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dayokanu:
This is what Torres fails to do. The action takes split seconds, Nani is moving with the ball, Hernandez is already moving into position, Thats what makes the move work. Its an art that Hernandez, Inzaghi and Ruud have mastered that makes it look easy and people say they only score tap ins. Getting into those tap in situation is a "skill" in itself

except that torres was doing the same thing for fun at liverpool.
if i post his goals @ liverpool here, you would suddenly feel ashamed of what you have written above.
are you saying torres has lost the ability to make off-the-ball movements and get into position to score? did you ever see torres for liverpool tearing chelsea a new one? not this chelsea with weak defence - the old chelsea with the strongest defence in england.

At Bayern I have seen Gomez do this, LucaToni, Makaay etc but watching Torres doesnt do these things

discuss torres goal against de gea.

Then that means that striker doesnt have the poachers instinct. I believe after watching Hernandez several times the moment he passes the ball, he is already making the run into the box. If Hernandez were to be the one who made that pass to Cole, He would have already started moving into the box even if Lampard scores the goal.

hernandez wouldn't be in the position torres was when he received the pass from lampard.
watch the move again.

Lemme ask how goals do Man Utd score and Hernandez is outside the box? Even if he isnt the scorer

he's an out n out scorer - not a false 9(like torres often does at chelsea).
hernandez has rooney/berbatov to hold the ball and spread the play.  torres doesn't have such @ chelsea.

if he operates like hernandez waiting for the final ball that never comes, he gets blamed for being lazy, lethargic and not effecting the play.
if he rolls his sleeves and plays deep like rooney does, he would be blamed for not having a striker's instinct.

this is playing out like berbatov's criticism in 08/09 and 09/10.
after 2 seasons, fergie built the team around berbatov for half a season and he got 20 league goals.

If the fault is with Chelsea midfielders how come with Xavi, Iniesta etc the result is still the same?

cos the team isn't built around torres @ spain.

BlueDiva:
Why is he shyte for Spain?
What better midfielders than that of Spain.

they don't play to his strengths. . .
team isn't build around him and blah blah blah.

when he had fabregas behind him in euro 2008(when villa got crocked), he ripped teams apart.
he was in the team of the tournament of that same competition after tearing phillip lahm a new butthole in the final.

am i supposed to believe the same torres of that era is really shyte? he's not 37 for us to think he's now too old to function.
how do you plead, missus bluediva?

BlueDiva:
Hope what they say of nateevs isn't true?
I have regards for you, don't spoil it with these silly responses.

1. You say we rely on people like Ramires and DD and yet expect good performance.
I'm telling you that even though DD was once the most feared, we are still forced to use him because FT is a failure. Is that rocket science?

2. You want new players in Jan, for what? To improve performance ( in other words, to fix the mess).

In the same sentence you blab about how Arsenal and co rely on youth bla bla.
How many times have SAF and AW entered the market in Jan?

A team with Mata, DS, FT, Terry, Lamps, Ashley isn't a bad team.
90% of EPL squad will die to have such a team. We need someone to manage the team and not new players.

I don't understand the rest of your yarns.

bluediva, stop following the crowd for once and think.
why's torres fearsome for liverpool and he's appeared shyte at chelsea?

why did berbatov appear shyte for united in his first 2 seasons but he was golden last season?
do you know what it means when you build a team around a star player? do you?

[quote author=Mr_TA link=topic=810639.msg9882607#msg9882607 date=1325536060]https://i1111.photobucket.com/albums/h477/intermania71/arsen.gif

[/quote]i have always known arsene to be a slowpoke.
you mean he didn't know the pocket he was trying to shove his hand was zipped?

[quote author=dipo+ link=topic=810639.msg9882416#msg9882416 date=1325534077]Totts have been FAR better and as much as I hate it, I honestly think they deserve to finish ahead of us. They seem to have gotten over the inability to bury games and that is our Achilles heel.  Plus they dont have to parade imbeccyls like Djouru and Squillachi

Ramshit should be playing with my balls  [/quote]i don't really agree with tottenham have been better. . . .
this was the 4th game in about 10 games with arsene fielding almost the same squad in all the matches.

arsenal were good for the first 30 mins or so but fatigue played a big role in the 2nd half.
the f-a should stop this nonsense festive fixtures. other teams in europe are resting and scheming how to outwit english clubs in champions league.

english clubs are there killing themselves in bloody slug-fest to fight for points.

dayokanu:
This is because Inzaghi, Chicharito, Ruud are smart enough to anticipate runs that put them in the situation you described

you miss the point massively.
the above strikers anticipate runs to put them in the situation and the precise passes come early as well.

