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abba190b:
that is why I decided to quit. I sold all the things I own and start thinking negatively on how to source money to feed my gambling addiction.



I quit. I have no doubt about it
I know the negative consequences of gambling.
Its,crystal clear there is no life in it
A lucrative venture will not be advertised the way this bookies are advertising and urging people to come and play, any smart person will understand that they are the ones at the profit end

Thing is, these things are deeper than we think but...
Good luck

abba190b:
I have made the final decision and for your own info I started betting end,of 2022 so quitting is very possible for me.

I prayed for ya

abba190b:
you will keep waiting

It is only a matter of time. You think these things are up to you but they are not. Just be honest

gohf:
and who are you to judge if I had humility or not, and what business have you with my humility.

In your arrogance you have shown yourself ignorant, without shame you are desiring for the truth to be silent.

I do not care to show that you are wrong, God will judge but what you have said is wrong and evil.

You lie against all those who wrote the Bible that you probably hardly study. Jesus said you do not know God's word nor God's power but instead of being silent and listening to God you have rejected His word.

Do you think my being silent would stop what is true from being true.

Not once have you ever shown yourself as one who depends on God's spirit yet you speak of humility when you lack it in face of your errors

Well, I'm humble enough to know the limits of my knowledge. I am the FTC of this thread and that my post that is first on this thread asked the OP, GothamCities, why Christ did not know everything. This my question led many, including your fellow JW Janosky, to assume I did not believe Jesus was God. This led to OP declaring that Jesus was not fully God. Surprisingly to them I corrected him that Bible says Christ was fully God. Sonmvayina then came in...
If I were controlled by pride like you I would have pig-headedly insisted that Christ knew everything

Nachmonides:
What do you also have to say about this?

gohf he's asking you about this below

Nachmonides:
In Revelation 22:16 :  “I, Jesus, sent my angel to testify to you about these things for the churches. I am the root and the descendant of David, the bright morning star.”

After V.13 says;  "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

gohf:
you have Google I have the Holy Spirit, wisdom and sense from God.

Use it maybe it will lead you somewhere

If you had HUMILITY you'd have stopped arguing by now. It is only PRIDE that's preventing you from admitting you're wrong.
Christ is obviously God. It is all over the Bible. Except, he is NOT the Father!

Nachmonides:
You went through stress.

John 1:1 was enough for me to know that one was deceptive.





The Context of Revelation 1:12-18: After Revelation 1:8,
John turns to see the voice speaking to him and describes a vision of Jesus. In Revelation 1:13-16, the figure John sees is clearly Jesus, with descriptions like "one like a son of man" (which is a title Jesus often used for Himself), and the physical traits (e.g., a robe, a golden sash, white hair, and eyes like flames of fire) match the imagery given for Jesus in other parts of the New Testament (e.g., the Gospels and Daniel 7).


Jesus' Self-Identification in Revelation: Later in Revelation 22:13, Jesus Himself says, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End." This is the same title used in Revelation 1:8. When Jesus identifies Himself this way, it is clear that He is claiming divine attributes of eternity and sovereignty, which aligns with the "Lord God" described in 1:8.

Are you saying AI that goes through millions of pages to present the right answer, is lying?

gohf:
And here again is another lie from one who refuses to see the truth

Here is what is actually written

Rev.1.8 "I am the Alpha and the Omega--the beginning and the end," says the Lord God. "I am the one who is, who always was, and who is still to come, the Almighty One." (NLT)

Says who, God himself the Father

But when the son is revealed this what John saw and wrote

Rev.1.13 - And standing in the middle of the lampstands was the Son of Man. He was wearing a long robe with a gold sash across his chest.
Rev.1.14 - His head and his hair were white like wool, as white as snow. And his eyes were bright like flames of fire.
Rev.1.15 - His feet were as bright as bronze refined in a furnace, and his voice thundered like mighty ocean waves.
Rev.1.16 - He held seven stars in his right hand, and a sharp two-edged sword came from his mouth. And his face was as bright as the sun in all its brilliance.
Rev.1.17 - When I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. But he laid his right hand on me and said, "Don't be afraid! I am the First and the Last.
Rev.1.18 - I am the living one who died. Look, I am alive forever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and the grave.


