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ANTIlSLAM:
Shey herbalist and physician the same?
Or physicians knows how to prepare money ritual? Awon oponu ode

Answer simple question na.

Who's a herbalist?

ANTIlSLAM:
You have to prove it that ancient physicians used medicinal herb for treatment, that is what we are discussing..
Biblically no physician in the Bible used medicinal herb, tell your colonial masters and the founders of your demonic religion, JWs that I said so eyin oponu gbogbo

That's none of my business.
The fact is that physicians deal in medicines.

And the physicians we have today use herbs and drugs.

In fact, it's God's will that we treat ourselves with drugs and herbs. Everything comes from God

ANTIlSLAM:
The rate at which your herbalists mine human organs is second to none, abeg help us tell them to stop disgracing Yoruba nation with their human organs business

Who is a herbalist?

MaxInDHouse:
I can see that he finds pleasure in exchange of insults so that's what he wants not knowledge!

Of course, he's not ready to learn.

ANTIlSLAM:
Shey skull mining is also part of the meaning of your herbalist according to your dictionary?

Ask punch newspaper.
Anybody can mine skull.
No be Nigeria you dé

ANTIlSLAM:
You asked me toughest question, to tell you how and what ancient physicians used for treatment? I listed them for you but YOUR BRAIN STILL CAN'T COMPREHEND SIMPLE ENGLISH, Which kind brain you carry come from heaven OLOPOLO DUDU ode? You shifted the goal post because the truth is badly hammering your skull oponu

You be dindinrin. Na you do the findings abi you copy am from Google

My points still stand. Using herbs and drugs is not evil or sin against God.
Doctors, herbalists, physicians and any medical practitioner can be a real Christian.

Aemmyjah:
Punch newspaper will tell me

Lol.
Leave them jàre. Dem just wan argue blindly. Which one gives accurate definition of a word, dictionary or Punch newspaper?

The reporter/journalist erroneously thought herbalist and ifa priest/babalawo is the same thing.

Whereas Google or dictionary says something else.

ANTIlSLAM:
Wa san

Ìwọ tí oòní ọpọlọ kànkan sórí. You're empty.

ANTIlSLAM:
You will never read nah, you need iwosan kia-kia

Whatever

ANTIlSLAM:
Shey you don read am again?

No I don't need to.
I have explained my understanding of the matter to you.
So keep whatever you know to yourself.

AkinwaleJJ:
Did you know!
Occasionally, we have adjusted some of our beliefs. Why? Just as the rising sun reveals details of a landscape gradually, God grants an understanding of his Word progressively. (Read Proverbs 4:18.) So although the Bible does not change, we adjust our beliefs as our understanding of the Bible improves.
If they know better than Jehovah's Witnesses let them practice what Jesus established than JWs:
Have the same doctrine as a group! John 17:22
Love their neighbours! Mark 12:31
Have love among themselves! John 13:34-35
Make evangelizing primary assignment! Matthew 28:19-30; Act 1:8
Remain Neutral in Politics and Racism! John 17:14-16
None participation in military services! Matthew 26:52
No protesting against authorities! Matthew 5:41
Avoid noise pollution! Matthew 12:19
Stick closer only to those having the same line of thought! Matthew 12:46-50
All the above are Jesus' own words and only Jehovah's Witnesses are known globally today with these things! Matthew 5:14-16

No mind am jàre. Person wey no believe say Jesus exist. Or believe in the Bible.

ANTIlSLAM:
Make use of your eyes

I will.

oteneaaron:
Lol.
Keep looking for "real Christians" when you don't even know the true origins of Christianity.
A "real Christian" is a person who understands and knows that "the Father" or the "Universal Mind" lives within him or her - not outside, but deep within him or her.
What about you?
You worship and fear forces outside yourself - you practically worship the 8 men living in NYC as the "direct channel" to God.
Because if you were a "true Christian" as you claim, you would know that you must LOOK WITHIN.
To realize the "God Within", you don't need to be a part of any CULT group just like the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
The Universal Mind which some people call "God", is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.
Since this Universal Mind is omnipresent, it automatically means that "GOD" lives in YOU.
Look Within!!
Stop giving your power away to men like you.
Lol.
What is pure worship?
Have you studied ancient history to understand the origins and evolution of Christianity?
Do you think your materialistic version of Christianity is "pure" ?
Go and read about the Gnostic Christians of the 2nd and 3rd century AD.
The Christianity you practice was handed down to you by the catholic church.
Truth is a constant - it doesn't change.
The theory of "the light getting brighter" is just a sick way for your CULT to wave away their FALSE Prophecies.

