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winner01:
Dalaman has never stated precisely what he believes in.
He's been careful not to make that mistake.

Instead he centres on attacking your belief.

Its like a footballer willingly playing against either goal posts, trying to convince his coach to see the sense in it.
Confusing ainit?

Its difficult and fruitless argueing with such people, cos no matter how much you try, the circles will continue and wont make sense

What do you mean that I have never stated exactly what I believe in? I believe in many thing. I do not believe in things that can not be verified. You just use your God as an explanation to things you do not know. For example you do not know the origin of the universe of how life on earth came about and you attributed it to God. If asked to provide evidence for this God and you will begin to speak in tongues. Didn't your God tell us how he created the world in the book of genesis according to people who we are told wrote and speak on his behalf? Is the genesis creation account the accurate explanation for the universe we see around us? I don't need to know what 2345 x 23454 is but I know that it can never be 10. That is what we are discussing about here when it comes to the issue of God of man made religions and creation or the reality we see around us. You guys just keep using God as your default position for "I don't know".

musKeeto:
I understand the analogy is to ridicule the atheist position that God doesn't exist. The babies represent us, humans. The womb represents our universe. The woman, God, our source and through whom we have life.

But that is all it is, an analogy and nothing more. For none of those babies can describe with certainty what their mom looks like. None can claim to have communicated with their mom while in the womb. And it would be a heartless mom who would kill one baby after delivery for claiming she never existed when there was absolutely no proof.

How and why they fail to understand this is what I fail to grasp most of the time.

winner01:
Lol. One can not but just wonder how these people think.
In many threads i just read through comments and wonder.
They seem to know their way around, blindly.
Responding over and over again is beginning to look stale to me
Fact remains, the original idea of Na.kedness is still scientifically uncertain.

You might need to find out the meaning of nudism.


Like Thoniameek said, People could be aware of their na.kedness and still move around like they dont care for one reason or the other.
Villagers could do such till date so as to preserve their culture, not that they arnt aware
Porn people show their bodies to the whole world like they dont care, i believe they know the meaning of na.kedness. They choose to be naked for a reason
Nudists also do what they do for particular reasons.
No one has really answered why man realized unclothedness or the point at which he did, all these defences are in favour of protection from harsh climate, societal norms, individual perception.

These endless circles are boring already.

The purpose of your thread was to show that unclothedness has God as it's origin, that has clearly been shown to be false on this thread. People wear clothes for different reasons, some of which have been outlined, nudity varies from place to place and above all it is the society that one finds himself and the culture that one is raised in that determines everything about nudity. God has no role in it.

Thoniameek:
If you say so then.....

Agreed, we taught ourselves many a thing..... Like marriage: it had a system, one man to one woman is taught to be right and the best way, but hey! We still had cohabitation, polygamy, gay marriages and the likes..... My piont is; the society can decide a lot if things but human beings still chose what they consider best for them as individuals.

One man one wife is taught to be right in the society you live in. A Hausa muslim man living in Kano state Nigeria sees nothing wrong in having 4 wives because his society accepts it, his religion permits him and the man whom his entire life is supposed to be modeled after(Prophet Mohammed) had 9 wives. A woman living in Saudi Arabia sees nothing wrong in sharing a man with 3 other women, he religion and societies teaches her that is is right. A gay guy living in New York or California sees nothing wrong with him publicly displaying affection with his gay lover, but a gay guy in Nigeria can not. They both have the same urge and feeling as gays but they can't do the same thing because of the society. It is the society that always determines everything for us. Society and our period in time in history is what determines our behavior. Just 400 years ago, do you think the slave owners in America and Europe think they were doing anything wrong when they owned Africans?

Somehow the society decided clothes are good. And are to be worn at all times? Even when you don't feel like?

Yes that is because it is the society that determines everything for us. I just posted a YouTube video of a society where they don't see nudity as a bad thing, all of them are naked and don't even know that they are naked.

Considering the fact that we are individuals. What goes down well with one person may not go down well with the other person....

Dalaman, I can choose to go to work naked tomorrow, but what people would say wouldn't mean much to me like how I'll feel within. Why am I so conscious of my body when I'm without clothes, when I don't know what being unclothed is?

Dalaman, why don't you just go bare when it's hot? Just for that time when its hot? After all, it is legit - no law guarding against unclothedness.
No one notices you're naked, and no one understands what unclothedness is? Or do they? If so - why?[/quote]The society I live in frowns at nudity and has made it illegal and as such I can not move around naked even if I want to do so? If the society does not frown at nudity and makes it legal then I can do so without shame.

KingEbukasBlog:
You are perv

You don't know the time but you are sure that at some point man just decided to invent clothing ?

