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johnydon22:
Don't bother brother she needs a spirity explanation

Oh... I'll step aside, then.

An2elect2:
Something similar has happened to me too. Almost died on my bed 4yrs ago, was partially awake when i got attacked by a force. It tried to draw my breath away, i struggled hard but no way. I was a gonner until i heard an unfamiliar, very gentle and low voice but yet audible enough. It called my name twice...the second time it called, i regained my freedom. I woke up fully panting for air..

When this happened, it was so real but sooner than i expected doubt cropped in and i was glad to dismiss it as mere hallucination. Itwas easier that way i thought.

Four months later i got born again. From that period till today, i experience several spiritual attacks with my eyes wide open.

Most likely sleep paralysis.

6. If folding rock is evidence of rapid deformation during the infancy period of a sedimentary structure, then doesn't that mean that the presence of fractures in other sedimentary features must indicate a time gap between the time of deposition and deformation? Doesn't that mean that all sandstone features with cracks must have been caused by very recent events?

Of course that is if we are to believe that all rocks possess the same properties as the ones found in the Grand Canyon, which is obviously untrue.

5. This is circumstantial evidence, the fact that some sedimentary areas show signs of more rapid erosion could more easily be attributed to their environments, or the properties of those rocks than a global flood. Because, what about the majority that do NOT show these characteristics? Should we ignore them?

Secondly, if there was great flood, then why are the strata so clearly defined? Aren't they supposed to be made up different sediments of all types and sizes that were squashed together in rapid succession?

3 and 4

The cross country movement of the sediments and the rapid deposition of sedimentary rock features by flood waters raises a big question: why aren't we seeing fossils of animals in places where they don't belong? For example, we should see penguin fossils in South America or Africa. But we don't see any evidence of that sort.

2. (Please refer to no. 1)

In addition, it would be a bit of a stretch to conclude that a huge population of nautiloids got buried since there are only a few visible fossils on the wall of the Grand Canyon.

1. Marine fossils above sea level can be attributed to tectonic activity causing uplifting of the sea floor.

If it was caused by a flood:
-Then the fossils would not be intact
-The fossils should be mixed up in each stratum with land animals
-The receding waters should wash the scattered bones down towards the valley

stainlex:
The atheist has his reasons for his stance. My own reason for not being an atheist lies solely on the fact that I don't find it rational (for now), just as I don't find theism rational. I'm of the opinion that neither side (theists and atheists) knows enough to come into an indisputable conclusion. This is my logomachy.

Something like this:

There are two extreme ends of a pole, on the extreme right we have Theism and on the extreme left, Gnostic Atheism. Right in the middle, we have Agnosticism, then between Agnosticism and Theism, we have Deism and between Agnosticism and Atheism, we have Agnostic atheism.

The Theist, is sure that God exists. The Gnostic Atheist is sure that God doesn't exist. The Agnostic, believes that it isn't possible to know whether God exists or not. The Deist believes in a First Cause God who doesn't influence the affairs of the world And finally, The Agnostic Atheist doesn't believe in God but doesn't rule out the possibility.

There are still other beliefs not covered here.

Geist:
Funny thing is those you feel are just about what you sited above feel exactly the same way about you.

I try to respect the person I'm debating against (unless the person disrespects me first, or engages in hateful and generally bad behaviour) because I realize that I could just as easily be sharing their opinions if my life experiences were even minutely different from what they were.

I also take debates as an opportunity to learn about the opposing side's perspective of a matter and weigh their convictions against mine. I like talking to intelligent and mature people, even when I do not agree with their ideas.

Or at least that's what I try to do. I probably slip up and act like a jerk sometimes, though. It's easy to build bias like that when you become disillusioned by some trends that occur when arguing with some certain groups of people. Not like that excuses any offensive behaviour that I may have exhibited.

Fadman4real:
You atheists see God as one of you and not a supreme being, he created the world so he can shape it how he feels like. It is just like me a programmer writes a code and in a particular instance makes 2+1 = 100. Is that impossible after all it is my code. God has done many miracles and simply because science can't explain it, then He doesn't exist. Think.

