danny34:



Hi, thanks for the response. What if it is with a local authority? I currently have a part time role with a county council that the full time amount is 24k - 27k.

Does this qualify too?

Depends on what you actually earn and what the salary threshold for your job is. If you work part-time, the actual salary you receive must be above the salary threshold for your occupation code in order for you to qualify for sponsorship

For instance, the minimum salary you can earn under the health and care category in the NHS is £23,200 for a full-time job (known as 1 FTE). If you are working part time, i.e. a percentage of the standard 37.5 hours a week - lets assume 30 hours a week, which is equivalent to 80% of 37.5 hours (which will be 0.8 FTE), - then your prorated annual salary would be 80% of £23,200, which is obviously less than the minimum salary so you can't be sponsored.

So you need to determine what your actual salary is and compare it to the minimum salary for your occupation code to give you an idea of whether you can be sponsored or not.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/skilled-worker-visa-going-rates-for-eligible-occupations/skilled-worker-visa-going-rates-for-eligible-occupation-codes

Zahra29:


Lol Nigel, UK's Trump.

New YouGov poll says that Reform has now overtaken the Conservatives so he's resonating with a lot of people.

At this rate he will soon overtake Labour and then things will really start to get interesting.

Zahra29:


It's there - pages 41 and 42:

under the Conservatives, our economy has become overly dependent on workers from abroad to fill skills shortages. As a result, we have seen net migration reach record highs; more than triple the level than at the last election in 2019. The overall level must be properly controlled and managed. Failure to do so reduces the incentives for businesses to train locally.

So, Labour will reduce net migration. We will reform the points-based immigration system so that it is fair and properly managed, with appropriate restrictions on visas, and by linking immigration and skills policy

We will end the long-term reliance on overseas workers in some parts of the economy by bringing in workforce and training plans for sectors such as health and social care, and construction....

They've also said that they won't reverse the student and care dependant bans.

Thank you for pointing that out. No way Labour would avoid saying something concerning immigration in this election.

It's Starmy weather ahead!

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/Labour-Party-manifesto-2024.pdf

Zahra29:


💯

And to add, it's not just Russian and Chinese money. What about African politicians who loot their countries and then buy up properties all over North London for example.

London property has long been used as a way to wash questionably acquired funds. If the government wants to turn a blind eye to this, then at the very least they should ensure such foreign nationals pay a higher property tax than its residents.

Lol, you had to go and spoil it by mentioning African kleptocrats who have stolen the country blind at all levels, a sore point for many a traumatised Nigerian on these threads.

Remember the "We are here because you were there" phrase the Sri Lankan chap wrote about summarising the phenomenon of reverse migration from the former colonies to the former colonisers? In my case, if any hypothetical racist on a hypothetical high streets asks me that question, my answer will be "We are here because they too [our presidents, governors, ministers and even local government chairpeople) are here".

danny34:
Hi guys ....

I am rounding up my masters in September, came in on the student visa route.

We are 3, my wife and 1 child (5).

I am seeking clarification on the new visa rule.

What is the minimum salary that can sponsor me and wify from October in the health and social care sector?

I want to start weighing my options and I don't want to do post study visa.

I have read the immigration stuff, but I am not comprehending.

Anyone to clarify me?

Thanks

£23,200.

jedisco:


All the blame on foreign ownership has all the trappings of the current immigration issue. Populist and a vote winner but just like chasing away immigrants it's hardly ever results in higher standards of living for the local polpulace. Even 9ja fcked around and found out.

Certain considerations:

1. Recently, due to tax changes, alot of landlords have been selling. Now combine that with higher rates which were supposed to 'crash' house prices and tell me how much of a drop we have had. Have landlords selling made renting or home ownership any more affordable?

2. The ratio of foreign ownership in the UK has remained quite small and has served as a good impetus to the building sector. Forget talk, is the nation really reafy for a drop in house prices just like in Japan?

3. Many countries (NZ, AUS, Can) with higher ratio of foriegn ownerships have banned or severely restricted foreign ownership- have their house prices become affordable as a result?

