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elampiro: 1. (THROUGH BALL definition) 'A pass made through the opposing teams defense into open space for a teammate to run on to.'

of course - and rooney had only 21% accuracy in this statistics. 7 out of 34. a player with 79% faulty through-pass shouldn't even be in this discussion.

You said Berba and Chicha played behind Rooney in 2011/12. How come they made a combine 5 through balls all season and only 3 were accurate? Welbeck made 3 through balls and all three were accurate? Now all three support striker made only 8 through balls in 38 matches all season. You can see how they starved Rooney when he led. But only Rooney delivered 34 through balls and all three other strikers were only able to win 7 of them. Ineffective co-strikers who can't deliver through balls.

what's this elampiro chatting about - berbatov played a total of 512 league mins in 11/12. that's not even up to 6 full matches. rooney played 2839 mins that season, that's 32 full matches. only elampiro would expect a striker with 6 matches to match rooney that played 32 matches in the number of through-balls.

Berbatov and Chicharito are really 'starvers'. They starve their team mates and are highly unproductive. Coupled with fact that they lose possession only few times of touching the ball with little pressure. Rooney touches the ball several times over without losing it and he does it under immense pressure.

berbatov - 73 min/goal
rooney - 105 min/goal

who is more useless?

2. Berbatov three goals against Liverpool and one more agaist Everton were only his commendable achievements. The rest goals were against weak teams- 5 against Blackburn, 3 against Birmingham, 2 against blackpool, sunderland, fulham, bolton etc. He can't face big oppositions.

very weak point - every goal counts - every league victory = 3 points. hatrick against liverpool outperforms whatever rooney brought on board that season. berba is the king.

3. In a season of 38 fixtures, his EPL goals were in 10 fixtures. He went dry in 28 fixtures. He was not the reason we won the league. Rooney's goals and assists across several matches were more useful to the team.

this is another lie - berbatov started 24 league games, scored 21 league goals. he did not appear in 4 games and was a substitute 8 times. he scored at least one in 11 league games out of 24 starts. that's a very remarkable performance.

Berbatov led the attack and could not score in 28 fixtures in the season. Shame. Rooney playing from midfield that season contributed to goals more via goals and assists and won more matches.

stop lying - berbatov did not feature in all the 38 league fixtures. berbatov did not score from any penalty that season. in the games where penalties were won, where berba could have added to the number of opposition scored against, rooney took the penalty.

4. In 2011/12 Rooney scored far more goals Berbatov can ever dream of. Discount his penalty, his remaining 25 goals beat Berba 20 of 2010/11.

berbatov scored 21 league goals in 2010/11 - rooney scored 21 league goals in 2011/12(excluding penalties). however, rooney got more playing time in 2011/12 than berbatov did in 2010/11.

5. You claimed Rooney scored 15 penalty. He scored 13/14 depending the Reina's save he shot in again. From his 156 goals he has just 14 penalies therein.

he's scored 15 - the reina save that was later scored can only be scored by the penalty taker. if giggs took the penalty, giggs would have also scored from the rebound.

6. You are still repaeting chances from corners. United is weak in converting from corners, most are headed away by opponents.

united scored the most from set-pieces last season. google it!

Berbatov will have Rooneys goals to ever chase in his life. 2009/10 Rooney 26 goals 4 penalties = 22. Yet he won some. Perhaps 24 goals without penalties.
2011/12 Rooney scored 27 goals, less 6 penalties 21 better than Berba. Add 2 penalties won, Rooney ended on 23 goals.

berbatov had less minutes on the pitch to score his 21 league goals. berbatov's min/goal stat is better than rooney has ever managed at old trafford.

even from your dodgy calculations.....

excluding penalties
rooney 09/10 - 22 goals in 2710 mins
rooney 11/12 - 21 goals in 2839 mins
berbatov 10/11 - 21 goals in 2210 mins
berbatov 11/12 - 5 goals in 512 mins

rooney(09/10) - 123.18 mins/goal
rooney(11/12) - 135.19 mins/goal
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berbatov(10/11) - 105.20 mins/goal
berbatov(11/12) - 102.4 mins/goal

The £4m striker who can't rise in big games and CL should go to Doncaster United.

yet he's scored 48 international goals for bulgaria in 78 games while rooney is yet to hit 40 international goals in 83 games. berbatov mauled rooney for club and country.

elampiro: 1. (THROUGH BALL definition) 'A pass made through the opposing teams defense into open space for a teammate to run on to.'

of course - and rooney had only 21% accuracy in this statistics. 7 out of 34. a player with 79% faulty through-pass shouldn't even be in this discussion.

