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Annunaki:
Islam is just a joke, even their so called protected quoran is full of thrash, glaring errors, contradictions and hate inspiring verses. I am going to burn some copies of the quoran today to see if allaah will protect it from being burnt by me.

. I've never looked at it from that angle.

According to the muslims, Allah sent down the Torah to Moses and the Injeel to Jesus but they were later corrupted. Muslims also tell us that Allah also sent down the Koran to Mohammed but he is protecting it from corruption. The question is why will Allah send down two books and allow them to be corrupted, doesn't he want people to know the true messages he revealed? Why reveal something as important as that as an almighty God and allow mere men to corrupt it twice? Why protect the Koran over other the other two messages you have revealed? How does that make any sense? Muslims in the house over to you.

The exodus as narrated in the bible is non historical. The bible refused to state the name of the Egyptian Pharoah which is the hallmark of all mythological writing.

KingEbukasBlog:
I think my statement is coherent enough . If you dont believe it , investigate it . Im not here to discuss the usual regurgitated ludicrous gibberish you always spew

You speak thrash and want people to accept, when reality runs contrary to your baseless claim always.

KingEbukasBlog:
Well fortunately , the supernatural tweaks , configures , or defies NATURE and LIFE . That's why some have been cured of sickle cell . If you don't believe it , investigate

More thrash talk, if the supernatural defies nature as you say then why are there no clear cut miracles anywhere? Why can't any God heal amputees and restore their amputated limbs back? No body has ever been healed of any sickle cell without the help of medicine, any body that claims other wise is simply lying. Christians are known to tell lies to promote their religion all the time.

malvisguy212:
hell is for satan and demon.

And the unbelievers that do no believe in the mythology supposedly. All will burn in that fictitious fire for their unbelief.

johnydon22:
[b]Both the bible and the Quran are relics of a barbaric past that has an unfortunate hold on 21st century beings.

It is from such books that Children are encouraged to pray and fast for economic development instead of working for it by employing basic economic tactics of the society.

Such books introduce them to a stark world view filled with abject violence, misogyny, chronic savagery, barbarism and introduce in them psychological fear of abstract concepts like satans and demons.

Such superstitious hunk of ancient eloquent poetry is quite dangerous to the intellectual development of 21st century beings because the only way to murder the intellectual evolution of our specie is to indoctrinate in them unsubstantiated beliefs of the past.

I do not support introduction of young minds to such books such as Bible, Quran or even Hindu Veda.

The little ones know nothing or understand things hatred, misogyny, discrimination or violent unjust capital punishments filled in these books neither are they up to the age of separating what they find to be implausible to what they find not to be... What we teach them is what they take.

This is the reason many adults still believe a donkey talked to a man and he didn't find it unusual that a donkey talked and ran the hell out of there, or that an arab man split the moon. . . this is because they were indoctrinated and introduced to these books at a very young age.

Such books is the reason why some think something that allegedly was big enough to create the universe, billions of galaxies, trillions of planets and uncountable stars came to a tiny insignificant planet in the orions arm of the milky way and indulged into a childish show of fighting with humans and trying to show off to a pharaoh and needs humans to worship it or it burns them..

These books like Medicines should be kept out of the reach of Children until they are up to age of reasoning for themselves and sound volitive ability.

But on another note i still recommend these books can be enjoyed as a piece of ancient antiquity and eloquent depiction of noble ancient world views just like Epic of Gilgamesh, Enuma- Elis, Maat, Codes of Uruk and many other eloquent ancient works of art..[/b]

Both the Bible and the Koran place more emphasis on our need to fear God than love God, for God's retribution and punishment is the worst thing that can happen to you. Now, you cannot be fearful and at peace at the same time. If God can be violent towards you, and that is okay, what unconscious message does that send to a child?

Image123:
How do you know if i think that his existence doesn't have any meaning or value?

You stated it.

Image123:
This one doesn't know if his own existence has any meaning or value, yet he is asking of someone else's. Mtchewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

How do you know that his existence doesn't have any meaning or value? Does your own existence have a better meaning and value than his because he doesn't share your belief?

Fadman4real:
I don't want to derail this thread, you can always search on google. If we both saw an elephant for the first time our descriptions would be different because we are different human beings. I don't know the bible that is in heaven but I know the words of Jesus in my bible are the truth and life.

The bible in heaven would contain the words of Jesus which I live by and those are the words every one of us would be judged with.

There is nothing like that on google, no christian has ever been pronounced dead for two days came back to life and said he saw anything, most just lie in order to either sell books or become famous. If you read their books many of which I have read you will know that they are all telling lies because they each describe heaven and the Jesus they saw very differently.

