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Gboliwe: I cant even read ur stuff still in shock at the way you addressed me. Coogar! Who told you my name?

Gboliwe: coogar! Who told you my name?!

elampiro: This is an award for Premier League at 20. Giggs and Scholes played in the modern Premier League right? And Manchester United is only a part of EPL? Now where is your logic? They said Lionel Messi is the best in the world. You guys said, oh that has to imply Villa is the best in Barca.

elampiro: Your logic doesn't make sense. More time played equals more time without goals. Except if you are talking of a league where players score one goal per match. Hisory of EPL goals average for top players players is one goal in 3 matches. Even Ronaldo's average in 4 years for United can't be up to 75 goals in about 152 games which is one goal in two matches. So a player who plays more will have a longer period of drought.

Can you say Butner is now greater than Evra for having a much higher goal to time ratio?

elampiro: It's you that need help. How would you know when you are obsessed with arguments and irrelevant statistics that Coogar feed you with. It would have been more beneficial is you told Coogar to give you team and football news. But wait, it was you who even said you don't need news 'cos you already knew. See the official award below dude.

Manchester United's Ryan Giggs was voted as the Best Player. Giggs has played and scored in every Premier League season since its inception and won twelve championship medals, the most by a player. (Since then he won his thirteen championship medal)[11] Along with him, nine other players were short-listed for the panel of judges vote for Best Player, including four other players from Manchester United:[10]

▪ Dennis Bergkamp, Arsenal

▪ Eric Cantona, Leeds United, Manchester United

▪ Thierry Henry, Arsenal

▪ Roy Keane, Nottingham Forest, Manchester United

▪ Cristiano Ronaldo, Manchester United

▪ Paul Scholes, Manchester United

▪ Alan Shearer, Blackburn Rovers, Newcastle United

▪ Patrick Vieira, Arsenal, Manchester City

▪ Gianfranco Zola, Chelsea

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Premier_League_20_Seasons_Awards

elampiro: It was Coogar logic to mention goals. He is only obsessed with statistics, yet they don't favour him.

Rooney beat Berba in goals scored in aggregate. Rooney is 197 in 9 seasons. Berba is 50+ in 4 seasons. When Coogar felt defeated he said Berba has more in percentage matches and minutes played. Again he was defeated. He said they should remove penalties. Where has that ever been done? Even on assists Rooney has more, yet he earlier argued it. When he is find out, he shift his goal post.

In the record books Rooney has more goals, also more assists in the time he played along Berba. Season by season analysis Rooney did better too. Rooney has been on 20 goals plus two seasons, Berba only one. How can a top 9 striker be scoring 9 goals in a season? He even scored 7 in a season? Who cares about minutes played, it's weak players that stay on the bench and given weak fixures to appear.

I wanted to go out. Now I stay at home to watch our match and respond here More field day for me. Lol

StarBoard: elampiro,
Forgive me,
But Rooney comes nowhere near legendary status at OT.
Asking for two transfers within 2 1/2 years cannot endear you to the Stretford end faithful by any means.
Take montelik's advise and be quiet.
The only King at Old Trafford is Eric Cantona.
Unless you want to tell us you are a newbie when it comes to supporting Manchester United.

Meanwhile coogar is making a living poking holes in your logic.

elampiro: I am so happy. At least you cannot deny the facts I gave you to counter your 40 goals lie. Also you denied that Rooney didn't have a greater number of assist. Now I countered it.

Forget about playing time and open play. A goal is a goal. Anyone that is good cannot be on the bench.

On your computation, why are you isolating one season for Berbatov? In 2008/9, he scored only 9 goals in 2542 minutes. 2010 he score only 12 from 2096 minutes, and in 2012 he scored 5 in 513 minutes.

2009
Rooney: 30 matches/2263 minutes 12 goals, 7 assist
Berba: 31 matches/2542 minutes 9 goals, 9 assist

2010
Rooney. 32/2723.... 26 goals,3 assists
Berba, 33/2096.... 12 goals, 5 assists

2011
Rooney. 28/2226..... 11 goals,11 assists
Berba, 33/2210......21 goals, 4 assists

2012
Rooney, 34/2838..... 27 goals, 5 assists
Berba, 12/513....... 7 goals, 0 assist

Also, the last time I checked, penalties are counted as goals in record books. Assists are also very important. So, Rooney has 102 goals + assist in four years.