Do you think aside Adebayor, These are the strikers mostly caught offside?, thats because they always anticipate moves

adebayor drifts offside because the passes either come a second late or he mistimes it himself.
at least, the passes often come early for him too. i have seen adebayor so many times put one on one with goalkeepers.

But Torres wont even be in positions to receive passes because he is somewhere else keeping shape.

says who?
torres has been at chelsea for a year. . . . .can you show me any time he's been put one on one with the goalkeeper with him fluffing his lines?
the only one i can recall was the game against united and he finished excellently. he missed the other chance after rounding de gea.
since then, such passes never materialized again.

When midfielders play into the box, you would expect the strikers to be in the box to pounce.

it depends where the said striker is when the move started.
if the striker is involved too deep, you cannot then expect him to initiate moves from deep and expect him to finish off again.

Let me use this Lampard goal as an example, The Ruud, Inzaghi, Chicharito would be in the box even if they are not the scorer, But our Torres is somewhere else.

torres was the 2nd player to receive the ball, lampard was the first player with the ball.
before torres released the ball to cashley, lampard was already @ the edge of the box. torres was too close to cashley on the edge of the box to have received the cross because cashley played a first-time cross.

How many times Torres got one on one situation? How would he get them when he doesnt even anticipate these moves? and the few ones he got what did he do with them?

watch man utd vs chelsea @ old trafford and compare to chelsea's other games since then.
why do people have eyes and not watch football games?

Andre Uweh:
Super Frankie is not finished yet. Chelsea have missed him a lot. If not for Lampard, Chelsea would have drawn this match today against lowly Wolves.
It's true.

if it wasn't for ronaldo, united wouldn't have won a league title. man utd have missed him a lot.

dayokanu:
They realised Drogba was getting old, got Torres to replace him and Sturidge to replace Anelka. DS replaced Anelka and that gave them the confidence to sell Anelka but Torres failed to replace Drogba effectively thereby boxing the coach and the whole team into a box of having to revert to the Old and rickety Drogba

Its the fault of the new striker Torres who failed to perform.

they got torres to replace drogba but they have failed to build the team around torres. true or false?

torres and drogba are not the same kind of strikers. drogba is a bully - whether the pass arrives early or late, his physicality enables him to sodomize the senderoses or the vermaelens of this world - torres isn't built like that - the passes must be early enough to quickly isolate him with the last man so that he's often put through one v one with goalkeepers. dayokanu, how many times has torres got a one v one situation since he joined chelsea.

let's compare him to hernandez in the same period. hernandez thrives in united because he receives those passes early enough to put him one v one.
had chicharito joined chelsea, do you think he would have earned a name in the english league with the slow-paced chelsea team?
think about this - would inzaghi, ruud, chicharito and most strikers who often sit on the shoulder of the last defender work @ chelsea?

dayokanu:
Chelsea 1 Villa 3 Mata played 90 mins Lamps was a 60th min sub

4-3-3.
drogba flanked by mata and sturridge.
meireles(lm), romeu(cm), ramirez(rm)

Chelsea 1 Tottenham 1 Lampard didnt play a single minute Mata played 90 min

4-3-3.
drogba flanked by mata and sturridge again.

Chelsea 2 man City 1 Mata Played 84 mins, Lampard came in 75min

4-3-3.
drogba flanked by sturridge and mata for the umpteenth time.

however, the beauty of this is sturridge, ramirez and meireles can fit in other positions should matter decide to vacate his role.
with lampard, that is not achievable as lampard is a statue who can only play in the central positions.

is this the point arsenal fans would admit tottenham have been better than arsenal this season?

mukina2:
abeg abeg  . .here resemble spud thread? you miss road.

waka far oh

muki dey vex o. . . . .
muki-muki, don't you just love djourou?

buzugee:
but you know nigerian chicken is worth all £6. it is tough and chewy. british chicken is hormone filled soft nasty crap. so yall cant be mad at paying £6 for chewy tough chicken  

i am talking nigerian chicken with crazy-tough bones.

BlueDiva:
4 games in 10 days.
Everybody must drop points.

