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Janosky:
Greek John 1:1.: "in beginning was the Word"

DaddyCoool: "in the beginning was God".

Madam, which Bible verse did you quote from?

Go down to where it says "And the Word was God"

MaxInDHouse:
So English agreed with the Bible while you disagree.

Wonder shall never end!

Christ gave a parable in Hebrew or Aramaic, which have been transliterated and translated many times. If he had just said neighbor that man wouldn't have asked "who is my neighbor? "

MaxInDHouse:
Stop lying nah!

See the dictionary again.
English says create can be defined as "to make or produce from other"

Stop making a fool of yourself. Scientists have not been able to create even an atom, living or not living.
You know full well we mean create from nothing, as in Genesis

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus was CREATED in the beginning and that's

GothamCities:
Lol.
Thanks for shutting them up using their own doctored Bible. They know they have no answers

gohf:
I built the whole table with a hammer, without my hammer I wouldn't have built the table, all my furnitures were built with it.

Aemmyjah:
Your brain needs small polishing walahi 😂

Janosky:
Confused Trinitarian denying Nicene Creed dey yarn GIBBERISH.

sonmvayina

Steep:
Jesus christ and God the Father share same essence or are one being but separate persons. Another way of putting it is that the divine being God is a tri-personal being unlike you and I, who are mono-personal beings.

Let's put this debate to rest once and for all.
The normal human inclination is NOT to complicated things, to go for the easier path.
Hence our natural inclination is to say: "How can Christ be God? There is only one God!"
The problem starts when you actually start reading and studying the Bible. As you immerse and really get to know the Bible, it will gradually dawn on you that Christ can't be anything but God!

That's why founders of groups like JW usually never went beyond high school. Or an uneducated person like prophet Muhammad. They can't handle that there is any complication to God. But real scholars must or they'd be lying to themselves!

Here are some things I posted previously:

There are quotations in the Bible both in support of, and seemingly NOT in support of deity of Christ. So we look at our practical life experiences:

God restored a Person from dead knowing fully well he'd be worshipped as God, and you don't think he approves of it? And it's been on for 2000+ years, and the church has only multiplied, prospered, and become stronger?
You'd be implying God does not exist, or is powerless, or does not care! - and LordReed would heartily agree with you!

See, if this were 50 AD, we could be saying let's wait and see. And remember, nothing provokes the wrath of YHWH like trying to worship another alongside Him. Don't you think that for Him to resurrect a dead Person and allow His being worshipped as God for thousands of years says something about where He stands on the issue??!

Can't you see he can ONLY be God? God has no son or you'd be talking of wife, mother, etc (as in Roman gods). "Son of God" can only mean an extention of God (unlike, say, a prophet), a manifestation of God, God himself!

Don’t you think it is only God that could have restored a Person from all that (He was literally DEAD!) to a position of being worshipped as God, and that it would never have been possible if God had not approved of it, and definitely would not have lasted these thousands of years?

Matthew 28:19: Jesus commands His disciples to baptize "in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit."

2 Corinthians 13:14: Paul speaks of "the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit."

MaxInDHouse:
The English defines NEIGHBOUR in the screenshot below o they said a fellow human being!

All the definitions define it in terms of nearness EXCEPT the biblical - and the Bible was NOT written in English!

MaxInDHouse:
Perhaps your ancestors were using mobile phones two centuries ago after all energy existed in their time!

OMG you can't be this dense. EVERYTHING that resulted in cell phone was already here. NOTHING was created. Someone else please tell him

MaxInDHouse:
According to the dictionary neighbour is anyone that comes around so it's not compulsory they must live near you.
The Samaritan never lived near the Jew that was attacked by robbers o!

Christ did not speak English.
In English neighbor means propinquity!

MaxInDHouse:
Everything else humans are using on this planet that's lifeless was CREATED by man jọọ!

I don't think you know what create means. See below. Everything in existence is energy

MaxInDHouse:
God created humans but everything we see like television, radio, mobile phones, Internet, aeroplane, skyscrapers are all CREATED by humans whom God created does that makes humans God?

Nonsense. Humans created NOTHING. Just rearranged what's already there. Ever heard "matter can be neither created nor destroyed"
But even in the scenario you gave you can't say humans created EVERYTHING, as is said of Christ!

MaxInDHouse:
If you're chatting with me here when we don't know each other that makes us NEIGHBOURS on this forum because we come across each other but talking about BROTHER naaaaaaaaah never a person with whom i share nothing!

