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PastorAIO:
What is the bias? A bias is to lean on one side of an debate more than the other. I told him that he failed to answer the question asked of him.

In fact all he did was ask the question again, but divide the topic into 4 sections.

He did NOT provide any method by which to scrutinise. All he said was 'scrutinise' bla bla bla. Meanwhile the question was, to paraphrase, 'how do we scrutinize religion in order to know the true one?'.

ps. I don't hate christianity but I hate lies, and fakeness.

You've said it all.

malvisguy212:
https://www.nairaland.com/1999485/all-religions-lead-god-one

Agnostics often fall into two camps -
those who believe that all
religions can lead to God or those who
believe that true religion cannot
be discerned. This page examines both
positions in an attempt to
determine where the truth may lie.
Logically, there are several
possibilities. Atheists would say that no
religion leads to God, since He
doesn't exist. It is possible that one,
several or all religions lead to God.
ALL WAYS LEAD TO GOD:
There are hundreds of religions in the
world today, and many ancient
religions that are no longer practiced. It
is possible, and perhaps likely,
that all religions contain some truth and/
or good moral advice.
However, in examining religious
teaching, it is important to examine
the fundamental beliefs of each religion
and compare those to each
other. When this is done, it is apparent
that primary religious teachings
contradict each other. Judaism says that
the Messiah is coming,
Christianity says that He has come, and
Islam says that Mohammad
provided all the information necessary
for religious life. Obviously,
these truth claims cannot be
simultaneously true, since they
contradict
each other. Logically, we must reject the
idea that all religions lead to
God.
TRUE RELIGEON:IS IT POSSIBLE TO
DISCERN?
I believe that there are some things that
we can discern about God
from the nature of the universe. The
universe demonstrates some
remarkable evidence of design. What
kind of God designed all this, and how
can we know His true identity? Most
people who believe God
exists would agree with the argument
that the God who designed the
universe must be a personal God. For
God to put so much time and care
into the design of the universe and life, it
would seem logical to
conclude that God really cared about His
creation, and was personally
involved in it's creation. A God who did
not care about his creation would never
be expected to spend 14 billion years of
development
just so that humans would have a nice
place to live for a few thousand
years. Therefore, it would seem likely
that the true God must be a
personal God, and not the God of deism,
pantheism, Buddhism, etc. So,
it would seem that these religions
probably do not represent the true
nature of God.
ELIMINATE THE ILLOGICAL:
The powerful and personal Creator God
of the universe would probably
want to reveal Himself to His spiritual
creatures. So, it seems likely that
God would have revealed His true nature
to one or more of the
peoples of the earth. Are all the
revelations of the world religions a
reflection of God or just certain one(s)?
This is the difficult question that
cannot be answered in merely one short
page. However, I believe one can come
up with a best answer through much
study and through the
process of elimination. For example,
some religions make truth claims
that are obviously false. The LDS church
(Mormons) claims that gods are created
through procreation and that creatures
created by those gods can eventually
become gods themselves. However, this
religion suffers
from the problem of how the first god
came into existence. Logic
would dictate that God is eternal and
uncreated. All religions that claim
otherwise would seem to be logically
flawed.
BASIC RELIGEON CLAIM:
Since many religious claims contradict
one another, it would seem that
not all religions could be simultaneously
true. How can we tell which
religion(s) are true? If you examine the
world religions, most describe
ethical and moral laws that are ascribed
to God. Breaking of those laws
is an offense to God. How do different
religions handle that problem?
Many religions say that if one tries to
obey God's laws most of the time, God
will accept you. However, I believe that
we can eliminate
that idea as being true of the Creator
God of the universe. God designed
physical laws of the universe. These laws
are constant and
unbreakable. God Himself, seems to
break those physical laws only
rarely. I propose that this God would not
accept the breaking of His
moral laws so easily. In fact, from the
nature of the physical laws, it would
seem that God would not accept the
breaking of His moral laws
at all. Nearly all religions claim that God
will ignore our breaking of His
moral laws as long as we try our best.
This is where Christianity differs
from all other world religions.
Christianity says that our good works
cannot erase our bad moral choices.
Think of it in terms of our legal
systems. We are convicted of crimes on
the basis of breaking the law. If we break
a law, we are found guilty under the law.
It doesn't matter
what good things we have done in our
lives, if we break the law. We
might get a lesser sentence, but we will
still be convicted of a crime.
So, God cannot simply ignore our crimes
against Him. We will be found
guilty, despite our good works.
Christianity says that our bad deeds
(sins) must be eliminated in order to be
acceptable to God. The elimination of
sins was accomplished by the sacrifice of
the Savior
(Jesus Christ). Jesus Christ is God
Himself, who came to earth, led a sinless
life, and died on the cross as a sacrifice
to take the sins of
mankind. So, God Himself provided a
means of eliminating our sins
against Him. However, the elimination of
sins is not automatic. Since
God will allow people into His presence
after death, they must agree to
His terms. This contract is executed
through faith in the sacrifice of
Jesus Christ to eliminate our sins. By
accepting God's terms, our sins are
erased and we can stand in the presence
of God without any sin. Only
our good deeds will be counted for our
judgment. Those who don't
accept God's terms will be judged on the
basis of God's laws - and will
be found guilty.
CHRISTIANITY IS DIFFERENT :
No other religion provides a provision for
God's forgiveness of
sin, which is why I believe Christianity to
be the only true way
to God. Jesus said He is the only way to
God and that all people
must follow Him to enter heaven. All
other religions are man's attempt to
become acceptable to God. Only
Christianity says
that God alone provides the only means
to be acceptable to
Him. So, either Christianity is true and all
other religions are false or
Christianity is false and God does not
hold people accountable for law
breaking. Personally, I would not want to
rely upon God ignoring His
own rules. It doesn't seem to be logical
reasoning. This is the choice you must
make.
CONCLUSION:
So, I encourage you to examine the world
religions to see if what I am
saying is true. Don't give up on the ability
to separate the truth claims
of the world's religions. If Christianity is
true, you must make a choice
or you will be judged on the basis of your
sins against God. Let me
know if you have any questions.