Jesus the first and the last, the only one who is our Lord, our Christ, the one who died.

And in none of the introduction to the seven churches does Jesus introduce himself as God.

Let him post them out, for those patient enough to gain understanding and wisdom from God

Rev.2.1 "Write this letter to the angel of the church in Ephesus. This is the message from the one who holds the seven stars in his right hand, the one who walks among the seven gold lampstands:

Rev.2.8 "Write this letter to the angel of the church in Smyrna. This is the message from the one who is the First and the Last, who died and is alive:

Rev.2.12 "Write this letter to the angel of the church in Pergamum. This is the message from the one who has a sharp two-edged sword:

Rev.2.18 "Write this letter to the angel of the church in Thyatira. This is the message from the Son of God, whose eyes are bright like flames of fire, whose feet are like polished bronze:

Jesus here CALLS HIMSELF THE SON OF GOD

Rev.3.1 "And to the angel of the church in Sardis write, "These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: "I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead.

Now for those who keep saying the Spirit of God is God so therefore equal to trinity, you forgot to add the seven spirits of God o

Rev.3.7 "Write this letter to the angel of the church in Philadelphia. This is the message from the one who is holy and true. He is the one who has the key of David. He opens doors, and no one can shut them; he shuts doors, and no one can open them. (NLT)

Rev.3.14 "Write this letter to the angel of the church in Laodicea. This is the message from the one who is the Amen--the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation: (NLT)

Then the next chapter John saw a revelation of God, he saw One sitting on a throne
Rev.4.8 Each of these living beings had six wings, and their wings were covered with eyes, inside and out. Day after day and night after night they keep on saying, "Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty--the one who always was, who is, and who is still to come."
And the 24 elders
Rev.4.11 "You are worthy, O Lord our God, to receive glory and honor and power. For you created everything, and it is for your pleasure that they exist and were created."

Rev.5.1 And I saw a scroll in the right hand of the one who was sitting on the throne. There was writing on the inside and the outside of the scroll, and it was sealed with seven seals.



Will they read this, or will they avoid it. Those who want to be saved will not avoid the truth they will run to it and forsake all
Rev.5.5 - But one of the twenty-four elders said to me, "Stop weeping! Look, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the heir to David's throne, has conquered. He is worthy to open the scroll and break its seven seals."
Rev.5.6 - I looked and I saw a Lamb that had been killed but was now standing between the throne and the four living beings and among the twenty-four elders. He had seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God that are sent out into every part of the earth.
Rev.5.9 - And they sang a new song with these words: "You are worthy to take the scroll and break its seals and open it. For you were killed, and your blood has ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation.
Rev.5.10 - And you have caused them to become God's Kingdom and his priests. And they will reign on the earth."


Did I not quote this already, this verse 12, now before God whom I stand I speak these words and anyone who calls it a lie let it be recorded against them. The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom but fools love their own ways.

I speak with authority and boldness of the one who sent me.

Rev.5.12 - And they sang in a mighty chorus: "The Lamb is worthy--the Lamb who was killed. He is worthy to receive power and riches and wisdom and strength and honor and glory and blessing."


But then they didn't worship him alone but God who was the one sitting on the throne and the lamb, verse 13.

Then God spoke in Rev.21.5 - And the one sitting on the throne said, "Look, I am making all things new!" And then he said to me, "Write this down, for what I tell you is trustworthy and true."
Rev.21.6 - And he also said, "It is finished! I am the Alpha and the Omega--the Beginning and the End. To all who are thirsty I will give the springs of the water of life without charge!
Rev.21.7 - All who are victorious will inherit all these blessings, and I will be their God, and they will be my children.
Rev.21.8 - But cowards who turn away from me, and unbelievers, and the corrupt, and murderers, and the immoral, and those who practice witchcraft, and idol worshipers, and all liars--their doom is in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur. This is the second death."


And God spoke again in Revelation 22
Rev.22.12 - "See, I am coming soon, and my reward is with me, to repay all according to their deeds.
Rev.22.13 - I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
Rev.22.14 - Blessed are those who wash their robes so they can enter through the gates of the city and eat the fruit from the tree of life.
Rev.22.15 - Outside the city are the dogs--the sorcerers, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idol worshipers, and all who love to live a lie.


