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KingEbukasBlog:
Again , what's up with you ? Where you humiliated by a theist in an argument today ?

http://www.darwinwasright.org/observations_speciation.html

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111026084302AAjTTQV

http://www.it1me.com/learn?s=Evidence_of_common_descent


http://medlibrary.org/medwiki/Evidence_of_common_descent

So how do these links question the credibility of the experiment? DID YOU NOT THINK THAT I'LL FOLLOW THOSE LINKS!!!

KingEbukasBlog:
You sound frustrated . What's up ? Chelsea had a good day and I',m relishing it .

I did a quick research when you referenced Wikipedia . Apparently , the story was copied from wiki and posted on those forums . I thought it was a hoax , because there have been lots of them over the years n the devious bid to mock creationism .

We are talking of evolution which involves speciation . I maintained after the Noah-Ark argument that speciation has not been observed and it has been from the onset of creation by God . I was quite clear that speciation has not been been observed naturally .

I took an excerpt from the story and did a quick review on it .

But these screenshots you posted are actually pro-speciation, so where exactly do you stand?

KingEbukasBlog:
Disappointed ? At your own sluggishness ?

Notice how he didn't post any link to the forums he saw this experiment? Or how he didn't acknowledge the sources I gave?

How very Christian of you.

KingEbukasBlog:
Artificial speciation is engineered which translates to it being insignificant in your desparate attempt to prove evolution . Population of insects , gametes etc can be engineered for certain purposes

Nuh uh, you don't get to change the subject here. First you lied about ever successfully disproving this post, then you lied about calling it a hoax. Now you're saying that it's wrong since it's artificial. Do you not know what an experiment is? Or have you forgotten?

You just make sh.it up as you go, conveniently forget about ground that has already been covered, conveniently misunderstand points just to win an argument. Your behaviour today is a very good representation of the mental gymnastics that go on in the heads of a lot of theists. You dishonesty is an affront to science, man. Like, doesn't your religion teach you not to lie?

I'm sick of this.

Speechless3:
How can the creature know better than the creator? Who made the law? Who dictates how it is to be observed? You?

These are the things that grind the Jews' gears about Jesus:

According to Torah, the Messiah will:
1. Ezekiel 37:26-28: Build the Third Temple
2. Isaiah 43:5-6: Gather all Jews back to the Land of Israel
3. Isaiah 2:4: Usher in an era of world peace, and end all hatred, oppression, suffering and disease. "Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall man learn war anymore."
4. Zechariah 14:9: Spread universal knowledge of the G-d of Israel - uniting the entire human race as one: "G-d will be King over all the world —on that day, G-d will be One and His Name will be One"

Jesus fulfilled none of these messianic prophecies. Additionally:
Jesus was not a prophet. Prophecy could only exist in Israel when the land is inhabited by a majority of world Jewry. During the time of Ezra (~300 BCE) the majority of Jews refused to move from Babylon to Israel, thus prophecy ended upon the death of the last prophets (Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi). Jesus appeared on the scene approximately 350 years after prophecy had ended.

Jesus was not descended from King David. Per Genesis 49:10 and Isaiah 11:1, the Messiah must be descended on his father's side from King David. However, according to the Christian claim that Jesus was the product of a virgin birth, he had no father -- and thus could not have possibly fulfilled the messianic requirement of being descended on his father's side from King David! The Christian idea of a virgin birth is derived from a verse in Isaiah describing an "alma" as giving birth. The word "alma" has always meant a young woman, but Christian theologians came centuries later and translated it as "virgin." This accords Jesus' birth with the first century pagan idea of mortals being impregnated by G-ds. Tradition teaches that the Messiah will lead the Jewish people to full Torah observance. Deut. 13:1-4 states that all mitzvahs remain binding forever, and anyone coming to change the Torah is immediately identified as a false prophet. Throughout the New Testament, Jesus contradicts the Torah and states its commandments are no longer applicable. (John 1:45 and 9:16, Acts 3:22 and 7:37)

Amberon:
Why is the Holocaust not Worthy of mention? you do realise that the criticisms were initially peacful yh?