Arsenal receives their own shock today.

united should have won every match with a high margin until fergie brain-farted!

novaman:
Maybe when Seun start charging per post some people will think well before posting anything; imagine am over 30 I have never step inside a train in my life. I have never witnessed 24 hours of power in my whole life; we know the cost of chicken is about N1,500 (about 6 pounds) in Nigeria, yet in UK its just 2 pounds,.

The  (suspected GEJ apologist) don't have a car in UK where is claim to be living yet he is giving us the figure of the cost. IF GEJ give us 24 hrs power, good roads, good salaries minimum wage of N200,000, health care, reduced civil service and national assembly; he can go ahead to raise it to N500 if he likes.

3 for £5, bro!

dayokanu:
So who was playing in the middle when Lampard was benched in those games Chelsea drew?

Or was lampard disturbing Mata from the bench?

list those games and i would tell you who was operating in the middle.
the beauty of this is. . . .when lampard does not play, whoever plays in the middle can swap positions with mata. . . .lampard is useless anywhere else on the pitch apart from a central midfield role.

goallllllllllllllll

zamora scores the winner.

softelng:
@Poster your point  is noted but i leave you to ponder on something:

Check the transport sys in UK and compare to that in Nigeria. 75% of Nigeria economy is directly or indirectly related to PMS. If the level of Infrastructure in UK is on par with what we have in Nigeria who cares about the price of  petrol.

anyone comparing uk to nigeira as far as pms is concerned is a complete simpleton!
nigeria should be compared to libya. . .

dayokanu:
In the last 5-7 games how many of these games did Lampard start? yet they have had a terrible run

So how was lampard responsible for the inbalance?

Or was lampard who sits on the bench to blame again?

villas-boas should stop playing mata on the left wing!


chei. . . .sidwell scores.
senderos n sidwell(2 arsenal rejects) connived to deny arsenal 3 points

dayokanu:
Did you notice the contradiction in those 2 statements?

which contradictions? chelsea is unbalanced when they play mata and lampard in the same game.
it exposes their defence - ashley cole is beginning to cop the clichy syndrome(which also began since arsenal signed arshavin).

mata starts from the left hand side of the attack and he quickly vacates his position to join lampard in the middle.
the same kind of problem redknapp had with van der vaart at spurs last season. lampard should rest when mata is playing.

mata must play behind torres.

muami:
You argument would have made sense only that in the UK ( which the poster is comparing), oil also affects every individual regardless of their class and any increase in the international market affects everyone whether rich or poor. so whats your point?

but their minimum wage takes care of any effect the oil price increase might cause.
the dumb comparison should stop. how many nigerians use blackberry phones?

you are comparing oil consumption to the usage of gadgets?
fecking hell, you are a disgrace!

work the ratio of the minimum wage(monthly) in the uk to the price of fuel per litre and then compare it to that of nigeria.
with my calculations, a man on minimum wage in nigeria would have expended all his monthly income by buying just 60 litres of petrol.

just 60 litres.

dayokanu:
Like they did Today?

They played Mata behind Torres

Everyone supplied Torres with delightful chances yet ,

they did not. . . .torres was flanked by mata and ramirez.
lampard played directly behind torres.

do you need binoculars to read tactical formation?
matter of fact, playing mata on the left is the reason ashley cole is looking vulnerable this season. he gets no protection at all from mata who vacates his position often and join the action in the middle - thus leaving ashley cole exposed to attacks.

muami:
I think the poster is perfectly right in comparing the price of fuel in Nigeria with that of UK and the fact that standard of living or minimum wage in the UK is higher than Nigeria's does not diminish the argument. This is because fuel is an international product and the price is fixed internationally regardless of  the GDP or income of individual countries. Consequently, it makes economic sense to pay the international price for it, whether in Nigeria or UK.
Let me ask all those condemning the poster's argument. Can you go to an airline(both domestic and international) and ask them to reduce their prices in Nigeria simply because minimu wage in Nigeria is low? All of you that are using Blackberry phones, did you get it for a lower price than what it is sold for in the UK? What about your laptop? Did you buy it for less in Nigeria? I can go on and on but I see little need for it because I have observed that most of the arguments against the removal of the subsidy has been more sentimental than objective!

this is idiocy at it's sterling quality.

who travels on airplanes? elite? who uses laptops and blackberry phones? the elite.
my friend, all nigerians(rich, ugly and poor) would be affected by this subsidy removal of fuel. the ones who don't have cars would buy kerosene for their stoves or use public transport that heavily relies on fuel. some other ones must power their generating plants with this same fuel.

oil affects every individual in nigeria regardless of their class. . . . .you cannot say the same for air tickets, sony laptops or rim phones.
you should sue your teachers for mismanagement of your mental development.
what a troll!

