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afam4eva: I respect Advocate for retracting some of the things he said. Those are the kind of people we need in our country.

but words are weapons - retracting it does not nullify what has been said already. i believe advocate is more than 40 yrs of age. should he have said what he said in the first place? why do you people shy away from calling a spade what it is? we don't need people like him in nigeria - we need people who think deeply before acting like rabid dogs!

worry 359: [size=14pt]Capita gets contract to find 174,000 illegal immigrants[/size]
Services company Capita has won a government contract to help find and remove more than 150,000 migrants who have overstayed their visas, it has been revealed.

The payment-by-results deal is worth up to £40m, chief executive of the UK Border Agency Rob Whiteman told MPs.

He was unable to tell MPs what target the company had been set for removals.

The 174,000 have been denied permission to stay in the UK but have gone missing.

stupid idea......
more avenues to plunder our taxes in a useless project that would be pissed on by the european court of justice. when these immigrants get caught by the bounty hunters, they simply take their cases to the european courts who would then rule in their favour - so i ask, what's the essence of this wasting of public funds?

afam4eva: That shows that he's Human. You nko?

i think before i act, look before i leap......
there's no single regret in everything i have written on this forum! i mean what i say - i say what i mean. if ogugua is your sister, would you let a street urchin ptyalise such rubbish to her? is this the principle our culture teaches? i have lost all respect for you bigots.......advocate666 should be permanently banned! he's not mentally fit to interact with humans on a public forum!

advocate666: ok.
don't crucify me.
removing it.

you act absent wisdom...
how old are you that you have to retract every statement you make, regret every action you take? as old as you are, you sat down, typed 10,000 words to curse a woman young enough to be your daughter - you are a disgrace to the igbo nation, you useless sonofawhore!

advocate666: Yes, her post is one long insult to all well meaning igbos all over the world.

you can rot in hell, advocate666
burn slowly and painfully, and may each day in hell be twice as long as the one before it....amen!

advocate666: Ogugua's response is a shameful indictement on the igbo nation. Especially those that put her in such an elevated position.
She has just confirmed herself that she is clueless as regards her duty as Ezenwanyi. Her supporters have been touting her intelligence but the intelligent thing to do when one does not know her duty is to resign from that duty. If she doesn't, she has to removed.
This must be the first time in the history of manking and a self declared ignoramus and clueless leader has been kept in office by both her people and the enemies of her people combining in an evil unholy alliance for the downfall of her people. and it is happening to igbo people. I say, "shame on you."
Here is Ogwugwu88, whinning that she is being slandered against. This is the same american ignoramus that on this forum collectively slandered millions of igbos worldwide by calling the murderers, kidnappers and armed robbers.
Her parents gave her a beautiful igbo name which means the consoler but the has turned it upside down and is now a source of shame, sorrow and regret for her people.
Shame on you Ogugua88.

Cursed be the day you were born.
Cursed be the breath that kept you alive after coming out the womb.
Cursed be everything you touch in this world.
May you stay barren and not bring another accursed entity into this world.
May you have no peace, no quietness, no rest but only turmoil.
May the igbo you hate so much call upon you, assail and inflict your worst imaginable iniquities on you the next time your cursed legs touch igboland.

epitome of a cassava background.....

texazzpete: Please, is there any Igbo person here that is not DEEPLY ASHAMED to count this m0r0n as one of you?

Anyway, people like you exist to be sent to the front lines as cannon fodder.

I shudder to think how EMPTY your real life must be for you to be getting so worked up over this title that will not even appear on your CV?

i am a full-fledged igbo man and i am deeply ashamed to count CHESSBOARD as one of us......that being said, you need to understand every society has its own few undesirable elements. don't let his unruly behaviour tilt your opinion about ndigbos.....you cannot paint everyone with the same brush just because of an ornery, misguided bat who has lost his ability to apply common sense at all times!

ogugua88: Good evening/morning fellow Nairalanders,

I hope all of you had a great Thursday. I do apologize for the late reply. I am just now getting home and settled.