Again, I never mentioned Berba can't use his head, except if nairaland censored my writing 'can't run with balls' to 'can't run with sphere'

Then you try to insult me by using a 3 year old as an example. Hahaha, I perfectly understand your levels now. Such is he case when one is frustrated. Like when Tyson resort to biting Hollyfield after defeat.

I gave you facts and sources to counter your claims about 40 penalties by Rooney whereas it was just 14. Your attempt to mislead people here has failed.
I really had a field day here today. Let me now go and crown it with Sunday evening outing. I will be here shortly again.

elampiro: Coogar you keep calling me a liar yet you are the one stating lies. 1. I never said Berbatov can't use his head.

2. You said Rooney scored 40 penalties for United.
See below for correct record. Even from United official website has information on it.
Rooney/United penalty record.

Rooney has taken 28 penalties in United's shirt and he has missed 9. He has only 14 Premier League goals from penalties.
2009/10 .... 4
2010/11.....3
2011/12..... 6
2012/13...... 1

Rooney's penalty scoring record. Goals. And assist since 2008.
http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/epl/players.asp?player=16340
United has only had

Since 2005, United has had 53 EPL penalties and converted 38.

Contrary to your claim, In 2011/12 United had 11 penalties, two were missed and 9 scored. Rooney scored 6, Berbatov 2 and others 1. In 2009/10, Rooney only scored 4 penalties.

So if you removed Rooney's penalties, he will have 22 EPL goals in 2009/10 seasons, and 21 goals in 2011/12 which are still higher than Berbatov best ever season of 21.

Berbatov statistics.
Berbatov figures
http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/epl/players.asp?player=5887

EPL penalty statistics by clubs and seasons
http://www.myfootballfacts.com/Premier_League_Penalty_Statistics.html

Also, stop calling penalties cheap. If it was cheap, Berbatov should not have been so harshly criticized in his lazy miss Against Everton in FA cup semi final.

3. Assist

You also said I lied about assist, the links above on Rooney and Bebatov total shows that:

2008/9 - 2011/12
Rooney, 76 EPL goals (13 from penalties) Net is 53.
Assist is 26

Berbatov, 47 EPL goals (2 from penalties), net is 45.
Assist is 20

So, where did I lie? Nani had the highest EPL assist for 3 years aggregate prior to this season. Rooney was high too but can't remember the position.

4. On the issue of performing in the big games and vital matches.

Berbatov has only 5 champions league goals in 4 years for United. Rooney already got 3 on his debut. 5 UCL goals in 4 years is too poor for a number9 striker. How can you compare this to Rooney who has a high work rate and crucial goals in the tournament. Rooney has 27 in his 9 years in UCL, and 14 in the knockout stage.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/fa_cup/7990227.stm

Dimitar Berbatov’s penalty for Manchester United v Everton was “the worst penalty taken by an international footballer”

You may wish to refer to the video.
Though anyone can miss a penalty, some people just know when to rise to the occasion in crucial times. We have big games player. Men for big and crucial occasion.

5. You said you provided highlights of Barbatov skills. I watched Berbatov, so I know his highlight. Even J.S. Park has some beautiful display of skills at some point in a match. Okocha for instance, has great foot work. But football is more than that.

6. As for the issue of Nistelrooy, you guys said he didn't have big signings playing with him in United. That was your excuse for his UCL failure and one EPL in 5 years. But he played along side expensive mates in Madrid, so what was his UCL achievements? At least Ronaldo has played 2 semi finals in 4 years. Mind you, if Ronaldo has converted his penalty against Bayern Munich, he should be more successful. So kudos to Rooney again who scores penalties to help the team through high hurdles.

7. Manchester United could have easily made around £55m in 2010, but united deemed it fit to retain him instead and also made him he 3rd highest paid. That is a man of caliber. Berbatov can never be worth as much as Rooney in the market. Never has it been, never will it be. The market determines the value of any product. Who will buy a 'fake' for a high amount when there is original? Does £30million market value resembles £4m?

