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Proudlyngwa:
Gen Alpha

Now I know why my son is behaving like he owns the house


And Our last born Gen Z is behaving like Agric Okuko

They're both Gen Z. Nothing like Gen Alpha. Next to emerge will be Gen AI

naptu2:
Babies that were born immediately after World War 2 are called Baby Boomers..

Konquest:
Very well said!

But they were called that because there was a baby boom (unusually high birthrate) IN THE WEST (especially US) durring that period.
No such unusually high birthrate (baby boom) occurred in Nigeria and Africa!

sonmvayina:
That does not even make any sense...how do you guys get your head around all these bull ship.

Even the passages from the Hebrew scriptures speak of God in the singular...(I am....)

Why is it hard for you guys to accept that Christianity is a lie and was only created to deceive...?

Do you realize that what you are implying about God of the Old Testament is one of three things: either He doesn't exist, or He no longer exists, or he still exists but is now powerless

Steep:
Smh so if christ has the fullness of God's deity does not that make him God?
If an animal has the full nature of a lion doesnt that make that animal a lion?
Christ having the fullness of God's nature means he can do everything the father can do, it also means he is uncreated because that is one of the attributes of God's nature.
Paul attributed God's very essence to christ making christ same being with the father.

Which raises a question:
When Christ was crucified was the Father also crucified?

Nachmonides:
You have not been reading what has been happening here.

You are expecting to see "I know everything the Father knows"

That's a logical fallacy.

Clearly, you are the one being fallacious.
Someone said clearly and in no uncertain terms, and more than once, that he did not know everything another person knew. Instead of honestly taking Him at His words, you are doing all sorts of contoutous twisting to arrive at that He knew but at same time didn't know.
I honestly believe Christ is God, but there are aspects of spirituality beyond our understanding. One of them is that Christ, though fully God, is NOT and cannot be the Father!

Nachmonides:
Why would Jesus say "no one knows but the Father"?

This alludes or relates to Jesus' role during His earthly ministry. While Jesus is fully God and fully man, Philippians 2:6-7 explains that He "emptied Himself" (often called the kenosis), voluntarily limiting the independent exercise of His divine attributes to fully embrace humanity.

Humanity and humility: As a man, Jesus chose not to access certain aspects of divine knowledge. His statement shows submission to the Father’s will, aligning with His mission on Earth.

Role distinction: In the Trinity, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit have distinct roles. Jesus consistently presented the Father as the ultimate source of authority, reflecting the unity and order within the Godhead.


2. Why wouldn’t those asking Him know that only the Father knows, whereas Jesus knew?

Cultural Context: In Jewish thought, the "day or hour" often referred to the coming of the Messiah or the Day of the Lord, which was seen as an unknowable event. Even so, the disciples still hoped Jesus might provide specific clarity or reveal more than what was traditionally understood.

Misunderstanding Jesus’ Role: The disciples often misunderstood aspects of Jesus’ mission and His statements (e.g., Matthew 16:21-23). They might have expected Jesus, as the Messiah, to reveal everything about the end times.

Jesus’ Teaching Style: Jesus often taught in ways that revealed truths progressively. By stating that "only the Father knows," He emphasized reliance on God’s timing and discouraged speculation.

GothamCities:
In Acts 1:7, He clarified but you ignored and decided to maintain your faulty stand. Is that right?

You thought He didn't know everything but after He's clarification, you could see He knows everything as the Father. He is the Word of God and the Wisdom of God, how can He not know? You're mixing clearly defined roles and responsibilities with ability.

All these long theses and epistles!
Christ simply said He did not know the time, that only the Father knew. Elsewhere He said He only said what the Father TAUGHT him. He never said He already knew everything the Father knew but decided not to know so that the Father would then teach Him!

CJStarz:
My thoughts, exactly

Yep, nothing like Gen Alpha. I believe what is emerging and will eventually emerge is "Gen AI"

GothamCities:
After He said that, did He clarify the reason?

What else do you want Him to clarify?
He just explicitly told you, without mincing words, that He did NOT know everything

Nachmonides:
It has been explained up there.

I wrote 2 texts concerning it yesterday, and the 3rd today, about an hour ago; the one you refused to read.

Just summarize for us dummies.
How does that statement NOT mean that the Son does not know everything

DarkJeddi:
And who is preventing you from projecting them?

Where did Indomie Generation start and when did it finish?

What is the difference between Pre Biafra war and Independence Generation?

Sort yourself out before looking for wetin no loss..

That's why this is flawed. Gens are organic. They don't start and end at exact times or years. You just wake up one day and realize the people of the day are somehow different from those of immediate past.
Pre-Biafra war generation starts around independence up to around the end of the war.
Independence generation experienced struggle for independence and were in their prime when it arrived

Nachmonides:
That's not what it says.