KingEbukasBlog:
I'm talking of matter and energy not mass and energy . How is matter = energy .



Always existing . Like God is always existing

Mass= matter because matter means anything that has mass and occupies space. Mass then equals to matter.

oluamid:
What really irks me is to see theists try to prove the existence of God by quoting religious texts like the Bible or the Koran. Like, does any sensible person expect those books that are basically the 'God textbook' to say that God does not exist?


You will hear things like "önly a fool says there's no God".

Simply ask them to prove the existence of God without quoting their dear books and they automatically end the conversation. Now, who is the brainwashed? :'

The people that wrote the bible and the Koran are the God the christians and muslims believe in. When ever a christian or muslim mentions the word Hod just know that he is referring to the men that wrote the bible or the Koran because without those men who reasoned and formulated their God idea, there won't be a Christian or a muslim.

Fadman4real:
I am yet to hear of a muslim been confirmed as dead to rise and then say stories of what he saw when he died.

Name one christian that has been confirmed dead for two days , who woke up and told people stories of heaven. By the way, why are christians always giving different and conflicting stories about this heaven and tge after life of theirs? Some will tell you they died and God showed them people burning in fire, while others will tell you that they died and God showed them people that were separated from him living in a dark place, not a fiery place. The description of the so called heaven varies greatly , some claim people are allowed to marry their earthly spouses, others say its not allowed, some claim they even saw the bible there in heaven. The question is which bible did they see? Is it the Catholic bible with its 72 books , the protestant bible with its 66 books, the Greek orthodox bible or the Ethiopian bible with its 68 books. Which bible did they see in heaven out of the many types?

KingEbukasBlog:
Am actually talking of an atheist being superstitious . Does it make any sense to you ?

Nope it doesn't, but some atheist that are spiritual. They are more like deist in their world view.

KingEbukasBlog:
Dalaman is here . We should be expecting his replies

The afterlife is also just an idea that is imprinted the minds of people just like God that is why there are different ideas and versions of the afterlife. Muslims have had visions of the Islamic heaven, many people that believe in reincarnation speak of its reality. The Dailama is a living example of a reincarnated person. I am just tired of this spiritual mumbo jumbo thrash people keep making along as they go. Show me the incontrovertible evidence. People should stop making things up in order to promote their various ideas of God and the afterlife.

KingEbukasBlog:
The atheists just dont know what faith is

Faith means believing things in the absence of evidence because you want them to be true.

KingEbukasBlog:
I think my statement is coherent enough

Won't you go and dash your pastor money today? You are busy arguing with atheist on nairaland.

UyiIredia:
Simple. People have died seen the afterlife and been revived told their experience. Some have seen it near-death and some have experienced it as dreams or visions.

It is here that the polarized mindset of an ignorant atheist comes into play. If the person died without a report of an afterlife, like say, Fabrice Muamba you'd hear nothing. But let someone who died say he/she saw an afterlife: petty rationalizations will fly in especially the one about it being illusions caused by misfiring neurons.

Who do you know that has been declared dead for 2 days that came back to life and said anything? Many Hindus also claim to have died and reincarnated, do you also believe that? Near death experience has nothing to do with the afterlife according to scientist since it can be induced in the lab.

KingEbukasBlog:
God is uncreated and has always been existing .

The version of God you believe in was created by the ancient Hebrew men. The ancient Hebrew, Greek and Roman men are your God since they made the bible you believe in.

What about the tens of millions of theist that have left theism for atheism?

winner01:
You should substantiate your dumb claims first. You think i will take dumb questions seriously.
When you begin to show signs of open-mindedness and a receptive heart, ill consider taking you serious.
For now, keep expressing your rage against God, even though in your view He dosent exist.

Which God? The men that wrote the bible? They are all dead that is why you always have to defend and explain away what their myths and imaginations. They people that wrote the bible are the God you believe in.

winner01:
Not only how life came about, you sure dont know anything about anything. So what exactly do you want?
You desperately want us not to know with you, right?.

What do you know apart from the mythology and fiction the ancient Hebrew men (who happen yo be your God) wrote? I've asked you many times over to tell me what the purpose of juman life is but you've been unable to do that despite claiming to posses such knowledge.

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol .

A muslim shouldn't be interested in theology . If I should explain it could be considered as heretical . Just know a creator exists and move on with your life .