You said Berba and Chicha played behind Rooney in 2011/12. How come they made a combine 5 through balls all season and only 3 were accurate? Welbeck made 3 through balls and all three were accurate? Now all three support striker made only 8 through balls in 38 matches all season. You can see how they starved Rooney when he led. But only Rooney delivered 34 through balls and all three other strikers were only able to win 7 of them. Ineffective co-strikers who can't deliver through balls.

what's this elampiro chatting about - berbatov played a total of 512 league mins in 11/12. that's not even up to 6 full matches. rooney played 2839 mins that season, that's 32 full matches. only elampiro would expect a striker with 6 matches to match rooney that played 32 matches in the number of through-balls.

Berbatov and Chicharito are really 'starvers'. They starve their team mates and are highly unproductive. Coupled with fact that they lose possession only few times of touching the ball with little pressure. Rooney touches the ball several times over without losing it and he does it under immense pressure.

berbatov - 73 min/goal
rooney - 105 min/goal

who is more useless?

2. Berbatov three goals against Liverpool and one more agaist Everton were only his commendable achievements. The rest goals were against weak teams- 5 against Blackburn, 3 against Birmingham, 2 against blackpool, sunderland, fulham, bolton etc. He can't face big oppositions.

very weak point - every goal counts - every league victory = 3 points. hatrick against liverpool outperforms whatever rooney brought on board that season. berba is the king.

3. In a season of 38 fixtures, his EPL goals were in 10 fixtures. He went dry in 28 fixtures. He was not the reason we won the league. Rooney's goals and assists across several matches were more useful to the team.

this is another lie - berbatov started 24 league games, scored 21 league goals. he did not appear in 4 games and was a substitute 8 times. he scored at least one in 11 league games out of 24 starts. that's a very remarkable performance.

Berbatov led the attack and could not score in 28 fixtures in the season. Shame. Rooney playing from midfield that season contributed to goals more via goals and assists and won more matches.

stop lying - berbatov did not feature in all the 38 league fixtures. berbatov did not score from any penalty that season. in the games where penalties were won, where berba could have added to the number of opposition scored against, rooney took the penalty.

4. In 2011/12 Rooney scored far more goals Berbatov can ever dream of. Discount his penalty, his remaining 25 goals beat Berba 20 of 2010/11.

berbatov scored 21 league goals in 2010/11 - rooney scored 21 league goals in 2011/12(excluding penalties). however, rooney got more playing time in 2011/12 than berbatov did in 2010/11.

5. You claimed Rooney scored 15 penalty. He scored 13/14 depending the Reina's save he shot in again. From his 156 goals he has just 14 penalies therein.

he's scored 15 - the reina save that was later scored can only be scored by the penalty taker. if giggs took the penalty, giggs would have also scored from the rebound.

6. You are still repaeting chances from corners. United is weak in converting from corners, most are headed away by opponents.

united scored the from set-pieces last season. google it!

Berbatov will have Rooneys goals to ever chase in his life. 2009/10 Rooney 26 goals 4 penalties = 22. Yet he won some. Perhaps 24 goals without penalties.
2011/12 Rooney scored 27 goals, less 6 penalties 21 better than Berba. Add 2 penalties won, Rooney ended on 23 goals.

berbatov had less minutes on the pitch to score his 21 league goals. berbatov's min/goal stat is better than rooney has ever managed at old trafford.

The £4m striker who can't rise in big games and CL should go to Doncaster United.

yet he's scored 48 international goals for bulgaria in 78 games while rooney is yet to hit 40 international goals in 83 games. berbatov mauled rooney for club and country.

elampiro: 1. Until you produce a similar comprehensive chart for 2012/13 season, anything else will be useless.

the most meaningful stats have been provided in that chart. anything else is irrelevant as far as strikers are concerned. RVP and chicharito destroyed rooney.

2. Berbatov destroyed Rooney in your eyes? Yet he was sold for £4m. 5 UCL goals in 4 years. He can only destroy weak teams.

the stats we are analysing are in the premier league - who's talking about the CL? in 10/11 and 11/12, berbatov destroyed rooney in the league. it isn't even debatable.

3. Until you are able to prove how many goals that were scored from Rooney's corner kicks and free kicks, your allegation will remain in fallacy- argumento irrelevanto.

plenty of them - rooney only amass stats from set-plays. rooney was taking everything.