4. Most foreign owners buy in cash or with less mortgage due to higher interest rates. If they buy with mortgage, local lenders benefit. For those buying in cash- remember this is cash not yet in the economy, the person has say £300k in their pocket. They would only invest it in a place they see a reasonable chance of profit. The UK economy needs that inflow- remember we are largely a service based economy. Investors can as well put those funds in other economies or a global index funds and get 7% after inflation with good liquidity and dodge all the issues around rentals e.g non paying tenants e.t.c. Even with good rental yield, how long do you think it would take for such a person to recoup their capital? Its largely a longplay game.

5. This is not saying it should be laissez-faire for foriegn investors. There shoud be progressive regulation but the narrative to keep pressing the increase tax button is hardly the answer.
Its for every host nation to understand how to maximise benefits from such inflows they need while making sure thy remain a sought after investment destination.

Your points are well made, but I disagree with all of them.

Foreign investment in property in the UK has been largely negative in terms of consequences. Effectively, people in the UK, with its lowish levels of pay and high costs of living, are competing against the middle to upper classes of the whole world to own property in their own country. The only slightly positive effect has been additional government revenue from tax on property related transactions, but in my opinion any benefit is outweighed by the overall negative consequences.

While the government was gorging on Russian and sundry other dodgy origin money, and dashing out residency and citizenship to anyone who rocked up with enough money of any provenance in their pocket to pay, its people were slowly being priced out of their own capital city and other desirable locations. While most people have the impression that its mainly luxury property in upscale postcodes that foreigners are flogging among themselves, that's not the case - they're everywhere, buying up new developments offplan, etc. Oxford, for instance, is full of rich foreign students and it sometimes seems as if all of them buy property before they leave.

Zahra29:


Erm no, they've moved out of Planet Earth and into some magical land of fairies.

Reminds me of sixth-form student politics. No one's going to take them seriously.
(Although I'm sure they're very nice people).

No-one in the UK, you mean
The UK is still trying to use US social standards (unfettered capitalism with little or no consideration for society) and levels of taxation to fund European-style social democracy. Increasingly difficult to square that circle, and you can't have the two co-existing for long.

As missjekyll pointed out, the Greens' dream levels of taxation are Scandinavian and they work there.

Zahra29:
Wow that debate was painful for Sunak.

The audience clearly didn't like him, he was booed and heckled at various points. He looked quite deflated.

He definitely came off worse than Starmer, and Starmer didn't have a good showing.

deept:


Lol.

If they do this, stamp duty o ti lo, extra stamina duty on second home o ti lo, landlord tax- those ones you pay at the council o ti lo, income tax on rent o ti lo. Do you know how the billions of pounds as tax revenue we will lose?

Stamp duty receipts will be replaced by less outgoings in the form of housing benefits, extra stamp duty on second homes receipts will be replaced by less outgoings in the form of housing benefits and tax on savings interest as erstwhile landlords save their capital in savings accounts or gilts, likewise for income tax on rent.

It's true that a huge chunk of the UK's economy is simply based on people selling houses to one another, with no real productive aspects, but that has huge societal downsides.

deept:


True, those well established will stay and take the hit on the chin. But it doesn't help when a minister can expense £11000 as internet roaming fees (goodness knows what other things they expense that does not make public) and it is ok as well as a decline of public service. Who will lose, maybe the local restaurant, maybe less family trips/holidays, as subjects will have to adjust to new realities which in turn impacts the local economy.

Agreed, again. But we all know that the politicians throw public money about on all sides of the border irrespective of the tax burden, and corruption is part of public life. Again, you're right regarding the possible knock-on effects on the rest of the economy. And I do think that the Scottish government is wasting money on subsidies like free prescriptions and free bus transport for people up to 22.

BouharryArtikou:


Problem is, there is a very very thin line between hypocrisy & ‘I have changed’
I can imagine the uproar that will come from you, if the Nigeria government decides to impose a 70-80% tax on every single naira you have (or will) earn in profit from the Treasury Bills you purchased back in the day.
Remember those landed property you purchased? if the Enugu or Anambra or Ekiti or Ebonyi state government decides to impose an 80% tax and increase the ground rent by 150% will you applaud them?

By the way, how dare you buy lands with your money when lots of your neighbours can’t afford to buy a 20sqM plot? How dare you buy treasury bills with your hard earned money and make profits from it when mama Nkiru at Ochanja market cannot afford to buy food? How dare you buy an extra shoe with your hard earned money when papa Akinlade next door cannot afford N1,000 for typhoid & malaria test ?