If you provide evidence for this creator then I will believe. By the way, why are you the one telling me and wanting me to believe this creator? Why doesn't he do it himself? Your God are the people that wrote the bible because when you talk about God you point to what evee it is they wrote down. They are your God and they are all dead.

KingEbukasBlog:
@Dalaman ... you always talk about how God was invented by humans and I've never seen you refute science's abiogenesis evolution and big bang . What are the absurdities in these theories that made you discredit them ?

Yes Gods are man made ideas that is why there are different Gods. I do not believe in Evolution because it is also full the supposition of the scientist. Cosmic expansion is true and can be observed. What we don't know for sure is what the universe is. We can only view a tiny part of it. The hubble deep field is the most we have been able to see, yet there is much more to it. So why jump into conclusion one way or the other when you do not fully know the system you are dealing with.

KingEbukasBlog:
Genesis 6:4

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown

Can you prove the above is not true ? This is someone who claimed to be a christian and he does not even know this ? . Dalaman you are a muslim , embrace your religion .

You keep displaying your folly always, when will you stop? According to the biblical story the said giants came down had sex with daughters of men after which God destroyed the earth completely through a flood, leaving only 8 members of the same family about 4200 years ago. Apart from the fact that the global flood is a fictitious myth, can you explain to me how 8 people can populate the earth and fill it to about 7 billion with many different races in just 4200 years.

I used logic and probability to explain how this statement you keep making is wrong . You don't know how life came about but you are sure a creator is not responsible . It does not make any sense when dealing with uncertainty when it comes to explaining the genesis of life . Are you being deliberately obtuse or what ?

The problem with you is your endless lies, I have never stated that a creator is not responsible for the creation of the universe. The question is you do not know if a creator is responsible for the creation of the universe, you just believe, you do not know if it is only one creator or if there are many, you just believe because the people that happen to be your God, the people that wrote the bible said only one creator is responsible, if they said there are many creators you will believe them. Some religions believe that many creators created the universe, can you prove to me that they are wrong and it is only one creator that created the universe? Even if it is only one creator, can you prove to me that it is the God of your religion and not the God of Islam?

KingEbukasBlog:
Pained muslim ... you've not yet shown us how the offsprings of a man and a woman cannot in anyway populate this world . The so called aliens that the early men saw where Fallen Angels and they slept with the daughters of men . Adam and Eve were not just the persons involved.

When will you quit acting a fool? Just show how it is scientifically possible for all humans to have descended just from one man and one woman. You said I should show that it is not possible and in the next sentence you are saying that some fallen angles were involved. You don't just seem to accept the mythologies that your God's wrote down, you always want to change what they wrote, where did your Gods write that Angels were involved in populating the earth? Your delusion is getting worse daily.

You've not shown us how a single cell could bring about billions of life forms littered on the face of the earth . You've not shown how it is very possible for life to come forth and develop in an overwhelming manner without any creator . You've not yet explained why man has "a bigger better brain " than animals . You've not shown us how humans traced their origin from Nuberu or whatever . You keep making claims and forceful assertions without proof . Dalaman show why life does not need a creator . Show me here

I don't know how life came about, until a definitive answer is found, I have no claim to make about it. I have never made any claim, you on the other hand believe in the fictitious assertions of some ancient Hebrew men who claim that some elusive imaginary figure created everything in seven days. Please can you explain to us the mechanism the God they imagined spoke the cells into existence using the Hebrew language?

winner01:
Look here dalaman dullard, you were never a christian, you know absolutely nothing about christianity.
Riches is good but its not synonymous to godliness, anyone can be rich. As long as this earth remains

Tell that to KingEbukasblog and many other christians who feel other wise. You see the bible also says other wise in some parts. The bible was written by different people who have very different ideas of who God is and how God acts, most of the view and imagine God differently that is why the bible is filled with contradictions, it says one thing in one place and then say the direct opposite in another place. There are many places where God promises wealth only to those that believe in him and destruction to those that do not believe in him. It is all there in that book of contradiction called the bible, that is why on every issue you will find christians on opposing sides all using the bible and quoting verses to justify their positions. There are places in the bible where it specifically says that the unbelievers and the wicked will have their wealth destroyed. But the reality we see around says the bible or who ever wrote it doesn't know what he is talking about.

But transgressors will be altogether destroyed; The posterity of the wicked will be cut off. Psalm 37:38

The house of the wicked will be destroyed, but the tent of the upright will flourish. Proverbs 14:11

Because they do not regard the works of the LORD Nor the deeds of His hands, He will tear them down and not build them up Psalm 28:5

As long as the earth remaineth, seedtime and harvest, and cold and heat, and summer and winter, and day and night shall not cease.- Gen 8:22

Whatever you sow, you reap, positively or negatively, moneywise or anything. Its the system. it has nothing to do with knowing God. If a satanist plants a seed, it will grow. its the same with investing money.