3. Chances are not created from corner kicks as regard stat computations. If corner kicks and free kicks were used, Rooney will not need to touch the ball 46 times before losing possession whereas Chicha loses it after 16 touches and Berba 20+. This is despite Rooney getting the ball under pressure.

stop this village way of argument.
OPTA defined chance created as a pass that directly leads to a shot from an intentional assist. each time rooney's corner or indirect freekick has produced a shot from a team-mate, a chance was created

4. If Rooney had not taken corner kicks, his goal tallies would have gone up drastically, because he would surely have scored from corner kicks..

that's the same rooney that stays on the edge of the box looking for spill-over when corners or indirect freekicks are floated into the box. rooney isn't vidic or evra. his heading ability in setplay situation is below average.

5. Through balls and Accurate through balls: which stat are you referring to? Take a look again and laugh at your Berba and Chicha. Rooney does a through ball in every 68 minute, Berba in over 200 minutes and Chicharito in almost 500 minutes.

can't you read? berbatov had 1 accurate through-pass in 2 and chicharito had 1 accurate through-pass in 3. rooney had 7 in 34. it means he wasted 27 through-balls out of his sheer idiocy and lack of common sense.

6. Rooney did 34 through balls, while Berba and Chicha only 3 and 2 respectively all season. Uncreative strikers.

what's the point in throwing passes away when they cannot be accurate? 27 inaccurate passes in 34 is a disgrace. that's an error percentage of a whopping 79%. this simply means berbatov/chicharito would rather take a different option than look for a hopeless through-pass.

7. 2010/11 season, Rooney 13, Berba 7 in same playing time. And hernadez only 2 thru balls in a half playing time of the other two.

they both scored more goals than rooney in that season. if berba scored 21 league goals in 10/11, how come rooney could only score half of those in spite of having more playing time than berba? rooney is useless.

Rooney is the most creative striker in the EPL and also highest scorer over 6 years period. Despite leading the attack he doesn't lose possession- strong on the ball, creative and versatile. Apart from goal scoring position, which players give Chicharito ball under pressure? Only Rooney, Welbeck, Nani and Giggs are capable of receiving pass and controlling the ball under pressure. And stat shows Rooney receives it far more often. That's why our game is weak when he doesn't play.

rooney is the least creative striker in man utd. in the last 6 seasons, he's scored from 15 penalty kicks in the premier league. if we remove 15 goals from rooney's creativity then he's dead in the water........

Berbatov has only 5 Champions league goals all his life. He can only score against weak teams as Blackburn Rovers. Chicharito is also clueless against European oppositions. RVP losses goal sense against European big shots when the going gets tough.

berbatov bagged a hatrick against liverpool(rooney is yet to match that feat in 9 seasons at OT). liverpool are united's fiercest rivals of all time. berba is a giant where lesser mortals like rooney can be. i won't even talk about the other big teams berba has scored against before/after his united career in england.

i have more respect for a striker that scored 21 league goals without a single penalty than rooney who cannot top the scorer's charts without pen. the moment RVP took over the penalty-taking task, rooney was anonymous on the charts.

look at their international career and weep for rooney. chicharito and berbatov have scored more goals for their respective countries than rooney can ever achieve for england - yet, england have the better players as a supporting cast. rooney is an overrate piece of animal shyte.

nateevs: That is the crucial part. You nailed it on the head. Most people like to criticize Rooney's returns and performance forgetting he's doing a hell of a lot more than RVP in terms of team effort. If Rooney moves into a role (striker) where he does a lot less running than he currently does, he will out-perform RVP.

Rooney is a deadly striker.

even when he's instructed to play in the striker role, he did not listen. he gets too attracted to the ball. capello and fergie shouted and ranted but to no effect. rooney is a street footballer, he drifts too much to play the lead striker role. most of the time, he's too far away from goal to finish off chances.

debosky: RVP is 29, Rooney is 27. Do you know how much more improved Rooney can/will be in 2 years? Or how much more improved Rooney would've become if he wasn't used as a utility player by Fergie?

rooney was better at 18/19 than at 27. he's fast declining and he scores in short periods. 10 goals in 3 games then 0 goals in the next 9 games.

RVP's deadliness arose partly from Wenger's single-mindedness - from playing him wide, he put him as CF and kept him there till he fine-tuned his game. No player improves by being shunted all over the pitch.

RVP's deadliness arose because he suddenly realised how to keep himself fit. picking the right moment to press, the kinda tackles to go for and being drafted as a centre-forward.

Give him the No 9 spot exclusively and he will produce even more than RVP.

that's questionable - a striker that's yet to appear in 36 league games, never mind 38 cannot be relied on. rooney's health fitness is nothing to write home about. when he's not having a good game, rooney is worse than ideye....his bottom level is the worst in all the top 5 leagues in europe.

elampiro: The guy has added another chart which shows Chicharito is EPL best player. Why jumping from chart to chart?

