₦airaland Forum

freecocoa:
Oh well coogar you can't put me and the people who sent those kids out into the streets on the same scale na, true Nigeria shouldn't be compared exactly to western countries but that doesn't mean we can't atleast do something to salvage the situation in our own little way.

what exactly can we do? the last time i was in nigeria i spent a month there - i was introduced to these couple @ the church who want their kids to work as cleaners in my house! i didn't think i needed them cos i was only spending a month but the pastor told me i should just see it as a way of helping the impoverished family......that's the way it works in africa! the direct comparison to america/britain is not logical! the kids in those countries are well catered for by the government! the nigerian child gets nothing from his government and if his parents are poor - then start praying for that child!

Ujujoan: It's true that there's no law, but I think in this context, it's more of a moral crime. It's wrong to abuse children just cos there's no law against it?

yes, it's wrong to abuse a child but like sisikill mentioned - child abuse runs deeper than verbal, physical or sëxual abuse. patronising kids who sell wares is encouraging child labour which is a form of child abuse....

as per the moral crime - the parents of these kids don't even understand that! they literally go on their knees when they beg you to hire the kids. on one hand you are thinking it's not ethical and on the other hand you are thinking if you hire the kid, you would practically buy him a new life, educate him, put food on his table, etc!

freecocoa: Ha coogar, na so e be?
Well the fact that I buy things from kid hawkers does not make me a hypocrite, na me send them go sell the thing? Abeg let's be reasonable here.

and this is exactly why you are a hypocrite!
you are speaking against what you aid on a daily basis - for instance, animal rights group attack people who wear fur jackets, crocodile skin shoes, snake skin bags, etc na the wearers kill the animals? the buyers and the sellers are all major stakeholders in this!

what about blood diamonds? the celebrities that got attacked for purchasing conflict diamonds, shey na beyonce dey cut the arms of children in sierra leone? abeg, you are as guilty as the parents who send these kids to sell wares! if you are totally against child labour, stop buying from the kids otherwise you are a hypocrite!

ifyalways: ^ ^ this is not coogar. Someone else, probably a female is rocking that handle now.

Your point is what?cos you've patronised child-hawkers you cannot speak up against child labor or that qualifies you guilt- free to hire a child to clean your shyte?

i am saying there's no written law against child labour in nigeria - when there's no law, there's no crime! we should stop comparing nigeria to developed countries! how can you speak against child labour when you patronise children who sell goods? is that not hypocrisy? if we all stop buying from these kids, their parents would remove them from the streets - if we all stop hiring kids as maids, their parents would not send them out to work as maids! you cannot focus on hiring of maids and ignore the fact that you aid child labour each time you buy ewa agoiiiiin from a 10-yr-old!

i can stand the ignorance, it's the hypocrisy i cannot stand.....

the following posters are hypocrites:
sisikill
debrief08
freecocoa
kobojunkie
and others i cannot remember!

i find it particularly amusing when people who have read a magazine or two about child labour bring their political correctness on a forum and start comparing the western countries to nigeria! that concept is sheer ignorance cos what defines an individual as a child abroad is not the same as that of nigeria! a child is a "child" abroad but a child isn't a "child" in nigeria! send a 2 yr old baby to a paraga joint in nigeria and he would buy anything he wants as long as the baby has enough money to complete the transaction! is that how it works abroad? is the nigerian child the same as his counterparts abroad?

in the developed world, there's nothing like child labour because the government recognises it as an offence and they have plugged the loopholes any parent or guardian can use as an excuse! children get allowances from the government, they get free rides on buses, there's free education to secondary school level - which means only an evil parent would still subject his kids to forced labour when all the basic necessities of that child have been catered for!

it's not the same in nigeria - parents get zero support, education is not free and children do not get allowances from the government - which means the parents must do everything for their kids. it's damn impossible not to have child labour in that society - the fault is not with the parents, it's with the government! there's no law against child labour in nigeria and when there's no law, there's no crime! some parents need their kids to work to make ends meet!