8. Rooney taking a pay cut. That's not my argument or concern. Let the market forces play out.

9. Remember, there is what is called history book.
Wayne Rooney

Individual
▪ PFA Players' Player of the Year (1): 2009–10
▪ PFA Young Player of the Year (2): 2004–05, 2005–06
▪ PFA Fans' Player of the Year (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
▪ PFA Premier League Team of the Year (3): 2005–06, 2009–10, 2011–12

▪ FWA Footballer of the Year (1): 2009–10
▪ Goal of the Season (3): 2004–05, 2006–07, 2010–11
▪ Goal of the Month (6): October 2003, January 2005, April 2005, January 2007, March 2007, February 2011

▪ Sir Matt Busby Player of the Year (2): 2005–06, 2009–10
▪ BBC Young Sports Personality of the Year (1): 2002
▪ Bravo Award (1): 2003

▪ UEFA Euro 2004 Team of the Tournament
▪ FIFPro World Young Player of the Year (1): 2004–05
▪ Premier League Player of the Month (5): February 2005, December 2005, March 2006, October 2007, January 2010

▪ Barclays Player of the Year (1): 2009–10
▪ Premier League 20 Seasons Awards (1992–93 to 2011–12):
▪ Best Goal (vs. Manchester City, 12 February 2011)
▪ FIFA Club World Cup Golden Ball (1): 2008
▪ Golden Boot Landmark Award 20 (1): 2009–10

▪ FIFA/FIFPro World XI (1): 2011, and 5th best in the world.
This year he was again on FIFA top 20 again for he year 2012. He's is frequent on that list.

Gboliwe: I think sleeping with a third party answers it.
Ofcourse most people can and will tolerate any other form of 'cheating' but when it comes to a sexual union, its a no no. Today, I know and believe marriages can be devoid of cheating. Its all about self control and moral standing

elampiro: I asked you what prevented Nistelrooy from helping Madrid into UCL glory, you went into hiding. Lol

1. Rooney was given tough matches whenever SAF rotated his team. FACT.
2. Berbatov is slower than Giggs and Carrick. Even now in Fulham, go and judge his speed. He oftened slow our attack. I told you there abounds ball jogglers in the streets and stadia.
3. In four seasons, Berbatov has how many goals against he top teams? I mean for United.
4. How many UCL knockout goals does he have?
5. Rooney has 40 penalties? Give us season by season break down and how many he converted. Even when you deduct them, he is up there in high goals. Last season he scored 27 goals and 34 in all. Remove the penalties he converted and let's see.
6.What has swearing to the cameras got to do with performing and scoring in crucial games. I need the goals. He rises to big occasions. In Rome, Scholes was sent off in early minutes. Go and watch what Rooney did and his beautiful goal.
7. Rooney has the highest goals in EPL over 5 years. Nani and Rooney are among the highest in assist.
8. Rooney is swift in controlling the ball, this has led to his fast paced counter of opponents. You need a good first touch to control the ball for a counter.
9. I never saw Berbatov run past a defender and head o the goalkeeper, yet you claim he is fast. Someone who often reverses backwards once there is a defender on his way.

I told you before, that considering Rooney is 4th in all time United highest scorers, is such a bonus considering his work rate. I am not even using his goals as a means to rate him. A good follower of he game look at the whole input and work rate. If it was by goals, Welbeck wouldn't have had more matches than Hernadez. Maradonna and Zidane wouldn't have been so great because they weren't the highest scorers in their teams. Cannavaro wouldn't have won best player in a world cup. If it were by goals too, Iniester won't get rated higher over David Villa by Fifa and EUFA Xavi Hernadez won't even be making top 5 in FIFA ranking.

But there is what is called a build up to attack. Virtually every build up to attack by United has Rooney's signature in it. He does not only participate actively, he dictates them. Don't forget, he is the one who does it best in big games. His kind are rare in the world. In Europe, he has scored against Barca, Bayern, AC Milan, Roma, etc. The best in Spain, Italy and Germany in knockout stages. When you watch the matches, you will see his high level of performance, not just the goals.