If it's statistics, you should just put Chicharito ahead of RVP, Dzeko, Tevez, Ba, Suarez, Bale etc. The hyena is just a situational player who apart from Chelsea shines only in dying minutes against weak teams.

the new chart i added was 2012/13 season and i added that to highlight rooney vs RVP under the same manager, playing with the same team mates under the same circumstance. rooney was disgraced by RVP and chicharito!

in your other post, you managed to contrive all sorts of bullshyte. chances created is a statistic skewed by the fact that rooney is the chief set-piece taker. corner kicks, direct and indirect freekicks, etc are all chance created. berbatov and chicharito do not take set pieces and therefore are disadvantaged in that particular stat.

assist stat is also the same - 70% of rooney's assists are from set plays. if his peers don't take set plays, then the stats cannot be used to judge efficiency.

through balls - rooney's accuracy is a disgrace for a player of his calibre. berbatov 50%, chicharito 33%, rooney 21%. in 2010/11, berbatov 39%, chicharito 29% rooney 32%

this simply shows rooney is the worst in playing a through-pass. he slows down the attack by holding on to the ball way longer than his fellow strikers and what buoys his stats are the stats he gets from set plays. strip rooney off set-plays and he's not better than cameron jerome.

rooney is the worst striker @ man utd since 2010/11. berbatov and chicharito destroyed him for 2 seasons and RVP killed his dream last season as a united player. moyes was right - rooney is now a spare tyre!

BinghiNya: Coogar you have no point there when bayern lost 2 3 to united at old trafford they still Qualified, that's why it is a knockout. Bayern sure knows how to knock arsenal and man utd out over two legs. Bayern progressed against arsenal even bate borisov beat bayern but bayern were the ultimate rulers of europe. Give it to Die Roten

they qualified does not mean they battered united. that's the point i was trying to make dayo see. it's one thing to win a game via away goal rule, it's another thing to use battering to describe a game that could have gone either way. in the FA cup final in 2005, did arsenal batter man utd?

biolabee: Fuuny debate..
Does It mata if bayern lost at the allianz
They got the prize at the rnd

Chelsea lost to napoli 3 1 2 yrs ago but tgey rallued, went thru n won...
I dont see how we can be claiming points of winning a game when we lost the tie

no is disputing who won - but did bayern batter arsenal over the 2 legs? the answer is no. it was neck and neck and this is why the tie ended 3-3. bayern won on a board room decision - they did not win on the pitch.

elampiro: @ Coogar, did you really look at this table? It is telling us RVP is the weakest among the four strikers. And Rooney is best on key parameters.

RVP was an arsenal striker in 11/12. arsenal are inferior to united so the comparison really is between chicharito vs rooney or berbatov vs rooney. berbatov destroyed rooney in those 2 seasons, same as chicharito.

One thing is clear again, Rooney is involved in play/action far more than the rest (the opportunists hyenas). Look at how many times he touches the ball.

how many times rooney touches the ball is as a result of his cluelessness and his set-plays. rooney is involved with throw-ins, cornerkicks, freekicks and penalties. too many touches without releasing the ball is cluelessness - this is why van persie plays more throughballs than rooney.

Rooney's minutes/goal ratio is better than RVP's. Meaning if Rooney had played same time he would have won the golden boot. If SAF had not rested him in some matches because of UCL and his early injury that season, it will be a different story.

that's impossible - rooney cannot play as many minutes as van persie. van persie had 38 apps, rooney has never had 36 league apps in his career. he's overweight, injury prone and ultimately, very unreliable. berbatov destroyed rooney's minutes/goal in the last 2 seasons. he almost doubled rooney's efforts in 2010/11. so far, berbatov is the best amongst the strikers.

RVP shooting accuracy is the weakest.

berbatov is the best, rooney was the weakest for united in 2010/11. berbatov destroyed rooney's shooting accuracy in his last 2 seasons

RVP chance conversion is the weakest.

RVP was in arsenal then. rooney's chance conversion is the weakest at man utd. berbatov doubled rooney's chance conversion in those 2 seasons at united. chicharito murdered rooney in 2010/11.

RVP loss of possession is the highest.

welbeck, chicharito and berbatov destroyed rooney in this category. rooney is the weakest in man utd.

Rooney touched the ball 2217 times and only lost it 54 times.
RVP touched the ball in 1761 times and lost it 61 times.

touching the ball more is cluelessness - RVP receives the ball and releases it almost immediately to a threatening effect. he makes a through-ball pass every 61 minutes, rooney does so every 84 mins. RVP is quicker with his decision whilst rooney takes forever to know what to do with the ball. those fatty cells have blocked the motor neurones in his central nervous system.