all the posters speaking against child labour on this thread are hypocrites because all of them have contributed their quota to encourage child labour! these posters(freecocoa, debrief08, sisikill, kobojunkie) have all patronised children selling oranges, gala, agege bread, etc. each time you have used these services when you are well aware these kids should be in school studying arithmetic, then you have all aided child labour! if any of you have sold alcohol/cigarettes to a customer who is less than 18 yrs of age, you have also abused that child! if any of you have sent kids less than 18 on an errand to buy alcohol/tobacco then you have abused that child!

the only thing left is for you people to take a hard look at yourselves in the mirror and see the sheer hypocrisy you wallow in! we have all contributed to the business of child labour in nigeria, we have all abused children in nigeria(if we go by the western standard you guys are championing on this thread) - so it's a bit rich for you guys to wear a mask of hypocrisy on a faceless forum to condemn the act you engage on a daily basis! the hypocrisy makes me sick to my stomach!

Purist: I still feel very angry, depressed and largely pessimistic about this country when I think about how those 4 boys were ruthlessly murdered. I have been hoping for justice for past 6 days, but knowing how my country operates, that's the best I can probably do - Hope. Nonetheless, I learnt a few things from the whole debacle.

(1) As obvious as it sounds, the Aluu incidence only confirmed that it is very difficult for most people to think clearly when emotions are running high. The Aluu savages were guilty of this, and sadly, many not-so-different supposedly educated and enlightened Nairalanders are equally guilty of this.

(2) Most Nigerians are wild animals in human skin. As someone on another thread aptly captured it, "Aluu is just a random location and Boko Haram + Almajiri killings are just opportunistic events, most Nigerians are capable of these vices." This statement was made very evident here on Nairaland by people who strongly expressed their belief that jungle justice for jungle justice is the most appropriate method to level things out. They saw absolutely no problems with cursing and destroying an entire community for the sins of a few.

(3) Most people here that screamed the most are not concerned about the Aluu 4 per se. Do not be swayed by the cries and shouts of "Burn the village! Wipe them off the earth!", etc. All those clamouring for a reprisal attack only seek to satisfy their own blood lust and nothing else. Outside Nairaland, none of these people actually give a f#ck!

(4) Critical thinking is apparently not our forte in this country. It bewilders me that only a very few people on all the numerous threads about this incidence could put forth decent arguments and look beyond sentiments. It was quite amusing to see that the majority of Nigerians failed woefully to realise the irony of their clamour for the Aluu community to be razed down. Advocating the same thing you condemn in the same breath is the definition of Duplicity. Just like the man who sets a bomb to prove how peaceful he is.

(5) Nigerians are largely hypocrites who practise their religions very selectively. I am fairly certain that the vast majority of those who supported these reprisal attacks all identify strongly with one religion or the other. In fact, I dare say that most of them belong to the supposedly mild Christian faith. However, it was quite interesting to observe how virtually all of them completely disregarded religious injunctions in favour of their own abhorrent desires. Some even desperately attempted to use their religious texts to justify their opinions, despite the very clear positions of these mainstream religions on killing and revenge. In essence, I particularly learnt in this case that when the push comes to the shove, most Nigerians - deep deep deep down inside of them - don't really give a f#ck about the God they all claim to believe in.

In a nut shell, crass animalism, gross stupidity and sheer hypocrisy runs rife in my country. These, gentlemen and ladies, are what I learnt.

i learnt nigeria is an animal kingdom...the country is a joke! anyone can accuse you of stealing on the street and you could get lynched on the spot! there's no need for evidence or statement - what a country! we should change the name of the country from nigeria to jabez!!!!

Ronaldo Is The Best In The Universe - Mourinho

José Mourinho has said it would be "a crime" if Cristiano Ronaldo lost out to Lionel Messi for the 2012 Ballon d'Or. The Real Madrid coach hit back at remarks made his Barcelona counterpart, Tito Vilanova, last weekend that Messi, who has won the award for the past three years, was "the best in the world by a long way".

