₦airaland Forum

99cent: there is no argument here. It's either you support underage marriage or not.
if you are indifferent, you shouldn't be here arguing in the first place!

you are at sea about what actually transpired in the senate. see how easy it is to find you out that you wallow in herd mentality!

29. (1) Any citizen of Nigeria of full age who wishes to renounce his Nigerian citizenship shall make a declaration in the prescribed manner for the renunciation.

(2) The President shall cause the declaration made under subsection (1) of this section to be registered and upon such registration, the person who made the declaration shall cease to be a citizen of Nigeria.

(3) The President may withhold the registration of any declaration made under subsection (1) of this section if-
(a) the declaration is made during any war in which Nigeria is physically involved; or
(b) in his opinion, it is otherwise contrary to public policy.

(4) For the purposes of subsection (1) of this section.

(a) "full age" means the age of eighteen years and above;

(b) any woman who is married shall be deemed to be of full age.

the above excerpt in the constitution was what they were trying to amend. some of the senators wanted to know if a married woman is deemed of full age with acquiring citizenship or renouncing citizenship....

yerima and 34 others wanted it to remain, the others wanted it removed. this constitution had been drafted since sometime 1999 by some other lawmakers and yet nigerians with their herd mentality and semi-illiteracy are fighting against a clause that has been in place since 1999.

seriously, you need to be re-educated!!!!

99cent: it's one thing to sympathize with those who torture children (child witchcraft) and marry off little girls.
It's another thing to attack those who speak out against it. It means that you so much empathize and sympathize with those who practice such acts that you somehow identify with them.

argue objectively, please....
there's a divide on the planet - the west and islam. we all received western education and this is why we are inclined the way we are. what about the islamic countries who don't know better? what about these hundreds of millions of people who have known only this practice all their lives? we should just discard their views and force yours on them overnight?

Do you agree or not agree that underage marriage be sanctioned into Nigerian constitution? the question is not if you understand why they do it. but whether or not to allow them to make it a nigerian law to allow underage marriage. WHERE DO YOU STAND?

where did you hear that underage marriage is about to be sanctioned in our constitution? are you even conversant with this issue or you are just doing the usual herd mentality?

99cent: if it's not your damn business then why are you on this thread? you claim "it's not your business" when in fact, you have made it your business to support and promote child marriage as an "african culture"

i am not supporting child marriage neither am i condemning it, i am only asking hypocrites like yourself to shut up and face more important issues crippling your country of birth....

let me guess, you also support the persecution of "child witches"? Nigerian government, after pressure from children's right activists, introduced a law to protect the torture of children accused of witchcraft. This was only last year!!
http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/news/regions/africa/nigeria/121101/nigeria-introduces-law-protect-witch-children

what's my business with witches? who is a witch? how do you determine who a witch is? your favourite hobby must be watching nollywood movies.....

how is this any different? children should not be forced into marriage by adults. such adults should face punishment. I hope a law in introduced soon to BAN underage marriage.

the marriage is with the blessing of their parents. were you consulted before you were circumcised as a child? is it something you would have allowed if you were old enough to understand? parents would always make decisions for their children - that is inevitable!

what baffles me is why would anyone go on a thread to defend such an inhumane practice.

defend what? i am not defending the practice but i can understand why they do and you have no right to criticise the religion of millions of people just because you are on the other side of their idealism - that's malicious, uncouth and the biggest act of cowardice.....

bgirl: Stop fabricating statistics. Is there a study that supports these your claims? If so, kindly refer me to it. See below a study from the international center for research on women. According to their study, children under 15 are FIVE times more likely to die in childbirth than women in their 20's. Their research also shows that Pregnancy is the leading cause of death worldwide for women ages 15 to 19. These are FACTS.
http://www.icrw.org/child-marriage-facts-and-figures

you are still pissing in the wind....pregnancy is the leading cause of death worldwide for women ages 15-19 in impoverished countries. it is only when there are no adequate medical facilities you would have teenagers dying from giving births. you need to be at your sharpest when debating with me...

https://www.thenation.com/sites/default/files/user/198153/Screen%20shot%202011-11-18%20at%201_53_49%20PM.png

as you can see for yourself, USA/UK have the highest rate of teenage pregnancy in the developed nations. how come we don't get to hear about the dangers posed by underdeveloped reproductive organs of their female kids that are having babies? why isn't there a scourge of VVF in the USA with the obscene amount of their under-aged
girls having babies?