BRAINWASHED!😅
It's the other way round! You can colloquially call any man brother, but NOT everyone is your neighbor! UNLESS you invent your own English!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus was CREATED in the beginning and that's what makes him to be with God in the beginning of creation God has no beginning so when John said the same was with God in the beginning it's clear that Jesus was CREATED in the beginning!

Yeah? So why did the Bible say he created EVERYTHING. If he was created is he not part of the everything?? Meaning he created himself!

MaxInDHouse:
You're the one turning things over here because it's stupid to call a stranger my brother if we are not related in any way, you people may be used to such nonsense but the truth remains that if i don't know you but both of us are alive on this planet then we are neighbours i can only acknowledge someone as my brother if we are related through blood, business or faith.
Which means you are never and will never be my brother forever and ever!

Then you need to invent your own English. See definition of neighbor below.
On the other hand, brotherhood of man means yo u can coloquially call any man brother

MaxInDHouse:
Each of them just fabricate his own idea which he or she wants to be taught that's why they can never ever agree.

What is the import of that phrase:
"In the beginning" if someone wasn't born at the time? Proverbs 8:22

Surely Jesus was born or created in the beginning then trained to create all other things! Proverbs 8:23-30 compare to Colossians 1:15

Go and find out the difference between "in the beginning was God" and "In the beginning God came into being or God was created"
Hint: in one God was ALREADY there!

MaxInDHouse:
Go and convince Jesus who first insisted on using BROTHER only for his spiritual family!

But you are NOT Jesus and you just said you also use for mere blood brother!

gohf:
I built the whole table with a hammer, without my hammer I wouldn't have built the table, all my furnitures were built with it.

Do you see how perplexing it is to call the hammer the creator?

Jesus was called out by God and used in commanding other things to be, creating and making them.

See stupidity. I'm sure you can read: "BY HIM!!"
Your hammer didn't make anything!
John 1:3 - ALL things were made BY Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made
So obviously he himself was NOT made. Also, your hammer is not your son. This is God's "son"! But God doesn't go about having sons. Therefore this must have been part of God, God himself!

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus said that because he is not from planet earth and he existed before the creation of the world so he is older than Adam and Eve but when he now said his disciples are his family he's talking about the SPIRITUAL FAMILY those worshiping in Spirit and Truth! John 4:24

Brah (short for "brother"!), so your brainwashed self has finally seen there are nuances to the word "brother". @bolded "spiritual family" implies spiritual brother. If I call you brother it's not in the same sense I use it for my church member or younger brother.
"Bro, brother, etc." are common coloquialisms and only a brainwashing agent will insist you use it for only JW!

MaxInDHouse:
Try to write Jesus' statement {Matthew 12:46-50} at least it's in your own copy of the Bible!

I already posted it for you in your JW (NWT) version. See it again below.
And I already told you, going by that, your blood relatives (mother, sister, brother) are NOT your relatives UNLESS they are JW!

See who is your brother, or mother, or sister:

47  So someone said to him: “Look! Your mother and your brothers are standing outside, seeking to speak to you.” 48  In reply he said to the one who spoke to him: “Who is my mother, and who are my brothers?” 49  And extending his hand toward his disciples, he said: “Look! My mother and my brothers!+ 50  For whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, that one is my brother and sister and mother.”

calabaman:
Hehe, you are correct.

That's what I saw first before I read.

Voila!
At least you read at all😆

OduduwaNow:
Focus on the topic..

Then you shouldn't have provided the ass. Men are visual animals. Most of them won't read but they'll see the ass!

PO? Are you ok? He has has many admirable skills but articulate is not one

Godwin4444:
is it that Igbo men are impotent or can't impregnate women

Na una get baby factory, na Una still dey steal other people's children

Anambra must be unknowingly full of Yoruba people. So much for tribalism!

Janosky:
Confused Trinitarian denying Nicene Creed dey yarn GIBBERISH.

You are obviously the one confused.
Please explain to us how a "Son" who created EVERYTHING that was created, and who has ALWAYS been with an ALONE God, is NOT God!

Janosky:
You have refused to understand Matthew 12:50 & Matthew 10:38

Jesus said his brother is the person following Jesus to do his Father's will.. (Matthew 10:33-38 = Matthew 12:47-50).


Jesus Christ did NOT worship 2 persons.
Believers in Christ (my Brother) can NOT worship 2 persons.