Open play pass accuracy. RVP 79% Rooney 81%
Shooting accuracy, Rooney defeated RVP.

welbeck 86%, berbatov/chicharito 83%. once more, rooney was the weakest at man utd. in 2010/11, berbatov had 80%, chicharito 82% and rooney could only manage 77%. once again, dimitar sodomised rooney.

Minute/open play pass, only Rooney makes a pass in the open play every one minute. The other players every 3 minutes confirming they are truly hyenas- box sitting strikers. Only Welbeck tries a little again.

the others are more purposeful with the ball - unlike rooney he takes the ball to blind alleys and does nothing with the move.

RVP missed 25 clear cut chances, Rooney only 15. When taken to per minutes, Rooney did better.

aided by the 6 penalties he scored out of 7.

On the per minute, Rooney also did better on clear cut chances scored. Meaning if he leads attack, he is more likely to convert chances.

stop lying - the chance conversion stats are there. berbatov had 46% to rooney's 22%. berbatov's shooting accuracy is 60% to rooney's 58%. chicharito even had a better conversion rate to fat rooney. in front of goal so far, berbatov/chicharito are better at striking than rooney.

Accurate Flicks on- Rooney did better on per minute.
Accurate Lay off- Rooney by the miles

rooney was the weakest in this category in man utd. flick-ons berbatov had 36%, rooney 33%, chicharito 47%, welbeck 35%.

in the lay-off accuracy, welbeck 87%, berbatov 92%, 92%, rooney 90%.

So who is the better player and striker?
Bookmakers are so right. Rooney is very strong on the ball.

rooney is the worst striker @ man utd. berbatov and chicharito destroyed him before RVP came on board for 2 consecutive seasons. when RVP arrived, he destroyed rooney as well.

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Overall, RVP and Chicharito including Berbatov are truly opportunists hyenas. Confirmed!!! No hustle/hunting. Kill make I chop.

overall, RVP, chicharito and berbatov showed they have what it takes to be a striker whilst rooney showed he's more of a midfielder than a striker. rooney had the worst shooting accuracy and the worst chance conversion under ferguson. it's a disgrace that a striker prides himself in the qualities a midfielder should have.

rooney is the worst striker @ man utd - QED

afrodoc: rooney for BOTH torres and mikel obi? the same rooney u said is an overpaid fat b.a.s.t.a.r.d who is overhyped and not that good in exchange for torres who u said is one of the best strikers in the world? PLUS one of the best DMs (in ur opinion) mikel?

rooney is a british player - they get overrated & overhyped above what they are capable of. ordinary gareth bale is being priced at £85m. if ronaldo is a brit, he would be priced at £500m.

dayokanu: And whats the point of the two unreplied goals when they still got bundled out like waste. Bayern already won the key tie 3-1 in London scoring 3 unreplied goals. All the players knew this was just a workout for them

only a kraut like yourself would describe 3-1 as 3 unreplied goals. you are a tool!

Only one team could qualify and why wasnt that team Arsenal? Did they not know the rule of knockout games before the game? If it was a league format? What a stupidd statement. Was it a league format?

you must be very silly....
that's another way of looking at it. in the group stage(league format) in the champions league, arsenal/bayern would have walked away with 3 points each.

Its like Tyson Gay saying if the 100m dash ended at 30m He would have won. or A team saying if only they allow 3hrs for a football match.

stüpid analogy - the tie ended 3-3.

Neuer holding onto the ball. So what? Was neuer holding the ball the reason Arsenal failed to qualify again? We have heard all sort of insane excuses maybe we should hear yours too

it's called gamesmanship - he was deliberating wasting minutes to reduce arsenal's chances of getting the 3rd goal.

We did not damage Arsenal yet we qualified and won a treble while Arsenals last hope of a trophy last season ended on the field on Munich

you are a tool.....arsënal damaged bayern - bayern damaged arsenal!

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look at neuer diving like he got hit by boko haram's IED.

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger has claimed that Bayern Munich "are not ready" to win the Champions League after his side claimed a 2-0 victory at the Allianz Arena.

what has this gotta do with what your manager said about his team taking a beat down from arsenal!

dayokanu: The lineup is not an indication of anything. Its the players psyche before coming on the field that counts. The same players knew fully well they are already in the next round and are just on the field to warm up . Barca down 4-0 can spring a surprise. Arsenal that already conceded 3 away goals was dead and buried

you need to reason like a man that has been to school. we know how managers treat matches that are inconsequential in europe. you started all your big guns against arsenal and lost woefully. 2 unreplied goals at the allianz arena - what a disgrace!!'