I managed to get through all 20+ pages of this thread, as well as the few pages on the other thread. I am amazed as to how my posts and character, which, in my opinion, have never faltered, managed to cause such a reaction. The optimist in me wishes that people would partake in constructive criticism and friendly argument, rather than spending nearly 24 hours defaming, slandering, and falsifying a fellow Igbo.

It is no secret that I did not formally accept nor reject my nomination of Eze Nwanyi. Like ifyalways, I too asked what exactly the roles of such a position were. It was to my understanding that at the moment and up until now, the role of Eze Nwanyi had and has not been defined. PointB, 9ja_I_Hail, and others monitored the elections like hawks. The elections were deemed fair, and Odumchi and I emerged as victors.

Not knowing and still not knowing what my duties are, I went ahead and accepted the position. I know that my beliefs and aspirations differ from some Igbos. It is for that sole reason that I agreed to be Eze Nwanyi. I would be lying if I told you that I am here for the title. I am blessed to have the kind of parents that I have as they have never liked titles. As a result, titles do not drive me crazy either. What matters is what I do with it and make of it. I cannot put “Eze Nwanyi of Nairaland Igbos” on my curriculum vitae or post-graduate applications and I certainly won’t get a raise at work. I am here because I want to learn. I am here because I believe I have something to offer. That is priceless.

As aforementioned in my acceptance speech, Eze Ndi Igbo will benefit from having a diversity of minds. I am different than Odumchi. I am different than OnlyTruth. I am different than PointB. I am different than all of you and vice versa. I know that I will not always agree with every Igbo and vice versa. That is fine and normal. What matters is how we work out those differences for our benefits. With differences come the best of ideas and the most effective of methods. Always remember that there are multiple ways to skin a cat, but there is always a best way.

With that said, there is a difference between disagreements or conflicting thoughts, and baseless hatred. I understand that, at times, I can be blunt. I took after my father in that I am not one to sugarcoat anything. I apologize if the way I convey my thoughts offends anyone, but my philosophies remain the same. You do not have to accept my way of thinking, truly, and I don’t wish for anyone to accept my train of thought until they have considered it and understand from where I am coming. However, when insults start flying, when defamation of one’s character is rampant, when bullying is the response, and when jungle justice is in effect (for a crime unbeknownst to me), not only have you crossed the line, but you have passed that line by miles.

If you are looking for an Eze Nwanyi who will be a pushover, then I am not your woman. If you are looking for an Eze Nwanyi who rewards only the good and hides the ills of her own brothers and sisters, then I am not your woman. If you are looking for an Eze Nwanyi who bashes other tribes in order to prove she is pro-Igbo, then I am not your woman. If you are seeking an Igbo woman of intellect, sympathy, understanding, determination, and the best wishes for her region and peoples, then look no further.

Something we all mention at one point or another is that charity begins at home. Part of charity starting at home is being able to differentiate right from wrong amongst Ndi Igbo. Part of charity starting at home is identifying the incorrect and correcting it in Ndi Igbo. I have been and always will be committed to Ndi Igbo. Despite my being critical, I only have our best interests at heart.

I think that is all I have to say on this matter. It is late and I have work tomorrow morning.

Ndi Igbo, I believe PointB has opened a thread concerning electoral reform and other matters. Your constructive input would be greatly appreciated there as we try to move forward and embark on our journey to brighter days.

O, for “odeshi”,gugua88

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[quote author=Okija_juju]lol... First thing, these anti-cult people in the video that were brandishing Pump-action rifles, are they members of the Police or just University Vigilante?!

[color=orange]Next.. Did anybody hear the guy who shot the video urging them to shoot the nigga on his leg?! [/color] Very funny shit!!


#There is an ALUU inside 99% of Nigerians..


_{To whom it may concern, I was the fourth Poster... The friggin Mods deleted my post..} [/quote]you can sugar-coat the video clip all you want - i am not going to watch it - never ever!!

dayokanu: For me, domestically I prefer the cleaning jobs. Scrubbing bathroom, vacuuming the floor, and if we have babies, I would love baby sitting too.

