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DeepSight:
I have answered you. I said you cant have an Earth without a Universe. Did you miss that memo?

Ok. Use God alone and explain the existence of the universe.

DeepSight:
1. To build an Earth, you require an entire universe.

2. What about your brain. Does it show any hallmark of design?

You don't require an entire universe to build an earth. Many solar systems have come and gone without the universe noticing their dissappearance.

The brain shows hallmarks of design.

KingEbukasBlog:
Not everyone who believes in God believes in telos (purpose) of nature like Aristotle . Existentialism believes that existence precedes essence while essentialism believes essence precedes existence . And the first Existentialist was Danish theist and philosopher Soren K . Anything can serve a purpose for anything you want to use it as . Nothing really has an inherent purpose it was created with from an existentialist point of view

Example : I can use a stone as a grinder , stumbling block , a weapon etc . There is no inherent purpose for the existence of a stone .

Theism is very broad encompassing so many views .

You said the universe has a consious designer. What was Jupiter designed for? What about the asteroid belt in our solar system? You keep shooting blanks and empty platitudes.
You keep shouting God, God, God but when asked to use God and explain things you begin to cry. You keep insisting the the solar system has a designer which is God. When we tell you to use God alone and explain things to us about the things your claim were designed by him you begin to cry.

KingEbukasBlog:
Plus the deists like Albert Einstein support the existence of God through the study of nature and that's science . Studying how devices like wrist watches , laptops , mobile phones work means there is no designer ? According to atheists , if you study and discover how devices work , you will end up believing they have no designers ? Where is the sense in that ?

We know that wrist watches, cat and laptops are designed because they are things humans designed to help them solve problems.

We have studied the solar system and we can not objectively say why or what it was designed for. What is the asteroid belt in our solar system designed for? Use God alone and explain why it was designed and the purpose for it's design.

What was planet Jupiter designed for? What about Pluto? The evidence that Mars was designed for anything is what?

Where is the conclusive evidence that shows that those dud planets that litter the solar system were designed by any living entity? Where is it?

solasolasola:
To say most Christians are now doing away with the existence of hell is a complete fallacy. How could you say "most" without evidence? With that, I disregarded the rest after seeing other loopholes. Your reasoning is defending the Christians in a fallacious manner. Note: I am a Christian.

I said Christians in the West(Europe and America). I am not defending christians, I am only stating what I see happening around me. Go to the average church in Europe or America. They don't preach hell at all and majority of the main stream christian apologist just say that hell is a separation between God and man.

Most christians especially those in the West have started throwing away the hell idea. Hell was invented by the stone age barbarians, but the modern humane christians are discarding and running away from it. Most christians will tell you that hell is simply a place of sepa ration from God not a firey place of eternal torture.

They've all seen through the sadistic and barbaric idea and have started dropping it and running away from it. Few people talk about hell these days.


It is the muslims that gladly and happily talk about hell as an eternal place of torture because Islam and terrorism go hand in hand. The mindset of the muslim hasn't evolved yet. They aren't as humane as the christians. Islam has used too much fear to entrap and enslave their minds and they can't reason clearly.

Aybody that believes in hell as an eternal place of torture because of unbelief is a terrorist.

KingEbukasBlog:
You are hoping from one argument to another . Christians in Europe or Christians in America ? It stated clearly 42 percent still accept creationism and the remaining are divided on whether God orchestrated evolution or not . With majority of the remainder saying that God was involved in the process . How is this now most ? And polls are conducted with an infinitesimal number of the whole population so I don't see why you should trust those extrapolations ?

Why exactly are you on about? I gave you a study that clearly stated that majority of Europeans believe in evolution more than creationism. True the study dwelt more on Americans but it Cleary stated that in Europe majority of the people believe in evolution. Most Europeans are catholics and the position of the Catholic church is that evolution is true. The Pope came out and spoke in favour of evolution over creationism.

I never said majority of atheists accept intelligent design , I didn't even insinuate that . I clearly indicated that Raelns who are atheists reject evolution . It was clearly stated in my post

https://www.thoughtco.com/raelian-movement-95694

And there are atheists who are not Raelns but rejection evolution like you do . You've always stated that you reject evolution . Right ?
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/dubitable-darwin-why-some-smart-nonreligious-people-doubt-the-theory-of-evolution/

Then you have no point. Only an insignificant number of atheist believe in intelligent design as opposed to the majority of Christains in Europe that accept evolution over creationism.

Church attendance or prayer , what is the argument ? Why is your post suffused with red herrings ? I hardly attend church but I pray does that make less religious ? The argument is for prayer and not Church attendance . Christians in France and Canada hardly attend churches , does that mean they don't take prayers seriously ? As Christians we can pray anywhere any day anytime . Receive sense brother

Prayers is of no use to average European. They hardly pray or involve themselves in any religious activity is the point I was trying to make. Their actions all show that they do not believe in prayers. There are many documented cases of nurses in Europe that have been fired from work because they were praying for their patients instead of administering first aid or emergency medical aid. Prayers has never solved any of their problems. All their approach to solving their problems have been natural. Some of them might pray but when it matters most they rely on themselves and their natural ability to solve their problems.