It's possible to say that absence of evidence isn't necessarily the same as evidence of absence. That's true, but absence of evidence also isn't evidence of presence. How can you prove that a god created everything? Right now, we don't have the technology to prove it. But we can say, quite conclusively that the Judeo-christian creation myth just doesn't hold up unless we deny empirical evidence. As a person of intellectual integrity, I won't do that.

Fadman4real:
I said not all animals, you and I do not know the ones that splitted and I think it was only micro evolution that happened not the bogus macro evolution that has no root except in fiction.

This is what I was saying, the implications of what you're saying is that somehow, between 2,000
and 50,000 kinds of animals became 6 million species in 4,000 years. Tell me, how is that demonstrably possible? Show me your evidence. If you can't do this, then don't argue against the prevailing theory.

Fadman4real:
I don't know much about continental drift, would read it up when am less busy. The question of the kangaroo is funny at best, the Bible clearly says that God blessed the animals and asked them to multiply and fill the earth. I cannot possibly go back in time to view how the kangaroos came to Australia from middle East. The same with evolutionarists, you are yet to create a simple life after understanding all the chemicals involved despite our technological advancements. But you want us to believe that we and apes are cousins/brothers when we are absolutely different in terms of intelligence and emotions.

So once again, you can't explain another gaping hole in your already porous theory.

Also, what does creating life have to do with this, man only gained intellect about 10,000 years ago. Besides, to replicate something you need to fully understand it, maybe you creationists should stop standing in the way of science.

chaosattractor:
Is nobody going to challenge my post? All in the spirit of friendly debate of course.

I'm sorry, you seem to be new here. What you'll realize here is that a lot of people aren't interested in any sensible discussion. All they are interested in to tell you how stupid they believe your views are once you disagree with them. A lot of people will make baseless (or dubiously sourced) assertions and fallacious arguments but go completely silent, aggressive, or become dishonest (depending on the person) when you bring up adequately cited claims.

Just a heads up.

JackBizzle:
He is wrong of course

Just for the record this is what I said:

"It (atheism) allows people break out of indoctrination and
have an identity of their own"

I did not say that a person cannot be indoctrinated into atheism, I only stated that atheism is a product of breaking out of religious indoctrination and thinking for oneself.

Italo just took what I said out context for his/her own nefarious purposes.

Bye-bye!

I'm curious, it is extremely difficult to enter Judaism if you don't have Jewish heritage, so how long did it take before you were accepted.

Last2comment:
Lol... checking babies out.

I hope those guys in the Vatican hear this!

This guy from the University of Wisconsin, Green Bay sheds more light on the topic.

https://www.uwgb.edu/dutchs/pseudosc/missday.htm

EDIT: Grammar, syntax, semantics.

Blackfire:
@coolusername there are many difference between a man /woman serving a particular entity/ person/ organisation , and a person who is a slave... For example our youth corp, our military personel fighting the Islamist in the north, u working in an office and so on, does that makes u a slave? ... All these are people serving... And they can be called servant.. *know put the verses u just quoted u will get the meaning*
Infact i can serve my own father,
as a servant.

Have a nice day.

You ignored the "whether he be bond or free part" Bondservants, weren't free to resign, or take leaves of absence, they were flogged (as Jesus referenced in a parable), and they weren't paid.

blueAgent:
Why not? how long does it take humans to build things. how much more God. so you believe that big bang can create things in orderly manner the way it is in this world ?

How is the world orderly? It's a chaotic system, any little thing we do is a problem. For example, our planet gradually loses hydrogen and helium from the atmosphere because their speeds in gaseous form are faster than our escape velocity. Do you know what will happen if we run of hydrogen?

TruthHurts1:
The truth cannot be suppressed or distorted by lies.

The difference between Christianity and Islam starts at the top: Muslims are told that their prophet Muhammad - a slave-owner, sexual glutton, thief and killer - is the most "beautiful pattern of conduct" and "example" for mankind to follow (Quran 33:21), as well as the "exalted standard of character" (Quran 68:4).