My friend stop assuming jare

It's a fact that at some point man decided to invent cloth, just the way that at some point man decided to invent housing and cultivate crops. These are fact, to deny that is to deny reality as we know it.

KingEbukasBlog:
Mr. man ...you are clearly assuming . So tell me at what point during the existence of man did man decide to wear clothes ? Dates ? Time ? Location ?

Wow me

I don't know, all I know is that before the white man came all the ladies of your tribe were walking around bare chested with their boobies dangling for all to see.

KingEbukasBlog:
Satisfying ? Why are the answers not satisfying ? Or they don't make sense to you ?

Look at picture below :

How would you describe the robot

It was designed in man's image or share some resemblance with man ... right ?


1. Does it have a fuctional peni.s ?

2. Does it have a functional va.gina?

3. Does it have blood running in its system ?

4. Is it conscious of its environment ?

5. Doesn't it work - having limitations as designed by its creators ?

6. What the fukk is wrong with you

The robots are made in man's image because like man:

1. They are made up of matter just like man

2. They can been seen, felt and touched.

3. They occupy space.

4. They have dimensions

5. They have man's facial features.

6. They have man's form.

So which among's your God's features do we have since you keep insisting that we are made in his image, tell us so that we can know.

KingEbukasBlog:
Stop the prevarication and being indigenous about derailing the thread . You started it

You see how you evaded answering why you don't support those theories ... huh ??

For the hundredth time - We are created in God's image . We share physical resemblances with God . Is it hard to understand or are you being hypocritical as usual ?

I told you that I don't believe them because they do not give me satisfying answers. We are created in God's image? Why then are we not invisible since we are created in his image. Does God have a penis? What about a vagina? Does God have it? Does God pee? Does he poop? Does he have pubic hair and hair under his arm? Created in the image of God indeed.

KingEbukasBlog:
Dalaman , this is the question I asked you . She elucidated it .

Because we taught ourselves that simple. Over time as we got so comfortable with clothes our minds evolved and we associated it with morality. For example, men that live in a society where people don't wear clothes don't feel anything when they see naked women, because they are used to it right from childhood, but that can not be said to be the case in societies where people wear clothes. When men see naked women in societies where they wear clothes they get sexually aroused. Humans have taught themselves many many things over time.

KingEbukasBlog:


Nudism has to do with choice ... lmao

This is so naive

Many people the world over don't see anything wrong with being naked. Before the white people came all the people of your tribe were moving with little or no clothing. They didn't even know it was wrong.

KingEbukasBlog:
Am done with this balderdash you talk about . You haven't proven that this God we talk about is not real. You claim you don't support the Big Fraud Theory , Abiogenesis and the Evolution . You've not yet explained for months and months why you dont support these theories .

Have you proven that this God of yours exist anywhere else apart from your imaginations? You can not even describe to me in details the features of this God of yours but you keep yapping about it. Your God exist inside your head, just the way the muslim's Allah and the Hindu's Brahma also exists inside the head of the muslim and Hindu respectively.

I don't believe things that have no incontrovertible evidence. You claim that there is this thing called God that is alive, speaks the humans language, is all powerful and can do all things, I asked you to provide evidence for this being and you start pointing at trees, mountains, animals and humans as evidence for this being and you expect me to take you seriously? Let's not derail this topic .

KingEbukasBlog:
@Dalaman and Goosebaba - because some cultures permit covering only the genitals doesn't stop God from existing . That was a puerile assertion to make .

God has nothing to do with whether people wear clothes or not. Clothing is a human invention. It has nothing to do with any God idea. Your God remains a man made idea in case you need to be reminded of that fact.

KingEbukasBlog:
That doesn't answer the question . Hit the nail on the head !

What are you saying?

KingEbukasBlog:
@dalaman .... no culture permits stark "uncladness" .

That's why decency as regards to clothing defer according to one's tradition or culture

I just posted a video of a people that live completely naked and you are still yapping. I was in Cyprus this summer and they have a nudist colony there in Ayia Napa. Most of the people there move around naked and they see nothing wrong with it.

KingEbukasBlog:
So why should man who is supposedly an animal feel shame when he/she is unclad ? And then has to be taught to feel shame when he/she is unclad .

Care to take care of issues from their roots ?

Man can be taught anything. A muslim has been taught that eating pork is very bad as such muslims will not eat port even if they are starving, if they are to do so they will feel shame about it. Africans before the advent of Europeans were moving around without clothes, that is a fact, our ancestors were moving around bare chested, now ladies all over Nigeria can not move around bare chested because they have been told and made to feel shame about it.

winner01:
Lol!!! You have said virtually the same thing with the guys on the first page. The original perception of na.kedness as shame still remains scientifically uncertain. Post the links to those documentaries, so we can verify their authenticity. thanks.

