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elampiro: Anderson and Cleverly drew West Brom 1-1 until Evans and Jones came again as they did against City. Then they continued the winning streak.

Barca's game was a friendly of inconsequential importance. Stop deceiving yourself about Anderson and Cleverly with a short fluke.

elampiro: 100% in how many games? What about the 5-5 draw against West Bom, don't tell me of nay nonesense discounting of goals due to substitution. History books are not recorded that way. Moreover, they had the help of Smalling, Jones and Evans. To show they were not the real factor, the streak continued when the left.

The real guys of 2011/12 season are:
1. Valencia---- voted by players and fans as best. He won the award.

2. Rooney------ 2nd best. He is always one of the best. That's where he is a unique.

3. Scholes----- He single handedly redefined our midfield. He knew how to give a telling pass to Valencia and with Rooney they created havoc and went on a wonderful streak of 8 matches.

What Anderson and Cleverly were part of is a child's play to what happened later in the season, and what has always happen in United from time to time. We also had a winning streak this last season. so keep the hype.

elampiro: Did they aslo pick injuries in the City match? It was actually Carrick who was struggling with fitness that period.

elampiro: What this is telling you is that 2011 wasn't the first time combination of players went on a streak. It also tells why SAF jettisoned Ando and Cleverly pairing the next season.

elampiro: So Vidic had injury against City and played only 45 minutes? He had injury against West Brom and played till 2nd half? Then Ferdinand had injury against City and played only first half too, then he was also recalled against West Brom and played up to when we needed goals? Then they made magical recovery and went to the bench in some games.

elampiro: How do you mean they had only played 45 minutes before then? The were also involved in preseason, played against City in the Charity Cup.

"Rio has a hamstring injury. He will be out for six weeks,"
"With Nemanja, we hope it is a nerve in his calf.
"He felt it prior to the game but he wanted to play. That maybe a couple of weeks."

elampiro: You are showing us passes made in our 1st 3rd. If they were helping to win the match would SAF have substitute them when we were trailing or needed to win?

Secondly, this is what statistics has done to your match analysis. There is a big difference between statistics and actual live match where you assess players contribution to game and pattern under tension.

elampiro: Jones played for just 15 minutes and most of his passes were done in the middle even some across the centre line into opponent's area, yet they were accurate. He didn't seat back like traditional defenders do. I can guess he drove the ball all the way there. No wonder we got the victory against City and West Brom when they came in, particularly Jones. He truly has both qualities of John Terry and Toure.

Don't you understand what it mean for defence to play high? Playing high supports midfield and attack the more, only agile energetic defenders with ability to chase, recover and tackle do that. Ferdinand and Vidic play deep and wait to stop strikers. They can't chase and tackle from the 2nd part of the field. They wait in their own 1st (area) while hoping midfielders track back to assist them. This pattern is far less risky but less adventurous, it gives the midfielders too mcuh work to do because a big space is left between the back and forward.

elampiro: I don't need to explain further. Your charts have done it all.

Did you see that percentage pass? Did you see where Jones made his passes from? They did not seat with the goalkeeper.

Also your chart doesn't tell how many yards covered before the passes were released. This chart just showed why SAF had the feelings Jones can grow into a Yaya Toure when properly groomed in the midfield. I am not an advocate of that though.

elampiro: What is our argument? You said Anderson and Cleverly pairing was the reason we had a superlative start to 2011/12 season. But I am pointing to you main factor which is the use of young defenders. I also have told you that despite both Evans and Cleverly coming to rescue the situations against City and West Brom, they won the next four matches when the same defence line was used. It was Evans, Jones, Smalling and Evra that played the major role in defence. Outside this substitution, which other role did Berba play in the remaining 4 games other than to seat on the bench and watch.

