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SonOfEl:
again, you don't understand what the bible says, your CARNAL and INTELLECTUAL interpretation is a total hogwash. bible students will laugh at you.

And your spiritual interpretation that forcefully wants to change what was written will make bible students cry at your fraudulent attempt to change what was written.

SonOfEl:
if you are done with the rants, then you get back to the issue constructively. you can NEVER know what you don't understand.

How have you shown that you understand what you claim you know with all the break dance you have been doing since.

djdoxxx:
U Destroyed Him With This Post, After This, I Expect The Hypocrite To Bury His Head In Shame...Lmao!!! Bloody Hypocrite!!!

They don't want to accept what their own bible says. They want you to accept their own personal interpretation and opinion as what the bible is actually saying. They hide under this elusive holy spirit to delude themselves, if there is anything like holy spirit then christians will not be interpreting the bible very differently. All of them interpret the bible differently and all of them lay claim to this elusive holy spirit. If the verse were to be found in the Koran, he will state it exactly as it says.

SonOfEl:
good morning dude, Numbers 23:19 - God is NOT a son of man that he SHOULD REPENT.

You want me to believe this clear verse that says God does not repent, but you also don't want me to believe another verse that says God repents. The bible is a very contradictory book. It says one thing in one book and then says another in another book because the writers all have different conception of who God is to them. Let me give you a clear example.

Love is patient and kind. Love is not jealous or boastful or proud 1 Corinthians 13:4

Compare it do this verse:

You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me. Exodus 20:5

The bible says love is not jealous but then goes to say that God is jealous and that God is love. Isn't that an obvious contradiction? There are places where the bible has God being proud and boastful but the same bible says love is not proud and boastful and that God is love. It's pure contradiction.

various modes and context of English usage has changed over the centuries, and I insist that your are MISINTERPRETING those words based on context. you DONT understand scriptures, again, stop trying trying to explain what you don't understand....

You have failed to show me how I have misrepresented anything. You just refused to accept what was written down, you chose to explain it away even though your explanation doesn't make any sense to you. You have explained it away twice but non of your explanation makes any sense, they all fell flat. What is the context of " I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you"? The context of the verse and everything is there, you just want the bible to say what you personally want it to say not what the writer wants, you have created a God out of your mind using the bible, not the God that the bible writer wants you to believe in which is what all christians do. Just yesterday I saw a pastor preaching on TV who said that a Christian isn't supposed to be poor because Jesus was made poor so that believers will be rich, once you know your position in Christ you can never be poor, because poverty is a sin. That pastor is Just like you, he has created his own God using the bible and doesn't really want to believe in the God the bible talks about. The passage is very clear, I'll go with it and not your puerile opinion.

SonOfEl:
you understanding of the scriptures is hilarious. if God apologizes for a wrong as you think, then he is not God, at least not my God. I have tried to make you understand the context of 'repent' and Gods 'evil', yet you refuse.

You are just trying to make me understand your own opinion of what you believe God should be. The God you have created out of your own mind using the bible does no evil, but the God which the writers of the bible wrote about does evil and repents from it. No amount of gymnastics will save you here. You are only trying to make me accept your opinion and personal interpretation which is different from what the author of that bible passage wrote down. The writers intention is very clear. Yours are just ridiculous and actually fraudulent. Here is what the writer wrote.

"If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up; for I repent Me of the evil that I have done unto you".

Compare it to your own personal opinion below and laugh at your self.

"FOR I HAVE CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT MY JUDGEMENT CONCERNING EVIL TO BEFALL YOU".

SonOfEl:
oga, answer my question, don't impose sects on me.

Anyway, lets not derail, the bible has God doing evil and apologizing for it, you on the other hand tried to dance around the issue but still acknowledged it at the end. That was what I wanted to show you. I have done that. Your assertion that God exist without evil is false because the bible says he does evil, he not only does evil but he repents from it.

SonOfEl:
there you go again. how do you define a denominational church?

You must belong to one of these 3 major sects. Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox.

SonOfEl:
2 Corinthians 3:6 "the letters killeth, but the Spirit giveth life"..... once again, stop intellectualizing bible semantics. you know nothing about what you don't understand.

check the paraphrase again, maybe you will catch it better.

If the writer of the bible verse wants it to mean what you just wrote that will be what he would have written there, but he wrote what he wants and that is what I will take instead of your sorry apologist gymnastic that is so hilarious.

SonOfEl:
Wrong again. am a NON DENOMINATIONAL CHRISTIAN, and there are many like me too.

You are a denominational christain, since you have a local assembly that you belong to.

SonOfEl:
let me paraphrase it:

FOR I HAVE CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT MY JUDGEMENT CONCERNING EVIL TO BEFALL YOU.

. Make things up when you are confronted with realities you don't like is what you guys are good at. You just pulled this one out of your behind. Changed my mind concerning the evil to befall you? Is that what the verse said? The verse very clearly said I repent me for the evil that I have done unto you, meaning the evil was already done and the repentance came afterwards. I will take what the bible says instead of your ridiculous mental gymnastics that is neither here nor there.

SonOfEl:
that's not God, that mans creeds and dogma. all those sects are as a result of creeds and dogmas. but a few are like Paul and Apollos in the bible, Paul "plants", Apollo " waters", but God gives the increase 1corinthians 3:6-9.

But you also belong to man made creed and dogma since you definitely belong to one of the man made creeds and dogmas.

SonOfEl:
where did you see God apologize? like I said earlier, stop intellectualizing bible semantics.

I saw it written inside the verse.

If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up; for I repent Me of the evil that I have done unto you.

Am not intellectualizing it, just stating it as it was written.