Thanks

oteneaaron:
Absolute nail on the coffin!
QED.
No wonder it is said that their greatest enemy are their own publications.
SeniorMan715 and Cornelboy do now see why they insist that you should NOT do any external research into their old publications?
Do you now see why they are against critical and independent thinking?
It is only a critical and independent thinker who would be shrewd enough to study history to better understand a concept or doctrine designed by men.
Like I always say - To understand the present and the future, we MUST first study the past.
Historical data does not lie, no matter how hard you try to hide it.

Are you a real Christian?
Do you believe in the Bible as God's words?
Present a better performing group!

See pure worship was distorted and the JWs are doing their best to restore it. It doesn't take one day. It'll always get brighter and brighter.

ANTIlSLAM:
How many times am I going to answer this your question? Bobo I take Jah beg you pls look for omi 1930 because you are under spiritual attack

Nevermind

ANTIlSLAM:
Shey I mention any Max or worefa?
You still wan know more about modern physician? I wan make you happy tonight

No need.

Is the use of herbs and drugs evil or sin in God's sight?

Are modern day doctors and physicians sinner cos they administer drugs to people for their well-being?

If using herbs and drugs is sin, definitely pharmacists, doctors, nurses, surgeon etc are automatically sinners.

Ọmọ just hold on to you unreasonable beliefs.

I don tell you say no be by force.

ANTIlSLAM:
You don log in to another monika all because of ANTIlSLAM sha no kill yourself because of me
ÀBÚRÒ ÌYÀWÓ BABALÁWO, how many times am I going to answer your questions? Wa kuku gbadun by fire by force

Oh you think I'm using another moniker? Nah.
But I have two other monikers Antimohammad and nobody555.

ANTIlSLAM:
This is what we are discussing before you shifted the goal post simply the results didn't suit your ignorant
You asked me to give you what Physicians of that time are using to treat or cure diseases and sicknesses. After I answered you with reference, you see by yourself that Physicians in ancient times never make used of plants or herbs to cure diseases you changed it to Modern days Physicians you sha dey look for how to make yourself happy with this your ignoramus life, pele sogbo

It all comes down to our initial bone of contention:
Is the use of herbs and drugs evil or sin in God's sight?

Are modern day doctors and physicians sinner cos they administer drugs to people for their well-being?

If using herbs and drugs is sin, definitely pharmacists, doctors, nurses, surgeon etc are automatically sinners.

Ọmọ just hold on to you unreasonable beliefs.

I don tell you say no be by force.

ANTIlSLAM:
You have shifted the goal post again abi

What were we debating on initially?

My point is that using of drugs and herbs is not evil and sin against God.
No where in the Bible says we shouldn't take drugs or herbs or any medicines.

We have real Christians today that are doctors and physicians. They prescribe drugs and herbs for their patients and they use medicines themselves.

ANTIlSLAM:
https://health.usnews.com/health-news/health-wellness/slideshows/6-ancient-treatments-doctors-still-use?slide=4
Are you okay with that or you need more?

Don't stress yourself nah.
Do today physicians use herbs and drugs or not?