So it was a combination of young players at the back and in the middle. Then Rooney didn't have to work much by tracking backwards, he was just pumping in goals yanful yanful

elampiro: Coogar, I am thru with you on this. Did I ever say a defender scored? I said Anderson and Cleverly were there and it was 1-1 until SAF brought Jones and Evans in the second half. Pay attention to details.

West Bom 1 Mancheter United 2 /Half time 1-1
Manchester United
01 De Gea
05 Ferdinand (Jones - 75' )
12 Smalling
15 Vidic (Evans - 52' )
20 Fabio Da Silva
08 Anderson Booked
17 Nani
18 Young Booked
23 Cleverley
10 Rooney
19 Welbeck (Berbatov - 65' )
Substitutes
34 Lindegaard
04 Jones
06 Evans
11 Giggs
13 Park Ji-sung
16 Carrick
09 Berbatov
Ref: Jones

Also two Jone, Evans and Cleverly in the shield Manchester United

Manchester United 3 vs Manchester City 2/ Half time 0-2
01 De Gea
03 Evra Booked (Rafael - 71' )
05 Ferdinand (Jones - 46' )
12 Smalling
15 Vidic (Evans - 46' )
08 Anderson Booked
16 Carrick (Cleverley - 46' )
17 Nani
18 Young
10 Rooney
19 Welbeck (Berbatov - 89' )
Substitutes
34 Lindegaard
04 Jones
21 Rafael
23 Evans
13 Park Ji-sung
35 Cleverley
09 Berbatov

Go and check the match between West Brom and Man United. It was 1-1 until the defenders came in late and we won. We were even on the receiving end and under immense pressure until the defenders came in.

Also it was Fabio who played and not Evra, so Evra didn't have a 100% as you claim.

elampiro: Today is Sunday so I repent of insulting people.
Only Rooney played all 5 matches. He scored in all and got a hatrick in one.

2. Evra missed out completely against West Brom, it was Fabio who played. So verify before posting wrong information.

3. The winning factor in the West Brom game was the late introduction of Jones and Evans which allowed the defence line to play high thereby taking the pressure off the goalkeeper and helping the pressure in a forward play. The goal came at 80th minute after the subs.

4. In the 5 games, Anderson and Cleverly played only 3 together. Cleverly went out the fourth game at 24th minute and we scored four more after he left to end 5-0. The next game Fletcher played in his place and we won. The 6th game Rooney was rested and Berba brought his sluggish legs to draw the game.

5. You are yet to tell us the 8 matches both paired together. My summary is (a) It was the defence that played the major role to the wins. (B) Give Rooney power and agile playing defenders and midfield players, he will deliver 45 goals plus.

Most times it is unnecessary waste of time to argue with you when you reason a charity match is more important than league deciding matches. I am sure if you were a coach, you would take a friendly derby more seriously than a UCL final just 'cos it's a derby.

If Ando and Clerverly are so good in pairing why are you calling for purchase of mifielders to support Kagawa? You want Thiago to come. Why?

You alleged I am a house boy abi?

elampiro: It was 4-2, moreover a match is played for 90 minutes and not 60 minutes.

Using you and Coogar's logic, Cleverly and Anderson pairing was producing a draw till Vidic and Ferdinand were removed for Evans and Jones in the 75th minute, this enabled swifter moving of the ball forward and United scored the winner at 80th minute.

Exactly same way in the Community Shield against City, SAF pulled out Ferdinand and Vidic and brought in Jones and Evans and United scored three. If defence doesn't help get goals why would a coach removed two defenders when he was trailing? He did it twice. One would have expected he pulled out Rooney or Welbeck and introduce Chicharito or Berbatov, but football needs to be read in whole and not in part. After these two matches Jones, Evra, Smalling and Evans started all subsequent matches in defence, except one that Fabio played in place of Evra and it was all smooth sale till injuries affected the defenders and everything changed.

elampiro: You are the most retard dancing from one point to another. Lets have those 8 matches you claimed they started together for analysis. You will see those same defenders I mentioned featured in some of them, then Carrick in some and Rooney in virtually all. Our best midfield pairing that has won us glory currently is Carrick and Scholes/Cleverly. Before now it was Carrick and Scholes for many seasons.