KingEbukasBlog:
1. Most Christians accept evolution and reject creationism ? Any evidence for this claim ?

Should we pretend like atheists don't reject evolution and accept intelligent design (Raelism ) . There are theistic beliefs that include both creationism and evolution (special creationism )

Yes. Most christians in the West accept evolution over creationism. Only in the US did more christians accept creationism but that was in the past, even in the US more people are accepting evolution over creationism especially among the youth population.

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/science/2015/11/polls_americans_believe_in_evolution_less_in_creationism.html

Were is your study that shoWS that majority of atheist believe in intelligent design? Where is it?

2. Can you provide evidence for the claim : Christians in Europe believe prayers are silent wishes not a solution to anything ?

America though not part of Europe just had their National Prayer Day last week . Some countries in Europe like Denmark have a prayer day

They do not take prayers seriously as they do not attach any importance to it. Prayers has never solved any of their problems as such they do not attach any special importance to it. In fat in Europe most people do not even attend religious gatherings or activities. Church attendance has dropped by over 60% on average.The only people that attend church regularly are Nigerians and other African migrants. Europes ms don't attend church bease they don't attach any importance it.
Having a national day of prayer is nothing but a symbolic gesture jut like the Ramadan day dinner in the white house. When they have problems as a nation they do not go about praying, they vigorously look so solutions amongst themselves through natural means. Tell me one problems that any nation was confronted with that prayers was used to solve. Just name one.

Trudax:
Does anyone see a correlation here?

Cc Dalaman Plaetton Hahn Kingebukasblog

What we need is open mindedness, total disregard for superstition that is deeply embedded in our culture and has become a sacred part of our lives. We need to embrace naturalism and try to understand that all our problems have natural solutions else we will keep wallowing in the cesspool we have created for ouselves.

We are overly religious and that has been a bane, but that doesn't mean that atheism will cure Africa's problem. Atheism might be a very big problem of its own if we all embrace it. Africans just need to be less religious and do away with the superstitious part of their religions the way others have done. That can only be done through the provision of good and quality education.

Others are religious and spiritual but they have been able to grow because they have dropped most of the superstitious aspect of their religion and embraced the natural part. In Europe today most christians do not accept creationism but evolution. Majority of them do not believe in faith healing, only the fringe believe in faith healing. They do not belive in prayers as a solution to anything. They just believe prayers as silent wish not a solution to anything, as such you can not see them praying away their problems like we do always. They have embraced naturalism and they truly believe that all of man's problems must be solved through natural means. No political leader in Europe or America will tell you that diseases are a product punishment of sin and expect to retain his seat. He/she will be forced to resign immediatelybecause such kind of thought and reasoning doesn't agree with the type of people and society they have created.

As black people we simply do NOT understand how the world works. I have European educated friends to PhD level that still reason the same way a stark illetrate will reason when it comes to matters superstition, religion and spirituality. Despite all the knowledge and education, many still believe that some imaginary spiritual forces are against them when misfortune comes their way, many still believe in ritual money, juju and the likes. Things that have stagnated our growth as a people for centuries. Until we change our beliefs and embrace naturalism the way others have by believing that our problems can only be sloved naturally we will continue to remain the way we are.

Agimor:
As long as you have the full awareness Christianity but failed to repent and accept Christ as your Lord and personal saviour hell is inevitable. But if you've never heard of Christ yet you live a good life you will make heaven.

So you believe that people deserve to be burnt in fire for eternity because they refused to accept stories told about a man and how he said they should live their lives? You are a terrorist.

Patience Jonathan a chief launcher on a book against corruption? It is well.

Rilwayne001:
And which verse did you provide to prove your own point?



Even though, I don't believe, especially the book of John, but didn't you see any sense in his explanation when he said

"John 14:6 KJV
[6] Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
If you want to get to the father, it’s by The teachings of Jesus, and what are his teachings?
Luke 10:27 says; Love God and Love one another!""

If yes, can you counter it?


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Your religion teaches that only muslims will go to paradise. Why are you worried that christians believe they alone will go to heaven?

chijioke0046:
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Send money to him at your own peril. Mods ban this guy.

hopefulLandlord:
Hehehehehehehehe

"if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit". W.C. Fields

this quote always comes to mind when I see that guy's posts

This end it.

KingEbukasBlog:
Hold on sir . Are we talking about the black race or just Africa ?

The OP is clear. He mentioned sub saharan Africa.