YouTube is filled with such videos, you'll have to login and verify your age before you can view the video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skT6QWUArP4

God-haters and their way around everything. You've all tried, individual opinions.

If the Bible wanted us to know about all things, it would have specified the humans in genesis 4:15.
But its not a story book, it only reveals us what we need to know..my opinion.

In line with God's word, we will continue to unravel the mysteries surrounding the earth.

This is reality check, it has nothing to do with any God, nudity and the feeling of shame that is associated with it has to be learned. A child doesn't know that he is naked he is taught to feel shame when naked. If you don't tell a child that nudity is wrong he will grow up to see nothing wrong with it. Many people the world over were taught how to wear clothes. We Nigerians were taught how to wear clothes by the whites and Arabs. Your great great great great grand parents didn't wear any clothes.

You guys need to study things outside your myopic world view so that you will learn reality and not be grounded by the very narrow minded view of others you have been indoctrinated with to believe is the only truth.

winner01:
Good!. Sorry about the title but now that i have your attention. Lets think this out.

Now my point is, why did man start wearing clothes?

Man started wearing clothes primarily for protection against harsh weather, because it protects man from rough surfaces, rash-causing plants, insect bites, splinters, thorns and prickles by providing a barrier between the skin and the environment and later for comfort because he later realized that clothes will make him look more beautify while hiding his natural body flaws.

If the man and the woman incredibly emerged from an explosion. How did they ever come about the idea of na.kedness.

Is this really a question? If the idea of clothing came from God then why do some culture not know what clothing is until other cultures came and taught them what it is?

If man evolved from animals, how come male and female animals still move around "na.ked" till date and why havent they done something about their na.kedness.

Is a goat naked? Are your dogs naked? Don't they have covering on their bodies?

Some say the early man lived in an ice-blasted world where he needed to keep his body temperature at healthy levels. I say good reason, but why is it that only man has this exception. I mean other known animals and even plants have an IN-BUILT adaptation to their environment e.g Polar bears, chameleons, snails, Zerophytes e.t.c so why does man get an exception. Seems to me like something happened along the line.

You need to read about human social evolution, it has been well documented, the Europeans were the people the people that wore clothes the most. Man is the only animal that has conquered the world and has been able to create and invent things that will enable him survive in very harsh environment. A polar bear can not survive in the sahara desert, man can survive both in the arctic region and the sahara desert because he has used his brain to create things that will help him survive there.

Man couldnt have invented clothes just to look good or keep warm. He simply knew something about his na.kedness, and thats odd if you ask me because he emerged, appeared or evolved na.ked according to those theories above. So how did he know about na.kedness

If you study the history of clothing you will realize that it is actually people that live in cold regions that wore clothes mostly. The Europeans and some parts of Asia that are cold wore clothes mostly and as they expanded their territory through land grab and colonialism they introduced clothing and taught their subjects how to wear clothes. Read Pizzaro's Book, he was one of the conquistadors that first went to North America and conquered it, most of the people they met there were without clothes before the white man arrived and taught them how to wear clothes. Up till today some of them don't wear clothes.

The idea of some body parts becoming private couldnt have developed over time. Man simply realised that he was na.ked and needed to cover his private parts

This is completely false because history has shown that a lot of people were living their lives completely naked without clothing until others came and introduced clothing to them. If you are a Nigerian which I believe you are then 600 years ago most of the people living in your village were moving around naked without any guilt or shame until the white man came and introduced them to clothing. Today every body in your village wears clothes and considers moving around naked to be a bad thing, something that wasn't so many many years ago.

More.

winner01:
@ bolded, I knew someone must have been wondering why i made the last statement about breasts.

I expected that soon people would go to google to show us pictures of australian aborigines, early indians and africans and their likes.

Interestingly all the pics above and even the link show a form of clothing/covering on their their reproductive organs.
I wouldnt want to believe that they are protecting only their reproductive organs from harsh weather conditions
Why then are they covering their reproductive organs.

Maybe there something we dont know, can someone give us a list of tribes that moved or moves around stark na.ked without any form of covering around their reproductive organs.
We can learn a thing or two. Not these half na.ked ones. Thanks

There are many tribes in the Amazon jungle that move around naked. There are many videos of them on YouTube. You can watch and learn.

Kreysik:
Stop giving every thing a literal interpretion..that would be an unintelligent thing to do..just giving you a scenario..the judgment here on earth cannot be the same as that in the hereafter
I guess you don't oppose the fact that a righteous man should spend his life in unequaled and unimaginable merriment "heaven" but unintelligently kicking against hell

Do you personally think it's OK for people that do not share your belief to burn in hell forever? Will you be happy in heaven knowing that your friends, colleagues etc who do not share your beliefs are burning inside fire for ever?

trapQ:
I didn't read past the first line.
Good day.