For your information, The first five matches won in 2011/2012 season had Rooney scoring in all. He even hit hatrick against Bolton. Rooney played and won 5/5. Why did the winning not stop with Anderson and Cleverly three games? Mumu raise to power hundred. Then Berbatov came and spoilt the sixth match. Aside those ones, tell me the ones Anderson and Clverly played without the support of Carrick or Jones in the middle.

If at all one. still 3 match fluke. Did you win the video game? I guess you added Rooney and the young defenders before you could beat your infant opponents with Anderson and Cleverly in the middle.

Anderson and Cleverly shit of last season is just an overhype. 3 MATCHES!!!, The winning streak was 5, THEN IT CONTINUED AFTER SLOW POOISON BERBA DRAW

Tomorrow is Sunday, you can sleep on nairaland.

elampiro: You are are the one who is confused. Those three matches had some players who featured all at same time. No just Cleverly and Anderson. If you play Anderson and Cleverly with Ferdinand and Vidic in defence you wont get same result. Football is a whole team work. SAF played some guys who had energy and speed and it was working. Jones, Evra, Smalling, Evans, Rooney, Welbeck, Nani and Young were the most used. Rooney, Cleverly and Anderson played all matches. After the injury of Cleverly, the winning streak continued. If it was the partnership why didn't the winning streak stop. It continued when Fletcher took Cleverly's place until Berbatov came in and spoilt it, then the young deferders were all injured. Things fell apart until Scholes came to the rescue.

The winning continued after injury stopped the partnership. It was when the defenders started getting injured the streak stopped. So stop all these three match fluke.

dademola: @cooger; ando/cleverely kept carrick out?? for hw many games, if i may ask?? Again.. I want more clarity on dis % win ish. U talk about partnerships, isnt it?? Ok. Butner played 5games dis season, i think. Lets assume dt a particular player played 3 of dos games(i'm sure der was such a plyr. Kindly help me out wuth his name) on d left side of midfield, with butner behind him at LB.( a fullback and his winger team-mate can be sed to be a partnership). Frm wot u're saying, due to d partnership's win ratio, both playrs shud be starting for utd, and evra shud be on d bench abi??

elampiro: I thought articles didn't mean a thing to you because they are written by individuals like you?

Nothing about their partnership, the defence agility aided and ease their job. Chikena. They didn't have the usual huge gulf in the midfield created by Vidic and Ferdinand partnership in playing deep. But wait, it was just three matches. Only three matches.

Compared to Paul Scholes on his return. 17 league matches, 14 wins, two draws with Everton and Chelsea and only a lost to City at Ethihad. He was rested at Wigan and Newcastle and a certain Cleverly played, then we lost both.

Partnership in just three matches is not enough, Arsenal boys have done it several times but failed by December. Man United has started seasons with straight wins in first set of matches it is nothing strange.

elampiro: I am through with you. Go and play video game with your son. Put Anderson and Cleverly in a three match fluke, ensure to aid them with Jones, Smalling, Evra and Evans else the midfield will become too bogus for your Cleverly and Anderson.

Cleverly, Anderson, Carrick were all together when we trashed Fulham 2-1 in one of the matches you mentioned, so don't use Carrick as an excuse in the 5-5 draw.

Keep dreaming on Anderson and Cleverly three match fluke.

Manchester United’s Perfect Partnership

There’s something about the combination of Anderson and Tom Cleverley in midfield that just seems to work. So far this season they have started three games together, all wins for United. Perhaps the most abiding memory (so far) of the two playing together is that devastating partnership they formed at the beginning of last season, where they helped the Reds to dismantle all before them. But why do they work so well together?