My wife might do more of the cooking job cos I heard women have a sentimental attachment to the kitchen. I usually hear things like "This is MY kitchen/territory"

why don't you just hire an au pair?

i mean - what happens if you and your partner are invited to a social gathering - you wouldn't go because you have to babysit or she has to babysit? i just don't get the big deal between house chores and nigerians.......

if you are not good at a particular task, hire an expert to sort you out! i cannot cook to save my life and i am too old to learn now. i buy my stew/soup from decent restaurants(a week's fill is about £20).....freeze it, microwave it when i have to eat and boil some rice and eat! happy days!

tpia1: how do you know that?

just curious.

i could have voted if I'd wanted to, and I'm not Igbo. (I wasnt on the thread btw).


was someone vetting the process?

each vote was screened to the last detail....you wouldn't have been allowed on the thread, let alone vote......onlytruth went through the posts of each member that voted to see their tribal affiliations! ogugua won that election fair and square and was voted by her ndigbos!

Jarus: Lol. Ban reduced to 10 hours.

reduced? 10 hrs?
jarus.....are you kidding me? are you aware freeglobe is advocate666 and should be serving a ban as we speak? jarus, don't be fooled by this criminal - he's been changing IDs all day to incite tribal hatred on this thread.......

chamotex: Giggs has no shame. That's why I have the utmost respect Gary Neville for retiring at the perfect time.
After the West Brom game, he knew it was time to hang up his boots and did so gracefully.
Fergie will keep giving them contracts until they retire, he is too sentimental to release them which is a shame. Even when Scholes retired, Fergie called him back...do you really think he'll now tell him "oh sorry Scholesy you're not needed anymore"?
If G.Nevlle was still playing, Rafael wouldn't have had enough games to cement his place like this.

It really hurt me seeing Pogba playing Championls League football for Juventus yesterday, it broke my heart.

we lost a gem in pogba......
recently, he also admitted we lost a gem in ryan shawcross and there are rumours we are taking him in january........fergie let shawcross leave on a cheap because of brown and oshea

dayokanu: Torres was making the wrong run. he was supposed to make a run towards the center and not the flank.

he knew he wouldn't get to the ball with the way the goalie charged so he moved away from the goalie's path - are you this idiotic? you really think any player would get to that ball before the keeper does while staying ONside? jeeeez - did you not see that torres had to keep the same line with the last defender otherwise he would be offside?

A simple run to the center would have put Torres one on one. But like he has done for most of the past 2 yrs, He is always following murphys law, Ensuring that anything that can go wrong actually did.

dayo does not understand football - your football illiteracy has been exposed! I'd let others watch this clip and expose your lack of knowledge even further....

Newcastle played a different formation from what Arsenal did. When you have 2 strikers capable of playing as top 9 you use 4-4-1-1 like it has been done with (Crespo-Vieiri). Bergkamp has never led the lines anywhere in his career and most times he plays as a support striker either supporting Henry, Wright, Kluivert etc

stop lying - bergkamp was an arrow head for arsenal! in the 90s, all english teams were playing 4-4-2 religiously. 2 wingers and 2 central forwards! your crespo-vieri example is way off the mark - they were not playing in the english league then. stop mixing apples and oranges.....bergkamp played as a centre-forward in his early years @ arsenal!

The coach measures the productivity. Drogba was playing exactly the way Jose wanted but Torres is plank through and through, not supporting midfielders, not scoring not doing anything aside keeping shekpe.

how do you know torres isn't playing like di matteo wanted? has di matteo come out to criticise torres' positioning or work ethics? are you confusing how di matteo wants torres to play with how you want him to play? answers on a postcard, please....

How many penalties has Ba, Fletcher, Michu, Suarez, Van persie scored? are you saying each of these have scored 5 penalties this season already?

torres has featured in nearly all chelsea games - the question you should ask me is how many penalties have chelsea had while torres was on the pitch? chelsea is a top team - they would win penalties more than the examples you gave up there....ba, fletcher, michu, etc? are you this idiotic?