"When someone with the same responsibility as me comes out and says: 'Mine is the best on the planet' then I have to say: 'Mine was not born in Madeira, he was born on Mars; he is not from planet Earth, he is the best in the universe'," Mourinho told the Portuguese daily A Bola in an interview. "If Messi is the best on the planet, Ronaldo is the best in the universe."

Ronaldo won the award in 2008 and Mourinho said it was time to recognise him again: "If you are going to give out the Ballon d'Or because a player is the best, give it to Cristiano or Messi. But I ask: if the two are on the same level, is it normal that one wins four and the other one? It is not."

In Sunday's 2-2 La Liga draw at the Camp Nou, Ronaldo became the first player to score in six consecutive Clásicos with his ninth and 10th strikes on his 16th appearance against Barça. Mourinho said a player needed to win big titles to deserve the Ballon d'Or. "How can you win the Ballon d'Or without collecting titles, without winning anything important? Don't come to me telling me about the Intercontinental Cup or the Super Cup, this is small stuff. Tell me about fat titles," the Portuguese said.

Mourinho also said Ronaldo had had a tougher career than Messi: "It is harder to be Cristiano than Messi. Messi grew up in the team where he plays, with the players with whom he plays. Not Cristiano. He was in England, then they put him here in a losing team. He had to grow over the last two years with this team which has been forming.
"One [Messi] plays as a No9 and roams around in those 50 square metres where the distance to goal is smaller and defence less intense. The other [Ronaldo] plays as a winger. How does a winger score as many goals as a No9? Besides, Ronaldo is a player who is not protected by anyone."

mourinho just spoke what i have been saying for eons.....ronaldo is the better player!

Jarus: fron the very first post on this thread I have stated that the debate hold last weekend of every month. That's still 2 weeks away. All these are just planning. No debate until 29-30th.

can we have a taster? a mini-debate between ekt-bear and musiwa......let them argue for/against rotational presidency!

naturalwaves: So, who are the other recruits in Africa? Is D'banj the only one?

so you mean to tell me you believe in that crap about d'banj being the most famous nigerian? okocha is far famous than d'banj! why is okocha not recruited? illuminati do not need the likes of jay-z or d'banj, they are interested in staging coup d'etats, putting puppet dictators in power and then control the policies of those countries! why would they bother about jay-z/dbanj? are they looking for more members? members of a cult group as powerful as the illuminati will not throw gang signs up deliberately like jigga/kanye do! it's a secret cult not an open cult!

olawalebabs: I have out-grown e-war, lets do it offline (or better still off nl), there i'll be ready for you.

meet me @ waterloo station then, if i don't put you to sleep within 15 mins, my name is not coogar! my role as a judge is to assess and grade the submissions of the contestants, it does not make me a pastor - so don't think you can score cheap brownie points here without getting your comeuppance!

olawalebabs: @mod, As an independent observer, i hereby second the move for the removal of coogar as a judge due to his lack of maturity as exemplify from his post above.

you never jam!
as a judge, i would destroy you
as an ordinary member, i would demolish you
as a mod, i would devour you.........

if you think my being a judge would stop me from retaliating cheap attacks from your ilk, then you have mistaken me for some of the wimps here. i don't look for trouble but i preserve it - so i would reply any of your verbal attacks in double measure, pressed down and violently shaken together! if that makes me immature, then take a hike!!!

naturalwaves: Is that all? Influence d mind through music and some other things right? Does one join by making one's intention to do known to them or they come after anyone that suits them? If d latter is d case, Y are they not recruiting footballers like CRon, Mersi etc. If I may ask, are there Africans in d Illuminati? If yes, mention them or some of them. Or, is D'banj d first recruit 4rm Africa? lol. Pls sir, kindly provide answers to all these question one after d other as simply as U can. Over to U!