Don't Christians criticize Muslims, do you want to kill them all?

Like I've said before I love Christians and Muslims but I dislike Christianity and Islam. So don't equate criticism to persecution. It's untrue.

KingEbukasBlog:
Its a scientific myth made up by evolutionists . I posted that to you . That same story has been posted on different forums word for word . Go vent your frustrations somewhere else .

I dont think those scientists mentioned in that tale even exist . No credibility to that story . Its a hoax . You need to understand how the internet works .

You never posted that. Now you're being dishonest, this is very poor form from you. I've been seeing this behaviour from a lot of theists lately.

Sources:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation
(Go to Artificial Speciation)

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/272561073_The_Evolution_of_Reproductive_Isolation_as_a_Correlated_Character_Under_Sympatric_Conditions_Experimental_Evidence

www.darwinwasright.org/observations_speciation.html

I'm very disappointed.

Amberon:
Lmao... Atheists tho. How exactly is it criticism to Tell the Truth the away it is Sir? is there a NEW meaning for that word?

The Jews would beg to differ. Jesus' 'Truth' wasn't theirs, he didn't observe the Law, he didn't liberate Israel like the Prophets predicted. In summary, he didn't meet the requirements of the Messiah. Also, the fact that you agree with his criticism doesn't mean it isn't, some of you theists are too biased to argue honestly.

Amberon:
Did Christ criticize people's beliefs? No! Christianity is the religion with the highest level of tolerance. USA, Canada and UK are the most welcoming and liberal Nations in the world and theyre all christian Nations. The South of Nigeria is another example.

Christ actually criticized the Jew's beliefs.

Amberon:
Thats like saying Hitler didn't attack the Jews but Judaism. An attack on Christianity is an attack on Christians. Either Way's, we aren't moved.

You're comparing peaceful criticism to the Holocaust? How can you be so sensitive and then so insensitive at the same time?

ANTONINEUTRON:
I AGREE WITH NO 1.

All d theories about evolution and the formation of earth are all assumptions, wit no proof

If you actually read more than heading of no. 1, you'd've seen that what you're saying is quite the opposite.

KingEbukasBlog:
Ask CoolUsername , we christians say speciation took place at creation . Speciation has never been observed . Fossils as an old earth creationist belong to the Pre-Adamic age .

Thanks

I've posted that speciation experiment in response to you twice before. For you to say that it has never been observed goes to show how much you will dishonestly shy away from evidence to maintain your views or to 'win' an argument.

It is quite obvious that you have no interest in any meaningful discussion. You gain nothing from debates because you shroud yourself in a garment of bigotry. You are like a lighthouse of bigotry in a storm of logical reasoning, to which lesser bigots may look upon to renew their determination.

I like the fact that you said that you're not presenting a scientific case for this scientific argument but still went ahead to call those in support of the scientific model fools. You're just as God intended.

God created world in 6 days, but we have planets millions of light years away. Why? To mess with us? Then good job!

There was a flood 4,000 years ago, there are two ways to go about this:
1. Lie that somehow the ark was able to take two representatives all the unclean land species and SEVEN representatives of all the clean ones. There are 6 million species of land animals, mind you; we have the complete specs of the ark.

2. Lie that 'created kinds' don't equate to species but instead, genera, families, or even orders to beat the number down from over 12 million animals to between 2,000 and 50,000 animals.

As it is, you can fit them into the ark, but that means you're implying that 2,000 - 50,000 animals branched into 6 million species somehow in 4,000 years. Then you turn around and say that man and ape couldn't have branched from a common ancestor millions of years ago.

None of these failed attempts can tell us how kangaroos were able to make it from the Middle East to Australia.

But I'm still the fool because gawd.