Christianity is true because of what? This is not a thread for baseless claims. Provide objective means through we can test your religious claims to know if they are true. This is not an indoctrination class.

KingEbukaNaija:
Brother AIO I gave him what he asked for - a METHODOLOGY . Or do you want us to use Elijah's method ?

Methodology to check what? Use it and tell us how you arrived at the true religion on an objective basis.

KingEbukaNaija:
You've claimed to have knowledge of numerous religions notably Islam and Hindu . We can start from there . Following the aforementioned four ways off course

Ok. State why the Christian faith is better than them with objective evidence using the criteria you outlined.

KingEbukaNaija:
Lol . Swipes at christianity all ready ? I thought you had the intention to find out the true religion from the lots we have .

You couldn't wait to spew it even conveniently

You are a Christian so I was just cutting the chase. Obviously you can't be defending Islam or Shinto religion.

KingEbukaNaija:
Scrutinizing :

1.The Tenets

2. Spirituality

3. Concept of the creator

4. Relationship with Deity/Creator - How a believer of that religion relates with his deity

1. Christianity has no universally accepted doctrine.
2. No universally accepted spiritual concept or experience in Christianity that can be measured or tested. Each sect have their own concept of spirituality.
3. Vague because all believe in different creation concept and process. Old earth creationist vs young earth creationists.
4. Vague concept as well because it isn't well defined. The Catholic Church for example says you can't have a personal relationship with God without the whole church as a body and they are christians. So FAIL! You haven't even attempted to provide any objective means with which we can know which religion is true.

KingEbukasBlog.

Happy birthday Johnydon22 . Wishing you many good years ahead. From a loyal fan.

I've been seeing many theist here (christians and muslims, and sometimes catholics vs non catholics) arguing about how their religion is true and those that do not accept their religion are either blind, arrogant or foolish. What I have never heard from any of the theist arguing in support of one religion or the other is providing an objective way through which we will all test and know which religion is true. How do we objectively know that Islam is true and Christianity is false and vice versa? Where is the objective test to prove any of these religious claim? What methodology can be used to test and verify it? How can other religions also be shown to be false, what methodology do they need to fail for us to know that they are false? Instead of repeating what you have been coerced and indoctrinated with since childhood, why don't the theist here do something different and show us with objective evidence why their religion is true and other religions are false.

winner01:
I wonder why you still waste your time asking me questions dude
Its not like you know anything about anything.

And you know anything about everything through indoctrination and herd mentality, right?

KingEbukaNaija:
You never learn . You keep repeating the same questions all over again and you expect a reply . I have schooled you every damn time and you just never learn .

Blame it on dullardman

cc : winner01 - he keeps repeating the same thing

Schooled me on what? What really do you know? Do you know anything apart from what you have been indoctrinated with?