False, many people sow good and reap evil, others sow evil and reap good. Many things in this life just seem to happen arbitrarily or haphazardly. Some people plant and it does not even grow for one reason or the other, many invest money in good businesses and it fails, many other invest in bad businesses and it flourishes. That is the reality of this life.

Nowhere in the bible did God say unbelievers wont be rich, maybe throughout your years of false christianity you never came accross this;

He maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust. - Matt 5:45

But there are places in the bible where God said the wealth of the sinners will dry up or be inherited by the Godly.

"Good people leave an inheritance to their grandchildren, but the sinner's wealth passes to the godly". - Proverbs 13:22

There are many passages in the bible where God promised riches and prosperity to those that believe in him.

2 Corinthians 8:9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Other verses have God promising believers that they shall always be the head and never the tail in what they do.

The devil tempted Jesus with the riches of the world, oh yes he has power over the riches of the earth and answers only to God. His temporary control started when our first parents swore their alleigance to the devil.

We demand our godly riches due to a greater authority and dominion in us through Christ. Others have wealth which by default is from contrary sources.


This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have GOOD SUCCESS.- Josh 1:8

The bible specifically classifies the type of success. It seems to me that there is such a thing as BAD SUCCESS.
Success is not success in Gods defination.If you choose not to believe God, by default you have sided with evil. satan gives, God gives, you choose.

These are basics. You were never a christian, if you ever were, then you knew nothing about it. You were just following blindly, i guess its d same for your newly found belief.

Your first parents? Can you provide any scientific evidence to show that all of humanity descended from one man and one woman? You are a foolish man, how can a Nigerian be claiming to have descended from two Hebrews? Adam and Eve are Hebrews go and embrace your own Yoruba mythology and stop peddling the mythology and fiction of the ancient Hebrews. Stop talking thrash about success is not success in God's definition, your God has no definition, Your God are the bible writers, they are your God because what ever they wrote is what you accept hook line and sinker, you have no God but dead ancient men who wrote the bible. When you show me anything that your God wrote himself then I will begin to take you seriously, until then your God remains the dead men who wrote the bible.

KingEbukasBlog:
lwkmd ... check out the top 100 richest on forbes list and point out how many atheists are there . "God has nothing to do with wealth" is an assertion . Carlos and Bill are catholics . Which one is non practicing catholic ? Do you live in his house ? You are desperately making false claims . Deal with it God exists .

Bill Gates, Carlos Slim, Warren Buffet, Larry Elision all these are the top 4 and they are either agnostic or atheists.

Bill Gates does not believe in any God, he has always maintained that he is an agnostic. He now evasive when it comes to the God question unlike before when he clearly stated that religion doesn't really make much sense. He has always maintained that he doesn't know if a God exist or not but he understands why people believe in God and it makes sense to believe in God.

In his last interview with the Rolling Stone Magazine in 2014 this was what he said:

Do you believe in God?

"I agree with people like Richard Dawkins that mankind felt the need for creation myths. Before we really began to understand disease and the weather and things like that, we sought false explanations for them. Now science has filled in some of the realm – not all – that religion used to fill. But the mystery and the beauty of the world is overwhelmingly amazing, and there's no scientific explanation of how it came about. To say that it was generated by random numbers, that does seem, you know, sort of an uncharitable view [laughs]. I think it makes sense to believe in God, but exactly what decision in your life you make differently because of it, I don't know."

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/news/bill-gates-the-rolling-stone-interview-20140313?page=5


As for Carlos Slim he has always maintained that he has stopped going church since after his wife died. He is a non practicing Catholic. Those that know him say he is non religious.

" Slim doesn’t seem to be too outwardly religious, and some report him as not very devout.2 His faith isn’t something he talks much about–or at all, really.

But in the end, Slim is a man with a mind for business and numbers, and head-in-the-clouds religion and spirituality doesn’t seem to be of much concern to him.

http://hollowverse.com/carlos-slim/

God has nothing to do with wealth, because people of all religions and those with no religions at all have many amonst them that are rich. No evidence to show that christians that sow seed, pay tithes and offer money to the christian God are richer than those that don't give or offer money to the christian God.

