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Image123:
How can't?

Because God can't be his own earthly servant

sonmvayina:
Well, it is what it is....if you meet a sincere scholar in the ivory towers of the world. They would still say that much.

And they'd still be talking crap

sonmvayina:
I don't understand you.
But the man you read about in the new testament is a Roman Catholic invention....

The creator of heaven and earth is not a Jewish man. He has no physical form. He created all and is sovereign over all his creation.

They left that and created a man as God(in their own image and likeness). That is idolatry no matter how you look at it...

Rome couldn't have invented Jesus. They'd invent someone that flatters them and their emperor and put them in good light!

Steep:
The same Google also say this below

Of course - Google knows you're alluding to Trinity. Quite different from saying same being

sonmvayina:
Jesus is just a Roman Catholic construct.. God is neither a man or a human being.

How does human beings turn to deity?
And how does deities turn to human being. I mean the processes. I know how eggs turn to larvae.it is a process called metamorphosis.

Nothing more...

Why would Romans construct God that supplabts all the gods that helped them conquer.the world AND who says their god-emperor was just another sinful man??

sonmvayina:
There is only one God (consciousness).
I do a lot of comparative studies....

I know which is which...

Enki is obantala...is the creative force of God

Thor is Amadioha in Igbo and sango in Yoruba. They all represent Thunder and lightning..I think he is Ninurta in the Babylonian pantheon..

The Bible is about stories about them..

These are declarative statements from YOU.
I can equally say "the universe was created yesterday and all our brains programed to think it is old". Possible, but HOW do I know?!

Steep:
Here is another one, when the word being is used in describing the Trinity it does not mean person.

Well, if you say "same being", almost everyone, including Google, understands it to mean same person. Just say "is of same essence" like the Naecene creed does

Steep:
No 2 definition the definition of a being used in describing the Trinity.
This is Oxford dictionary. You can see that there are atleast four definition of a being.

Yeah, but this is second definition of one source. You've been shown the consensus number one definition of all sources (Google).
Bottom line:
Stop saying Jesus is same being as the Father. Say instead that Jesus is of same essence as the Father

naptu2:
I didn't bother to read that guy's reply, because I figured out that he is an alternate account of those trolls.

Everybody knows that millenials are the generation of people that became adults around the year 2000. You can even see it in my first post. Everybody also knows that the term millenials is not limited to the West. For example:

Indian Millennials: Who Are They, Really?
https://www.alephbookcompany.com/book/indian-millennials-who-are-they-really/

Generation of Millennials in Russian Society:
In Search of Another Youth
https://www.politstudies.ru/en/article/5730

If he doesn't know this, then that's his problem, not mine.

Everybody knows that the term baby boomers is not limited to the United States or even the West (the recent popular reply, "OK boomer" originated in the Australian Parliament, not in the US).

Everybody knows that there was a global baby boom after the Second World War and countries like Brazil and Russia (and he himself admitted that it included Nigeria) experienced this. If he doesn't know this, that's his problem, not mine.

Everybody knows that many different people characterise generations based on many different things and that's why we have the internet generation, the MTV generation, the Indomie generation, etc. If he doesn't know this, then that's his problem, not mine.

Maybe you missed my post below. Here it is again. Note the bolded:
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I knew you'd jump at the Millenial thing. Why would someone born in '81 be considered Millenial but not someone born in '75?? And how does someone born in '96 become "adult at the turn of the millenium"?? And why not someone born in 2000, the actual millenium?! Just showing you were hanging too much on the term "Millenial" when it is actually not descriptive.

As for Baby Boom. Google it, there was no special baby boom in Nigeria and Africa after World War Ii. So why are we partaking in "Baby boom generation"??

You of course carefully avoided the Gen Z discussion. Bottom line, generation delineations can't be global. They have to be by countries or regions. One thing may be happening in US and the opposite in Russia!