Jarus: Advocate666 has been sent on 48 hours course for spamming this topic with illegitimately gotten, albeit beautiful (lol), face of another forum member.

Let other trouble makers here present also be warned else they will be sent to NIPSS Kuru for permanent course.

48 hours? it should be 48 yrs!
jarus - i have to be frank with you guys - you mods are too lenient for these internet miscreants - you indirectly allow these gooks to do as they please because the punishment is too easy for them. start banning these tools for months and they would learn and act accordingly!

kingoflag: KWENU: Our Culture, Our Future

Inferiorization of Igbo women and its consequences


CHURCHILL OKONKWO


Churchill.okonkwo@gmail.com


Sunday, September 9, 2007

“We represent over half of humanity. We give life, we work, love, create, struggle, and have fun.
We currently accomplish most of the work essential to life and the continued survival of humankind.
Yet our place in society continues to be undervalued.”
- Jivka Marinova

Inferiorization is the conscious, deliberate, and systematic process utilized to derogate, demean, and relegate an individual, group as second class. The meaning of the word “feminine,” is modeled, especially in classical ascetic cultures, on the images of the lower self and world. Autonomous social selfhood is imaged by men - the cultural creators of this view - as intrinsically “male,” while the “feminine” becomes the symbol of the repressed, subjugated and dreaded abysmal side of man.

In Nigeria, while some ethnic groups have gone ahead in women liberation and empowerment, Ndiigbo, the Hausas and few others still believe that the place of a woman is at home. The place of an Igbo woman in the community is still that of social exclusion.

In the southwest of Nigeria, a Yoruba woman is known to be as industrious as an Igbo man with their men struggling to meet up. An Igbo man will however prefer to be the “lord of the house” and in the communities even in the face of glaring failure and incompetence - not give women any chance social and intellectual expression. Man must be man, so we struggle till death; we abandon our villages and communities to cities and vow never to go back until we “make it”. We do rituals; defraud our brothers… to maintain the dominance?

There is a saying in Igbo land that; an old woman never forgets the dance steps she learnt while she was still young. The fact that the old woman (still) remembers or knows the dance suggests her possession of admirable mental capacity. Some of these proverbs of Ndiigbo is however being undermined by other negative, derogatory and sexist ones which are in the majority and are constantly being used to subdue and dominate.

Take a closer look at some of these selected Igbo proverbs:

1. A woman whose husband has decided to hate cannot solve the problem by mere cooking of delicious soup
2. Due to their habitual denial of favours they receive, women do not grow beards.
3. When a woman is getting old, it would seem as if money (brideprice) was not paid to marry her.
4. A woman whose husband has just died and she prepares to go to market knows what killed him.
5. A dog trained by a woman (always) bites people to death
6. A woman who goes to Afor Nnobi Market and fights, goes to Nkwo Alor Market and fights, goes to Eke Uke Market and fights, is it the market people that are looking for trouble (from her), or is she the one that is looking for trouble (from market people)?

In Igbo proverbs, women are portrayed as being childish, irresponsible, foolish, weak, unreliable, wicked, dangerous, and generally inferior to men. As are result of these images, which are used in the proverbs as valid cultural constructions, young, middle aged and old, make reference to them in maintaining their dominance. My question; Is it only a man’s right to hate her husband? Is it only women that grows old or denies favour done for them? Are all these long-aged dominance awakening the consciousness of our women to their rights?

As our women folk came to the realization that their destiny is in their hands, they are gradually taking over proceedings in education and civil service. The female population in all the higher institution in Southeastern Nigeria averages 65%, the female/male teachers in our schools is 3:1; the civil service is being taken over by female employees as more men shy away from these low paying jobs in search of “get-rich-quick” options.