stop wasting your time - i can write everything obadiah knows about "the illuminati" on a grain of rice

naturalwaves: Dbanj is a modest spender, very prudent. He knows what he's doing as he doesn't even spend to impress anyone. After he came back 4rm UK, he used that his famous convertible for years before Don Jazzy gave him a BMW 5/6 series as a show of appreciation for d success recorded by both. Those who work hard 4 money don't spend it anyhow. The dude is very very wise and intelligent.

i'll give him that!
he's very intelligent - he knew where he was going! the decision to move to nigeria after cleaning out in the uk is a brave decision and i'll always applaud him for that! not too many nigerians would have done what he did - he had loads of money to toy with as at 2004/5........he didn't have to work again to live comfortably but he refused to rest his laurels! the people attaching him to illuminati don't know how d'banj suffered in the uk -most of them are ignorant!

onatisi: so u dont know that seun na illuminati?u dey offend me ooo.even pasuma and saheed osupa and obesere na illuminatii,u no see their chain.

even tonto dikeh is a member of illuminati! her "poko" slang trended on twitter throughout last week. don't forget jide kosoko and olu jacobs too(they are all members of the group) the day illuminati starts recruiting africans would be the death of them - why exactly do they need d'banj to influence africans? they already control the foreign aid in africa - they have already installed several puppet dictators in africa! cheiiii, i tire for obadiah!

Shaw007: disclaimer-I'm not saying D'banj is part of the ILLuminati,NO!! Infact i think that's one of the stories brought up by his numerous haters

duly noted!

But what i'm saying exactly is,he is not 2 small 2 be a member,we are talking abou one of the largest musicians in africa,like u correctly stated,D'banj can make as much impact In africa just like 2pac did in d Us,if anyone cud be a member it is D'banj. . .like i said,i don't bliv he's a member,cos where was Illuminati when d'bank was a garderner 4 him 2 now submit himself 2 some cult after his hard earned success

for now, d'banj is a microcosm of what an illuminati member should be. he's not even a nigga, he's a bloody african! hell naw.......d'banj is still evolving, he is not ready yet!

Now,lemme ask u this question. . .can you have an army of generals and field marshalls alone?? No,u need the soldiers the pilots,mercenary 2 do ur dirty job,that just how the Illuminati is. . .they have heads and tails. . .2pac,micheal jackson,even whitney houston and bob marley have been alleged 2 be killed by this group why?? They couldn't take being given orders and being pushed around. .. These ppl stood 2 fight them and Got killed for it. . .jay-z and co are satisfied with being floor rats. . .this is a group of organisation,and they need people with contact 2 d comman man 2 control their minds,2 "set a new world order"

the foot soldiers are not members - they are hired hands! an example is the mafioso guys. the decision to assassinate might come from the top but the people that would carry out the task are just hired hands so that even if they are caught, they know nothing about the group they work for!

obadiah777: got smashed ? not only are you hormonal but also delusional. LMAO

someone should buy this epileptic human some maxipads, you have left another bloodstain on your seat!

obadiah777: geeez is he your g-ay partner ? the way you are carrying on about the guy i am sure even his family members dont salivate over him like you are. are you ga-y if you dont mind me asking ?

after you got smashed in the argument, you have now resorted to ad hominem sniping, shame on you!!! my effort is to correct your public misinformation and if it irks you so bad then you should get a long rope and a strong beam to tie it to, you homoerotic nuisance!!!

naturalwaves: @Obadiah777. U said D'banj has all d criteria 4 entering into the Illuminati. Can U pls, tell us all the criteria 4 entry?

- dress sense
-constant use of "oooooooooo se" "lembete" "labata"
-d'banj's cartier sunglasses
and other bullshit fabricated from obadiah's smelly rectum!

obadiah's idiocy in megawatts would solve all the electricity problems in africa! that negro was born daft........

naturalwaves: Exactly! If I may ask.... Is it a Nigerian mentality to label anything(especially success) that's beyond their comprehension as being gotten through devilsh/fetish means? If that's d case,then, such people need serious deliverance or a brain transplant. When Drogba was d main man 4 Chelsea in his 1st 3 seasons,with his trademark chest,turn and shoot technique e.t.c, they said he was using juju. Are pple that daft? When someone's working hard, they won't be there. When d Person makes it, they begin to spew trash 4rm their bacterial infested mouths. What nonsense!