Since you have changed, maybe it’s a good time to sell all that you have purchased with your hard earned money, give your state government (in nigeria) the money to distribute to people who don’t own their houses or who have no clothes or who cannot afford hospital bills.

Good gracious. A very Damascene conversion.

In her defence, she has now seen the light.

But while she's right about the effects of the UK's unbridled housing market, I don't think taxing second homes (BTLs) is the way to go. A combination of demand-dampening approaches, including unloosening planning rules to make building [social] homes on brownfield easier, banning non-residents from buying property (No government of any stripe has proposed that, because it works in their favour, with all their offshore registered investment vehicles and so forth), building more social homes and keeping them in public ownership, etc. would work better.

deept:


Well that's the reality for business. They are not charities and if the business environment does not favour them, they move, more people lose their jobs, no more tax revenues, towns go into decline, etc.

I am not anti-tax, I am[b] pro reasonable and well thought out taxation[/b]. There is always a disadvantage or opportunity costs( effects of which are not always measurable) to these things. It might look like a win for govt revenues in the short term but it might hurt long term. A lot of these taxes don't even hurt the rich people you so much want to get money from, it's the working people it affects the most.

Agreed.
The problem is determining what is reasonable and well-thought out in any situation.

In Scotland's case, I think the right-wing papers whipped up a lot of sentiment there, because the actual money forecast to be raised from the adding of an additional tax band isn't much in the wider scheme of things, affects a small percentage of the population and the differential between their tax bills in RUK as opposed to Scotland is up to £6k for the highest tax band £150k and above, and not many people, who are likely to be homeowners and established in their places of residence, will up and sell homes or otherwise leave. Perception is everything though, and it might deter some people from moving to Scotland, or make them ask for higher pay.

And I think the Scottish govt has one more tax band at the lower end of the scale which reduces things a little for those on that pay level.

Zahra29:


This applies if a visa is revoked before its expiration. In other cases, an individual will automatically become an overstayer if they do not renew or switch their visa before it expires, Home Office will not send reminders or official notices.

Quite right - I stand corrected.

Jamesclooney:


What set is your friend part of? Jan 2023? I read some have lodge legal appeals…pls how does that work? I know someone whose student visa has expired last week. The school told him to leave in 24hrs but nothing yet from the Home office. He’s owing some tuition fees, but even if he finds the money, he’s not sure whether to pay them as he’s already an overstayer.

@All, what’s best way forward? Lodge an appeal? Note he’s still awaiting dissertation results.

He's not yet an overstayer until the Home Office has contacted him and given him an official visa curtailment date.
He should engage intensively with the school, follow any appeal/ review procedure they have, etc.

missjekyll:


I ll support 2 times whatever they are proposing. Millennials like me and Gen z cannot afford even 1 house and you have 2? Tax it till the pips squeak. It's a basic human need not a business opportunity

Lol. You know I ll always support a wealth tax. Everybody should pay tax. Small fish fetch small firewood, big fish fetch big firewood.

Financialisation of shelter and other necessities in the UK is beyond these tweaks.
Only way to go is more housing - building up or on the so called grey belt and brownfield.

And ending Right to Buy in England.

Christabeliciou:
Hello Everyone,

Please pardon me if this has been asked in the previous pages.

If you enter the UK with a skilled worker as Healthcare Assistant, your employer license revoked, can one get another sponsorship in another route while you are in the UK, or must be the same health care.

Thanks

You can get a job and sponsorship in any field.

Zahra29:


Who's/ what is EluDee?

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/8nA7UWZqypk

LP (Labour Party) in Nigeria in 2023, pronounced in a way that would be familiar to the Nigerian ear.

jedisco:
The gift that keeps on giving. Keep milking the cow.

You don't want immigrants but after paying tax and NI, they are the one which are needed to susidise fees for local students, taxed specially for the NHS (which they seldom use), fund a rise in pay for civil servants and now fund 8000 more police officers.... and yet, you still don't want immigrants. As migrants, its worth knowing the burden we carry and our importance to the system.

It's odd how the populace wants lower taxes, low immigration and at same investment (whatever that means) in the local labour force. Ask where the money would come from and folks start twiddling their thumbs.

Interesting how the current government is now seeing migrants as a convenient goose to pluck.
Well, in line with the theory of turkeys and Christmas, I shall certainly not be voting Tory, no matter how much the rest of their platform might otherwise have made some sense to me.