ANTIlSLAM:
Bobo ancient Physicians don't use medicines, if anyone including your elders in your kingdom hall tell you that ancient physicians used medicines bobo say NO refute not to be brainwashed..
God bless you for this question, ask me more of this so that your master will learn and tap from you
These are ancient medical techniques or treatments physicians used then in those days
1. Leech therapy
2. Maggot therapy
3. Transsphenoidal surgery
4. Fecal transplant
5. Trepanation
6. C-section
7. Mercury
8. Animal Dung Ointments
9. Bloodletting
10. Wandering Womb
11. Babylonian Skull Cure
12. Cannibal Cures
ANCIENT PHYSICIANS NEVER USED PLANT, ROOT OR MEDICINAL HERB
MaxInDHouse surrender yourself for learning, you will gain a lot while with us

How do you expect me accept that without proper referencing.
But I'll agree with you that ancient physicians didn't use herbs.

What about modern physicians?

ANTIlSLAM:
Mumu so many Physicians she consulted didn't know how to cure her sickness with medicinal herb abi?
And to tell us where you read it from that she was offered with medicinal herb la problem

It wasn't mentioned specifically in the Bible but physicians use medicines. And the only source of medicine that time is from plants.

Or what do you think the physicians of that time were using?

ANTIlSLAM:
Slave boy this is not explanation but question or you're still the same Maxi that loves to ignore question...
O boy, I agreed with you that the physicians the woman with issue of blood consulted all used medicinal herbs to treat her but help us ask your elders in your kingdom hall the reason why the medicinal herbs they gave her didn't cure her sickness lobatan

The medicines they gave her didn't cure her sickness simply because they didn't work. Her sickness might be a rare and complicated case then.

So now you/we agree that herbs and drugs intake is not evil or sin like you labelled it before. Cool.

ANTIlSLAM:
You and your master are senseless, I will prove it now just relax
I said your master said Human beings lived below 200yr of age but he forgot that Methuselah lived 969 years on earth. I never said 600yr, go back and read my posts again. CAN YOU SEE YOU'RE SENSELESS
You're senseless again, where did I said this as well? You don't believe in divine healing but rather in medicinal herbs and to qoute from the Bible where herb is use for healing is the question you people never solved... Shine your eyes, read my posts carefully before typing nonsense
Did I said Ancient Physician used modern drugs for treatments? Your problems is getting out of hands, omi 1930 is the only solution to your problems aswear.
Quote from the Bible where Physicians in the scripture including JESUS CHRIST used herbs to cure diseases and sicknesses is what I'm asking from you and your master. Senseless people
I'm not forcing anything on you either, my mission here is to expose the gullible in the lives of you guys, you can't add to the word of God and still be claiming to be Christians. Which kind Christians are you that believes in BABALÁWO as healer
Using herb for food is what Bible talks about which is not a SIN against God but using herb for ritual purposes, believing in BABALÁWO than Jesus Christ the great healer is a sin even at you claiming to be Christ's like (Christian) as if Christ used herbs for healing

Bobo I didn't solicit for your explanation.
There's no where in the Bible that says herbs can't be used for medicines.

Hold on to your views on the matter bobo mi.

ANTIlSLAM:
You and your master are senseless, I will prove it now just relax
I said your master said Human beings lived below 200yr of age but he forgot that Methuselah lived 969 years on earth. I never said 600yr, go back and read my posts again. CAN YOU SEE YOU'RE SENSELESS
You're senseless again, where did I said this as well? You don't believe in divine healing but rather in medicinal herbs and to qoute from the Bible where herb is use for healing is the question you people never solved... Shine your eyes, read my posts carefully before typing nonsense
Did I said Ancient Physician used modern drugs for treatments? Your problems is getting out of hands, omi 1930 is the only solution to your problems aswear.
Quote from the Bible where Physicians in the scripture including JESUS CHRIST used herbs to cure diseases and sicknesses is what I'm asking from you and your master. Senseless people
I'm not forcing anything on you either, my mission here is to expose the gullible in the lives of you guys, you can't add to the word of God and still be claiming to be Christians. Which kind Christians are you that believes in BABALÁWO as healer
Using herb for food is what Bible talks about which is not a SIN against God but using herb for ritual purposes, believing in BABALÁWO than Jesus Christ the great healer is a sin even at you claiming to be Christ's like (Christian) as if Christ used herbs for healing

Your unreasonable sir.
Using herbs and drugs is not sin against our God Jehovah. I don't know about your God.