BlueDiva:
I should analyze why the English record transfer player isn't performing and proffer solutions?  

Maybe we should bring in Xavi and Sergio for those 'killer passes'. Damn, he has those players in Spain and still isn't performing.

Ok, maybe we should instruct all our players not to score when the opportunity presents itself but rather wait for FT to arrive and position himself.

Maybe we should equally make him the highest paid player in England to ginger him or. . .

Just provide a nice broad to give him a good b*****b before every game.

play mata behind torres(simple)!

BlueDiva:
You will always find a point to suit you, right?.
When we quote bbc or any media you would call us media whores

it's not an opinion, it's a fact!

i criticize you guys as media whores when you glue to the opinion of the media instead of pursuing the facts.
so if bbc says blackburn wallop united by 3-2 and i quote it, then i am a media LovePeddler? really?

BlueDiva:
You think we are silly?
We know when to give credit.

Miereles goal against City was as a result of a brilliant effort from DS.
DS takes kudos here for all the hardwork. Torres' pass was a good pass, no big deal.

Let us also praise Jarvis for the chip that found Fletcher who found Ward who scored.  

a chip is not a killer-pass, bluediva.
you need brain-fuel!!!

bluediva, how are you holding up in nigeria with fuel going to 150 per litre.
we need you back in scotland. abeg, start packing your g-m-g bags.

BlueDiva:
LOL @ nateevs and coogar.
You guys are trying so hard to defend Torres.

Maybe he was a little lively today but he still hasn't won critics over.
I shouldn't even mention the passes Mata gave him which he did nothing with.

I think it's time to give Lukaku a try.
He probably wouldn't score just 5 goals in one calendar year.

what about the passes torres gave lampard and mata - which they both squandered!
bbc described the passes as astute and delightful. chicharito would score from both chances and torres would get 2 golden assists.

Thor:
I really find it most amusing of the people here who can throw abuse so easily are the very people if they are back in Nigeria that could use the very same energy to try and change the system in their favour and make the country better. These are the people that complain so much against the corruption and the regime on Nairaland, throw insults at other posters, BUT remain so impotent when it comes to doing something about the real cause of the problems.

That an earlier poster informed me that if I said said the same in the streets I would be lynched is laughable to say the least. In a country of 150 million + people that 200 people are demonstrating in Kano regarding price  increase in fuel  sums up the situation. As I said, unless you are willing to do something it is time to stop moaning and get on with life.


Nigeria never has a chance to move forward whilst people remain spineless with pointless childish abuse and are unwilling to target their anger at the people responsible  

We all know that Nigeria is a failed country and that every Nigerian is in someway responsible for the mess and chaos the country is in,  Nigeria has been independent for more than 50 years, surely that has been enough time to create some sort of stability in the land,  we can blame anybody we want, the British, the EU, the USA, but it is the Nigerian that have ruined the country and continue to do so, seems that there are no Nigerians willing to change the status quo and put the country on the right track.

The increase in fuel is the smallest of the problems Nigeria faces,  Bread and Circus  

you are very dumb comparing the prices of fuel in the uk to nigeria.
even if the price per litre in the uk is 500 naira - it's still affordable to the poorest man in the uk. . . .who makes around 250,000 naira equivalent a month.
i don't think nigerians would complain if the minimum wage is 250,000 a month. the minimum wage in nigeria is 18,000 naira.

thor, apologize to nigerians for your idiocy and all shall be forgiven!

BlueDiva:
This is becoming embarrassing?
People praising a 50mil player for a cross, not a goal, not even an assist? An out and out striker for that matter.

i praised berbatov for his first 2 seasons at man utd before he won the golden boot!
there are other contributions apart from scoring and assisting. it's about time you stop analyzing like drunk naija people.

a scenario. . .

a defender passes the ball to his goalkeeper. . . . .tevez puts pressure on the goalie. goalkeeper was pressured and miskick the ball to david silva.
silva passes the ball to dzeko and dzeko scores into an empty net.

in your eyes, tevez has contributed nothing?
without putting pressure on the keeper or chasing a lost cause, would the goal materialize?

how often do you see goalkeepers passing straight to an opponent at the edge of the box?

nateevs:
Did you watch the first half at all?
Did you see Torres' two passes. One to set Lamps in front of goal and he scuffs it and the other to Mata in front of goal and he hits it at the goalie?