LibDem all the way. EluDee till 2034.

jedisco:


Yeah, it's always been a status symbol but the kids enrolled are on the increase. There are a number of reasons for that but thats hardly the issue here. It's the optics on the 'haves- vs 'have-nots'. Your concerns I must add are all legit.

Without VAT, fees have been on a constant rise (manytimes above inflation). Including VAT might not translate to thesame fee rise for parents in the longterm. There are options to consider e.g you could look to move and target cheaper fee paying or better still grammar schools. The fact is that the overwhelming majority who are already paying fees would keep paying even with the change. It's for you to adapt.

No need stressing on things one cant change. Labour is likely going to win and just like Brexit and recent elections, this is one of their cardinal policies. It's a policy that would only affect a vanishingly small number of Nigerians.

I don't stress about things I can't change. If I did, I wouldn't have left Nigeria, which is one stressor which I can't change.
If Labour does win and does implement the policy then of course one would have to adjust accordingly either by giving up the plan or working harder or tightening belts further where there is spare waist capacity for that.

What the thread was earlier debating about was the fact that this policy could be a dealbreaker for some people, just the same way any other declared policy of a political party will have its opponents and proponents. And the number of Nigerians/people of Nigerian origin it might affect makes no difference to that.

jedisco:


Hehe.
First, most immigrants are from conservative backgrounds and would be largely opposed to most things around LGBTQ. But then, there need to be some common sense decisions around certain things.

Secondly, I find it interesting that over the last few pages on the elections, the focus has been on vat for private schools. If just 7 % of kids are in private schools, the ratio of Nigerian immigrants whose kids would go to private schools would be very low. 1-2% at most. I.e, this would hardly affect us as a community. Personally, if I had kids here, I would look to send them to grammar or private schools. I factored this in when buying a property and had to buy in a town with a good number of well-rated fee paying schools. Even at that, I'm not opposed to the idea. Private schooling is increasingly becoming a status symbol and some vat on that is fair game. One might argue other areas e.g healthcare- the answer is simple. No tax is universally 'fair'. Every nation decides on what to tax and what not to.

My main concern is that the money raised would likely be wasted on some 'new shiny project' in state schools that would later be scrapped. Seen this happen too many times in the NHS. Finally, don't be surprised the number of children in private schools will keep rising despite this change. The psychology around items seen as luxury is very much different from essentials.

I don't think private schooling is "becoming" a status symbol. In its pure, historical form, it's always been that.

For me, I'm more concerned about people like myself, who have got a child who would perform better, get more attention, smaller class sizes, etc. outside mainstream state schooling and have to consider paying for that and the fact that tax in private education would probably put that out of reach/render it more expensive. The private schools people in my income bracket are looking at aren't the Etons, Harrows, Winchester Colleges et al, just simply non-state schools where the children get more focused attention.

stephoye:
Hi all. My dependants will expire in November and I want to apply for extension. Can I apply now or I need to wait until August when their visa is 3 months before expiration?

You can apply at any time. Probably not a bad idea to do it now before the Tories/Labour/Reform/various combinations of the above take control and start to slash at immigration.

missjekyll:


You know what this means ,don't you? Far from interesting, the rise of the far right is a calamity for anyone who is not white, male,Christian or straight.

They have previous form for deadly persecution. I am usually very open to other ideas but I do not understand their supporters on this thread, to be frank.

It's the broad church in operation.
There are the people who people who feel the UK is changing too much too fast due to immigration, the low tax advocates who feel they dont want to pay taxes to support the feckless, the so-called libertarians who believe that they should be free to do whatever they want without regulation, the social conservatives who take sides in any culture war going, etc., etc. Point is - its a wide spectrum of people and people are happy to espouse any party/candidate who appears to be travelling part of the way in which they'd like to go, even if they're not going the whole way.

Same tensions exist everywhere - lots of religious blue collar black voters in the US left the Dems due to gay marriage and things like that.

missjekyll:


Lib dems are on the right. They happily formed a coalition with the tories in 2010. I also vote for parties with a glimmer of a chance of winning. Green is out.
The tories have moved to the right. Reform is dragging them even further to the far right

Whatever Nick Clegg preached in 2010, the current Lib Dems incarnation is centre-leftish now.
Anyway, good luck with Labour while I cast about for what to do with my vote.

missjekyll:


That's a wealth tax. Labour has rowed back on this which is bonkers to me . But then I m on the left. They ve moved to the centre where the votes are in the UK.