[img]http://2.bp..com/_HOzbZaV8lEI/TRI_3CBgjsI/AAAAAAAAARo/hEqa8eMn9OI/s400/ch_teen_pregnancy.png[/img]

Oh Lord. Listen carefully, let me explain the difference. When 2 gay people get married, whose rights are trampled upon? No one! (the fact that it repulses you is irrelevant, that is not an invasion of your rights, all you need to do is walk away)

then you are an illiterate if you think my repulsiveness is irrelevant. why then do nüdists get arrested for indecent exposure when they bare it all in public? shouldn't members of the public just walk away like you claimed since the nüdist is just doing his own thing? some of you people need to get out of your cocoon and learn the ropes!

When a child is sold off into marriage, does it trample on anyone's rights? Yes, the child's! The point is that everyone has a right to exercise their rights as far as it doesn't trample on the rights of others.

i hope you are aware these children were married off with the blessings of their parents. just like your parents chose your name, drew tribal marks on your face, chose the school you went to, told you the religion to practise and blah blah blah. were your rights not trampled upon or which of these decisions did you make for yourself as a child?

If a muslim said that their religion preaches the killing of infidels, will you say that they should not be prevented from exercising their rights? Despite the fact that it tramples on the rights of the 'infidels'? Again, your argument holds no water.

every religion abhors the killing of another human being. child marriage is not murder. you are really grasping at straws drawing a parallel between the two. this is a practise that has been going on for aeons - you just don't change it overnight for the people who don't know better.

dayokanu: Gustavo currently is still better than every Man Utd midfielder

carrick, anderson, cleverley are all better than gustavo. i fail to see who gustavo can best in man utd....apart from giggs/scholes.

ileobatojo: The fact that you pick and choose what you believe shows you are not credible. The only thing that came out of her mouth that you believe is the thing that suits your purpose. Never mind that you have an unbiased outsider substantiating one of her claims. Yet you still choose to discount it because it doesn't fit into your biased agenda. But hey, there are multiple nitwits who are willing to lap up every crumb that falls from your table, so please carry on. Your loyal lap dogs will soon be back to hit the like button.

the facts of the case

she got drunk
she had sëx with a man she's not married to
she claimed she was räped
she claimed she wasn't räped
then she claimed she was räped again.

I'm done successfully exposing you to all those that are in possession of some sense. Goodbye.

stop foaming in the mouth and let me wallow in my moment of schadenfreude. admit it, your norwegian friend was caught pants down - she deserves everything she suffered in the hands of dubai police....

ileobatojo: By the way, this is a bold faced lie! Even before you found out today that she changed her story you had already judged that the sex was consensual. And please don't bother giving me that line about the perjury conviction. There are a million and one things she could have lied about. Your bias is evident! And appalling!

i knew there were inconsistencies in her story from the outset. she was found guilty of perjury! i know what that means, my dear witchdoctor. at least one of plaintiff/accused always lies in court but since they always stick to their statements, they only get charged for what they have been accused of. this woman got perjury charge slapped on her because she produced 2 opposite statements in court under the oath

Probably the same one that ran off to tattle to the court about perjury!! It's his word against her's! Who do you think will win in an already biased court system?

are you assuming this woman had no lawyer to fight her corner? where was the lawyer when she was being coaxed to change her statement? why wasn't the issue about the dodgy policeman raised in court? you want me to believe the statement of her manager(an associate of a compulsive liar)??

