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When did the deists, agnostics, pantheists, and New-Age spiritualists start hating on atheists too?

We just can't catch a break these days.

jonbellion:
Err mr BlueAgent there are some things I agree with you on with the point of some atheists believing in blind chance. This is re.tarded to an extent. The problem with atheists is that they only look at God in the view of religion that is why you hear such absurd things.

Two things, first, you at assuming that nothing was the default position of existence, there could always have been 'something' existing through to the beginning of time.

Secondly, even if there was nothing at any point, the God hypothesis is an unnecessary one. This is because there is an intrinsic quality that God must possess that is possible without a universe existing, that is: consciousness.

Not here to argue, I just want you to understand my stance on the matter.

adepeter26:
Lol
This is the third plot you're booking o-o

Remember, he's hoping to be a landlord.

jonbellion:
ooh His thread sounded like he was having nihilistic thoughts so i simply said Take a chill pill man

Damn, I realized my mistake after posting and tried to modify, but then you'd already replied.

Sorry about that. My bad.

jonbellion:
Why are atheists becoming nihilists man
As an agnostic I enjoy my experience of life
That's why agnosticism is cool
You don't have to make everyone to agree too your worldview of a purposeless life like the militant atheists
I would advise you to stop spending hours upon hours on debating religious people online and trying to show them why atheism is the new cool or in thing.
There are more things in life to bother about man
If I tell anyone about my views on religion and they feel any type of way and start getting all preachy and judgemental then that's their own business man. I couldn't give two bleeps about what they think . You would find people that don't care and people that change their opinion towards you when they see your behaviour. Learn that variety is the spice of life and that meeting people with a different outlook on life is great and would serve as a way of understanding and accepting different world views. Everyone can't and will not be the same. Even if anyone should change their worldview on life from interacting with you ss an unbeliever it will be done at their own pace and decided by them not you. Then you'll see that spending hours on end to debate religious people is pointless. Completely pointless.
Why would you when care about what religious people believe if everything is purposeless
Just take things easy man
take your time and enjoy the ride of life while it lasts

Always a good idea to step away from the debating scene once in a while to regain your sanity.

sonofluc1fer:
That's why I like Catholic priests. They gather the starving kids and feed them dick.. God be praised.

Then the cardinals hide the evidence from the police and transfer the child rapists elsewhere.

hopefulLandlord:
what the fork!!!!!!!!

I know right? Why did that turn people on? Why can't they just consume their BDSM vampire loli hentai like normal people? Why can't onee-san be enough for us? Sickos!!

jonbellion:
Christians make threads on tagging premarital sex and masturbation demonic and filthy and nobody bats an eye
Irreligious person posts a thread on why it's not a problem and everyone looses their mind!

I doubt addressing it head-on (pun intended) would rub Christians the right way (pun intended). I do feel though, that a long and hard (I'm on fire today) lecture on the dangers of sexual repression may get a better response. I apologise if you feel like I gave your opinions the shaft (woo!). You came here () with the right intentions but the execution isn't something I can stand firmly (*wink*) to support.

hopefulLandlord:
Religion Section??

Dude is just being a jerk (pun intended).

jonbellion:
what is 2 girls 1,cup?

Just this video that was popular a couple of years back where two na.ked girls sh!t in a cup and start eating it. In other words, art.

These niggas glamourizing jerking off like it's the 8th wonder of the world are cracking me up.

Like, jerk it to 2 girls, 1 cup if you want but do you really think people in this section want to know how much you like to play with your own Instruments?

Joshthefirst:
lol. Thanks for the upvote analice.

Yeah, stop stealing my goodwill. Or you'll become joshthefirstandlast.

jonbellion:
lol
No I just say it's improbable. Were can't know at the moment so it's pointless to be disnissive about the idea of God entirely. Note that I'm not talking about religous gods in any way
Those ones are still scam

So, let me get this straight. Do you think that the probabilities of God existing and not existing are equal?

ModusOperandi:
How then can he have an open mind. How can you be an atheist and not be sure. Don't make sense to me

There are different kinds of atheism and theism. Gnostic theism, agnostic theism, gnostic atheism and agnostic atheism. To be gnostic means to be 100% sure while to be agnostic means to be less than 100% sure. Most atheists are agnostic. So it is very possible for an atheist to be open-minded.

ModusOperandi:
Isn't this contradictory. You're an atheist but you believe there might be God?

How? Atheism is simply a lack of belief in the existence of God. Most atheists that are on this forum don't believe 100% that God doesn't exist.

freakthingz:
What do you want me to fight atheist jihad or go on crusade to convert niggas to atheists

You're annoying bro

There is internet, the truth is there if they want it let them find it haba

Nobody sat me down and told me anything as young as 15 I knew I wanted to believe the "TRUTH" not some wack stories from millennia ago

So pls stop with the b.s

I don't care what you do. Just don't talk sh!t about people who are doing what you can't.

I also don't like it when people smugly imply that atheists should shut up because people can't handle the truth. That's elitist as hell, you're not as smart as you think you are, bro.

freakthingz:
Let people enjoy things

It's not by force

I'm in my atheist lane minding my business and enjoying life

They have made their choice let them enjoy and stay in their own lane

Isn't it a little arrogant to assume only yourself and a group 'enlightened folks' are capable of handling the truth?

KingEbukaNaija:
I gave you names of people who did so . They are highly respected by atheists . Follow their footsteps and provide your own reasons . I'm waiting

You are not arguing with them. You are arguing with me. Why is it so hard for you to discuss honestly?