Just to clarify, I don't attack Christians, I attack Christianity; I don't attack Muslims, I attack Islam. I love Christians and Muslims; but dislike Christianity and Islam.

The major reason why it seems like I point out the flaws in Christianity more is because the NL admins like to suck Islam's di.ck.

This problem is widespread, I don't know why but it seems like it's always a problem to criticize Islam. Why do they have their own section? If you're so insecure about your beliefs then you should probably rethink those beliefs.

So, that's my reason; this forum's bias towards Muslims discourages me.

italo:
You want me to give you credible sources to show that millions of North Korean Atheists are indoctrinated? You don't know that yet? In what corner of oblivion do you live?

Are you really ignorant of it or just being dishonest?

You're the one showing signs of dishonesty here, wanting to be worshiped as a god is not atheism. It's just a more brutal version what Jesus did. He's making himself a deity and banning all competing religions. So how is that atheism?

italo:
I don't see how accepting a teaching that is backed by spiritual evidence as perfect and has been endorsed by others using spiritual methods when you can't come up with a better conclusion, is wrong

Your 'spiritual evidence' has no place in the real world, it doesn't do things that can't possibly be faked (such as regrowing the limbs of amputees), it doesn't feed the hungry, it doesn't stop children from being raped, it doesn't build cars, planes, or rockets, -at least scientific theories can be put into practice, thereby giving science credibility- and finally, it hasn't stopped climate change that threatens to end the world as we know it in the near future.

italo:
Then why are North Korean Atheists worshipping Kim Jong Un?

And who said "worship" has no place in Atheism? Tell me who said so? Show me the meaning?

From Google:
atheism - /ˈeɪθɪɪz(ə)m/
noun
1. disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Do you thoroughly read through your comments before posting? How can you call people that clearly worship a man as a deity atheists? It's disingenuous.

italo:
Does "charity" have a place in Atheism? Show me the definition that says so.

Maybe you should ask these guys:
hubpages.com/politics/Atheist-Charities-2

Maybe you should ask Mark Zuckerburg, who gave almost all he has to charity.

EDIT: Added a more credible source.

italo:
You said Atheism "allows people break out of indoctrination and have an identity of their own."

False! There are tens millions of Atheists that are indoctrinated!

Face it.

I've always thought that most atheists dropped out from one faith or the other but I may be wrong.

The thing is that you aren't citing credible sources. You're far too emotional-minded for unbiased discussion.

italo:
There are many of them here who would accept anything that is backed by peer-reviewed science journals and reject anything not backed by such. That's implicitly saying it's perfect.

I don't see how accepting a conclusion that is backed up by empirical evidence and has been endorsed by others using empirical methods when you can't come up with a better conclusion, means it's perfect.

italo:
Lol...when atheists worship a dictator, you distance them from Atheism; when they have charities, you associate them with Atheism.

You're always dubious.

You understand the meaning of atheism, right? Worship has no place in it. Don't give the term a new meaning to suit your cause.

Please try to remain emotionally detached so that you can argue honestly.

orisa37:
This is like asking a King or a Queen to connect with his or her subjects, which is not necessary to ask. Christianity is the Boss of all others. It's a complete Religion of all Religions. It's The Faith, The Hope, God of Peace and God in Love. It's our true relationship with the God of the Universe. Wherever a Christian connects and worships is the Sanctuary of God Almighty.

I'm diagnosing you with delusions of grandeur. I prescribe two doses of reality checks, everyday.

vfactor:
That is where u got it all wrong. He meant the generation that starts seeing the signs of his coming. Not those he was talking to at that time. Why do I say so? The question his disciples asked him was the sign of the his coming/presence and the conclusion of the system of things or the end of the world. Part of the sign he gave was a great never-to-occurr-again tribulation and the preaching of the gospel in the entire earth, before the end comes. The gospel didnt come to African and Asia until a few centuries ago.

All these signs never occurred during the lifetime of his then audience. So they re not the generation he was talking about.