At least you've admitted you would be scared, stressed out and desperate. Now the world is not made of robots. How you would handle these is not the same way you would expect everyone to.

everyone in the world would speak the truth! if she was really räped, nothing should have changed her mind to withdraw her claim otherwise her action is a mockery to the genuine räpe victims all over the world!

this liar just needed some money after finding out her drunkeness had pushed her to sleep with a married man of 3 children. the shame triggered the impulse to run downstairs and contact the hotel staff that she had been räped!

if only anderson and cleverley can give us 34 league games, i wouldn't worry about the midfield. their lack of fitness is my biggest issue with these lads.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ai-nVTfnSeo

in the history of the premier league, i don't think a single individual has destroyed chelsea like anderson did in the clip above. mata, ramirez, mikel, romeu, luiz, etc were eternally annihilated.....

ileobatojo: She explained why she changed her statement and her manager confirmed that he was the ones who translated that the police officer told her to do so to make the case go away. She was set up by the policeman. And if you are saying you don't believe policemen do that, then I have a bridge to Alaska to sell to you.

which policeman said that? what's his name? why wasn't this mentioned in court before she was slapped with the charge of perjury? ileoba, think........

If you go to Dubai on vacation and a hefty man nabs you in the corner and rapes you, you immediately go to the police and the next thing you know, you have been thrown in jail for days without any explanation and all your documents have been confiscated, you're trying to tell me you will be calm, all smiles, just dandy, having a regular ol' day right? No fear? No stress? No desperation? Well, that would be a big lie from the pit of hell!

fear, stress, despair or desperation, i would still stick to the truth. remember, the accused is a foreigner from sudan. there's no reason the police would be on his side. this woman was tried and was found guilty after examining her statement and the discrepancy in her 2 statements. how can someone be räped and not räped at the same time?

My objectivity is second to none around these parts!

..........and kim kardashian is a virgin!

chrisley024: Think I'll manage Gustavo.

gustavo is a substandard player abeg, the team carries him and not the other way. mikel obi is better than gustavo

ileobatojo: She was an employee in Qatar, not Dubai.

same laws apply - Zina in qatar is the same as in dubai. you cannot be in a room with the opposite sex in those 2 countries!

I never said she was not irresponsible. However, that is no excuse for her to be raped.

she wasn't räped - sex was consensual! the excuse that she passed out while taking water in the hotelroom indicates she's lying. it's always the same script with these libidinous western women.

You are basing your assumption that she had consensual sex on the fact that she was drink and asked to be escorted to her room. Therefore anything that happens after that is fair game.

how can i base my assumption on that? i said the smoking gun was the fact that she changed her statement. any woman seeking justice would stick to the truth. only the truth set people free. if she was speaking the truth, every dot would connect.

She changed her story because her fears and desperation led her to take the advice to change it.

fear of what? is she not the victim? in which courts can a real räpe victim change her story because of fear and desperation? what else has she lied about because of fear and desperation? how are you sure she's not lying about the entire case if she could lie under the oath out of fear & desperation?

I have always been objective. The fact that you're pained when I call out idiocy doesn't change my objectivity.

you can never be objective to save a life - what you did up there was a kodak moment. a day to be cherished like the haley's comet. days like that happen once every 75 years.

dembele can't cost more than how much he's bought - spurs are overloaded in that midfield anyways. this moyes is too slow for my liking. of all the new managers in the top 4, he's the only one yet to know his bearing. dear lord, where did we find this tactically-challenged scotsman?

mourinho is ready, pellegrini is ready, wenger is even ready and gollum is still begging for time when the season kicks off in about 4 weeks. gollum sacked the backroom staff that would have brought the players back to speed and brought in his own failure-ridden coaching crew.

moyes should get dembele and fellaini - both players cannot be more than £35m.

cesc fabregas is a waste of time - he's rarely fit to even fit into what we need him for.

ileobatojo: The hotel staff knew the bogus laws and that women who are raped get no justice; she did not know, which is why she went ahead and asked for the police.

she knew what the laws are - she's an employee in dubai. she drank to the point of not being sure she could find her way back to her room - the beginning of her irresponsibility. she then asked a sudanese man to escort her back to her room(another crime). she then had consensual sex, woke up and she was ashamed of what she had done and then screamed foul play!


in her statement, she said she went into the room with the man with the hope of drinking water before she would take her leave. she then claimed that was the last thing she remembered. how can any responsible woman drink that much and forget what transpired? then the real smoking gun was the fact that she changed statements....