Did you see how you pointed out Dangote as a muslim and ridiculed tithing and the rest . Dalaman the devoted muslim

My point is that paying tithe or sowing seed to Yahweh has nothing to do with wealth because the richest person in Nigeria does not tithe or sow any seed in any church. He is a muslim and if you put all the wealth of all the major prosperity preaching pastors together it won't amount to half of what he has. God has nothing to do with wealth. No evidence to show for that at all.

Refrain from pouring your frustration here . No one cares

The bold text ode

What are you saying my man?

Lmao ... Dalaman the devoted muslim . Will you go to the mosque tomorrow ?

No I will go to Shango shrine tomorrow.

KingEbukasBlog:
Your opinion

Just look at the Forbes list of billionaires, Bill Gates is an agnostic, Warren Buffet is an atheist, Larry Ellison is a non practicing Jew, Carlos Sim a non practicing Catholic. The richest black man Dangote is a muslim, he doesn't pay any sow any seed or pay any tithe, yet he is richer than all the mega pastors in Nigeria put together. God has nothing to do with wealth, that is what the reality around us shows.

The lies you tell leave the devil amazed ... ah ah

Can you point out the lies? Show it or shut up.

You sound frustrated with arguing against God .

Stop projecting your self and how you feel on me.

KingEbukasBlog:
I told you I've earned more than I have given God - this is a simple understandable statement

Many people don't give anything to any God but they own and remain some of the most successful business owners in the world today. God has nothing to do with money or how successful a person or a group of persons will be that is a fact.

You are trying to compare religion and science here .

Religion is based on mythical and fictitious supposing while scince is based mostly on experimentation and intelligent guesses even though some of them are off the point.

Please Dalaman , can you name these places and these people are from which country ? Location ? Give me something

Let me give you just a few example, when small pox and the Bubonic plague were ravaging most of Europe, the church and most of the people prayed to God to save them, nothing happened, it went on to kill about 50 million people before medical cure was found for it. Prayers have never eradicated any plague any where, when Ebola hit, many people died despite the endless prayers that were offered, medical science was what saved the day, all the God failed the people that prayed to them. The Nigerian government had to warn all these lying pastors against claiming to hell Ebola, any pastor that claims he can heal Ebola was told that he will be arrested. The pastors all stayed away because the saw that the government was serious for the first time, non of the claimed to have healed Ebola until after Nigeria was declared Ebola free then some of them came and started they cured a few people, bunch of liars.

The person , the person ... who is this person . You keep assuming and making false claims . Who is healing who spiritually and who is getting worse after the prayers . Who is this person who was "healed spiritually" . Please can you be exact in any way ?

Isn't that what you all do?

KingEbukasBlog:
As in eh ... the guy should give up already . Love , joy , favour , success , answers to prayers ... Dalaman we could go on and on .

Will you quit this answer to prayer thrash that you keep spewing all the time. You guys are just funny because you will always look for a way out. You said that any body that gives and doesn't receive should know that there is a problem, I asked how rich you are despite your constant giving and your friend winner01 tried to change the topic to receiving happiness, peace, love and favor which are all empty platitudes. You guys always have ways of evading things or changing topic, let me give you an example.

The bible says that prayer will heal anything if only you believe. But prayer never "heals anything" at a rate higher than random chance, and has a far worse record of healing than the most basic medical science. You have to do some major inoculating against logic, not against disease to make faith healing by prayer viable in the face of the fact that it does not work.

People prayed like maniacs and died in droves from the plague, smallpox, child-bed fever, influenza, rabies, polio, syphilis, etc before there were medical treatments. In places without medicine, people still die from those conditions no matter how much or how hard they pray.

But with medicine, fearsome diseases like leprosy have been treated successfully. Some diseases have even been completely eliminated. Nowadays, people routinely get better or never get sick, even if they never pray at all. Prayer has never in human history eradicated a single disease from a population in the absence of medicine. And people never get healed from amputations, Down's syndrome, Alzheimers, brain tumors etc through prayers alone.

But not when it comes to religion because religious people will claim they were healed "spiritually" no matter what the medical outcome. With science, you cannot claim a person was healed when they are still sick. But with religion, you can always claim a "spiritual" victory, even if the person gets worse after the prayers. You can still say the person was healed spiritually after they have died of the illness. So with religion you can always claim anything and run away with it.

KingEbukasBlog:
You can keep your video to yourself . My comment was in relation to the topic and the lady's comment . If you couldn't decipher that , then its your business . Trust me Ive been on youtube for a long time and I watched lots and lots of this type of videos

We don't need to go too far. We can start with you. How much do you have after paying all the tithes, sowing all the seeds and offering all the money. Do you have 10 million naira cash at hand?