Trudax:
Ancient Egyptians weren't your typical black African community like the ones you'd have found in ancient Benin or Ghana kingdom. They were a mixed population, comprising of a phenotypically diverse group of people. Some looking like your present day Berbers, some bearing similarities to present day Egyptians, some resembling present day Ethiopians and some bearing features similar to you and I. So it was a mixed culture and its success shouldn't be a attributed to any particular race.

What are the pyramids compared to the international space centre or the hubble space telescope? KingEbukasBlog should tel us what the black race have created that has benefited humanity like the hubble space telescope.

KingEbukasBlog:
Evidence sir . You should adduce something to prove this claim .

I've dropped them already . Why are we unable to solve our problems? Some races have shown their abilities to solve their problems. Why aren't we trend setters? You are a christian because some people conquered your lands and we're able to convince/ force your ancestors to drop their God ideas and religion and accept theirs. You speak the language of the invaders and colonialist. They have too much and over bearing influence on our lives. We have little or no influenceon theirs. Their creative abilities completely over weighs ours. They have conquered the world while we are still struggling to feed ourselves.

Who said we didn't invent things like the foreigners ? The stupendous pyramids of Egypt which have marveled modern day architects , who built them ? Who developed the plans ? What about the tombs of the Egyptian Pharaohs ? Do you know how spectacular designed they are ? Who is shrouding you seeing from these facts ? Your white friends ? Do you feel inferior to them ? Oh Dalaman

Invent what? Of what use are the pyramids to humanity? Name one invention that the black race has invented that has helped humanity like the auto mobile or the Internet.

KingEbukasBlog:
Intelligence has nothing to do with colour . There is only one race , the human race . The Asians are made to understand the importance of education and studying . They are instilled with moral discipline and are trained to value anything intellectual . Failure in education is frowned at . The Asian kids also engage in high cognitive tasks like learning mathematics with abacus.

It is not true. Some race have shown to be more intelligent than others. Man pass man and that is no lie.

Right now in developed countries , children are taught to be self aware in order to control their emotions e.g breathing buddies . They are also taught ways to improve their willpower .Willpower (self discipline ) is destiny . Children who are taught to control their impulses go on to achieve great things in life when they are adults . New teaching methods and activities to improve cognitive abilities are being developed everyday . Do you know that horse-back riding improves cognitive skills ? And I'm sure this new discovery would soon be used to consolidate their already intellectually intensive extra-curricular activities .

All these training have not been incorporated into our education system and in our homes . I mean how would you compete with the products of these foreign educational systems when we still use obsolete dysfunctional methods in the training of our children ?

Why are we unable to discover or invent these new things? Why is it always them that are able to discover or invent these new things? Why can't we invent ways to train ourselves and make ourselves better in understanding and conquering our environment? Why must it be them teaching us or discovering these things?

MightySparrow:
That is exactly my thinking. The level of undevelopment amongst blacks shows we don't understand the dynamics of human development.

More so there is nothing that originated from black race that is of global appreciation except poverty and wanton destuction of lives.

If we understand the dynamics of human development and are equally as intelligent as them we would have been like them period. Look at the nonsense that is going on in black Africa. We can't lead ourselves, we can't invent anything, we can't create system or add any value chain to the world as a whole, but we can only keep crying that we are just as intelligent. It's not by mouth but by deeds, if we are equally intelligent, then we should show it. No long talk.

Trudax:
Why do you think so?

Based on a couple of things. I feel the Caucasians especially are intellectually superior to us because of the following points.

1. Their ability to organize themselves and solve their problems and challenges. We have not been able to solve any of our problems as a people. It takes superior intelligence to be able to come together and solve your problems they way they have.

2. Their ingenuity and creativity. They've created things and changed the world with their creativity and inventions in ways that we can not, period. Most of the knowledge of the world around us we got it because they first discovered or studied it.

3. Their leadership abilities. They have shown leadership abilities that we have been unable to show period. They've shown that they can lead themselves very well, while we have constantly displayed our inability to lead ourselves.

4. Their pace setting abilities and ability to convince others to follow their ways. We are all practicing their religions and culture(we speak their language and answer their names). They aren't practicing anything from us.

5. Their ability to dominate others. We have shown that we lack that completely.

I'll stop here even though there are more I can add.

I think we are inferior intellectually and in terms of intelligence.

HardMirror:
Why are we to become gods? What purpose would our being gods serve.

Sounds like a fantasy to me. So when we become gods, what next? Does not sound like a purpose to me. Sounds vain and childish

And conquer the universe? Lol. As if the universe even cares that you exist. Let's take earth as an example if we conquer earth, so what? Why conquer earth, what purpose does that serve?

I tire o.