"i was rapëd" became "i wasn't raped" and changed back to "i was rapëd" and you can stand there and hold the brief for this promiscuous lethargic devil of a woman? seriously, there has to be a point where arguing for the sake of it becomes irritating. ileoba, this woman lied she was räped....you cannot convince me otherwise!

What the heck are you talking about? Unlike you, I'm a rational human being. Her company did not fire her for getting raped did they, unlike the police that jailed her for getting raped.

because she had committed a crime for putting herself in that situation in the first place. i remember a british dude that got jailed too. he had picked up a call-girl and she cleaned him out of his money. the stüpid man called the cops to report the theft but she got jailed for having sëx outside marriage.

that's their law, visitors should respect it!

They fired both of them for drinking alcohol at a staff conference resulting in trouble with the police and for not communicating with them while the case was going on. They are under no obligation to keep her job waiting for her if she was to remain in jail for 16 months. It is not their own job to investigate the case, all they know is that she was drinking on company time and ended up in jail. It is the jobs of the re*tarded justice system in Dubai to prosecute appropriately. If she wants to go enter into a legal battle with her company based on her innocence in the police matter, she should take her evidence and go and fight it. Until then, I have no problem with her being fired.

buhahahaha - who would have thought ileoba can be turned to argue objectively like this? i feel like a proud father watching her daughter getting admitted into havard. keep it up, witchdoctor!!!

armyofone: sighs smh, I can't believe cougar is here, smh again.

*no more news channel for me. CNN is giving me migraine with their Will and Kate + One. Thank goodness they showed something different (Andrea Yates).

Back to LMN.

you better hop on delta air and make the 8 hour trip to heathrow. you might be lucky to catch your fellow americans at the gate of the palace taking pictures of the palace guards.

[quote author=mama-gee][color=deeppink]Hope she gives birth safely[/color][/quote]she's already given birth, mamagee....

collynzo2: What's the guarantee that the price will remain so and there will always be people willing to pay?

the demand will always outweigh the supply....till thy kingdom come!

ileobatojo: How do you expect her to know that? So anytime you visit a tourist country, you study all their laws? I have been to Dubai and I did not know all these laws. So yes, it's definitely plausible that she did not know these laws. Also, often times, most of their laws are waived for foreign visitors so why should she have been bothering her head about them? If she had not gotten raped, she would never have had any dealings with the police.

how won't she know? she's not a newbie in dubai. she's just playing possum after being caught! she did not get räped. the sex was consensual....she's one of those female criminals who get the kicks from putting their bed partners in trouble after the alcohol in their system subsides.

Anybody could have helped her to her room, she chose one, who happened to be someone she knew and trusted.

she chose the opposite sex in an islamic country where drinking alcohol without a license is a crime and being holed in the same room with an opposite sex is a crime.

yeah right!!!

Of course she said yes, she had a rape to report. Or are you saying she knew she had 'broken their laws' and she was going to get imprisoned and she still went ahead and called the police? How does that mean she was not under duress when she got arrested for no credible reason after reporting she was raped?

before the police arrival, she was asked by the hotel staff if calling the cops was the right decision. she said yes!!! hotel staff wasn't stupid, the staff knew she would be processed for alcohol & sëx outside marriage.......

when the test results came out, there was alcohol in her system and she was arrested again. then she claimed she was told to change her statement by an official...why would anyone seeking justice back down after taking the oath to speak the truth?

What rape case? There was never a rape case taken up by the authorities. She was the accused here because she had been arrested and jailed! If she had not become the accused, what was she doing in jail?

they were both guilty of sëx outside marriage - she was guilty of perjury and drinking alcohol without a license. those are serious charges in dubai!