You shouldn't engage in such conversations; scriptural conversations, if you're not ready to read extensively and explain extensively.

You that have read extensively, please patiently explain to us what this says:

"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only"

DarkJeddi:
How will much be known of Generation Alpha when they are still kids?🤦🏽
What did you know of Gen Z ,12 years ago?
It's Gen Z turn make them enjoy their youth,everything na turn by turn..

Gens are not man made. There is no Gen Alpha. They are all Gen Z. What is emerging and will emerge is Gen AI

maasoap:
You can do better by classifying them according to their range of years just like they did to the one above. What is worth doing is worth doing better

WRONG!
Real generations appear organically. It is NOT something you can make up. We all know there's no such thing as Gen Alpha. Likewise, only time will tell if there'd be a Gen Beta (which I think really ought be caled Gen AI). BTW, all these pertain ONLY to the West (especially US).
Comming to Nigeria there's clearly a generation that experienced full colonialism, then those that experienced struggle for independence, then those that experienced the good days before oil and war and coups, then those that experienced war, then those born after the war, those of the oil boom and prosperity of 70's and 80's, Ndomie generation. Right now Buhari/Tinubu hardship generation is formulating!

Nachmonides:
Hello there, there are many perspectives that respond to your argument.

1. Kenosis (Self-Limitation of Christ)

The doctrine of kenosis (Philippians 2:6-7) teaches that Jesus, in His incarnation, voluntarily limited certain divine attributes, including His omniscience, to fully experience human nature. Proponents of this view argue that Jesus was not all-knowing during His earthly ministry because He willingly chose not to exercise that aspect of His divine nature.


2. Two Natures of Christ (Hypostatic Union)

This view asserts that Jesus has two natures—fully God and fully human. While His divine nature remained omniscient, His human nature might not have had access to all divine knowledge. In Matthew 24:36, it is argued that Jesus is speaking from His human nature, not His divine nature.


3. Progressive Revelation

Some suggest that during His earthly ministry, Jesus revealed truths progressively as appropriate for the time. At that moment, He might not have disclosed the knowledge of the day and hour because it wasn't part of His mission to do so.


4. Functional Subordination

This perspective highlights the relational dynamics within the Trinity during Jesus' earthly ministry. The Son submits to the Father functionally but remains equal in essence. In this context, the "not knowing" might refer to Jesus' role and mission rather than an absolute lack of knowledge.


5. Mystery of the Trinity

The nature of the Trinity (Father, Son, Holy Spirit) involves complexities that transcend human understanding. Some argue that such passages reflect this mystery and cannot be fully resolved through human reasoning.


Counterpoint to the Argument :

While Matthew 24:36 might suggest a limitation in knowledge, broader biblical evidence affirms Jesus' divinity and omniscience. For instance:

John 2:25 says Jesus "knew what was in each person."

Colossians 2:3 describes Him as the one "in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge."

Jesus' Omniscience Demonstrated Elsewhere in Scripture

John 16:30: The disciples declare, "Now we know that you know all things and do not need anyone to question you." This acknowledgment reflects their understanding of Jesus' omniscience.

John 21:17: Peter confesses, "Lord, you know all things; you know that I love you."

These statements show that Jesus' omniscience was recognized during His ministry, suggesting that Matthew 24:36 does not contradict His divine knowledge but highlights a specific context of His mission.

The Son as the Revealer of Divine Knowledge

Matthew 11:27: "No one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him." This demonstrates that the Son possesses unique divine knowledge shared with the Father, affirming His omniscience.

Jesus often reveals divine truths to His disciples (e.g., predictions of His death and resurrection), showcasing His role as the mediator of God's will. The statement in Matthew 24:36 may reflect not an absolute lack of knowledge but His role in withholding that specific revelation.

The Cultural and Theological Context of the Passage

In Jewish wedding traditions, the exact timing of the wedding feast was determined by the father of the groom, and no one else, not even the groom, was expected to know. Jesus' reference to "only the Father" could have been a culturally resonant metaphor to illustrate the unpredictability of the end times, rather than a literal admission of ignorance.


Scriptural Evidence of Selective Disclosure

Acts 1:7: After His resurrection, Jesus tells His disciples, "It is not for you to know times or dates the Father has set by His own authority." This suggests that certain aspects of divine knowledge are intentionally not disclosed to humanity, even by Jesus Himself. The limitation in Matthew 24:36 could be about the purpose of His revelation rather than His inherent knowledge.

The Son’s Voluntary Submission to the Father

Hebrews 5:8: "Although He was a Son, He learned obedience through what He suffered." This highlights the Son's role in submission during His earthly ministry. The "not knowing" in Matthew 24:36 can be understood as part of this submission, not a denial of His divine attributes.