Christians are told to emulate Jesus - a pacifist and servant - and "walk, even as he walked" (1 John 2:6). Unlike Muhammad, who ordered military assaults against Christians, for example, Jesus told his followers not to resort to violence and to pray for one's enemies.

Ephesians 6:5-9: "Servants, be obedient to
them that are your masters according to the
flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of
your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice,
as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ,
doing the will of God from the heart; With good
will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to
men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any
man doeth, the same shall he receive of the
Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye
masters, do the same things unto them,
forbearing threatening: knowing that your
Master also is in heaven; neither is there
respect of persons with him."

EDIT: Don't try to demonize another person's religion when yours is bad too.

And I believe that adults who sleep with, or support adults who sleep with little children are worse than the dust the lines the underside of my shoes. I also believe that those who hate homosexuality while supporting paedophilia are worse than those secretions that come from roaches when they get to your books.

Fadman4real:
The fact that God created the stars and made the light to shine on us just the same way God created Adam as an adult and not a baby.

So God created the stars with and sped up light so they could reach us within a day then inexplicable reduced the speed of light in such a way that would throw off the timeline of the biblical creation?

Sounds legit! /s

Fadman4real:
Off course it might not be every land animal but most broke down to form the six million species we av now.

So basically, those animals underwent speciation then evolved their diverse traits in 4,000 years?

In other words, for example the hippopotamus and the giraffe are from the same genus (fact). So you mean to tell me that you believe that they both split from a common ancestor and evolved the different traits (while most of the transitional species went extinct) in just 4,000 years? But you don't believe that man and ape underwent the same process over the course millions of years even with well-dated fossil evidence.

Fadman4real:
Continental drift has the following errors

The concept of destruction of sea-floor plates over millions of years by slow underthrusting below ocean trenches is also doubtful.
Furthermore, the cause for the alleged gradual and uninterrupted motion of plates is an unsolved mystery.

It doesn't take a Ph.D to see that the continents fit together like a jigsaw puzzle.
There is evidence of tectonic activity breaking off land masses from each other, dude. For you to deny continental drift because you can't fit kangaroos into your creation myth must mean that you aren't a man of science.

twoondei:
Man, it's a struggle comprehending your story. I'm hoping you're not a student in a Nigerian tertiary institution.

FATALITY!

Speechless3:
I believe that the jews read their selfish meaning into scripture and hence became blind to truth. When Jesus came he rebuked them for reading the scriptures ignorantly for they were not aware that Christ was the central msg of the bible. The old book talked about things to come and these things were illustrated with things the israelites could relate to(at that time) like animal sacrifice, the sabbath day, physical israel and Egypt etc

Christ came to fulfill all of them. Christ was the reality. And he came for something worthwhile, something bigger than the pleasures/struggles of this world. Unfortunately, they were blind just like you.

Their scripture explicitly told what would happen and to be fair, it didn't. They were looking into the Old Testament and there weren't any dots to connect.

Now we have Jesus, whose very existence is up for debate because who only exists in the profoundly conflicting gospels that can't seem to agree on any fact.

Fadman4real:
Maybe you don't understand that light years mean distance not time.

Maybe you don't understand what a light year is: simply put, a light year is the distance that light would travel in a year. If a star is several millions of light years way from the earth, then the fact that we can see it means that the light from the star had millions of years to travel to us.

Fadman4real:
You answered yourself here, do you know that horses, donkeys, zebras are from the same kind of family. The type of creatures then were probably not the same we have today.
After they came down God blessed them and said to the animals be fruitful and multiply, fill the surface of the earth.

So basically, what you're saying is that 50,000 representatives of each land animal family underwent speciation to become the
6 million land species we have today?

Fadman4real:
So evolution can tell us how they migrated?

Have you ever heard of continental drift? Scientists attribute it to tectonic activity. While creationism attributes it to the flood. Taking the scientific route, kangaroos got seperated when Australia broke off from a larger continental mass millions of years ago. It doesn't add up in creationism's <10,000 year world.

Speechless3:
coolUsername please easy on the balderdash you typing. All those prophecies have been fulfilled and are still being fulfilled. I understand your confusion tho, you are taking the prophecies literally without seeking for interpretation.