You either get it or you don't get it..

He missed the point.
Here's the point:
Even your blood is not your brother unless JW!

Janosky:
Did your Trinitarian Nicene Creed make your FALSE claim?
Madam spilling GIBBERISH.


What did John write in Revelation 3:14?
Jesus "is the beginning of the creation by God."

Paul ADDED, Jesus is the first born of every creature"
Madam, answer the question:
Is the first born of every child still a child?
Yes
Therefore,Jesus the first born of every creature is ALWAYS a creature.


Madam spilling GIBBERISH.
You invented that quote in your head, the Greek word at Colossians 2:9 is theotes,NOT Theos. (Screenshot evidence)

Madam , what do you gain by LYING?

Janosky:
Theos ("God" ) is not in the Greek manuscript of 1 Timothy 3:16.
Your Trinitarian mentors smuggled,ADDED "God" into that verse 16.
Go & verify that fact to cure your delusion.

Colossians 2:9 "fullness of deity" meaning "fullness of a god".
In Greek language deity means "a god. ".
Did Colossians 2:9 say "fullness of God Almighty?"

Not at all.

Madam, go and educate yourself.
Stop deceiving yourself spilling GIBBERISH.

You don't understand. The quote is from JW Bible verbatim, word for word.
Notice they didn't change it to "a god" as they did in John 1.
See it below.

Add to that these quotes:
Colossians 1:16 - God created EVRRYTHING through his beloved Son, Jesus Christ.

John 1:3 - ALL things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made

You could say these are mere words that could have been manipulated.
So above everything, add 2000+ years of glorious worship!

GothamCities:
Lol.

Thanks for shutting them up using their own doctored Bible. They know they have no answers but rather than sit down and examine the falsehoods in their hands, they'll keep going on in their delusions because they want to please the men of their organization and avoid being excommunicated.

Is it not rather good to be excommunicated by man than to be excommunicated by God?

You quite welcome my brother. Something that's GLARINGLY obvious!

Image123:
We never had a scientific argument, talk less of winning or losing one.

So what do you call what we were doing when you told me miracles were involved in Noah and arc?

gohf:
You are always feeling wise in your folly.
But how can Jehovah who was ALONE have a son?
So how can Jehovah who according to you was alone create the whole universe?

I don't agree with JW but your error is also glaring

You said "create", didn’t you?
Here's the Bible:
Colossians 1:16 - God created EVRRYTHING through his beloved Son, Jesus Christ.

John 1:3 - ALL things were made by Him; and without Him was not any thing made that was made

Are you saying he was part of the everything that HE HIMSELF created?

MaxInDHouse:
Suit yourself, i'm not your brother, i can't be your brother and i can never ever be your brother o!

It is NOT up to you. This is a very tiny planet, populated entirely by two people and their offsprings. Whether you like it or not they're your brothers

madridguy:
The reason behind his assassination is now very clear. The Nigeria system needs to step seriously. This is the reason why many people don't report some crimes going on within them.

Smugglers are just like armed robbers, they're very terrible beasts that can do anything especially in a country like Nigeria.

How I wish the man still get other odenshi for body, as they shoot him wey no enter, e suppose get something to disappear or other thing.

May God comfort his loved ones.

@bolded, see what an educated person believes in Nigeria. Why then won't he believe head of a girl will bring him billions? This country is gone. I must get out!

Image123:
We didn't start talking with THIS conversation, did we. We've been talking for years i suppose. i asked you the science angle and your requirements in THIS conversation. i have been telling you about faith and your huge misuse of your faith for years. Your faith is in science, it doesn't have to be limited to this like i always said. It's what i tried explaining to DaddyCoool.

And I accepted your explanation indicating you've lost the scientific argument while conceding I lost the holistic argument. (Holistic includes things science can't explain, things we don't know, things we know wrong, and things we don't know that we don't know)

GothamCities, below is my post that shut up
Janosky and MaxInDHouse :

DaddyCoool:
But how can Jehovah who was ALONE have a son? Have you ever asked yourself that? Can't you see that the "son" can only be part of Jehovah, Jehovah himself?
Your JW Bible (NWT) agrees that "in the beginning was the Word" NOT that "the Word came into being or was created in the beginning". The Word pre-existed the beginning and was ALWAYS with God!

Also, your JW NWT says in Collosians 2:9 "For in Christ lives all the fullness of God in a human body." This is your own JW doctored Bible admitting these o