Then the Lamb, Jesus, beside God spoke,
Rev.22.16 - "I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you this message for the churches. I am both the source of David and the heir to his throne. I am the bright morning star."



Are you still going to deny God's word?

gohf:
Because it is a lie from the pit of hell.l.

I googled it for you. See below. Do you now agree??
Once again, why can't you accept the simple TRUTH that Christ is God but NOT the Father??!!.
Nachmonides

abba190b:
I will ever do that

Please keep us posted when you open your new account.
Let's see how long this lasts

gohf:
don't ask me questions ignoring God's word that has been spoken like an evil spirit seeking whom to misled.

You make me laugh. Why can't you accept the simple TRUTH that Christ is God but NOT the Father??!!. If you say Christ is not God, then why is he being worshipped?? And why is the Father not jealous at all, as He would be with Baal, Shiva, etc. And if you say he is not God then why has the Father empowered those that have been worshipping him as God all these centuries. Unless you are saying the Father is powerless. Is that what you're saying?
These are facts! HISTORY people have actually lived through NOT some arcane words in a much edited and manipulated book!

gohf:
the word of God brings life and God verifies His word through the works He does.

So you do believe God is active and not idle and powerless and can NEVER allow another be worshipped as God with Him for over 2000 years against His will?

SIRTee15:
Ok, your question bothers around dynamics of forgiveness by God.
Why can't God just forgive instead of going thru the process of self sacrifice?


Is this your query? I want to be clear b4 I answer.

Of course it is my question.
Why sacrifice?

gohf:
Is it not a pity that you left God's word for this?

What exactly is God's word and how are you sure what is God's word?

SIRTee15:
The history of nicea isn't that straightforward dear.
Lots of churches and Christians remained Unitarian after nicea council and rejected the trinity. Some even formed their own sects.
Part of those sects living in middle east came up with Islam.
The next emperor of Roman empire after Constantine actually rejected trinity and insisted Unitarian Christianity would be the official religion and trinitarian priests were persecuted.

Trinity didn't become mainstream until 600 years after nicene council.
As I said earlier, U do t need nicene or church fathers to believe in trinity.
Honesty and common sense is all U need to see trinity in the bible.
The scripture loudly shouts trinity.

Bottom line: after all the ups and downs, what ultimately triumphed?? Whatever that is is usually the will of God. That's how God usually works. It may at first seem like the wrong thing is winning, but ultimately, the will of God prevails.
Even durring Christ's time there were dozens of messiahs and he told them to watch who lasts.

Nachmonides, SIRTee15, Steep, gohf

FINAL WORD ON THIS TOPIC

It has been over 2 thousand years. Churches that worship Jesus Christ as God have gone from strength to strength. At Nicea the bishops prayed that God guide their deliberations and help them arrive at the right conclusion - these were people who knew the Bible better than any of us. We must assume that God was in those deliberations and therefore part of the conclusion they arrived at - which would explain why it has sustained and only gotten stronger.
Folks, these things have been debated ad infinitum by people much wiser, holier, and much more knowledgeable than us.
Bottom line:
Since YHWH has been intimately involved from beginning till now, unless we are ready to say that He doesn't exist, or no longer exists, or exists but is powerless, or exists but doesn't care, we must assume that what has triumphed is NOT something that is against His will.

Nachmonides:
Why would God even command for the lamb or Jesus to be worshipped at all, whether as God or whatever?

It is inconsistent with his character replete in scriptures.
His character has always been not to worship any other besides him, no other, no one else.

God had never permitted anyone to worship anything else but himself, so this would be the first time in scripture as per your inference.
This is odd.

Scriptures clearly says he will never yield his glory. Yet he's permitting his creation to worship Jesus.

gohf there can be ONLY one reason this can be so - Christ is equally God, worthy of worship, though NOT the Father, AND the usually jealous Father is not at all jealous of him being worshipped BECAUSE he sees him as part of himself, a continuation of himself!

gohf:
I will repeat it again, ignore it at the cost of your own soul.

The lamb of God was worshipped and is worshipped as commanded by God and as recorded in revelation but he was never and is NEVER worshipped as God.

None of you have answered what is worship? If you knew that you would also understand why a fellow SERVANT refused worship.

We are servants of Lord Jesus the son of God and we worship him, and we worship the Father God who created ALL.