But you see, the early christian church thought they were seeing signs, every generation has thought they were seeing signs. People used to think that Napoleon Bonaparte was the antichrist back in the 17th century.

Your explanation doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

In general, more religious countries tend to be poorer. I got my answer from two separate surveys.

Sauces:
1. www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/12/23/americans-are-in-the-middle-of-the-pack-globally-when-it-comes-to-importance-of-religion/ft_15-12-17_religioussaliencescatter/

2. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/04/14/map-these-are-the-worlds-least-religious-countries/

UyiIredia:
As if the definition of perfection can't change given times and perspectives, like yours. But must Gods knowledge be synonymous with your understanding of perfection. How many tastes will God have to cater to to be perfect ? I guess He'll never be perfect in such a a case.

Since God is perfect, would you kill a loved one if he tells you to?

italo:
There are many Atheists (tens of millions) that are/were indoctrinated to worship leaders like Kim Jong Un, Stalin and follow the doctrine imposed on them.

There are millions of Atheists that believe that scientists and their journals are perfect.



I check myself and listen to differing opinions. Do you?

In summary: you still can't mention any tangible benefit of Atheism to humans.

People being indoctrinated to worship leaders is not atheism, there are no gods in atheism.

And tell me who thinks science journals are perfect. You cant just make a baseless claim.

We have atheist charities ad atheist havens in several countries.

UyiIredia:
You do know the perception of live in ancient to.es differs from our times.

Perfection should be timeless. God is supposed to know better than primitive men.

italo:
Which philosophy has Atheism given humanity...

And how has this philosophy benefited humanity?

It allows people break out of indoctrination and have an identity of their own. No self-flagellation to purge sin or anything like that. Nobody is perfect, so there's no such thing is papal infallibility, no book is perfect, nothing is above criticism.

If we don't check ourselves, we become trapped in our views, too jaded to listen to differing opinions and that's wrong.

UyiIredia:
And how does love preclude hate ? Doesn't God talk of what he hates eg sin ? Does not loving a thing mean hating another. Like loving a babe and hating her cheating on you.

Does loving a babe mean you should ask her to kill her loved ones to prove how much she loves you?

UyiIredia:
So because its perfect there must be no negative fight ? Wrong. Take the perfect kill for instance, it's negative but it's still perfect.

But isn't god all-loving?

KingEbukasBlog:
God is eternal and has been existing as three entities . These entities are called the Godhead or Trinity - The Father , Son and Holy Spirit . Muslims claim the trinity is a construct of Christianity obviously to validate their religion .

Religion being fallible (arguably) does not preclude God's existence

But the Trinity is a religious construct.

UyiIredia:
I will always say it. Perfection is a state of mind. You either see it or you don't. But while harping on the negatives atheists contrariwise play blind to the positives. You are guilty too mate.

That's weird, why would there be negatives in a 'perfect' book that was inspired by a 'perfect' god?

He insulted the group, and somehow they're the bullies?

KingEbukasBlog:
No

Care to elaborate?

italo:
You're arguing against your own imagination.

I never said I hate you, neither was I taught so.

You're just deviating because you don't want to face the truth I'm telling.

You said we bring about destruction, but it's your who promises destruction to show us his awesome superpowers.

Anyway, we all know about the activities of the Church in the Dark Ages, don't we? Does the Spanish inquisition ring a bell to you?

KingEbukasBlog:
Well I'm not stopping anyone . Its hightime we let the Holy Spirit dwell in us and embraced holiness and godliness as a lifestyle

Isn't the Holy Spirit just a construct from a man-made religion?

italo:
Plundering which people? When and where?

You're just bitter that the Catholic Church is the biggest charity in the world offering education, health care and other help to billions in the world, while Atheism only offers bitterness, emptiness and destruction.

Damn gurl, you really hate us, right? Can't blame you too much though, you're just doing what you were told.

Just want you to know that we're here to stay, so you should try to come to terms with that.