When a woman is hungry for gossiping, she starts asking questions about what she already knows – Igbo proverb meant for derogation and denigration of womanhood by men. The women are however not only asking questions as to why accept the inferiority, they are taking actions. The truth is that the women are coming, some have even arrived. The dire consequences of this age-long inferiorization of women can be seen in many broken homes where the woman in an attempt to protect her rights gets kicked out by the ‘man of the house’ or opts out on her own – a “dangerous” trend.

Some woman have chosen to be single parents, others to remain single the divorce rate continues to increase. The trend is fast spreading from developed countries where the rights of women are protected by law to developing democracies where such rights are still being trampled on. The women can no longer wait. Their reasoning – and rightly too; I have a good job, am educated, I can maintain myself and train my kids, I am a professional woman, so what?

Meanwhile those women who cannot stand and fight now are silently equipping themselves by going to college, taking up positions in the civil service, decision and policy making positions that are currently being neglected by men. We (men) wake up everyday and continue with our quest for ill wealth and power thinking the status quo will be forever.

I think its time for cultural reorientation and steps towards emancipation and empowerment of our women folks. This will not only help release the bottled up anger, but in the long run will create a better educated and enlightened society, good economic standing for families etc. It is either this is done to forestall the tragedy and clash ahead or we prepare to face the volatility of the violent mix. I may be wrong or right but the era of inferiorization of Igbo women is coming to an end for sure and am afraid of the consequences.

Simply surprise yourself yonder

http://www.kwenu.com/publications/cokonkwo/inferiorization_igbo_women.htm

that was a good read!
the author captured exactly what is going on here today - these tools want to muffle ogugua because they felt her place should be pounding yams in the backyard......the most disgusting aspect of it all is the women supporting touts like advocate666 and his hidden agenda........one day, their own turn would come as well to be ridiculed, denigrated and silenced by these chauvinists!

FreeGlobe: sorry, unlike in your village we dont condone peadohilism and homosexuality from where I come from. Its a value we hold strongly. try again dunce. retartd

says who? pedophilia is common in your village....
maybe no one has had the chutzpah to tell you what i am about to say right now...
you are a product of an incestuous relationship!

FreeGlobe: you people have no shame, someone that has been brutally disgraced frim the beginning of the thread to present is talking about illiterates. if you by any means have a degree, you need to dump it and go back to school for proper education. if your parents saw this thread you'll be disowned!

shut up, you diseased bat!
what do you know about formal education......the only education you had as a child was informal - learning how to climb palmtrees with bare hands! you were kicked out of school because of your short attention span and the fact that you lost your virginity to your uncle...

[quote author=Sisi_Kill]So none of the so called elders and wise ones sees fit to call that useless advocate66 of thing to order right with the picture posting right?

Show of shame! [/quote]no decorum!

i think what we are witnessing here is a divide between the igbos that are exposed/educated and the ones who are village-based! normally - the igbo woman are not allowed to speak so its a culture shock to dede1 and his goons to see ogugua holding it down as the ezenwanyi........you cannot really blame these stark illiterates, they have only been out of their respective villages once in their entire lifetime so they don't know better........

dayokanu: And who said torres miscontrolled?

you said torres mistimed the pass which was wrong - there's no way torres was getting to that ball even if he was driving a ferrari - it was a bad pass from mata unless you suffer from pink eye!

he wasnt even within 5 yards of the ball to miscontrol. the ball was centered, Torres was running to the flanks. Isnt that the typical Torres way?

it was a useless pass to start with....torres would have to be miles offside to get to that ball!

Ian Wright

arsenal played 4-4-2 not 4-4-1-1, you plank!
you would tell us now that papiss cisse is supporting demba ba or yorke supported andy cole?

Mourinho had Drogba playing exactly the way he wanted that was why he kept Drogba on the field despite having other options like Eidur Gudjonsen, Mateja Kezman and (Crespo when he was around) because he was pleased with what Drogba was delivering

16 goals in 41 apps for drogba...... 7 goals in 17 apps for torres
who has been more productive? leave sentiments out of this!