Eph.1.22 And God has put all things under the authority of Christ, and he gave him this authority for the benefit of the church.

And Even at that they understood
1Cor.15.27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
1Cor.15.28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Even though I quote 90% out of the Bible who would even understand 😪 instead would you not look for another angel to reject God and His word

But when you say Christ "is NEVER worshipped as God", you are LYING. He is being worshipped as God in many denominations of Christianity and has been for thousands of years, AND THE FATHER HAS ALLOWED IT!!

gohf:
a fool says in her heart there no God (but gods), for she doesn't understand nor does she seek God.

But even if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing, whose minds the god of this age has blinded, who do not believe, lest the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine on them. For we do not preach ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord, and ourselves your bondservants for Jesus' sake.

For Instead of believing what is the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies...

I honestly don't understand you. How many times in the Bible and even in other religions have people tried to worship another person? They are usually rebuffed with "Don’t worship me, I am not God" or "You should worship only God"?

Once again, define God for us

gohf:
How can anyone read worshiped as the lamb of God and never worshipped as God, and find a contradiction if what is in such a person is not contradictory?

My prayer that it is not, but a mistake and that you need to read it again and see what exactly I WROTE

But same you also wrote:

Jesus was never worshipped

I hope this is not some sort of mental issue.

Anyway just define God for us and on what basis you arrived at that definition

gohf:
When I told you before did you understand?

I will repeat it JESUS IS THE SON OF GOD he is not God the Son or God.

If you can't accept what is revealed as the truth then you accept what is a lie.

Anyone who doesn't understand what I say is because they do not understand God's word, a bunch of bible verses you say, did you read them and study them. Did you invest your time and pray for the Holy Spirit to teach them to you.

The words Jesus gave they are spirit and they are life. Jesus said in John.8.31 - Jesus said to the people who believed in him, "You are truly my disciples if you keep obeying my teachings.
John.8.32 - And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free."


If you reject what Jesus said, you are not his disciples and if you are not his disciples then you do not know the truth and if whatever you know is a lie how can you be set free?

Ok, but same you also wrote this:

Have you not read that he commanded his angels to worship him. Have you not read revelations where the lamb of God was worshipped

So can you please give us your definition of God and on what basis it is the definition, and what qualifies you to come up with that definition

gohf:
my post wasn't about whether or not angels knew everything, don't be cunny

Is that your attempt to answer or rebuff what I said here
"if only God is to be worshipped then why does God need to command the angels to worship a being who being God already deserves worship. Why then was God and the lamb of God worshipped in revelations. You assume that because he is worshipped he is God, yet even while he is worshipped he is never called God."

The declaration of worship is NOT tied to any silly incarnation logic of yours but a command from God. Whether you choose to undermines it as, "a general declaration or not a general declaration" is a reflection of you continuous rejection of what is written as it regards what your opinion is.

Stop sprouting your personal nonsense we decided to go scripture, so what is this, "The idea of worshiping Jesus is tied to His dual nature: He is both fully God and fully man. As God, He is deserving of worship. As a man, He received worship to reveal His true identity, the God-man, to both the angels and humanity."

While I continue to use even the very verses you quote you ignore them later blatantly

What EXACTLY is your position on this topic? Just state it clearly without throwing in a bunch of Bible verses.
Because, honestly (and I'm sure I'm not the only one) it is not clear what your position is

gohf:
You speak of allowance as if it was not God that commanded, do you even know the scripture or the gospel? Have you not read that he commanded his angels to worship him. Have you not read revelations where the lamb of God was worshipped.

You sound like as if God was allowing money or Satan to be worshipped, so does that mean because it can be worshipped it is god, should we also say well God left people to worship false gods so they are probably other gods as well.

Jesus was never worshipped and is never worshipped as God, he is our Lord and husband crowned with eternal glory and majesty by God YHVh his and our Father.

Maybe it's me so I'm inviting others to take a look.
Aren't these two statements contradictory?

Have you not read that he commanded his angels to worship him. Have you not read revelations where the lamb of God was worshipped.

And

Jesus was never worshipped and is never worshipped as God

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SIRTee15:
I'm not sure I fully understand your question.

But the work of atonement by God is a self sacrifice from him to safe humanity. It doesn't involve another being.