do you blame them? look at the quality of the graduates they churn out year in year out....bunch of lazy thinkers! d'banj made money in the uk and instead of spending it on bentleys, jeeps and benz, he took his money to naija and added it to his little singing talent spiced with some entertaining swagger. the outcome = success!

he's bound to be successful! while in the uk, he managed to complete the basics - his british passport, connections and his cash means he didn't have to depend on anyone to forge ahead unlike 2face whose 80% of his wealth went directly to the coffers of kennis music!

d'banj's growth was rapid because he was massively independent! no juju, no witchery, no illuminati!

Shaw007: @coogar and obadiah,u guys didnt really need 2 take it 2 dat level,u could have had lively educating arguments,seriously all that is unnecessary

he started the name calling, i did not. if you are going to start the ruckus, at least bring your intellect and facts to the table, not fake gists fabricated in dinghy beer parlours!

@coogar,i agree with what u posted 2 a certain extent,D Illuminati did cause all what u stated,But what u do not know is that have differenet levels of organisation,They have ranks and levels,Just like d army with the musicians(kanye,jay-z and d rest) acting as foot soldiers,actors too to control d subconcious mind of people, , , ,and you also have The leaders,d big Guns,doing the management and the real work

the funniest thing is the kanye/jay-z don't even have the massive influence in the hip-hop industry. eminem has sold more records! the people you would expect to be in this kind of group would be quiet and powerful behind the curtains. the lifestyle of jay-z and kanye is too loud to belong to this group of elite class! a self-confessed illuminati(can't remember his name now) once said there are only 6000 members of them in the whole world - majority are jews/americans/europeans! where does d'banj fit in?

there are 33 ranks/positions. . .u have your musicians,actors,even doctors at d lowest level,that is how it works

hollywood, maybe! music industry - hell no! illuminati murdered 2pac - they have no time for loudmouths like jay-z and kanye! it's a covert group of people who influence our daily lives indirectly! they are mostly concerned about the economic and political issues of the world - not the way people dress(that's just too low)! if you have seen the movie 2012 when some people were specially chosen to get the tickets on a supership that would withstand doomsday - these special people are the calibre of men the illuminati would recruit not a no-mark nigerian artiste like d'banj!

obadiah777: dont mind coogar. that brah doesnt know nothing LOL. he thinks everyone in the illuminati is on the same level.

they are on the same level! lets even assume they are not for argument's sake - d'banj is still insignificant to fit in! applaud the boy's hardwork virtue and stop peddling yeye rumours that he belongs to a secret cult! if you win euromillion lottery next week, people would say the same about you too that you murdered your ex girlfriend to become rich! intellectuals don't reason with simple minds - obadiah777, you are simple-minded!

naturalwaves: Very funny! Well said. D'banj was just born to make it even when he sings unseriously by saying things like HMM,LEBETE,LABATA, FILE e.t.c in his songs, the songs still make hits. Right now, Kanye and co are part of d hottest Hip hop group in d world and having a Nigerian(Dbanj) sign 4 their record label(G.O.O.D) is a bitter pill that's too monumental 4 haters to swallow hence, the reason 4 d unnecessary hatred.

exactly....
the boy might be deemed lucky in parts to acquire the money to start his own record label and team up with don jazzy. every other thing from then on is his pure hardwork! nigerians always have something to say about successful people! if its not jazz, it's rituals or wait for it........illuminati! only a complete twit would believe d'banj is a member of the illuminati! he's too small, too irrelevant and too insignificant to be considered as a member
illuminati operates on the highest spectrum possible - they are busy politicking on who would be the next american president - not the frivolities of kanye west or d'banj's dress sense!