The good thing about arguing for Rooney, is that facts and statistics support him. His performance cannot be denied and history books and laurels are his witness.
These I have been bringing to the fore here, and they hit you hard like a categorical 5 hurricane. Lol

Coogar, kpele. I can imagine how bad this category 5 hurricane Rooney must have bruised you. When you are face with the truth, it can never be denied, it takes you to reality.

Coogar, you know who Rooney is. You know his worth in the market. You know after 8 years he has won a lot for United, won PFA best, won UCL, won FA cup and carling cups. He has won man of the match a countless time. He has made PFA best 11 a countless time. He has made FIFA top 20 list a countless time. He has EPL best goal ever. And if sold after 8 years of high productivity, he has a much profitable return.

Now, how many times has your Berbaov made EUFA or FIFA top 20 list? What about PFA? What did he return to United? What is his market worth? Even old man Giggs should worth more.

elampiro: When did Rooney started taking penalties for Man United? Nistelrooy and Ronaldo took our penalties.

I didn't want to say anything about this issue again because the points I have given are enough for any one giving objective judgment to know the truth.

It is surprising you are still trying to compare Berba with Rooney. It makes a little sense when Nistelrooy is used in the comparison, certainly not Berbatov. For your information, Berbatov also took penalties. Berbaov is a lazy, small game player. Very slow. He has no stat against Chelsea, Arsenal, Man city, Everton. His goals were against small teams.

He often slowed the attack. How many goals did he score in Champions league knockout stage? Anytime SAF rotated team, Rooney was rested from small games. Hence, his goals should have by far be more. It terms of ball possession, passes and coordinating the game, counter attack, Rooney does it faster and with greater flair more than anyone, not just Berbatov. Even in Europe, he is high up there in those qualities.

In switching play from one side to another, Scholes is the only one who can do it better than Rooney, yet Rooney does it faster. And Rooney does it best in the opponents area. Even in games, Rooney is usually more marked.

Let me give you some instances you will understand Rooney's importance: When United when away to play Roma in UCL knock out stage, everywhere was tensed. Then Rooney got a goal and played a vital role in the 2-0 win, then the return leg, Tevez played instead because United needed to consolidate the league position in the run in. Rooney and Ronaldo were rested at Old Trafford.

Also was the knockout against Schalke 04, after 2-0 away win, Rooney was rested for a crucial league match. Then Berbaov was played in the home game. When the occasion is tough, tensed and crucial Rooney knows how to play.

I have already said enough about King Rooney, and every objective United followers knows the truth. 14 crucial goals in UCL knock out stage, against tough oppositions in tensed fixtures is not a joke.

Put Rooney in the market and see the price.
In 2012, Berbaov's worth is £4m.
In 2013 Rooney is estimated to worth £30-£40m

Finally, I told you Rooney is a supportive striker, and he works more for the team in the midfield even more than the midfield players, yet from the position and all the build up work, he has score 26 and 27 respectively. Even if you were to remove the penalties (even though he won a lot of them in the first instance) he is still high there. You may also remove Nistelrooy and Berba penalties. But these are even trivial issues.

El Guapo: [color=#0066ff]We're talking about Longevity here.
Do we have to keep changing hands?[/color]

sawyer89: Falcao is 27.He is at his peak no doubt. If he's purchased by Chelsea, what is the assurance he would replicate his superb form in the blue's jersey.

He's a fantastic player no doubt. But he's close to exiting his peak. Don't forget he is South American. I give him two more years,the mighty Falcao will be gone from limelight just as the Newswatch of old. And if that happens in a blue shirt, you will be the first person to come here to spew rubbish about Chelsea's midfielders.

Aren't you a staunch supporter of Fernando? And in your words: Torres is not the problem but the midfielders. I'm quite surprise you could support the idea of purchasing Falcao at that huge sum. I would have expected you to argue otherwise. You seem like a confused dude.