KingEbukaNaija:
Evasive tactics . Please can you provide reasons or evidence to why you believe God does not exist . Let's scrutinize them . Stephen Hawking's IQ could be double of yours and he gave his reasons why he believes there is no God . Richard Dawkins has his own reasons . All their reasons have been criticized and thrown into the trash can where they belong .

Please provide yours and stop wasting our time .

I've given you my stance on this matter. You think otherwise, show me - with this easy example - how it can be done.

You accuse me of using evasion tactics when you clearly evaded my first question. Kind of seems like a ploy to evade this one. I don't think it's possible to prove a non-existence, while you do, so why can't you do it?

KingEbukaNaija:
I also lack the belief in the non existence of God due to absence of evidence .

This is a blatant repulsive abuse of logical thinking , an appeal to ignorance .

If you feel that it is, then prove the non-existence of Superman.

KingEbukasBlog:
You believe God does not exist , state your reasons . Or are you scared ? . I have never seen any meaningful reason given by an atheist anywhere in the world for rejecting God's existence . Open your thread and state your reasons and watch me criticize .

Stephen Hawking believes there is no God because the universe created itself because of the law of gravity . This is his reason

The rebuttal is simple : Something cannot itself , its logically absurd to even assert that something can create itself and laws do not create anything , there are merely descriptions of what happens under certain conditions .

See ? Easy to criticize . His story and "scientific explanations" were quickly rejected with just two simple logical statements .

Now bro , give me your reason like Stephen Hawking did .

I am a 6 on the Dawkins scale and have made it clear that I only lack belief in the existence of God due to the absence of evidence. I'm about as agnostic towards the existence of God as I am towards the existence of Superman. Still, it is not possible to prove a negative and if you feel that it is, why don't you show me how by proving that Superman doesn't exist?

PS: Stop using your alt account to like and share your posts.

KingEbukasBlog:
Enough of this merry go round . Atheism thriving on criticism . Its very easy to criticize and be skeptical . Give me your greatest proof of God's non existence . Tell me why you believe there is no God . Watch me to do the criticism . Please I beg you , post your greatest reason or proof .

I asked you a simple question and now you're getting all defensive. What is your greatest proof that Superman doesn't exist?

KingEbukasBlog:
And this is your evidence ? How shallow ! You are also making an argument against God's existence . This right there is an argument against God's existence .

Without arguments , logic and reason is dead . You are shamelessly irrational for making this statement

Ok man, let's discuss. What is the greatest proof of the existence of God?

Why did your mother hit you for not believing a story? Religious indoctrination is abuse.

onyenze123:
Atheism is not the best way to start. Panentheism/pantheism/deism is the best way to start. If atheism is "disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods" how can you carry out a meaningful research holding the above view?

Starting off an experiment with "God exists" is not being bias, it is called hypothesis. The field of quantum physics will sooner than later prove that God is an infinite consciousness and source energy, The first cause that caused the creation and unity.

The problem is that you're basing your hypothesis on something that is already a foregone conclusion in your own mind. Your thinking that quantum physics would prove that there is a universal consciousness and infinite source of energy gives that away. A purely scientific view would test whether or not a universal consciousness or infinite source of energy exists in the first place.

It is unscientific to build a hypothesis that is not open to modification. If your hypothesis is "God exists," until there is empirical evidence, you cannot conclude prove your hypothesis. If your defined method of experimentation does not find God, you have to conclude that your hypothesis is flawed and work to modify it.

Then they'll say that natural selection isn't true.

Cordis92:
I just wish he can come back after his death and tell us if there is life after death or not.

Provided he has not tasted death and he is saying this, it's still his observation not even close to a theory much more truth.

Nobody has ever done that before, making any version of an afterlife a baseless claim.

KingEbukasBlog:
Communist countries have no gods or religion yet they brainwash , control people and coerce them to do things against their will or else get tortured or face abhorrent death .

You are absolutely right about this. Religion is not the cause of all the world's problems, its eradication should not stop period from coming up with toxic ideologies. The reason religion is unique is due to its lack of reality checks.

Let's take a look at communism. Where - simply put - people are led to believe that everyone's life would be better if they let the government control everything, the obvious reality check would be to gauge the well-being of the average citizen. Slowly but surely people's support would be affected by the facts on ground. In fact, we can see that support for communism slowly waned over time leaving it mostly dead today.

Religion does not have that, that is why Muslims who lived 1000 years ago partook in religious wars with the promise of 72 virgins still have spiritual successors today who believe the same thing. Nobody can come back from the dead to tell us that there aren't actually 72 virgins waiting for us when we die. Meaning that some Muslims today will still fall for the same trick, which we see all the time these days.

Anyone who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.

hopefulLandlord:
okay

Dude, I think you just won.

hopefulLandlord:
how did this guy become atheist

This dude was a strong apologetic. If anything, his case clearly shows that we aren't wasting our time when we engage others on this forum.

Logic's not dead.

KingEbukasBlog:
I told you that its not clear when it started . Here's an article stating that it was from second century BC
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/indiahome/indianews/article-3215570/The-tradition-atheism-India-goes-2-000-years-m-proud-that.html

One thing is clear : The Charvaka boys made atheism popular because their atheism was rabid

First, I would rather pick the dating suggested by a scholarly source published by the University of Hawaii (one of the sources of that particular citation) than an opinion piece on Daily Mail.

The second point was never the concern of my argument. Debating that would only further detail the thread.

analice107:
Don't understand you pls.

The first part was just me poking fun at the comment that said masturbation for clinical reasons was wrong because it would involve the consumption of pornographic material, where the models would perform sexual acts.

The second one was a legitimate question to know the conditions under which it can be performed guiltlessly.