KingEbukasBlog:
I gave you an answer from a Christian perspective . But you never gave any meaningful response . And we know that atheists subscribe to nihilism - that life is utterly meaningless and purposeless . That explains so much about the despicable , nefarious and horrendous acts against humanity carried out by the atheists . And why atheists are more prone to commit suicide than any other group . Why let people live when life is meaningless right ?

You did no such thing. Giving answers from a Christain perspective shows that life's meaning is subjective. Life has no universal meaning that is acceptable by all human beings. The meaning of life is what you chose to make of it. The despicable, nefarious and horrendous acts against humanity have been committed by atheist and theist alike. Read your bible all the despicable and horrendous genocide recorded there in were carried out not by atheist but by your so called prohets and men of God, they were so brutal that they believed in stoning their children to death as a just punishment. They annilated their neighbors for worshipping other Gods. Read the bible all the atrocities sand genocides were committed by your God and his chosen men.

Now you'll open your shamless mouth and call it judgement. But it's the same judgement Boko Haram and other Islamist are carrying out, why then do you condem them?

Image123:
Eternity and purpose. There is only one God and you know who so stop asking foolish questions this early Monday morning.

What eternity and what purpose? There isn't ONLY one God. There are many Gods. Stop telling lies this Monday morning.

hopefulLandlord:
remember that thread which Christians quickly spilled the same nonsense about meaning then you asked them the meaning of life and they then went around in circle saying nothing? I remember Felixomor and 4evrrgod were one of those Christians, can't remember the thread right now

And KingEbukasBlog . No be small thing. They came harangiung us that life has meaning bla bla bla. When I asked them to tell me the meaning of life non of them could answer.

Image123:
A life without God is meaningless, you must have preached this as a christian. Remember?

What is the meaning of life with God? By the way which of the Gods?

emrain:
And most women are so weak minded, they can fall for anything. It's a pity

You will be suprised that women believe more in the nonsense then the men.

Jobs in Nigeria are based on who you know not what your age is. My 36 years old friend with no job experience just recently got a job in a chinese company because of connections. Few people I know above 40 got government Jobs for the first time in their lives when this change government came in.

Do fictitious places exist in reality? No they don't.

emrain:
Lol, who else noticed a pattern here?

All their sins are konji related... the writers of Quran are really konjified rats.

What a prefect way to use fear and entrap women.

Its funny how some men believe this ancient savage and saditic idea from manual of fear and mental slavery, and except to be conceived as pious and moral. There is nothing moral in the idea of hell. It is sickening and is a form of terrorism it self. Any body that believesin this sadistic idea doesn't deserve respect. Any body that subscribes to this sadistic fantasy needs to be mocked at all times.


Let's look at the concept of hell from the Islamic point of view then we move onto that of the christians.

Here is what the Hadith claims will happen to women in he'll.


The Women of Hell Fire. Prophet
(saw) said: "O ALi, on the night of
my ascension (Miraj) I saw
women of my ummah who were
being severily punished that I
became concerned for them and
started cyring.
I saw a woman who had been
hung by her breast.
Then I saw a second woman who
was eating her own flesh and fire
raged below her.
A third woman was hanging by
her tongue and boiling water was
being poured down her throat.
A fourth was bent over, her hands
and feet were tied together,and
snakes and scorpions were
crawling all over her
A fifth was deaf, dumb, and blind,
enclosed in a cage of fire, her
brain oozing out of the holes in
her skull. Her body fell appart due
to leprosy.
Another was hung by her feet,
inside and over.
Yet another woman's body was
being shredded to pieces by
scissors made of fire.
One woman had a head of a pig
and a body of a donkey and was
given several punishments.
Another had the face of a dog, fire
was entering her body from her
posterior and come out of her
mouth and the angels were
beating her with iron rods

Fatimah then inquired her father, 'Please, tell me, what did these women do(to deserve such punishment)?'

Then the Prophet Sallallaahu alayhi wa sallam said :

'Listen my dear; The one who was hanging by her breast used to deny her husband, his righful pleasure; The one hanging by her feet used to go out of her house without her husband's permission; The one eating her own flesh used to beautify herself and show her body to men other than her husband .The one who's hands and feet were tied together and covered with snakes and scorpions never to care impurity and wasn't careful about ghusl, thus taking her prayer lightly; The deaf, blind, and dumb, used to bear children through adultery but claim the children belonged to her husband;The one whose body was being cut by scissors made of fire never observed hijab in front of non mahrem men. The one whose body was burned and who was eating her own intestines used to provide other woman for ____; The one with the face of a pig and a body of a donkey was a backbiter and a liar. And those with the face of a dog and who had fire entering her behind and coming out of her face was a jealous woman.


People that believe in this sadistic fiction scare me, because it seriously raises the question of what type of concept of morality thsee people have.

Islam is a very dangerous religion seriously. I was listening to an Islamic cleric and all.the examples he was given during his preaching were that of war. These guys are very dangerous for real.