The defining factor in their compatibility is probably their passing styles. Take the passes made by each player in the match against Fulham early this season. Anderson’s passing tends to be expansive, switching the play from side to side in order to stretch the opposition. Cleverley’s passing on the other hand appears to be short, knitting the play together with neat and incisive passes.

Anderson and Cleverley’s passing statistics vs Fulham in the 3-2 win at Old Trafford this year
These passing styles work alongside each other to great effect. If both players were to continually play expansive passes then a direct creative threat through the middle would be lacking. If both players were to only play short, neat passes, then the width of the pitch wouldn’t be utilised to full effect. The combination of both styles provides the perfect stage for United to attack with.

There would also appear to be a benefit for Shinji Kagawa in playing these two midfielders behind him. Whilst Anderson helps the transition in play to the wings, Cleverley is vital in assisting Kagawa to play to his best through the middle. Cleverley’s direct incisiveness helps to get Kagawa on the ball in threatening positions behind the striker. When United play with two expansive midfielders then Kagawa is likely to get lost in a lonely role behind the striker. The game against Fulham in August is an example of how well the Cleverley-Kagawa link-up worked as Anderson fed the ball to the wingers to create a multi-dimensional threat.

Of course, Anderson and Cleverley are not the perfect defensive partnership. An exciting aspect to their play is the dynamism and energy they both bring to the team. With this, however, comes a defensive deficiency. Perhaps it is youthful naivety, or simply the cost of having such forward-minded players but there is too often a large gap between themselves and the defence, leaving room for the opposition. In order to get the best of Anderson and Cleverley, it would seem appropriate to having a sitting midfielder behind them to help protect the team from opposition breaks.

Whenever Anderson and Tom Cleverley start a game together you can guarantee excitement. In the diamond formation they create the perfect platform for the creative midfielder to play in front of them, whilst being protected by the deep-lying midfielder. In a set-up with width they offer the opportunity for expansive wide-play, and exciting central transitions.

The two players must avoid the injuries that have so far plagued their short careers to have the positive long-term impact they could at United. What we have seen of them so far, however, is nothing short of mouth-watering. Their compatibility in midfield is a blessing to the team, and works delightfully. Let’s hope they can fulfil their potential, and become the pivotal cog that inspires United to great things.

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elampiro: I am not going to write any long article as I had made my point already.

1. Cleverly did not have a 100 percent win in 2011/12 season. He lost to Wigan, Bilbao and Ajax on his return.

2. Scholes was the real deal in 2011/12 season. Played 17 league matches, won 14, drew 2 (Everton and Chelsea) lost only to City.

3. Cleverly and Anderson started in the 5-5 draw against West Brown. So they dont have a 100 percent win the league in 2011/12.

4. Nani was on the bench many time even when he returned from injury and even didn't make the team list in some matches. I'm done with this argument.

dademola: nawa oo. Hw many games did cleverely and ando play, dt u so much believe in dem?? Again, dis %-win-ratio ish,

i wanna ask u; butner has a betta ratio dan evra, i think. Wot does it imply?? Man utd win more games wen butner plays, so butner shud be starting ahead of evra?? Pls shed more light on dis % win stuff, cos i dnt understand

elampiro: You are a compound fool. You are only good for reading video games. Supporter of bench warmers and blaming the best coach in the world for your favourite players failure. Someone who started 7 games to you was good. You see what watching highlights and videos on youtube coupled with your obsession with statistics have done to you. You can only be good in arranging your benchwarmers in a video game against a nursery school pupil, that imaginary formation do not transpire to the dressing room at Old Trafford.

As I said before, there is no point engaging in endless argument with you because you obviously are preoccupied with arguing like a lawyer just to convince instead of arguing to pass an objective assessment and information. I guess it was in your video game that Ferdinand started against Totteham and Arsenal and Raphael played the early matches. Go and play Dortmund style in your video game against an infant. Put your benchwarmers to deliver the results.