Steep:
That is very arrogant of you to assume such.
The word "being" can have different meaning.
It can be used to refer to a person which is understandable because humans are mono personal beings so we tend to define a being as a person.

You can't make up your own English. We've gone to Google and Merriam-webster, the smartest sources we have - and they both say "same being" means same exact person

AntiChristian:


All those part have been edited away from the Bible!

What is available in the Bible is Jesus at birth till a few months old!

Then Jesus at around 12.

Then Jesus at 30-33.

That's about 6 years out of 33 years!

Edited out of where? There's always a remnant

Image123:
Heb 4:15 KJV For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.

Sexual urges are not sin BTW.

Jesus was NOT high priest. Ridiculous
How can God be high priest??

Nachmonides:
You seem to like Google.

Google what the terms he used means.
Tri-personal being
Mono-personal being

OK, here's Merriam-Webster:

Steep:
Jesus christ and God the Father share same essence or are one being but separate persons. Another way of putting it is that the divine being God is a tri-personal being unlike you and I, who are mono-personal beings.

I see what the problem is: you don't know what "same being" means. See below

Emmanuel NOT Emmanuel. NueLA!!!

I feel urge to be impregnated
Maybe we can work something out

Steep:
Of course the father is another person distinct from the Son

How does this tally with your statement below?

"Paul attributed God's very essence to christ making christ same being with the father."

Can't say I blame ya
Just make sure you have something that can replace him and the money he brings in

Nachmonides:
You have your answer.

Have my answer what? Answer the question. How come he fished with his disciples in John 21 and ate breakfast with them but they wanted to ask him who he was?

Proudlyngwa:
It has a lot to do

GEN Alpha kids like challangeing themselves intellectually.

GEN Z kids are bandwagon kids.

Quite the opposite... but of course different here. See below. Told ya

Nachmonides:
I'd have to respond with a question;
How could he appear to his disciples in a room that was locked?

John 20:19:

> "On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, ‘Peace be with you!’"



John 20:26 (similar event a week later):

> "Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, ‘Peace be with you!’"

Answer:
He is God and can easily perform such miracles

Janosky:
Why would Christ be given the fullness of divine nature by another being his Father?

The Lion bequeaths his nature to his offspring, another Lion.
God bequeaths his nature to another being, his son.


You are still not understanding John 17:5 ,7,21-23 the glory given to Christ (fullness of divine quality/nature before creation of the world.)

John 17:21-23, 2 Peter 1:4 the fullness of divine nature given to the disciples ,@ John 17:5,7 divine nature given to Jesus.

Christ can not be uncreated because @ 2 Peter 1:4 & John 17:7,21-23, Jesus and the disciples were given divine nature they do not possess.

Whatever your Father given you is because your Father is the source/Owner of your life.
God the Father of ALL created every other being..

Do you doubt that Jesus is God, worthy of worship? And can forgive sins?

buzugee:
earth after the eating of the apple by adam is what hell is.

You really believe this?

Nachmonides:
It's you that never probed it further.

You who probed it further, educate us. How come his two disciples heading to Emaus traveled all that distance with him without realizing who he was?

naptu2:
Kai! How can something so simple be so difficult for you to understand? You don't even understand what the term millenials means!

I am beginning to doubt that you are serious and now I wonder whether I should continue with this conversation.

Are you sure that you are not an alternate account of one of those trolls, because nobody would seriously type so much rubbish like you did in your last post.

I'll give it one more go.

Let me guess, you believe that the term millenials means people that were born around the millenium? You are wrong!

The term millenials means people that became adults at the turn of the millenium. DO YOU ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND IT NOW??

Then you posted some rubbish about Nigerian birth rate! What has that got to do with the conversation? (At least you acknowledged that Nigeria's birth rate was increasing, but that wasn't my point in the first place) I told you that people of that generation are called baby boomers because of a boom in GLOBAL BIRTH RATE. Do you understand the term global birth rate?