I have no problem with her getting sacked for going against their company policy.

are you sure? think about it before you making this decision. are you sure this isn't another ploy to oppress women? ileoba, are you getting soft all of a sudden? this is a sizeable chunk of beef to bite.......

collynzo2: That's why I gave the example of Bill Gate's empire. Real estate business is a very volatile one. Anything can happen especially if they relax 'without lifting a finger' as you said.

real estate is not volatile near green park where the price of a single room would buy a 15-bedroom mansion in texas!

collynzo2: You don't just make blanket statements like that. If you take away their privileges as monarchs from them, what are they left with? Even Bill Gate's empire can go bankrupt within a twinke of an eye if his children don't manage it properly.

the queen's estates nko? do you know the cost of rent in that part of the country? abeg, stop viewing the world with a nigerian lens.

adaobi123: Yaaaaaay Baby boy !!!

yayyyyyyyyy!!!
i placed £10 on this.....

ileobatojo: The fact that you have claim not to believe it doesn't automatically make it untrue. I'm not sure what's so unbelievable about asking a 'friend' to escort you to your room for your safety. Unless you have specific facts disproving it, I'm not interested in your senseless speculation.

it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see the loopholes in her story. she's in a hotel - there are staff that could have helped her at the reception. did she not know she wasn't supposed to lead a man into a room? why did she not ask this help from a fellow woman?

get out of here with your tunnelvision...

Oh, only a hundred million reasons... Like being under duress as a result of being arrested for no credible reason in a foreign country with no knowledge of their laws, wanting to make it all go away so she can return safely back to her home?

under duress? the same woman that was asked if calling the police was the right thing and she answered yes? i am not too sure your attention span is coping with her tale of lies....

The knowledge that everything she understands about the police and the law do not work the same way she knows in this country leading her to believe the advice by people supposedly knowledgeable about how things work?

then she must have been born foolish - every man and his dog know the laws in dubai. no association with the opposite sex is allowed in a hotelroom. she's not new in the country so all those pathetic excuses can only wash with you....

Of course you've never heard of plea deals, settling out of court or even cases of coerced confessions. And if you have, your brain apparently cannot process the similarities between them and what happened here.

plea deals in a räpe case? she was the case! what's she dealing with? it's a simple yes or no matter, not a complex case. was she rapëd or not? why would she agree to change her statement. only the accused is actually open to any plea deals - he's the one that can actually change pleas guilty/not guilty and not the plaintiff.

Guess what else is also a very emotionally damaging issue, being stuck in a biased, ridiculous justice system in a country far away from home with no clear idea of how it's all going to end.... Being arrested for days without charges, with all your documents confiscated, no one believing your traumatic story of molestation...

she should get out of their country - they did not want women of her calibre there. western women go everywhere and use ignorance as an excuse to desecrate the place. i am happy she was sacked - there are thousands of jobs in oslo waiting for her where she can ask her director to escort her home after a night of binge-drinking!!!

Arosa: How could anyone in their right mind make such a terrible argument? What you have written does not make any sense whatsoever.

how does it not make sense?

Child marriage can lead to medical problems in females (e.g. incontinence) and even death because young girls are forced to give birth when their bodies aren't ready. Not to mention the psychological consequences.

all these problems also persist in adult marriages....stop clawing myths from the stratosphere. there's no empirical evidence that child marriage can cause incontinence - that's just media propaganda. all the medical issues attached to teen pregnancy are directly/indirectly linked to poverty....

Gay couples, on the other hand, are in a consenting relationship, they are not forced into it and therefore carry responsibility for any consequences of that relationship.

but gay relationships are repulsive - personally, it makes me sick to my stomach and that's discounting the fact that gay people are responsible for 80% of the HIV spread....

Customs such as child marriage are outdated, dangerous practices that have only persisted because those who advocate it are ignorant. What is your excuse??

you can only say this because you have received western education. if iran/iraq had colonised your country, you wouldn't be saying a tradition that predates civilisation is dangerous and outdated. this is religion - it's like telling a jewish man not to circumcise his male son because it's mutilation!!!