The matches Jones, Smalling, Evra and Evans have started have benefited and yielded more result to Manchester United that the few that Cleverly and Anderson started. Those guys play high and help to choke the midfieled. Whereas, when Vidic and Ferdinad play deep, they create a big gulf between the defence and attack such that the midfielders have too much space to work. It's a simple tactics in football. Ferdinand only has a balance and he doesnt have the force to push forward in open play as much as the Jones and Smalling. His recovery is very poor should he dare venture forward, smae with Vidic. Once beaten it's bye bye. Only what they have is experience to seat with the goalkeeper while Vidic uses his aerial prowess to knock off balls.

I won't bother going on an endless argument with you. You are indirectly claiming to be a better tactician than SAF, you claim to be a better financial manager than the finance team in Old Trafford. Inside naiaraland. Kudos!

elampiro: (a)Rio did not play against Arsenal and Totteham. Another lie. Rio did not even make the bench.

We had Jones and Evans in the central, then Evra and Smalling at full back for the first league games. Raphael did not start the season, he missed the first few matches.

(c)So my assertion that the formation of playing all young men is correct.

d)Stop disputing the obvious with your video game tactics. We are talking about reality and not fantasy.

(e)De Gea's ball distribution is miles behind Van Der Sar's. De Gea was even still nervous but the agility of Jones, Evans, Smalling and Evra covered him up and helped the midfield and attack with quick balls and play. In FA cup match against Fulham United won 4-1 this year, we had exactly same men (Evra, Jones, Smalling and Evans) at the back with Anderson and Carrick in the middle. Nnai, Rooney, Giggs and Nani were in forward and the ball flowed exactly same way. There was no any Cleverly.

For you to have said Ferdinand played against Arsenal and Totteham, and Raphael at right full back just suggested I don't need to waste my time keep arguing endlessly with you. Keep watching your highlights and gathering statistics to make up a fantasy tactics in your mind on how Manchester United should play.

2. What will Pique and Xavi be doing on the bench if it was a must win contests? There was no Messi also.
Barcelona (4-1-4-1): Valdés; Dos Santos (Muniesa, 62), Busquets, Fontàs (Lozano, 73), Abidal (Balliu, 73); Keita; Afellay (Cuenca, 42), Thiago, Iniesta, Pedro (Espinosa, 86); Villa (Carmona, 62).
Subs not used: Piqué, Puyol, Xavi, Jeffrén, Pinto, Riverola, Maxwell, Masip.
United 4-4-2

3. Our come back against Everton at away was much more important than the City's game of charity status. Also the come back against Totteham at Old Trafford. Against Everton at Goodison Park, if we had lost Chelsea would have been in a pole position to catch us and win the league in again in rows. It was a big nervous match because it enabled United to move 5 points clear with just three games to the end and reduce the nervousness. Remember what Everton did to us two season ago. Goals from Oshea, Ronaldo inspired own goal, Rooney and Eagles.

Totteham match had the same nature, it was 5 left matches on April 25th 2009, and Liverpool had levelled us at the top of the league. After Liverpool had beaten us earlier at Old Trafford it would have been a nervous end at they levelled. Ronaldo scored first from a penalty in the second half, Rooney scored 2nd and 4th from open play, Ronaldo 3rd from open play and Berbatov 5th from open play. These come back that helped us to league victories were more important that a victory at a charity match.

3. You keep saying combination of Anderson and Cleverly gives 100 percent win, how many matches have they started together without Carrick or Jones or Fletcher as a third midfielder? Only three. Probably some certain Simpson have same record.

4. Liverpool scored three against Liverpool, possibly the only big team he did that against, yet Rooney was part of that success. I have told you Rooney has been the heart of every bit of our success since he arrived. Rooney has countless big match successes that Berbatov was a spectator from the bench. Lazy Berbatov drew us the Stoke match, broke our jinx of a winning streak, and made our players to over work on the day. After then it was injuries to all the back men and midfield players. If Rooney was there they wouldn't have so suffered.