If Arsenal did as much damage why did they not qualify? Or whats the purpose of doing damage when you still end up going home and your opponent proceeds to win the treble.

because only one team can qualify! if that was a league fixture, arsenal and bayern would walk away with 3 points each. yes or no? so how can you say bayern damaged arsenal?

Someone has to qualify and Why cant it be them? Bayern did enough to qualify or Was Arsenals objective was just to mark attendance and escort their opponents to progression?

escort their opponents to progression and it was neuer holding on to the ball after arsenal's 2nd goal. that to me showed the bïtch in bayern. that's the first time i would see a goalie refusing to let go of the ball after he's been beaten to a goal.

Arsenal pissed on whatever and still ended up knocked out of the tournament. The person that got knocked out would tell you the truth whether it was equal damage as the person that progressed

you did not damage arsenal, you damaged barcelona - go to their thread and dickwave. your lads did not damage arsenal. it was even steven!

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“Arsenal scored two goals, but they didn’t have more clear chances than that. Arsenal were better and dominated. We couldn’t manage to dominate like we are used to doing,” the Bayern coach said at the press conference.

“We will learn from this match. This may stop the euphoria from the people outside the club. They thought that Bayern were unbeatable.”.......Heyckenes

dayokanu: The second leg becomes inconsequential when you win the first leg in such a commanding fashion and score 3 away goals in the process. Whats the result of the undressing now? Arsenal still crashed out and Bayern went on to win the treble.

you are a lunatic....
even when barca lost 4-0, there was still a glimmer of hope they could win the 2nd leg. there's no inconsequential game in europe. if it was so, why did all your big guns play in the 2nd leg? the team-line up is the truest indicator of how important a game is.....

Huge difference. The motive of the tie was for someone to qualify and progress. Bayern did just that Arsenal crashed out and ended up trophyless.

scoreline is 3-3. bayern qualified but it wasn't a beat-down! arsenal did as much damage as bayern did.

Its only a liar who would claim the person who was eliminated did equal damage on the person that progressed. One damage ensured you went home, One damage didnt stop the other from progressing

well - someone has to qualify!
a game that ended 0-0 with one side beating the other in a shoot-out is not damaging - it's what it is. quit the stüpid hyperbole. arsenal pissed on the memory of adolf hitler in munich.

dayokanu: Only that you werent paying enough attention and see that the game was inconsequential and Arsenals display didnt stop Bayern from qualifying.

when has the 2nd leg of a champions league tie become inconsequential? arsenal undressed you lots on your home soil. your obdurate manager even admitted his lads weren't up for the fight and he had to resort to some gamesmanship to cross the finish line.

While Bayerns battery of Arsenals midfield ensured they ended another season trophyless

final score was 3-3!
how can that be battery? arsenal decimated bayern as much as bayern decimated arsenal.

dayokanu: Its an evidence of Bayern midfield quality that made Gustavo excess to requirement.

All Arsenals midfielders would be passengers in Bayern

None of Areteta, Cazorla nor Wilshere would even play a single game not even as a sub for Pep

except that the arsenal stalwarts spilled the blood of germans @ allianz arena some few months ago. they tactically destroyed the german machine in a way no team managed last season.

youngalex: i just don't know why a mother will mount an undue pressure on her daughter to get married... Dis is becoming unbeareable as she is insisting she comes back with a man dis xmas for introduction....what can she do? Presently she is not in any relationship as the b/f travelled overseas an ended their 3 years r/ship...and she is 34

why didn't she follow her boyfriend abroad? at 34, her options are extremely limited. she should rent a man for her christmas trip......

dayokanu: We are not hateful like Arsenal fans. We wish all our ex players well wherever they go.

Gustavo couldnt make the cut at bayern thats why we might be selling him

While he was here he did his job well, though he was limited but he still did well the few times he was called

I see him being Arsenals best player within a short time given how extremely poor other Arsenal players are

gustavo ke?
the same clueless gustavo? in that midfield, arteta, cazorla, wilshere are all better than gustavo. he's a passenger in bayern. he was carried along throughout and this is why guardiola is keen to get rid of him.

dademola: With all these rejections here n der, i'm starting to think selling rooney now, might not be d best of ideas...

united should do a swap - rooney to chelsea for torres and mikel obi.

crystalballs: We are all humans and fallible to errors, some avoidable while others are not.
As the husband how do you correct your wife's mistakes like burnt or salty food,leaving the house untidy, going out without permission or coming in late.
Wives, how do you correct your husband when over speeding, keeping late nights, scolding the kids to the extreme and likes.