Courtois is young and can perfectly replace Cech. He has been tested on big occassions and he will not have any problem manning the Chelsea's goalie.
Where were the goalkeepers you mentioned when Fergie went for Degea? I guess they recently fell from heaven!

chelseabmw: And how old is Cesar n begovic?

armyofone: cougar,

show me how to do the gif. I don't mind being your student.

ghostofsparta: ***This is a serious topic***

I was watching this really ANNOYING Nolly/Ghanywood movie on AIT, about one otherwise comfortable young husband whose very sexy wife kept denying of sex. It's keep getting worse despite all his polite attempts and overtures. She insisted she doesn't like to have sex and that her husbands only knows nothing but sex which is untrue according to the progression of the movie. Although this poor young man fought every attempt to patronize prostitutes twice, I think he was trying to obey his moral training probably stemming for a Christian background, whatever. But alas! NEPA did their thing as usual but this time it was is a favour since I wasn't bothered on how it was going to end. But the story kept me thinking in the dark. Personally, I don't think I subscribe to this social requirement i.e. having to do with this 'Wifey thing' but what would you rather do if someone you consider your wife denies you of sex continuously?

This is what I will do:

Personally, I for one used to self-service 4-5 times a day for 18 good years, I am saying that just to give an idea of how serious my libido is. And maybe I was somehow I was somehow railroad into the matrimonial agreement and she starts maliciously starts to deprive me of what I am privileged of, say for a week or two.

dayokanu: If and when Falcao comes what would become of your boyfriend Fernandud Torres

El Guapo: [color=#0066ff]Hehe - Na by their posts we shall know 'em

Those words depicted above clearly entails that u're miles away from knowing where Chelsea are headed to.

Why would Drogba, Kalou, Malouda, Bosingwa and even Lampard be refused Long term contracts? Cos we hope to have an Influx of the youths in the current squad, a young team that can challenge - Courtous is in that Plan and swapping him for an Unproven EPL Falcao would be total madness!

Talking about dying breed, ever cared to google 'Lewandowski' 'Chicharito' or even 'Suarez' then we also have 'Ibime' - For Lawd sake, tis dudes can do what Falcao does and can come cheaper![/color]

dademola: lolololol. Hw can u make such a comparism?? Hw old was rooney den?? Where was berba wen he was 18?? Gv us d stats of both playrs at dia bests for man utd!!

sawyer89: Dumbest post of the year. SMH

shymexx: Yeah, after losing more than a thousand men in Sierra Leone alone and the tons of their helicopters shot down. The same goes for Liberia. In Sudan, they were annihilated by supporter of APC fighters and their camels. In Somalia, they were roasted by Al Shabaab. We all saw how the Kenya army annihilated the same Al Shabaab.

Your military police is just as strong as your army because they basically go through the same training save for a few extras.

Time will tell.
You mean the same army that's already overstretched? You've only got 75,000 people in your army for a country of about 160 million people.

You lot are just trying to solve the problem of BH by using the same tactics you used in making them more sophisticated - try something new.
"We cannot solve our problems with the same thinking we used when we created them." - Albert Einstein

PS: I'm a realist and I'll always speak the truth. My patriotism is about critical thinking and proffering solutions that will help in the long run.

"The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is." - Winston Churchill
I'm out!

Samsantos9: It seems you reason upside down better get a brain transplant ASAP.

okonja: FROM MAIDUGURI:- Well cooked story, Up till now 18th/05/2013...there is no GSM network, you have to go wherever you want in-person, you can go virtually...No any resident fleeing anywhere, JTF are doing there job in the right place and most people were just indoor because today is saturday...and to even top it, I was in Baban layin around 2pm, and business was going on normally like nothing never happened on Wednesday . if its bomb issue, we are now used to it BUT we pray it stop one day......

In Kanuri Language, i 'll say "NGILA ZORO"

dademola: ofcourse, ts only an ignoramus dt wld argue dt rooney's performances havnt declined ova d past 18mths. He can leave for all i care, bt comparing him to berbatov? Haaa!! Rooney at his best wasnt dt poor nau.

shymexx: ^^^^Keep wasting your time with the lousy and weak Nigerian army that takes heavy losses in every confrontation it's involved in. from Sierra Leone, to Liberia, to Sudan, to Somalia, to Niger/Delta, and to BH. Even the OMATSE cult smacked them around like kids.

Any warfare without intelligence gather is basically lost before it started.

It won't be long before BH regroup and appear in another state to unleash terror.

shymexx: I'll save this for posterity sake.
I shall remind you when it consumes the whole country and it becomes a nightmare.