You mean 1 goal every 3.5 hrs is what is expected of Torres? We can then say Olivier Giroud is having a breakout first season in Arsenal

7 goals in 17 apps, if he took penalties like most star-players, torres would be around 12/13 goals in 17 apps.......that is not decent enough for you?

[quote author=nnenna.1]It is not just the Igbo men who are insulting others though.

Argh...forget it. This is such a waste of my time. Logging off for the day.[/quote]good night!
make sure you buy mama funsho's puffpuff on your way home - it's been a hard day!

[quote author=nnenna.1]But why is Ogugua being insulted? Fine we may not all agree with her but this is looking like a manifestation of a personal vendetta. We don't have to sink this low to make a point, come on!

And the insults everywhere else is looking ratchet.[/quote]i am so ashamed of some of my igbo brothers on this thread - what happened to the proud igbo men of yesteryears - the ones who are comfortable in their skin, the ones who don't suffer from inferiority complex, the ones who could walk freely without paranoia..... the current generation of the present igbo men on this forum leaves a lot to be desired!

manny4life: They love anything Igbo, some cannot sleep at night if they don't interfere with anything Igbo... It's a NL norm, don't be surprised.

so discussion on a public forum should be tribal-based? if the yoruba posters here have a shallow mentality like you, would seun even allow igbo members on his forum? seriously, some of you bigots function on a single-digit intelligence quotient.......very soon, your insecurities would get the better of you and claim igbos own nairaland just like you are currently claiming igbos own lagos!

when would this show of shame end?

chamotex: Fergie should play Coogar and Starboard up front against Galatasaray

Mr TA and Montelik to replace Valencia and Nani on the bench.
I can control the CM all by myself.

hehe....
when would giggs retire? i am so tired of seeing him now in the team. his continuous inclusion in the team is the reason our young players remain stunted in their development!

advocate666: she loaded that pic herself on NL, with pride, https://www.nairaland.com/1094767/barack-obama-vs-mitt-romney/5#12858447

I only put her words in front of her photo. Sorry, no rule broken. Try harder.

she doesn't need her own consent to put her own pic on a forum........you - like an animal that you are posted her pic without her consent on a public forum where séxual deviants like yourself roam without a leash..........i would make sure you get banned for that.........better take it off and tender apology before its too late!


you have exactly 300 secs to remove it.....

dayokanu: How did Torres tenacity come into the 2nd goal pls explain

you have to explain how torres mis-controlled mata's lob......you see how your misguided vision can make you see what isn't true? that is the illusion most anti-torres crew see when watching him.........if i didn't pull that clip up, you already have it registered in your mind that torres' bad timing was the reason the ball got to the goalie whereas it was mata's idiotic pass.....

Dennis Bergkamp was a striker in a 4-4-2 formation very similar to Kanu whose job is a "SUPPORT striker"

who was bergkamp supporting in 95?

In 2005 That was the Mourinho era. Jose wouldn't stick to Drogba if he wasn't delivering given that he had several options in attack like Kezman, Gudjonsen

delivering what? 16 goals in 41 apps in his first 2 seasons is delivering? torres is a goal away from half of that and the premier league is not even one third completed yet! delivering my arze........mourinho had drogba playing agbero football, football has moved on beyond that!

Torres currently is the easiest striker to handle cos he doesn't pose any threat in any form to defenders. Whenever the Chelsea midfield doesn't deliver we can be assured that a bad day awaits. When would he come up like Moses, Drogba, RVP, Rooney etc and deliver in crunch times?

7 goals in 17 apps is very decent for a striker who does not take penalties....very very decent stats!

advocate666: Abeg face front.
Where this one crawl out from?

i hope you know it's an offence to load someone's pic without his/her consent.....i hope you get banned permanently! obdurate schlepper like yourself - i bet you wänk with ogugua's pic with your calloused fingers.......oloshious fellow!

dayokanu: The first goal was scored because the clearance hit Torres

how did the clearance hit torres and score? if torres didn't close down the goalie, would the ball have cannoned into the net? he didn't have to charge the goalie if he's lazy like you plebs make him to be

Second goal credited to Torres? are you having a laff?