Do you rebuke eachother publicly or escalate issues that can be sorted amicably withing just the two of you?

this!!!

a bottle-breaking session followed by object throwing then we go into fisticuffs like amateur boxers. why settle things amicably when we can draw pints of blood from each other and turn the living room into a blood bath scene in a vampire movie...

you were "fortunate" to marry an inconsiderate & self-centred woman. however, there's good news for you - she can be tamed. divorce is not going to make anything right and you run thr risk of doing the menfolk a lot of damage if you send her packing - another "fortunate" man would likely pick her up again and it completes a vicious cycle.

sit her down and talk to her.....

my fees are quite steep but who needs the help?

BinghiNya: a rooney on crutches was trusted than a fully fit berbatov, united's two legged encounter with the bavarians said it all. How many finals did berbaslow start for united.

that's the manager's choice - and it backfired wholesomely. fergie later revealed we lost because rooney did not play to instruction.

who the manager decides to play is immaterial - the fans know the value of the player on the bench. welbeck got a start ahead of madrid in the biggest game @ old trafford last season. is welbeck better than rooney?

BinghiNya: how much did berbatov cost when he was 18

who cares about that? fact remains berbatov till date remains united's most expensive striker since 2009. rooney didn't cost up to berbatov even at 18. transfer fees aside, rooney is a hot pile of shyte.

elampiro: Okay.
But I don't understand why mod should ban me severally in the heat of argument saying ''post after few hours''. It is confusing, you see Coogar repeating same charts over and over, insulting, no action or even verbal warning.

look at this coyote....
why would the mods ban you for having an argument? if you cannot tell the difference between being banned by spambot and getting banned by the mods then you shouldn't even be on this forum. there is no bias here - people rarely get banned on the sports section - worst case scenario would be your posts get hidden!

everytime you are told to post after one hour, it's the spambot. when you stop using gay fonts and coloured prints, spambot would leave you alone. why do you think i take your colours off when quoting you? why must you even use colours to post? does that add more substance to your point?

brosun: BY CHINENYEH OZOR
NSUKKA — The university town of Nsukka in Enugu State has witnessed yet another brutal death as a tipper driver who allegedly impregnated a widow and her daughter has reportedly been burnt to death by son of the widow, Sunday Ugwoke.
Vanguard gathered that the tipper driver, Sylvester Ezema, attached to  Ferguson Nig. Limited hailed from Akpa Edem, Nsukka Local Government  Area, Enugu State and shared a common fence boundary with his widowed lover, Mrs. Ugwoke.
Report said he had been having amorous dealings with the woman’s daughter too unknown to the widow before he died  a few days ago.
According to report, Sylvester was allegedly burnt to death by Sunday, who had warned him to leave his mother alone and stop making love with her in his late father’s bedroom, which is adjacent to his room, a warning the  deceased allegedly turned down and continue with his amorous act.
Vanguard gathered that Sylvester defied all the warnings by Sunday, saying the widow was a family friend and as such nobody would  suspect them.
Having defied his warning, Sunday, armed with grinded pepper and petrol ambushed the lover boy. As Sylvester stepped out of the house, Sunday poured the  powder pepper and petrol on Sylvester and  set him ablaze. http://www.vanguardngr.com/2013/08/man-burnt-to-death-for-impregnating-mother-daughter/

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elampiro: 1. How many times will you bring up this chart which I had earlier punctured?

how do you puncture facts? berbatov destroyed rooney's mythical power in his last 2 seasons. he's more productive and very reliable.

2. If Berbatov was so good in his last two seasons, why did he worth only £4m pounds and why was he sold? United won't even sell Rooney for £40m today.

how old was berbatov when he's sold? how old was rooney? berbatov is still united's most expensive player in their history. rooney isn't. how much a player gets sold depends on various factors. if rooney runs down his contract with united, he would leave for free!

king9952: How dare you charge him with fraud. How is it legally possible, the man drafted his own agreement, he disagreed with terms from bank, and fowarded his own term, whose fault, he only looking out for himself just like the so called banks and credit card companies who have been defrauding people for years with those tiny letter so little only microscopic device can read them with hidden ourageous interest rate, what do yall call that huh,which law prohibits anyone from drafting his or her own terms or negotiating either in words or written, just more like applying a loan and add terms that favours the applicants rather that loan provider, if they sign it, they have agreed with whatever terms he drafted, he did not poit gun at their head to force their signature, i rest my case.

he altered the document - he used the bank's letter-headed document and amended the clauses to suit his own selfish needs. in which world would any credit card gives you a no-limit with 0% interest rate? he can only try that in russia.....in the west, FBI would have taken him directly to a cold prison cell.

kulyie: your case isa ireedemable.you can never know anything again.......next please

you need blood tonic - your blood sugar must be very low.