I see 1.3 billion reasons to implement this and support it wholeheartedly

Then you should be proselytizing for either the Lib Dems, the Greens or the SNP if you are in Scotland. Labour and the Conservatives have merged.

dupyshoo:
I am definitely not voting Labour as I dont want more tax.
I am not sure of who I will vote instead.

That's the problem with the FTP system, alas.
I'm no fan of either Labour or the Tories; they're two cheeks of the same fundament.

missjekyll:


They should already be paying this tax. It was an unfair privilege and an unconscionable one now we are in such dire straits.
My taxes are already high. Before the government tries to tax me again, they must collect all the taxes due from everybody.

There is one way to do that - by balancing out the tax rates on capital gains as opposed to wage income so that effective tax rates are equalised as closely as possible. But I'm struggling to see how private education should be taxable from a financial standpoint. The logic doesnt stack up .The only way it makes sense to me is if it is done from a class war standpoint, which I believe is the case, a nod to Labour's Corbynite wing. Of course the casualties in this go way beyond the Oxford PPE classes and hit everyone.

missjekyll:


The institute for fiscal studies has published a reliable study on this. I would discountenance the ISC study as it was funded by the schools themselves.

Peerielass, this change will not kick in till next year. Also , since your daughters school has been making a profit for years, they can afford to "eat" the disparity and not pass on the full 20% to you.

Your daughter deserves the best . But so do other children .

Of course. But is it a zero-sum situation - do the resources to fund the improvement of public education necessarily have to come from taxation on private education?

missjekyll:
We are already being taxed to death now. Do you want more of the same? I dont.

At least with Labour, i can see where my money is going.(into infrastructure)

Actually I dont think any party that gets into government will reduce the tax burden.

oluwaleokey:
Biko... you guys are just pushing me around with these arguments... lets sentiments be put aside and critically analyze who's the best suitable candidate/party to vote considering flexible suitable immigration policies.

Can you just put heads together, to select a candidate that would likely favour immigrants... I wish to vote a "Peter Obi" kinda candidate... if not I would gladly opt to "to-mbom to-mbom" method to cast my vote.

Lib Dems are the Peter Obi candidates in the room.
Obviously doomed, but actually have the most balanced manifesto on offer.
They do believe that only 99.9% of women don't have male Instruments, though.
Can't have it all.

Peerielass:


I agree with you Zahra but Keir is not the man for the job, he lacks charisma and is very evasive. He couldn’t even answer any of the questions thrown at him. I wish Labour had another frontman or person(since they can’t define a woman). I knew we were fighting a lost battle when he said he won’t pay for private healthcare for his dying relative. At this rate I will be voting Reform UK.

Labour is indeed uninspiring, and in fact Labour is actually matching the Tories in harsh promises against immigration (the usual rubbish to seem tough and hopefully win voters). While its the usual playbook to promise all sorts and do something else if you get into power, dialing up anti-immigration rhetoric constitutes demonising visible minorities of different skin colour, irrespective of their immigration or citizenship status and people believe this stuff readily.

But instead of throwing your vote away by voting for Reform UK, which is just a slightly cleaned up and public-schoolboy-fronted version of the old National Front of those days and which has no tangible policies apart from talking about immigration and taxing immigrants more than the double taxation we already pay (something that might put off companies from hiring anyone with a non-British name, irrespective of citizenship status (HR people in this country tend not to know anything much about immigration laws), abeg throw your vote away through the Lib Dems who are now the real national left wing party, or the SNP if you're in Scotland.

jedisco:


Even folks wey don gel go struggle to cough up that kind money go give government. How many of the 2.8m people on longterm sick have contributed upto that sum (aside taxes) to the government in their whole life? Meanwhile, dem no go gree us rest. Interesting thing is that many coughing up these sums are low-average earners. Folks dey struggle with no appreciation. We go survive and multiply.

My only prayer is that after all this struggle, let their kids grow up with sense appreciating their parents struggle.

That divorce dey fear me. Its one of very few things that can take man back to the trenches. I don reason whether to pack some investments in 9ja first. But the currency dey evaporate. Na why I still dey single lane but man gats join dual carriage soon.

Just remember that there are various types of dual carriageways.