KingEbukaNaija:
Ever heard of a smart house ? I'm sure you know of the tech used though - its all about an artificial/man made process - made by man , DEVELOPED by man

Now this a non material supernatural being all powerful and knowledgeable who has control over all things ... why wouldn't you believe He can do that ?

You have never provided evidence for the supernatural being of yours, you just keep making claims about the supernatural being using things we do not know. Where is this supernatural being of yours? How did you get to know about it? In what form or shape does it exist? How can I get to know it when I encounter it? Can you give me a detailed description of this being? For what purpose did it create the universe?

Now that you questioned that biblical proof , can you provide or explain how the universe possibly came into existence .

I'm willing to be entertained . Arsenal did theirs really well yesterday

Biblical proof or biblical claims? The bible has no proof of any of its claims about creation. Its claims are no different from that of the Koran or the hindu scriptures and other mythical narratives.

KingEbukaNaija:
If you mean the history of those 'Gods' on atheist websites then I'd love to be schooled on "history "

Nope. You can go to any Jewish site and tell me why God is called El, Jehovah and Yahweh and why the people used the names at different point in history.

KingEbukaNaija:
I tried delving deep into having a full knowledge of the big bang but I go stuck - its totally out of my field though . Why should I have a complete knowledge of an assumption of how our universe came about which has no explanation of its cause - its an inchoate theory . Have you ever thought of building without a plan or no foundation ? Has a teacher ever started a complex topic in school without guiding you through the rudiments ?

Then it got worse when scientists now came up with the universe is eternal theory , meaning the big bang was a mere assumption . The eternal universe asserts that there is no singularity and that it also falls in line with energy being eternal but ooppss every observation points towards the fact that the universe indeed has a beginning

And which observation points towards plants springing into existence using the Hebrew language?

winner01:
I see.
Another atheist once told me El, Yahweh and Jehovah are different Gods and that i should pick the one i believe in.

Deception and lies everywhere, just anything to cover up the truth.

Whatever makes you feel good man.

Can you tell us the meaning of El, Yahweh and Jehovah and why you feel they all refer to the same being? Do you know anything about the evolution of the Jewish beliefs from polytheism to monotheism? What do you know about the history of the Jewish religion?

KingEbukaNaija:
... just like Wikipedia said

So?

lepasharon:
Yes.. Harry Potter is from London ooo

You are a clown. Harry potter is a work of fiction. Do you know what fiction is?

KingEbukasBlog:
What fact ? You clearly stated that the challenge is off due Randi's retirement .

The challenge is still on. Over 1000 people who claimed they have psychic powers have gone there and failed. Just take your man that can use incantation to cure deadly snake poison there and win a million dollars if he can prove his abilities and stop making noise.

Scholar8200:
But you dont believe in either! What's the point then?

Besides, the Bible has its purpose.

Mutation is part of the creation process. Use God alone and explain why mutation occurs.

Jadonjack:
Most GOs go for medical check up often, why?! Is it not because they are scared of gettin sick?! And if yu are scared of gettin sick, it literally means yu knw there's nothing about the bible that can save you if you are ill, not even the "almighty god".

My dad's mistake ryt now is believing strongly in the bible verses dalaman quoted ( James 5 14-15) which I'm trying so hard to amend.

Many had died believing dis bible verses but I won't watch ma dad's own go dat way

Most of the GO's run abroad for medical check up or when they fall sick, they lie to their followers that they traveled abroad for one engagement or the other only to go and receive the best medical treatment . I am talking about Oyedepo, Adeboye etc.

KingEbukasBlog:
Keep your ill wish to yourself . Such evil will only follow you . Keep your repugnant hatred for God to yourself

I don't hate any God because God remains a man made idea, I am only challenging that idea which you believe in and sheepishly hold sacred. I was once like you, so I know how it feels.

KingEbukasBlog:
Yes and He will come back here and testify and shame you .

The shame his testimony will bring unto you will haunt you for the rest of your life .

Go away you evil-filled gutter of a soul

I actually used to be like you some years back. I will not advise him to go and waste his time in your church because I know nothing will happen to him because I want his dad to be well, I am not interested in shaming any body, I just want him to take his dad to the hospital for proper medical attention. There is nothing going on in your church because I am putting it to you that if you fall sick the hospital is where you will run to instead of your church. By the way if the bible is true you should be able to heal his dad as Jesus promised you.

KingEbukasBlog:
Antitheist , if you are willing to pay the hospital bills then you should advice him after he clearly said they have done all they could .