BoboYekini: Dis kulyie wey dey blow hot air since, I'm pretty sure she no get job o.

kulyie is an aspiring nollywood actress - she's not been called for any auditioning in 3 years. all she does is eat yam and watch daytime TV all day.

biolabee: All the while he had lived as a british and had a brit passport
Immediately the gbege burst, he became a ghanaian-born brit

No be so?

british by rights is different from british by birth. british by birth is even different from british ancestry. levels dey!!!

kulyie: its a lie joor.dont give me cok and bull story,ok,if the man allowed him into the bedroom to sleep (which i dont believe) wouldnt he have told the wife that my bro is sleeping in the room o,so she wouldnt be given a rude shock.e.g entering the room without noticing the bed,taking off your clothes and decide to turn around,lo and behold you see your inlaw fast asleep while you are naked,wont you cover yourself and scream.anyway i dont believe that.

you don't believe it? in a one bedroom apartment, where else can the brother be if he's not in the living room with the husband? are you saying the husband wasn't aware the brother was in the bedroom before the wife came in? sometimes, you argue just for the sake of it....

Secondly a fresh draduate may not have been given his certificate but the school will have given him a formal official document (to whom it may concern) pending the time he gets his certificate,therefore a man that is not a lazy bone that yoruba call indomie hands,should hit the street and look for job instead of sleeping like a pregnant woman in the afternoon for that matter,not night o

how do you know he's not done all that before noon? you sit on a plastic armchair to cast aspersions at someone you don't even know. if we do a thorough investigation, you spent 4 years at home as a graduate before getting your job. were you a pregnant cow then?

elampiro: I am thru with this argument. I can never remove penalties won by someone and also scored by him. NEVER was it heard.

whether you remove it or not, berbatov had a better output in 2010/11 than rooney did in 2011/12. matter of fact, berbatov outperformed rooney in his last 2 seasons before he left for fulham....

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kulyie: honestly i loathe the way you reason at times.cant he sleep on the chair in the sitting room.why must he sleep in a couples matrimonial bed.what kind of nonsense is that.so because the couple allowed him in,he should now behave anyhow,no sense of self respect and decorum.

who sleeps on the couch in the afternoon? the husband was at home when his brother was sleeping in the bedroom. can you not see he must have taken permission from the husband before going to the bedroom? it's even possible he was sleeping in the living before the OP's hubby asked him to go to the bedroom and sleep.

By the way he appears to be a lazy man.how can a graduate be sleeping,when he is supposed to have hit the street,going to companies and checking vacancies.i suppose chevron employer will wake him up from his sleep amd give him a job and you are there preaching tolerance when you are housing a lazy bone

he's a fresh graduate - he doesn't even have a certificate yet to pursue any employment. the OP should calm down
and learn to be tolerant....

elampiro: I am not talking about Young. I mean penalty won by Rooney and scored by him. Rooney's penalty won are usually when he is through on goal. It will be wrong to remove such from his goal. He created a chance and he scored. Gbam!

rooney through on goal? when has that ever happened? he's too overweight to be through on goal. remove his penalties and count how many goals he scored from open play.....

kulyie: a couples house is not the same as a hotel or a hostel where any body can jusy do as he likes.its a couples house for goodness sakes so if he has sense,he should be sensitive.on a serious note,if i were in the shoes of the op,i wouldnt do any talking.my eyes and unfriendly body gestures will do the talking,he will start feeling uncomfortable that he himself will leave the house.

this is just hot air from 2 wide nostrils.
when you accepted to house this fresh graduate, where exactly were you expecting him to catch a nap? on the couch? women who don't think things through and then scream for help are the worst type of humans ever.....in my opinion, it's the genesis of irresponsibility!

what useless tolerance is that.does he not have bachelors like himself he can go and squat with.why must he be a liability in another persons home.God help him if i had a bad day at work and i am just coming out of the sun and i catch him.i will first wake him up with a resounding abara and tongue lashing.when i make the whole at,osphere unlivable for him,his elder bro will be begging him to stay and he will say he cant,he has another alternative and i will be eyeing him from behind.

i doubt this OP would complain if it was her own sibling she caught lying in her bed. you would hit a man in his sleep? lololol - you would get beaten up under your own roof with the blessing of your husband!

Tolerance ko,tolulope ni.mshewwww

you have issues you need to sort out....