I told me boy the same thing in 2009/2010 when he showed me the barbaric killings of the unsophisticated BH members on worldtstarhiphop back then. I told him it will come back to haunt Nigeria. And we all know how that ended and how BH became more sophisticated afterwards.

shymexx: And Daura saga happened before Jonathan's speech? Heck, they also got away with 200M naira after destroying your military formations. These people are ghosts and that's what asymmetric warfare is about. Hit and run.

A man of peace or a clueless dolt. The only way to solve this, is intelligence gathering, collating their sponsors, surgical operation, and cutting the head of the snake. Brute force and crude military tactics would exacerbate the whole thing.

It's basically the same thing. The French are out there to help the Malians out because mali don't have the might to(though, the French also have some interests in Mali's resources). The Malian army was been defeated by the Islamists.

AQIM wasn't part of al qaeda when they started out, but overtime they joined the fray. Time will tell.

shymexx: Biafra war was a one-sided conventional war against a separatist group that declared a republic. So, all rules of engagement were allowed. This is different.

There's absolutely no proof to show that especially when you're using surface to air missiles.And how are you sure they're happy with what's going on?

Kill terrorists but leave civilians out of it.

shymexx: It takes 3 days to make IEDs?

Your military is weak. If they were not weak, BH won't have had that much success attacking their formations and baracks.

The same collateral damage that made them go from using stick and stones, to IEDs and sophisticated missiles, no? Thread carefully before you create a bigger monster.

It's all the same doctrine and ideology. They all use the same tactics. Didn't the Nigerian military assert that the of BH was in Mali at one time

That isn't the case here. This is a case of 2 million people dying and making 50 million people more belligerent.

shymexx: Surface to air missiles aren't appropriate in any part of the world especially when it isn't a conventional war. You'd end up killing more civilians than those you're after - and this is ethnic cleansing, to be honest. I won't be surprised if Amnesty International and UNSC get involved as well.

Nigeria is definitely biting more than it chew here and you lot don't want your country to be turned into another front for al qaeda. It's already all over PressTV.com that Nigerians are killing muslims. Just thread carefully and don't ignite what you consume you - you don't have the military to fight against proper Jihadists!

I know Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and U.A.E are watching closely and they might open another front in Nigeria. These countries have the resources and the needed bloodsu.cking jihadists to annihilate Nigeria.

Don't bite more than you can chew. The more you kill civilians, the more sophisticated they'll become.
Kill BH but leave civilians out of it.

shymexx: So civilians can make IEDs, shoot anti-aircraft guns/missiles, attack military formations, and outmaneuver your military, no? Have you really been following the BH thing?

You definitely don't understand what Islamic insurgency is about. They suicide bomb their targets but these people aren't attack. They disappear and regroup. If they were suicidal when attacked - they won't be running back and forth via the porous Nigerian borders up North.

You saw what happened in Mali as well. When the French got there, they didn't stay back to fight - they took to their heels and regrouped elsewhere - and they have been hitting different targets and going ghost afterwards since then. Why do you think the French are still in Mali?

shymexx: What are you on about?
Where is the evidence that those killed are not civilians?

And if you had any idea about what guerrilla warfare is about, you would understand that BH won't be sitting out there waiting to for them to attack. It's not about just shouting about - this is military semantics.

shymexx: Not supporting BH but you lot need to be careful with the way you're handling this situation and make sure you keep civilians out of it. Using inaccurate surface to air missiles is just crude and stupid.

Just pray videos of massacres don't appear on youtube. You'd be in for a rude awakening when Islamists from around the world and the Mahgreb start trooping to Nigeria to fight Jihad - go ask the Americans. Do you even have the military to fight against proper Jihadists?

shymexx: ^^^^This is just sheer brute force and crude military tactics. I just wonder how many innocent civilians have been killed so far. Once again, humanity is always the one to bear the brunt when two elephants fight.

The confrontation is most likely going to end in a deadlock - however, humanity would be the one at the losing end.

StarBoard: @elampiro,
Please stop posting these stories.
More often than not we've read them before you post them.

dademola: cooger.. Pls upload berba's stats wen he was HGS, compared to rooney's own.thanks