Afam4eva: He made that statement based on the way you guyz were worshiping a baby that has not been born. If you don't worship the the newborn, will your salary be taken away from you? I don't just understand you British people. Can't ya'll learn from America?

america learnt from us the hard way.....how can the brits learn from their own child? besides, no one is worshipping an unborn baby. the americans you want the brits to copy make up the largest number of journalists outside st mary's as we speak. some of them have set camps there as far back as 2 weeks ago.

dejinxyz: It wasn't a Child Marriage bill, it was a constitution review. Wonder why people are getting it twisted!

blame the naija gutter media - at the same time, yerima did not cover himself in glory. he had one chance to set the records straight once and for all and he blew it. his reply was a disgrace and this paved way for more confusion!

osaass: I heard she is giving birth to the messiah

stop blaspheming!!!!

dayokanu: Evidence for the bold?

speak to a catholic priest or go on the internet.....

ileobatojo: *Ahem*
But what are facts to a bunch of half wits, nincompoops and bible toting supporters of ra*pe?

she got so drunk not to know the way to her room in a hotel and asked a colleague to escort her? you must be super-thick to believe these jargons. at least, every hotel in that country has about 20 security staff @ the lobby providing any sort of help for the guests - even if you want your handbag carried for you.....she ignored those and asked a male to take her into a room?

Oh, and by the way, her story about being told to say it was consensual was corroborated.
*From the same article.*

another hogwash - why would a woman so sure she was räped suddenly decide to lie the sex was consensual? if you get räped, under what circumstance would you ever agree to change your statement "just to make the case go away"?? rapë is a very emotionally damaging issue so i doubt any woman would take such advice from a police officer.....

it's funny, the western media as usual did not even quote the alleged attacker to hear his own side of the story. all the quotes we keep seeing are from the same faction of the pathological liar.

ogugua88: Some people want to compare homosexuality and child marriage? Like really? Two consenting adults versus a pedophile and a child with no choice. There's your comparison.

two consenting adults do not make an action necessarily palatable. a man that leaves his wife to sleep wïth a mistress is an example of 2 consenting adults behaving badly - so in your own world, it makes their infidelity ok?

now to the child....the parents of the child give consent and sanction such marriages just like parents get to choose which school, what clothes, which religion, which food and which course to read in school..... which of these choices do a child get to make? how many of the nigerian women that were circumcised as a child wanted it?

people can't just make simplistic arguments on a very sensitive issue that has been going on for hundreds of decades. this is purely a religious practice that predates civilisation. ask yourself one question - if you were born and raised in yemen to taliban parents, what religion would you be practising today?

[quote author=uj_sizzle]So basically William will have to be childless for Harry to smell the throne. hmmm good thing he's in the military.[/quote]it sucks to be a second son!

Anyway, is this next in line for the throne? Queen Liz needs to die already or just step down before she keels over.

after the queen, prince charles, prince william and then the newborn.....

it's very likely prince charles dies before the queen so william could rule very soon.

Pataki: This guy wan use jaguda sense. Unfortunately, these are Yoruba people who are utterly ashamed of your idiocy and the shame you have brought upon us. Say goodbye to your political relevance in Ondo state.

he was sleeping just before the votes were being casted. the nigga being a veteran in examination malpractice just copied what a fellow senator was doing and voted........

we have some of the most incompetent bastärds in the senate.

[quote author=baby_123]They are just like over hyped masquerades or tourist attraction that you cant touch. yet collectively eat more a large chunk of the country's taxes, in the name of outrageous taxes all over. Lord and lady, baron and baroness. Lazy masquerades. Pfft! As long as you are born into the family, you dont even need your brain to work. Sure banker small change. . It should be your problem, when they get desperate, they will try to con and play with their former colonies. The faster they are disbanded the better for everyone. I pity Canada and Australia, who are still falling for this new masquerade drama.[/quote]wait o - how are they different to all the people that have stayed in the presidential villa in nigeria? i hope you know even if there's no monarchy, these people are rich enough for their 20th generations yet unborn to never lift a finger to work.