Odinaka00: Dbanj is too little Ť☺ βξ a member of illuminati? Little as in hw bro?

too little, too irrelevant, too insignificant
illuminati is the most powerful secret cult in the world - they rule/control every major issue in the world. world leaders, members of the vatican, powerful businessmen, etc are the people normally linked to the group not an aspiring nigerian musician.....illuminati is not confraternity where every tom, dïck and harry can join.......

ogugua88: I prefer Jarus' criteria to Coogar's. I think style fits in with presentation. As for wit, it would be great to have some wit in the arguments, but I don't think it should be part of the criteria.

it should be part of it - i don't want to read long boring epistles without wittery - it should be an enjoyable read not some plant science textbook!

only fools hate d'banj - his story to success should be inspirational to all nigerian hustlers out there. i remember seeing d'banj @ nottinghill carnival in 2004 looking young and broke as fück - the story is different today! the gist about illuminati is also untrue....illuminati my ärse! they just don't give their membership to any cat on the street! d'banj is too little to be a member of the illuminati - illuminati is not eiye confraternity or where every tool, simpleton and dolt can join!

Jarus: JUDGING CRITERIA

1, Presentation(opening, flow, closing) - 4 marks
2, Logic of arguments - 4 marks
3, Strenght of facts & examples - 4 marks
4, Grammar - 4 marks
5, Demonstration of knowledge/understanding of the subject - 4 marks

Is this ok? Or can we jointly tinker with it?

-presentation
-persuasiveness
-wit
-logic
-style

talina: Jarus dear, I said that I was not up to it...not that I couldnt
Thanks again for asking

talina, why??

Ibime: Hey man, nobody is getting paid for this debate.

In school my econs lecturer was right leaning whilst I was left leanimg yet I never scored less than 70% in any of his assignments.

Also last time I participated in a debate at school I had to argue in favour of ibb's policies yet I brought the trophy home for my house.

In summary, regardless of your political leanings, you win a debate by building an argument based on facts and your use of the english language.

that's the real mccoy!

counting my ammo for the biggest debate the forum has ever witnessed.....officer jarus, where are the contestants?

[quote author=tpia@]The cam recording was obviously premeditated and for a purpose, while the phone recordings were chance.

The man got up close to each of the boys as they were being beaten, and did not in any way indicate discomfort with what was going on.

Clearly, he was one of the killers and working in tandem with them.

How do you grab an actual camera to record this type of thing if you didnt plan to do something with it?

He was most likely filming for his sponsors who needed to see evidence the boys were physically tortured and killed.[/quote]it seems you are forgetting the boys were brutally tortured for several hours before they got burnt - anyone could get a return flight to lagos from aluu village in that period! simply put, they(mobile cam and camcorder) all had enough time on their hands to get their gadgets out and capture the incident!

[quote author=tpia@]the video making the rounds wasnt from the animal with the recorder.

Its from a phone.
dont know if you're being sarcastic but your joke is in extremely bad taste.[/quote]either way, those videos are now strong evidence against aluu village. you cannot excuse the mobile phone recording and criticise the cam recording.

[quote author=tpia@]and the animal with the recorder. . . . . stood right right there through the whole thing. . . . . . busily recording. . . . . . .

smh.
his own turn will come some day.[/quote]without the "animal" recording, how would we have known such atrocity took place in aluu? the "animal" with the recorder should be rewarded by the presidency for his bravery!

PointB: And who are these majority? Or are now into making claims that cannot be substantiated. You noted you wanted judges acceptable to all. Now it is has been established that Coogar was an over-sight.

Rather than drop him, you are now saying that is doesn't matter whether judges are neutral or not. Why use such duality to ruin a process, rather than saving the process by dropping one man who integrity, neutrality, and maturity is called to question. Why is so difficult for u to play by your own rules. Do you have special interest in coogar?

your problem is strange, you think because many of us don't come here often to contribute to political issues makes us neophytes - you are part of the reasons many intellectuals don't come here - the bigotry here is well known and it's a turn off. no thanks to tools like you and your posse of zombies!

tolugar: i just got an ipod classic... pls house how can i off it.
i dey pity the ipod

press the play/pause button for 2-5 secs and it should go off!