Why will you read past the first line when it has exposed your lies.

Kreysik:
Mr man..the event of judgment is no other than retributive justice in other words you get what you give...why not question the court of law for sending a cruel criminal to life time imprisonment
Another analogy is planting corn...if you plant corn it will be unjust to rip weed and if you plant weed it will be unjust to rip corn

Which court burns people in a furnace? Weed are not conscious humans. The fact that you don't want to answer my question says a lot. Again what will your child do to you that will make him burn in a furnace for a week?

Kreysik:
Maybe you don't know what retribution and justice is
Does the mother love for her child prevent her from punishing the child when he/she does something wrong?

What will your child do to you that will make your burn him for one week inside a furnace?

trapQ:
What well known fact? I repeat, we do not lie to promote christianity? The problem isn't that we lie, the problem is that you people never believe the truth. Lots and lots of testimonies are given everyday by muslims in extremist countries about having encounters with JESUS christ. These are people who would be killed for being christians and you dare say we spread lies?? What lies?? I have experienced miracles myself that if I were to give here, you would still I'm lying.

Of course you are lying. That is all what you guys do tell lies in oder to promote your religion.

Google JOHN G.LAKE. He was an american evangelist. He ministered to people with deadly diseases in South Africa but never contacted the killer viral disease. His reason being that the holy spirit lived in him and that those viruses would die upon contact with his body. Then series of tests were carried out him by some persons( because of fear that he had contacted the disease and needed to be quarantined). They discovered that those viruses dies upon contact with his body.

I Google him up and as I expected he is a fraud and a charlatan. Here is what I got from Wikipedia.

"Lake's ministry in South Africa was not without controversy. Morton wrote[1]:114–15 that Lake was accused of: misappropriating the AFM's funds, particularly that funds did not flow to poor rural areas but were concentrated with Lake and his party; acting dictatorially; exaggerating the effectiveness of the revival movement he led; and staging miraculous healings through audience plants. He also wrote that "an analysis of the missionary career of John G Lake shows that the initial spread of Pentecostalism and Zionism in southern Africa was facilitated by the systematic use of fraud and deception."

Here is it, you are promoting a former Zionist fraud.

These are not fables, they are for the glory of GOD. There are many documented miracles with evidences. Our GOD is a miracle working GOD, the alpha and omega.

They are fables, they day you bring an amputee that has had he/her amputated limbs restored then we can talk, until then you can keep bandying your urban legends and fraudulent assertions.

trapQ:
Like seriously?? What you people need to know is that we are not indoctrinated to draw people to our beliefs by spreading lies and heresies. That is all levels of wrong. Anyone who does that doesn't have GOD's spirit in them, so stop thinking that christians waste precious time in creating fables in other to entice people into accepting Christ... NO! NO! NO!

And snopes.com?? Really??
Its no hoax, multiple sources have also confirmed all these to be true.

Which multiple sources? Christians are always telling lies to promote their religion, it is a well known fact.

trapQ:
You're the only delusional one here. The story is no legend. That you or your fellow atheists don't believe doesn't make it a hoax. Besides , you're entitled to your own opinions just as I. You're very much free to stick with your beliefs. Good day.

I gave you a link that proves its a hoax some deluded christian made up,you didn't read it, yet you are still insisting it's not false.

trapQ:
@ dalaman krystalzkris diakon

When will you stop being delusional? The entire story is a hoax and and an urban legend. It has been debunked many many times.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/wellhell.asp

Because women are more emotional than men, they find the God hypothesis more appealing, there is this father figure that will watch over them, attend to their needs, help them out etc. Women find these things more appealing than men. Women believe in God more than men on average, that is why women flock to pastors and Islamic marabouts more than men in Nigeria.

Wishing you all the best bro. How vaiable is the plantain business out there?

KingEbukasBlog:
One quick question :

If this pillar has already being found or proven to be true , can you state why you still describe this story as mythical ...

It hasn't been found or proven to be true anywhere. Didn't you read the Wikipedia entry? Does it sound like something that has been proven to be true? The whole narrative remains a myth.

KingEbukasBlog:
Honestly ... I have not heard of that . Seriously people visit this pillar of salt in Israel ? Can you post a pic of what it looks like ?

Christian pilgrims do go to Israel to visit the alleged pillar of salt.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lot%27s_wife

KingEbukasBlog:
Man was created in the image of God . Man looks like God . God exists - an IRREFUTABLE fact .

Do you have a picture of God to show me so that I'll know if he looks like man or are you regurgitating ancient Hebrew mythology? According to the Koran God does not look like man in any way. Can you provide any evidence to show why the Koran is wrong and why the ancient Hebrews are right? Or will you keep.making noise as always?