5. I asked the question before, do an unknown social forum analyst know football better than the professional team at Old Trafford?

The first paragraph here just made me know it is a waste of time to argue with you. You idea of football is just imaginary. It is as a result of too much reliance on highlights, statistics and videos. Watch live matches and follow the tension. When you argue, be objective and not just to be seen to be trying to gain upper hand. It is not a law court. What is real is real. What is actual is actual. Expectation, imaginaries and fantasies may never come to pass.

dademola: @cooger; pls stop dis ando/cleverely hype. Like elampiro pointed our, hw many games did dey play 2geda?? R u now saying u'd hav left carrick on d bench, just to play d 2 of em, if u were a coach??

elampiro: You said defenders are not relevant to attack. Men, you never played football. A weak defence automatically means strikers get fewer balls because the opponents will be having a field day in your team's area. Same goes to a slow defence. Also, the midfield players would be helping such defence instead of helping the forwards. But when the defenders are agile, the marking starts from the middle, when Jones is beaten, Smalling chase backwards and before the attackers get to the eighteen even Jones would have recovered with his speed and energy. When the ball is recovered they push forward quickly like Lucio and Luis do. But sluggish defence seat with the goal keeper, instead of playing high they play deep becuase they cannot chase backwards incase they are beaten. This creates a big gap between the back and forward and the midfielders are outplayed by the opponents who have much space to operate. When you watch match try to understand the whole movement of the game and not just goals and video highlights. Jones and Smalling have a trade mark drive of the ball even into attacking positions and are quickly to recover when dispossed. The good thing of having all young pacing players is that your defending midfielders can help you to cover up when you as a defender push forward like Lucio does. From open play Terry, Luis are scoring. Pique sometimes do that drive for Barca. How many times do you see Vidic and Ferdinand push beyond our 1/3 but in contrast Jones and Smalling play high and drive into the final opponents area(final 3rd) too.

2. United beat Barca in USA and City in community shield. Barca's game was not a compectitive match. Moreso many of their first team players were missing. I saw Xavi on the bench that day and with memory I knew Messi was missing. United had always done well in preseason games even the ones Macheida, Fabio, Raphael, Welbeck were having their debuts. The City game was a come back from a two goals defeat, but we had come back from two and three goals defeat against Totteham, two against Everton and three against Chelsea. In the Totteham game, we eneded up scoring five goals in each at the end, Everton we scored four at the end and Chelsea eneded 3-3, so it's shouldn't be such a big deal because Cleverly and Anderson played. Had Ferdinand and Vidic not substituted with Jones and Smalling or Evans the match would have ended in favour of City. We would have conceded more goals and more of the play done in our 3rd. This is football tactics. In all of the big comebacks, only Rooney was part of it. It's is his DNA.

3. Then you said whether they won convincingly? How is 2-1 win against West Brom convincing? How is 3-2 win against Fulhan convincing? Carrick played the full match against Fulham. I though you said they lose when Carrick or Jones is played along them? Big lie.

4. The period in focus is not the City game and Bolton game which were just three full league matches, but the early season games. Any thing can happen between an extremely short period and anyone takes glory. Just as Giggs can can take the glory of helping United to consolidate the lead at the top between Christmas and February this year.

5. Rooney was a forward for United that period. Rooney played all the matches while Welbeck played over 80 percent. Chicha played one or two as sub while Berbatov was a spectator. The match he was to anchor on behalf of Rooney he drew. Then against Blackburn, He just couldn't be the cordinator he was meant to be. You have to retain possession intelligently to prevent opponents from using it. Chicharito played first half and we were losing already.

6. United lost six one to City, yes there is something called once in a blue moon. Just like when Barca lost four nil even when the world best player was on the pitch. Mind you, it was a ten against eleven Manchester United played.