Mata sent a cross and Torres missed the timing which allowed the keeper to intercept. if Torres run had been perfect the keeper wouldnt have intercepted the ball.

this is exactly what i am talking about - torres get blamed for the mistake of others..
torres missed the timing? or mata's lob was a wayward pass but torres' tenacity forced the goalie to make an emergency clearance.....if torres didn't charge towards him, keeper would have had the time to control the ball and avert the danger!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY0ydTbbvcY

dayokanu - watch this clip and tell me how torres missed the timing of mata's lob
please impress me or admit you are a pleb!

Unfortunately Torres doesnt do anything. One of the major job of a striker is to score He has failed miserably at this.

discuss dennis bergkamp!

We all watch games and we see Torres doesnt draw anyone away. When Drogba was playing even when not scoring everyone saw the tonnes of work he was doing upfront engaging opposing defenders giving knockdowns

that's because you concentrate on his mistakes more than his good deeds.... torres does a whole lot of work for chelsea. his movements create chaos in the opposition defence!

vs Munich in 2005 CL quarters. Drogba alone won the game sodomising Lucio and Kovac in every contest (Out of like 16 aerial balls Drogba won like 14) It was Drogbas knockdowns that gave Lampard his brace and Joe Cole his goal.

On Tuesday Dortmund vs Madrid Lewadoski didnt score but it was him alone facing the Madrid 2 CB and delivering 2 knockdowns for his team mates to score from

Thats what a modern striker does. Not mistiming runs, falling like a feather and worst of all not finding the net

you call what drogba did in 2005 football? drogba was wänk then! he was consistently outshone by chelsea midfielders(joe cole, robben lampard, etc)

dayokanu: Torres is the certified dud. No one even complains about him any longer. Its like living with a sick child.

We are trying to find out who was supposed to be tracking Srna on the Left side

Definitely Bertrand cant be facing the RW and the RB every time without getting owned

torres scored the first goal - his tenacity and work ethic got chelsea that goal....the 2nd goal can also be partially credited to torres. it was because torres closed down the goalie that got the goalie clearing the ball like a lunatic......yes, oscar brought the ball down with a deft touch and fired it home with a majestic technique.....

on the issue of torres - it's kinda idiotic that torres cannot have a good match if be doesn't score. that's the deduction of most nairalanders but this is the modern era - scoring goals is very important but so is goal-making....

check this scenario.......mata is with the ball with torres ahead of him, torres darts to the left channel to receive a pass from mata.....2 defenders went after torres' run thus clearing the way for mata...mata fires, mata scores......

to charlatans like yourself, torres is dud for not scoring more than mata(midfielder)
to an astute observer like coogar, torres is brilliant for dragging his markers away!

food for thought.....:

shymexx: Hmmm.... Soon come, as long you know what the end game is...

*Activate mode*

shymmex - load your gif na....

Onlytruth: My brothers and sisters, "agha amagedon" ebigo!

Please let everyone take a breather first. I shall offer my opinion on this controvesy and advise us all to always bear in mind that we are surrounded by enemies, always.
Just take a peek and see how non-Igbo have basically hijacked this thread!

onlylie - welcome back!!!
how has your stay been in exile?

ogugua should better appoint me to write her speech tonight.......
tonight, we shall celebrate the death of bigots on this section....freeglobe and advocate666, this is the end of the road for y'all!

shymmex, abeg load that gif of your chic & her dancing booty...it's celebration time!

dayokanu: Before you all lay all the blame on Bertrand, Who was the left winger for Chelsea?

he did a poor job all night. How can Shaktar Right Back Srna be marauding everytime.

Its either the Chelsea LW isnt tracking Srna or not engaging him enough

left winger for chelsea? isn't that torres?
in your own words - torres is the only reason chelsea lose/draw games.....so look no further than torres!