Shame on you and your hatred for God , He is working POWERFULLY in my church .

Invite him to your church and lets see how it will go. Even your pastor will go to the hospital when he falls sick.

KingEbukasBlog:
It works for me , you should find out why it isn't working for you

I am talking about people around me and people around you too including you. If a terminal illness infects you today. I assure you that the hospital is where you will run to, you will not go to any pastor or church elders to pray for you as stated in the bible, if you do it you will die eventually from the sickness, that is the fact. I repeat, the fact they most christians all over the world run to the hospital when they fall sick, tells us that the bible and all its fictitious promises are pure lies.

KingEbukasBlog:
Hmmm

The God of Chosen doesn't ask for money . Take yourself there , listen and heed to the pastor's message , pray alongside others and get what you want . Its that simple

Instead of advising him to go take his sick dad to the hospital you are still referring him to go and waste more time in some place where superstition rules the day. Please receive sense. If faith healing works Nigerian christains will not be going to hospitals. They will just do as Jesus promised them in the bible and they will be fine. But since what is written in the bible is fictitious, they keep trying and it keeps failing them.

KingEbukasBlog:
James 2:14-26

14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?

15 If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food,

16 And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?

17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.

18 Yea, a man may say, Thou hast faith, and I have works: shew me thy faith without thy works, and I will shew thee my faith by my works.

19 Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.

20 But wilt thou know, O vain man, that faith without works is dead?

21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

22 Seest thou how faith wrought with his works, and by works was faith made perfect?

23 And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

25 Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?

26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.

Is it not the same book of James that specifically told Christians what to do when they are sick? He said his dad is sick and you are talking about adhering to faith without doing work which is entirely a very different issue that has nothing to do with praying for the sick. The same book of James stated clearly how sick christians should act when sick and what will happen afterwards.

14 Is anyone among you sick? Then he must call for the elders of the church and they are to pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord; 15 and the prayer offered in faith will restore the one who is sick, and the Lord will raise him up, and if he has committed sins, they will be forgiven him - James 5:14-15

Many have tried this and ended up dead. My aunts, uncles, friends and relatives have tried this many times, it never worked, some died and some recovered after they were taken to the hospital, even as a christian my excuse was that they were sinners that was why God wasn't answering them. But in reality it is another mythical and fictitious promise made by people that believed in magic and superstition. Prayers alone can not heal anybody, if prayers alone can heal people christians will never go to the hospital and spend billions annually.

KingEbukasBlog and Scholar8200. Please can you guys use God and the bible to explain to us why the DNA of living organisms mutate randomly sometimes?

winner01:
No, accept it cos its the unchanging Truth.

unchanging truth that you can not even describe? You guys claim your God speaks to you, please can you describe his voice for us? So that we know it isn't things you make up in your head.

vooks:
M0ron^2
Like I always teach you, human beings don't possess full knowledge but whatever they possess is sufficient to dispense with asinine claims such as abiogenesis just as easily as they would dismiss naturalistic processes generating a Subaru. 1 billion years of science would never make natural random processes responsible for a Subaru and much more the bacteria/virus.

This in turn means you can't appeal to ignorance/knowledge-gap to wish away Origins. 1+1=2. A trillion years later of tons of innovation and technology and knowledge and still 1+1=2

Can you quote me on anything regarding abiogenesis or random chance anywhere?

KingEbukasBlog:
You have no proof that the bible is mythology . Everyone in the bible are historical figures . You can bury your head under a stone if you want

As usual you always have noting meaningful to say.

vooks:
M0ron,
What is the probability of this Subaru materializing naturally?
What about the 'simplest' life for. Which is infinitesimally more complex and ordered than the Subaru?

All what you are saying is that your ignorance is your God. Until you provide evidence to show that this imaginary God of yours exist on it's own, I will never take you seriously. So this imaginary God of yours that is much more complex than the Subaru and all life forms just existed naturally on its own, right? Why are you too slow my friend?

vooks:
Once you get past the fact that chance can't produce a Subaru, I'd gladly walk you through the rest.

Creation is the alphabet of Christianity. How can you compose paragraphs without alphabets

Did your God create the Subaru? The Subaru is the direct application of scientific principles. I have stopped taking you guys seriously. Christians will tell that God created the universe and all there is within it. When you point to the creation account written inside the bible they will tell you it's an allegory or find a way to explain it away. You refuse to accept how tour God said he created the universe but still have the audacity to talk about creation. You guys are very slow.