Why then should Torres be criticised for a mistake that others have made? That's where I do not get the premise of your criticism.

dayo does not watch english football.
all he wants to see are goal-scorers. . . .as long as a player doesn't score - that player performed badly.

in dayokanu's eyes, maradona performed woefully against germany in mexico 86.
afterall, maradona did not score.

BlueDiva:
He managed to pass to Cole and he is a hero.

What if Cole had produced a poor cross or Lamps mishit the cross.
Kudos to Cole for the assist and to lamps for the goal. No accolades here for Torres, sorry!.

Let's be objective, you don't always have to argue upside down to drive home your point.

i wouldn't argue with you as you have never played football in your 40 yrs on the planet.

i have played footie and i know the difficulty surrounding the pass torres made to find cole on the left channel.
that pass alone cut 4 defenders out of the game. . . .the pass obliterated the offside trap wolves were trying to set. . . .

whatever cole did with the ball and what lampard did with the delivery is immaterial.
jeeez, how do i explain to bluediva what a killer-pass means?

it's like explaining to a kitten what einstein's calculus mean
bluediva, there are other tangibles apart from assist and goals. . . . .you have a keypass and a killer pass.

bbc report:

The much-maligned Fernando Torres, back in the side because of injuries to Daniel Sturridge and Didier Drogba, flourished early on and almost teed up goals for both Juan Mata and Lampard.

Wolves goalkeeper Wayne Hennessey did brilliantly to race out and block Mata's strike after a delightful first-time Torres pass and defender Richard Stearman then did enough to put off Lampard with the midfield poised to shoot home following[b] another astute[/b] Torres through-ball.

dayokanu, can you read?

dayokanu:
How did lampard get all alone when a few seconds earlier he was outside the box? I guess it musta have been some spirited running from him and basic instincts which isolated him to score that tap in

common sense should have told you he started running into the box as soon as he fed torres the pass.
lampard - torres - ashley - lampard.
enough seconds had elapsed for lampard to get into the box. . . .torres didn't have that time.

lampard had more time to get in the box that torres who fed ashley cole. . . .ashley cole crossed the ball the moment he released it.
there's no way torres could have received the same pass seeing that he was the last person to touch the ball before ashley.
use your common sense!

BlueDiva:
Ain't you drinking champagne for Torres who passed to Cole who gave Lamps an assist.
You're praising the pass of a man who passed to the man who scored.  

Why don't we go further and praise Lamps who passed to Torres before he passed to Cole.

What really is AVB up to?
We ain't playing 'sexy footie', we ain't playing defensive footie, we're just running round the pitch clueless.

that's the way a lame man with half-a-brain would see it. . . . .
but an astute observer would know torres' pass got the goal. ashley cole just needed to cross(without pressure), lampard must score cos he was all alone to tap into an empty net.

it was torres pass that took 4 defenders out of the game.

dayokanu:
Its Wolves you should be beating them?

Considering that you havent won in how many games now vs various opposition

Lampard made a lot of contribution in the game and did a lot of running

The pass to Torres which he touched 5 times before he lost it was from Lampard hope you know?


[size=5pt]I am interested in Chelsea doing well mainly so that Arsenal wont make top 4[/size]

what about the killer-pass torres fed lampard and lampard was too slow to get there and wolves goalie just scooped the ball up.
i have to say this is one of the best performances of nando torres in a chelsea shirt. he did not hide throughout. he was coming deep to effect the play and he held the ball well for the runners to get a bite. . . .

dayokanu, you cannot fault torres today.
lampard scored a tap-in in a move initiated by torres.

dayokanu:
Easiest of tap in? For Lampard to pass to Torres and still get into position all within a few seconds

Meanwhile what was the shape keeper doing missing all the chances being served?

if you think tapping into an empty net is more difficult that the killer pass from torres to take out 4 wolves defenders then you are a simpleton!
you know nothing about football. watch the pass again. it's not a key pass - it's a killer pass.
the kind of passes that renders defenders useless. no wolves player complained about the goal. . . . .they couldn't fault one another.

nateevs:
This is like cherry-picking his mistakes.
Are you expecting him to get everything right?



Goaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaallllllllllllllllllll

did you see the killer pass torres provided to free ashley cole on the left channel?
it's the most important and the most difficult move of the passes that led to the 2nd goal.

the pass was such a beauty, cole was able to cross without pressure and lampard had the easiest task of tapping into an empty net.