The physician that the Jewish woman with the issue of blood consulted didn't use anointing oil or holy water on her but logically was treating her with medicines from plants.

So hold on to your beliefs while I hold on to mine. We don't need to agree.

ANTIlSLAM:
What are you people explaining? That human beings lived below 200yrs, Physician is the same as herbalist, 6,000yrs and 600yrs are the same abi, or you explained to me how Jesus Christ used herbs to cure sicknesses and diseases, etc.. Tell me the one you explained awon senseless beings

You are very unreasonable Sir.

MaxinDhouse never said man lived below 600 years.

We never said Divine healing through God's power is same as using herbs and drug.

The physicians of ancient times didn't use modern drugs to treat their patients but traditional medicines from herbs and plants.

We are not forcing anything on you. Hold on to your beliefs while we hold on to ours.

To you, using herbs and drugs is sin against God but to us, it's not a sin.
So keep what you know and we will hold on to ours.

ANTIlSLAM:
Slave boy, you mean your master get sense in which A Physician is also an Herbalist according to your occultist religion, JWs dictionary?
Your master can't differentiate between 600 years and 6,000 years,
Your master even said human beings lived below 200yr of age but he forget Methuselah that lived 969 years on earth and many blunders like that
Slave boy, shey your master get sense with all these blunders? eyin oponu meji

Baba no today we don dé explain am to you. Hold on to your beliefs and we hold on to ours.

ANTIlSLAM:
Doctors believes in divine healing which you and your master is against including your occult religion, JWs that is just the meaning

MaxinDhouse see your student. É don come again. Abeg help his senselessness.

I really don't have your time.

SharonLoveth:
In ancient Israel, medicinal herb wasn't an option in treating illnesses. The ancient Israelites used amulets and incantations to ward off or treat illnesses despite Biblical prohibitions.
The ancient Hebrews attributed health and disease to a divine source. They believed that Healing was in the hands of God. On the other hand illnesses were regarded as punishments of sins against God or against the Law, so the most efficient, or the only advised remedy was the prayer and the repentance.
The prophet Isaiah treats King Hezekiah’s life-threatening illness by pressing figs on his sores (the story is told twice, in 2Kgs 20:1-7 and in Isa 38:1-21). But the Bible makes it clear that Hezekiah owes his recovery to God: the Lord refers to Hezekiah’s prayers, not to Isaiah’s action, when he promises Hezekiah 15 more years of life. Miracle cures by the prophets Elijah and Elisha also combine physical actions with prayer.

Why do you think doctors say "we care but God heals"?

AgentNairaland:
Egypt beliefs in superstitions and in magic medicine, ancient Israel beliefs that Healing was in the hands of God, none of them believed in medicinal herbs just conduct a thorough research on this and get your fact right so that you won't be arguing blindly next time. In Old testament no where it is written that medicinal herb was used for treating diseases or sicknesses

Of course it wasn't mentioned in the old testament. But we have a clue from the new testament during Jesus time.

The woman with the issue of blood for many years consulted physicians before she met Jesus.

What do you think the physician was using to treat her?

AgentNairaland:
Go and read this path, don't be too eager to comment I will keep on saying this. The page is a bit complex and if you don't read gently you will missed it
Therefore, the first doctors, or “medicine men,” were witch doctors or sorcerers. The use of charms and talismans, still prevalent in modern times, is of ancient origin.

Many cultures in the ancient times had different beliefs and practices about diseases and mode of treatment.
They use magic or herbs.

For the the ancient Israelites, using magic is against their God commandments so technically their physicians make use of medicine from plants to treat their patients.

AgentNairaland:
The site is talking about two different things, i.e. Early medicine and folklore medicine
Like I said you guys shouldn't be too eager to comments, always read all the contexts of a message before too forward to comment
Now go back to that page and read all over again, come back here and tell us what you read and learn

In ancient times, people were treating themselves with medicine gotten from plants.
And they had people specialised in it.

I'm not forcing it on you but that's the fact baby girl.