Basically, it's like you discovered that you were wrong and decided to through a bunch of red herrings to divert attention.

I knew you'd jump at the Millenial thing. Why would someone born in '81 be considered Millenial but not someone born in '75?? And how does someone born in '96 become "adult at the turn of the millenium"?? And why not someone born in 2000, the actual millenium?! Just showing you were hanging too much on the term "Millenial" when it is actually not descriptive.

As for Baby Boom. Google it, there was no special baby boom in Nigeria and Africa after World War Ii. So why are we partaking in "Baby boom generation"??

You of course carefully avoided the Gen Z discussion. Bottom line, generation delineations can't be global. They have to be by countries or regions. One thing may be happening in US and the opposite in Russia!

sonmvayina:
The yourubas calls them Orishas.
They are not Gods but all aspect of God.

FYI the Bible is about all these Orishas...I can bet my entire savings on it. About the annunakis, the gods of old.. The Torah was written when the Hebrews left the Babylonian exile. So most of the information was gotten from there...

And how do you know all these? Or we're just to take your word for it just because you said it?

Nachmonides:
Haha, it's useless for me to try to understand everything. However it is useful for me to understand scriptures. That is what it means to be human. Just as how Jesus grew in wisdom. In fact, scriptures call us to study to show ourselves approved... rightly dividing the word of truth.

Leave this conversation for those with teeth if you cannot wrap your head around how to explain a material contextually, using corroborative evidence.

It is impossible for you to fully understand spiritual matters as a human being. Even Jesus Christ, his very disciples who knew him very well could not recognize him after his resurrection. How come we never wonder at that?

sonmvayina:
The stories are about consciousness..does consciousness exists?

Whether you got that or not is none of my business...

Nope. We're discussing the Bible and deity of Christ. Unless you wish to open another thread

naptu2:
Wrong. They were called that because there was a GLOBAL baby boom. The global birth rate was declining in the 1930s, that decline halted and then the baby boom began after World War 2.

Let me guess, you are also going to say that Millenials are called millenials because it was only the West that entered the third millenium?

You are actually the one wrong. See below.
As for Millenials, I think the name fools you. The date is '81- '96.
Consider Gen Z. Their most prominent characteristic is concern for environment (climate change), and not caring too much about high salary or accumulation of wealth but about life satisfaction. In Nigeria it is the opposite - get rich by any means and yahoo and japa!

Nachmonides:
Who said he was the Father, not me, I said he is God. In another place he says he and the father are one.

If he is God, then he must have all the abilities of God, no buts, he must have all the abilities. I take him at his word. It is also logical.


Scriptures are simply not meant to be cherry picked, we are meant to read and see the big picture. In another part of the bible, he exhibits divine knowing, and abilities, such that it could only have been God. This cripples any idea of taking scriptures and making them stand-alone.

The first step is to humbly accept that you DON'T and CAN'T understand everything, being hunan with limited human understanding and perspective.

The second step is to understand that cerain things are beyond cherry picking and debate. If someone who can't lie says he doesn't know something, no matter how you twist it or where else in the Bible you look, he didn't know that thing at that point!

Proudlyngwa:
MY son is not behaving like GEN Z

Does not tolerate rubbish
Is respectful
Asked to learn a handwork at a tender age and actually seeked the workshop himself.


Our lastborn

Any rubbish he sees on WhatsApp and Facebook his job is to post it.
No too send anybody rerely listens to corrections.

These are their individual characteristics. Has nothing to do with Gen. Generational attitudes are usually a result of something specific occurring - example, Tinubu/Buhari hardship and Japa mentality, or AI. At a time Japa mentality will go away creating a generation with a different mentality

brain54:
Strong man...

Some people dey struggle to get one. Dey never get.

Only you pack 4 like hilux!

And father of Ebonyi Governor has 30. Thirty wives! And a child of 4th wife became governor!
How about if he only had one or two wives? Is there a lesson there somewhere?