John 6:38: "For I have come down from heaven not to do My will but to do the will of Him who sent Me." Jesus consistently emphasized His alignment with the Father's will, which may include deferring the revelation of certain truths.

Foreknowledge of Events in Jesus’ Ministry

Jesus accurately predicted events that required divine omniscience:

The destruction of the Temple (Matthew 24:2).

Peter’s denial (Matthew 26:34).

Judas’ betrayal (John 13:26-27).

The precise circumstances of His death and resurrection (Mark 8:31).


Such foreknowledge underscores that Jesus was not limited in knowledge but chose to disclose only what aligned with His mission.

The Unity of the Trinity

John 10:30: "I and the Father are one." This statement emphasizes the unity of purpose and essence between the Father and the Son, making it unlikely that the Son could be truly ignorant of something known to the Father.

The apparent "not knowing" in Matthew 24:36 may be a relational statement within the Trinity, emphasizing the Father's role in the divine plan rather than a literal limitation in the Son’s knowledge.

Post-Resurrection Omniscience

After His resurrection, Jesus’ divine authority is fully emphasized:

Matthew 28:18: "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me."

This authority implies full access to divine knowledge and power. If there were a temporary limitation during His earthly ministry, it no longer applies post-resurrection, affirming His eternal omniscience.


The Purpose of Matthew 24:36

The purpose of the statement may not be to emphasize a lack of knowledge but to direct attention to the unpredictability of the end times and the need for constant vigilance. The focus is on the disciples’ preparedness, not on the metaphysics of Jesus’ knowledge.

Thus, reconciling Matthew 24:36 with the broader theological context requires understanding Jesus' earthly mission and the interplay between His divine and human natures.

I don't have to read all this to know it all boils down to the same thing:
Christ at that point did NOT know everything.
Even if you write a whole encyclopedia on it, that'd still be the bottom line

maivd:
They will usher in their own lifestyle overshadowing gen z

Real generations appear organically. It is NOT something you can make up. We all know there's no such thing as Gen Alpha. Likewise, only time will tell if there'd be a Gen Beta. BTW, all these pertain ONLY to the West (especially US).

bukatyne:
This is actually very cool and relatable.

No mind them. They ought say "IN USA" :
"These are the named generations IN USA!!!"

Thunderfayamods:
Ignorant mofo! Where did I mention to you that a judge should decide for them? Are this dull in comprehension?
What do you know about employment in the US? Do you live in the US? You sound like someone who is not up to 25 years!
Come over here and commit crime and let it get into your records and let us see if you will be employed. Have ever in your life heard of what is called "background check"? Like you said out 1,000 employer maybe only one will employ you. You can't even rent house in most places with bad back ground! Ignorant set of people!

WHAT the heck is this guy yapping about??!!
You CAN employ ANYBODY you wish in US no matter their criminal record. It is ENTIRELY up to you the employer!!! Simple!
Dullard, saying a felon can't be President is tantamount to a judge deciding who can be President

Thunderfayamods:
You don't even know what you are talking about! We are not talking about the judge but his party the Republican party. How will the Republican party choose a convicted felon to represent them!
You should be ashamed of yourself with your last sentence " They should be given the OPTION to choose a convicted axe murderer if they so wish"
But I bet you are one of those crucifying Tinubu. You people are hypocrites!
I don't know which part of the world you are living but here in the US you can't get a job anywhere if you are a convicted felon or you have any bad thing on your record. So why should Trump exempted? Of we know why except people like you.

You are talking pure nonsense. Total nonsense.
You can say Tinubu is no good BUT you can't deny Nigerians the RIGHT to elect a Tinubu if they so wish.
Likewise any group of people (country, party, etc) has a right to choose anybody as their leader. It shouldn't be up to a judge to decide for them.
Finally, you're lying. In US it is entirely up to the employer to decide if they want to employ you whatever your criminal record may be!

BABANGBALI:
What happens to his manhood sorry I meant mandate if he is found guilty?

Someone can be President from jail. See below

CJStarz:
Gen Z come even outshine Gen Alpha as not much is known about them.
Gen Z bad pass all of the other Gens. Even in their old age, dem go still dey eat indomie dey misbehave.

Because there is actually no Gen Alpha. They're all Gen Z. Nothing like a seperate Gen of 2013 to 2024

TOPCRUISE:
Something I don't understand is how they get husband and have children. The current record holder of 919 men has been married since 1995 and has children. And will not be surprising when a man propose to this one after breaking the record.

Dey play. Her husband and children would be her greatest fans and her husband manager of her fan club

Ishilove:
This is woman is very damaged. Not physically, but psychologically and spiritually

Maybe physically too - she said she recently did 300 men.
Buut she now has the fame she wants, and you don't. How else could such a person be famous

GothamCities:
Quote the scriptures where He said He didn't know.