TN: The same author that said he would do, is the same that said it is finished.

No you see that's the problem, there's no reference point from the Jew's point of view. They use the Old Testament, and Jesus simply didn't fit the description, what are they supposed to do.

I know that a perfect god would won't cause so much discord among his faithfuls for no reason whatsoever.

And that is one of the reasons that I don't believe in any religion's depiction of God or gods.

hollowpot15684:
As an African, u must believe this.

I'm African. Don't believe it. What now?

KingEbukasBlog:
By God's grace , Among the top 10 or 12 results in my school and very possibly in Abia state 2011 . But if you feel insecure , I understand



Mr. Im arguing in accordance to this below :

So are you saying that the animals 'speciated' or Godidit!

KingEbukasBlog:
Natural not artificial

Now I get it, biology has never really been your thing, eh? Did you use dubs for WAEC.

Scientists already know how animals can gradually get separated in nature over time or in the event of a cataclysmic event. Now obviously, they couldn't just wait for an isolation to happen to make a 'mini-apocalypse' in the lab (this is real life.)

So they artificially introduced the separation and that led to speciation. Meaning that if members of the same species are reproductively isolated for long enough, then speciation can occur.

KingEbukasBlog:
Again , what's up with you ? Where you humiliated by a theist in an argument today ?

http://www.darwinwasright.org/observations_speciation.html

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111026084302AAjTTQV

http://www.it1me.com/learn?s=Evidence_of_common_descent


http://medlibrary.org/medwiki/Evidence_of_common_descent

So how do these links question the credibility of the experiment? DID YOU NOT THINK THAT I'LL FOLLOW THOSE LINKS!!!

KingEbukasBlog:
You sound frustrated . What's up ? Chelsea had a good day and I',m relishing it .

I did a quick research when you referenced Wikipedia . Apparently , the story was copied from wiki and posted on those forums . I thought it was a hoax , because there have been lots of them over the years n the devious bid to mock creationism .

We are talking of evolution which involves speciation . I maintained after the Noah-Ark argument that speciation has not been observed and it has been from the onset of creation by God . I was quite clear that speciation has not been been observed naturally .

I took an excerpt from the story and did a quick review on it .

But these screenshots you posted are actually pro-speciation, so where exactly do you stand?

KingEbukasBlog:
Disappointed ? At your own sluggishness ?

Notice how he didn't post any link to the forums he saw this experiment? Or how he didn't acknowledge the sources I gave?

How very Christian of you.

KingEbukasBlog:
Artificial speciation is engineered which translates to it being insignificant in your desparate attempt to prove evolution . Population of insects , gametes etc can be engineered for certain purposes

Nuh uh, you don't get to change the subject here. First you lied about ever successfully disproving this post, then you lied about calling it a hoax. Now you're saying that it's wrong since it's artificial. Do you not know what an experiment is? Or have you forgotten?

You just make sh.it up as you go, conveniently forget about ground that has already been covered, conveniently misunderstand points just to win an argument. Your behaviour today is a very good representation of the mental gymnastics that go on in the heads of a lot of theists. You dishonesty is an affront to science, man. Like, doesn't your religion teach you not to lie?

I'm sick of this.

Speechless3:
How can the creature know better than the creator? Who made the law? Who dictates how it is to be observed? You?

These are the things that grind the Jews' gears about Jesus:

According to Torah, the Messiah will:
1. Ezekiel 37:26-28: Build the Third Temple
2. Isaiah 43:5-6: Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel
3. Isaiah 2:4: Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore."
4. Zechariah 14:9: Spread universal knowledge of the G-d of Israel - uniting the entire human race as one: "G-d will be King over all the world —on that day, G-d will be One and His Name will be One"

Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies. Additionally:
Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy could only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (~300 BCE) the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, thus prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets (Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi). Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended.

Jesus was not descended from King David. Per Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1, the Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David. However, according to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David! The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from a verse in Isaiah describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by G-ds. Tradition teaches that the Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. Deut. 13:1-4 states that all mitzvahs remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states its commandments are no longer applicable. (John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts 3:22 and 7:37)