7. The real deal of last two season early success should be Wayne Rooney and not anyone else who played three matches and were also substituted. Even in the preseason he was there. Every bit of success of the Manchester club has Rooney in its heart. Those who know football know his worth and will pay him 300k to keep him. Why do Mourinho and Abramovic want him? Why does Arsenal want him and the new owners said they will pay him should he decide to join them. These are people of football, it's their business and its in their blood. Are social forum talks now more financially and football wiser than the men at Old Trafford? What is all these nonesense of Rooney is too expensive. No one tells anyone how to run his business to make profit. Anderson and Cleverly were only a three match fluke.

ileobatojo: I can assure you this technique would not have worked for me. There may be the occasional time when there would be something specific I wanted to buy and maybe I would do chores then but for the most part, if the worst thing that would happen is that I wouldn't get that extra money, trust me, I would not do chores majority of the time. I would prefer to give up the money to 'buy' my free time.

What has working to earn your keep as an adult got to do with doing chores for change as a kid? You plan to start practicing this at an early age right? Now, if you're talking about at an age when one actually needs the money, that's a different thing. Apart from when going off to college, where lack of money would really be a problem, or if I have a specific thing to buy, like I said, for the most part, I would gladly 'spend' that money to 'buy' my freedom to laze around and read a book!

Note: I never said that was a bad method for everybody. There are many kids that this would 'work' for. However, I'm personally not a fan of consistently tying your house chores to getting an allowance. I have no problems with using the money system for when they go above and beyond, but not for things they are supposed to be doing. For instance, if they maintain straight A's they can get monetary rewards. In that instance, there are all the added benefits of your child learning how to work hard, study hard, put themselves in a good position for their future, and be among the best in their class. Now we're talking! But paying your child to take out the garbage? Not in my house. What principle is that child imbibing? If no one pays me, I won't clean my house?

Andre Uweh: Chelsea fans, what do you think of E. Cavani, should Chelsea go ahead and buy him Now that Man City are no longer interested in him?.

slimyem: Its not. I assure you.
Infact, I understated most of what I said there. Stop being a thomas.

ileobatojo: It's brilliant parenting for greedy, money hungry kids like Coogar! . I can tell you right now, that technique will not work with me. If the worst thing that would happen if I don't do chores is that I won't get some extra cash for the week, you can be sure there will be a lot of undone chores quite frequently.

elampiro: You are the one embarrassing yourself. I only used Carrick and co as an example. And you are saying defenders aren't relevant? Wow!

elampiro: All the hype about Cleverly and Anderson in early last season is ridiculous to me now after I discovered they only played three league matches together.

1st Match was away to West Brom, then followed by Totteham, and Arsenal. The fourth match was against Bolton, Carrick came in for Clevrly at 24 min in 5-0 over Bolton.

Cleverly did not play against Chelsea 5th match. It was fletcher who played. Anderson was substituted at 62mims with Carrick. Then it went on to a draw against Stoke and a two nil over Norwich.

From when Man United beat City to when the win over Norwich, only Wayne Rooney was the player who played every minute of the matches, except one.

Wayne Rooney missed away match to Stoke and that was the only one out of eight that United did not win. Guess what! Berbatov was the one who played for Rooney his first time of the season. He could not lift the team.

If Rooney had featured in that match against Blackburn Rover in Old Trafford, we would easily have won the title last season.

StarBoard: Really?
Is that all you can muster?
This nitwit can't even muster an iota of shame after his revisionism and falsehood.
Answer the question instead of trying to find loopholes in my moniker, you half-baked, deranged and myopic baboon.
When did Rooney score a hat-trick vs Milan in the UCL as you horn.ily proclaimed?

ileobatojo: Eh, we're still saying the same thing. Who needs the inconvenience of doing your own job right? Why simply do your job when you can do it for "motivation"?

Kudos papa Coogar, father of the year!! I hail o!