Na wa for you o.
What have we been discussing all this time??

Matthew 24:36 New International Version (NIV)
"But concerning that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only"

No matter semantic tricks you try, you can't read that and still honestly say the Son was all-knowing at that point. Simple

Thunderfayamods:
Did any judge deny them? He he not being elected?
You can even give a good response to his questions. Why would a convicted person contest an election?

JohnSP99:
Is it then right for them to choose a fraudulent person as president. If it was in Nigeria I repeat we would have made a lot of noise about it, less I forget we did the same thing to Tinubu o, just that the man played all is political move to overcome. So it's just not right at all

This is so simple. A judge (one person) SHOULD NOT decide who 300 million people can choose as their president. They should be given the OPTION to choose a convicted axe murderer if they so wish!

Nonsense.
Baby Boomers are 20 years while some are less than 10 years
Also, these are generations according to the West especially US.
In Nigeria we have Ndomie generation, Pre and Post Biafra war generations, Independence generation, Colonial generation, Japa generation, etc

GothamCities:
Do you want to contrast something physical with something abstract?

Meaning?
Christ said simply that he didn't know the date of the second comming, NOT that he could know but chose not to. If he wanted to say that he would have - there was no limit on the number of words he could use!

Janosky:
Oga,
@ Colossians 2:9 is Paul writing about Jesus Christ a spirit person with fullness of divine nature who sits in heaven at God's right hand?

Oga,use your brain nah .
Colossians 2:9 and Colossians 3:1 is not rocket science.

If Paul wanted to write Spirit Person he'd have written it. That's NOT what he wrote

GothamCities:
I disagree with you.

It all lies in whether the person can know it but decides not to know it because as a matter of rule, that knowledge is the responsibility of someone else.

This means the person is not limited by ability. You can't start casting aspersions on Him as being limited in ability just because He decides to abide by the rules of the game.

Jesus is in the Father and the Father is in him. Hence, how is He limited in knowledge?

Ok, since the father is in him when he was crucified was the Father also crucified? Was the Father not in heaven?

JohnSP99:
Abeg leave God out of this political shamble in the US, even Donald is not a saint, the American justice system for me is flawed, it doesn't in the first place make sense for someone with a fraudulent and bribery case in court be eligible for election not to talk of presidential, if this had happened in Nigeria, we would be making noise and this US will also be telling us it's not right. Their double standard reaches the heavens. The only good about their politics is that they think about the good of the country first before even individual good.

You think it is right for some judge to deny 300 million people the right to choose who they want to be their president?

GothamCities:
Where are the semantics?

Did Her not clearly say that the Father has this particular issue in His Power? In His Authority?

Except you're viewing God as humans. That's the only reason you may not understand these concepts.

The knowledge of something can be compartmentalized as far as God is concerned .

Jesus clearly said the Father has that issue in His power - that is within His defined roles as Father. He didn't say the Father knows because only the Father can know. That would then mean Christ cannot know. Christ can know but it's not His responsibility to know. It's the Father's.

Semantics. If someone doesn't know something, he doesn't know it - regardless of whether it is ability or responsibility. If you then go ahead to say the person knows everything, you're being economical with the truth

Nachmonides:
This is what Col2:9 says,

Colossians 2:9
ὅτι ἐν αὐτῷ κατοικεῖ πᾶν τὸ πλήρωμα τῆς θεότητος σωματικῶς,
because in him all the fullness of deity dwells bodily,



Nothing like the Apostle Paul talking about a resurrected Jesus, nor about a spirit person in heaven.

Please review.

There's no way to twist it. He stated it very clearly.
This below is contrived

Janosky:
Paul @ Colossians 2:9 was not writing about Jesus earthly life.
Rather , Paul's writing is about Jesus the life giving spirit in heavenly glory, fullness of divine quality/nature which he (Jesus) granted the disciples to be with him.
According to the will of God the Father (Colossians 1:19).
2 Peter 1:4. John 17':5,21-22.
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GothamCities:
No.

We're not talking in terms of ability but responsibility.

Knowing all things is ability. Being the sole knower of a particular matter is responsibility and not ability.

God knows all things but the knowledge of the second coming is the Father's responsibility, not ability.

I think this is clever semantics. I think the simple and honest thing to say is that AT THE POINT Christ was saying he did not know everything, he indeed did not know everything. But only at that point

Nachmonides:
Bill's critique wasn't on if Christ was God or not.
His focus was on paragraphing.

You are unwise, in fact if you join both vv.8-9 of Col2
It adds a stronger weight to the fact that truly in Christ dwells the fullness of deity.

Janosky he has a point. No?