Self sacrifice is different from human sacrifice.

Jesus who is God in flesh sacrificed himself for us.

It's not like the Father created a fully separate human being and send him to the world to die for our sins.
That would depicts the pagan practice of sacrificing humans to appease their deity.

Jesus is human with fullness of father's divinity in him. He's not a separate being from the Father.

Oh, my question is quite clear. Here it is again:
WHY is the Father sacrificing at all when He could simply forgive without any self-sacrifice? It would make sense if there were another entity involved that required sacrifice to be appeased

Janosky:
Thanks for your comments.

When you examine Isaiah 6:8, Yahweh said "whom shall I send?
Who will go for Us?"
("Us" @Isaiah 6:8 proves that "Us " @ Genesis 1:26 is not 3 persons. )

If you compare Isaiah 6:8 with Psalm 103:20,you would understand this truth that Yahweh the Most High God, (the term "Most High" meaning Only One Being is Supreme ) Himself does not go to perform any assignment.
Rather, Yahweh sends lesser beings in heaven to do the job.
@ John 3:16, John 14:24,28, John 5:37 Jesus Christ provided the proof in agreement with Psalm 103:20& & Isaiah 6:8.
The scriptural evidence is God Himself did not come to the earth but His son was sent. Romans 8:3.
Revelation 1:1 & 19:6,10, Yahweh gave the message to Jesus in heaven to give the angel sent to John .
The message from heaven is "
Worship the God Almighty "

Worship was not meant for Jesus.
Revelation 1:1 and Revelation 19:5-10 is the evidence.
Thanks.
Shalom .

Thanks 4 your response.
Maybe you missed the crux of the question. Here it is again:
Don’t you think it is only God that could have restored a Person from all that (He was literally DEAD!) to a position of being worshipped as God, and that it would never have been possible if God had not approved of it, and definitely would not have lasted these thousands of years?

See, if this were 50 AD, we could be saying let's wait and see. And remember, nothing provokes the wrath of YHWH like trying to worship another alongside Him. Don't you think that for Him to resurrect a dead Person and allow His being worshipped as God for thousands of years says something about where He stands on the issue?

I just don't understand how a person can set out to scam another human being

haphizz57:
Swear u neva chop man transport or airtime b4.
2/4 no issue

Shut up!
Are they nearly the same thing AT ALL? Nonsense.
One is opportunistic and does not impact the victim much. The other laid elaborate plans with several accomplices to dupe someone of their life savings - something you know could ruin their lives or even lead to suicide

Janosky:
No mind that guy denying the holy scriptures.
Did he remove Matthew 27:46 and Romans 8:3 from his own Bible?

But boss have you ever considered:
If Christ were not God worthy of worship, just look at all that had to happen for Him to be in that position, then ask yourself if man is really capable of doing all that. Remember, He was totally FINISHED. Not only was he DEAD, his very few followers had scattered/denied him. He had no money, no connections, not even a church building or even a home. Don’t you think it is only God that could have restored a Person from all that to a position of being worshipped as God, and that it would never have been possible if God had not approved of it, and definitely would not have lasted these thousands of years?

abba190b:
I will never do that

😅That's what they ALL say

Congratulations
But when you get small money all the trouble you'd go through to open a new account eh

SIRTee15:
The bone of contention here is whether the son is another existence from the Father.
Christians don't believe the son is another existence/being from the Father because that would mean there are two Gods.
We believe in one God, not 2 or 3.

So the issue of father sacrificing his son does not arise at all. It's a meaningless argument not backed by any Christian theology.

My question is, WHY is the Father sacrificing at all when it's only Him involved - it would make sense if there were another person involved that needed to be appeased

gohf:
🤣 editing what I wrote.

He came from everlasting doesn't mean he always existed.

That's how eve went to change what God said and got deceived

I assumed it was a mistake. So YOU actually edited the Bible? Wow!!
OK, what does everlasting mean in your special brand of English Language?

gohf:
what you said
" so there, you have your answer. And that’s why he is God"

Where did you find "your answer"

Why he is God?

Who wrote this below? Didn’t I tell you that ONLY God could have always existed?

gohf:
He came from everlasting because he came from God

Did John not write In the beginning was the word and the word was with God and the word was God