them in the African American community where already infected by the disease. You cannot read to comprehend. The problem with that case is CDC saying they should carry on with the project after it has been found some of the blacks are dying from the indirect complications of the diseas after penicillin has be found to be effective against it. Not the case of using them for the research that is the problem. You i d i o t!



Lol...@ glorified simpleton! I wish you can make sense and try as much as possible to convey your argument in a meaningful way. The efficacy of the drug is not the problem but the actually side effects which the healthcare company refused to address before using it on the public while bribing healthcare workers to give it to patience in the absence of passing through approval of government drug agency is. I hope you know this is different from Tuskegee's case as it is not about Africa American any more as you trying to ascertain in your argument that Ebola is about RACE. Bwahaha... I d i o t! I know you aren't smart as you think.


That is a joke! You are really delutional. You have forgotten your post where you claim that. Somebody asked you if you are sure that America created the Ebola virus. I quote you below:



Hahaha... You are now going after GKS as a case to prove your senseless false claim. The company is by no means the one that created the condition it is finding solution to. If you think because it'd paid $3 billion for not following ethics and must be used to address every case in point you are dead wrong. It is like saying car can kill because of that people shouldn't drive. You are not making sense though. You can never reason with you forest-exhibiting mentality. Not in this developed world you are required to proffer any solution from your primitive person's outlook.


Looking at the way you have being trying all possible means to demonize America proves you are scared of the country. Out of your utter hate and ignorance it is very clear that is the case. If not, I cannot see the reason why you cannot provide a convincing evidence to support your points than peddling false information online.



You are an ugly nitwit exercising a cognition of a monkey trying to show it is very intelligent than human beings. That is completely unacceptable and totally absurd.


Ha! I can see you are going through some form of depression. A hopeless fellow who is not always making sense yet wants to be seen as having good points. Qaddafi lecture you mention here is nothing but full of nonsensical views. The same way you fool yourself here you did in that argument, beating about the bush without anything to show for it.

uncle tom is still here bleating like the epileptic beast of burden that he was created to be. you want to be white by force - why don't just go the michael jackson route with a facial surgery to boot. you hate your skin so müch, you would fellatë on a white caucasian to cure your acute dementia.

this is another case of vaccine fraud in america(your adopted country). according to 2 merck virologists named krahling & wlochowski, merck company engaged in the following criminal behaviour:

•merck knowingly falsified it's mumps vaccine test results to fabricate a "95% efficacy rate"

•in order to do this, merck spiked the blood test with animal antibodies in order to artificially inflate until appearance immune system antibodies.

•merck then used the falsified trial results to swindle the US government out of billions of dollars for a vaccine that does not provide adequate vaccination.

•merck's vaccine fraud has actually contributed to the continuation of mumps across america, causing more innocent children to he infected with mumps.

•merck used it's false claims of 95% effectiveness to monopolise the vaccine market & eliminate possible competitors with good intentions

•merck's vaccine fraud has been going on since the late 90s

•testing of merck's vaccine was never gone against real world mumps viruses in the wild. instead, test results were simply falsified to achieve desired outcome.

•this entire vaccine fraud took place with the knowledge, authority and approval of merck's senior management & possibly someone in the senate.
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and this is the stupïd country that this homoerötic nuisance called all4naija is praising for pulling the world forward. you are a media sheep......that's your entire formal education reduced to shreds within 2 minutes.

you are so poor in spirit, fortune tellers cannot see into your future. get the fück out of my face before i undréss you any further, you obdurate serial wänker!

anuofia!!!!

all4naija: Oh, shut it! You couldn't provide evidence to support your view that America is likely responsible for the creation of Ebola you have being peddling here. You rumor monger. I am very ashamed of your primitive human approach to this debate. There is a reason to get rid of people like you in this modern generation because you are causing more problems to humanity than good.

in the punditry of hard currency, your intelligence is worth less than the iraqi dinar. if i could establish that GSK pleaded guilty to felony and were asked to pay $3 billion, how is it impossible that mapp & tekmira(smaller companies) could have done the same?

do you think the truth behind the tuskegee experiment came out almost immediately? it wasn't until 1997 that bill clinton gave a presidential apology to the surviving victims of that act of human depravity on behalf of the american government & FDA. the project started in 1932. so open your brains & get some education i'm about to serve.

There is need to curl bad people who are pulling the world forward. Those who are bent on mass procreation of babies and who have nothing to offer the world than dirty environment and smelling human beings. You smelling thing.

you are a product of a firewood background.
this is why you can open your mouth & say rubbish about africans. when your slave-masters infected african americans with syphilis as a control experiment, lured them with $50 stipend & hid the truth from them, they were pulling the world forward then?

you have the brain power of a pubic louse!

GKS pleaded guilty for using the drug in an unethical way by healthcare works through bribery, nothing fully knowing thee side effects,etc and that does not mean it was planning to kill people to sell drug(as you trying to prove in the case of Ebola). The same thing can be said about Pfizer in Nigeria. Not to lose its reputation it has to abandon the project yet there is still polio ravaging the Northern part of the country.

you are a glorified simpleton!
GSK pleaded guilty to felony cos they lied about the efficiency of the drug they produced so as to sell & increase share prices in the stock market. they knew the drug wasn't good enough so they paid scientists to lie about the efficiency knowing it had dangerous side effects.

What a way to go with proving your overly acclaimed creating of Ebola by America and the ZMAPP company is doing that to rip Africans by selling anti-viral drugs to the people. An you claim they are possibly testing the virus on Africans to rip them by selling the drug back to the people, as if poor Africans have the money. You are delusional! You need to be educated for misleading people in this thread by your silly conspiracy theory.

what an arseholë!!!
explain this then, you pillock....

http://money.msn.com/top-stocks/post--shares-of-ebola-drug-maker-soar-again

You still haven't been able to prove the Ebola is created in American lab. Where Ebola is created in America?

no one said ebola was created in america, you plonker. i only said the recent pandemic in liberia was artificially created to increase the share price of mapp & the other pharmaceutical company involved.

lo & behold - GSK that just recently paid fine for felonious crime is now part of the companies involved in developing the ebola vaccine. if that doesn't smell to you, then you are a disgrace to whichever school you passed through. they clearly failed every module required in developing your mental state.

Senseless human being who is always suspicious of everything. Your fear of America will kill you early. Go and get education, barbarian.

what's there to fear about america? only field niggaz like you fear the slave masters. america is a swamp of piss - this is why there's a global disrespect of their stars & stripes.

you are perhaps a recto-cranially inverted twit. at least, you would leave here once again knowing you have been schooled again on a subject matter you know nothing about.

next time, know your facts about the felonies committed by pharmaceutical companies before ranting like a photosensitive epileptic patient that you are. i had to literally lecture you about gadaffi few days ago. this time around, i just want to humiliate you by undressing you in public.

afrodoc: nobody is arguing that logic, at least i am not.
but is it enough to think cleverley is as good as those guys just simply because they have better players round them?
chelsea might as well buy Mulumbu to replace Matic, at least Mulumbu will be at least as good as Matic cos Mulumbu right now has poor players round him

if you aren't arguing that logic, why then is it reasonable to compare kroos with cleverley? kroos played in bayern who were better than man utd while kroos was still there. kroos plays for germany, 100% better than england/man utd so where is the comparison?

would bayern have missed winning the league last season in the absence of kroos? no. would germany have missed winning the world cup without toni kroos? no. what then does kroos add to the teams he played for? pretty little - as little as cleverley, fellaini or even mulumbu would also add if they replace kroos.