SonOfEl:
he has given us his holy spirit to guide us as we study the written scripts, so he does not need letter translation (2 Corinthians 3:6) " the letters killeth, but the spirit gives life"

The same holy spirit that has guided christians to create over 30,000 sects and denomination within the faith, right?

SonOfEl:
dude, it depends on the context with which you use "God doing evil", stop trying to intellectualize spiritual things. GOD doing evil has a context to it, not that God actually DOES evil.

And the context of God doing evil and apologizing for it is what?

SonOfEl:
evil in the context means God, permitting the agents of destruction to operate against the people he was talking to. it is as good as him 'doing the evil' because he PERMITTED it for A REASON.

So after dancing Micheal Jackson you have now agreed that God does evil? It gets worse for you because God according to the verse then apologized for the evil he did. Which means he knew what he did was bad and he was sorry for it. Why then did you say that evil does not exist in God when the bible says it does?

SonOfEl:
pls dude, read another translation of it...if I explain the interpretation to you you will disagree. "repent" has a different meaning in this context, "evil" in this context is used differently...

So your God can not even make sure that people translate his word correctly? The JPS translation of the Hebrew Bible which Jews have stated is the most accurate English translation of the bible has this as the translation of the verse.

"If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up; for I repent Me of the evil that I have done unto you."

http://www.studylight.org/bible/jps/jeremiah/42-10.html.

Jews consider the JPS to be the most correct and accurate translation of the Hebrew bible in English and most Jews use it.

SonOfEl:
you are not been sincere at all, YOU KNOW THAT.

there is NO EVIL in GOD, but because Satan bore evil, God took responsibility for satan's freewill against 'all that is good' (God himself). thus God created Satan ( an epitome of what is known as evil), God created 'evil'.

his love and loyalty to God was tested and found wanting.

just as a childs faithfulness and loyalty is tested through his/her freewill to make some decisions by his/her parent, SO IT IS TOO BETWEEN THE CREATOR AND HIS HIGHEST CREATURES (angels and mankind)

According to the bible there is evil in God, according to the bible God does evil and even repents and apologies for the evil he has done.

And said unto them, Thus saith the LORD, the God of Israel,, unto whom ye sent me to present your supplication before him; 10. If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you. (Jeremiah 42:9-10)


You claim that God does no evil but the bible has him doing evil and apologizing for it.

trapQ:
GADDAFFI (former president of LIBYA)

Sent a letter to prophet TB joshua on the matters at hand.
The prophet replied that GOD said to tell him to hand over power, and the tyrant rained abuses, saying who is the prophet to tell him what to do.

He died shortly after. A rather humiliating and shameful death.

Stop spreading lies, Gaddafi did not even know who T.B Joshua was when he was alive.

winner01:
Very funny view on the Bible.
Look at this thread right here:https://www.nairaland.com/2499498/quotes-famous-men-bible
Ill consider the words of those great world changers before i think of not considering yours.
And I'm not trying to make you believe i have an idea of what im saying, afterall the priests of Jesus' time didnt think he had an idea of what He was saying when He called Himself the Son of God.
Im not even about to go back and forth with any anti-theist for that matter. Ill do that only whenever i feel like.

The problem with you is that you believe in a pack of lies and when ever someone says any thing about the pack of lies you swallow it without reasoning. It can even be demonstrated that most of the quotes from the famous men are nothing but lies that were fabricated, some are empty platitudes and statements just to support and assert their belief in the bible, some of them do not even believe in what they wrote, they just said it to pander to people. Let's go through a few of the statements that are just outright lies.


President George Washington, First President of the United States
“It is impossible to rightly govern the world without God and Bible

The quote is a lie, it was never made by George Washington. This link debunks the lie you just posted, the statement was made by one of his christian biographers who edited his statement. There is no actual record of such a statement ever having been made by Washington himself. The original statement is there on the website together with the edited biography. Stop spreading lies, it seems that is the only thing you are good at. We live in an internet age so any lie you put it can easily be checked and debunked.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/badquotes.htm



Pascal , French philosopher and mathematician, developed the modern theory of probability, 1623-1662
“I prefer to believe those writers who get their throats cut for what they write.”

Please how many people in the bible got their thoughts cut for what the wrote down? Up till today no know knows who truly wrote the gospels and majority of the books in the new testament. A lot of the authors of the old testament also remain unknown so what is this man saying?

Sir William Herschel (1738-1822)
"All human discoveries seem to be made only for the purpose of confirming more & more strongly the truth contained in the Sacred Scriptures".

A lot of human discoveries have shown the bible to be false and the writings of people that know nothing about what they are saying. scientific discovered has rendered the genesis creation account to be false, now christains claim it is an allegory. the sun does not move round the sun as the bible says it does, stars can not fall into the earth as the bible says it does, diseases are not caused by evil spirits as the bible says it does and on and on. What does he mean by all discoveries were only for the purpose of confirming the bible. Which part of the bible talks about electricity and it's discovery? What about the discovery of the various chemical elements and the discovery of microscopic germs for example? Which part of the bible talks about them?

President Ronald Reagan, 40th President of the United States
“Of the many influences that have shaped the United States into a distinctive nation and people, none may be said to be more fundamental and enduring than the Bible.”
“Within the covers of the Bible are the answers for all the problems men face.”

Secularism is what made the USA what it is. The US constitution is the document that has shaped and molded the US into what it is and not the bible. Reagan was just lying. The word God does not even appear in any part of the US constitution talk more of the bible. The US constitution goes against the bible. Secularism and it's principles like freedom of speech and expression, equality of the sexes, capitalism, right to bear arms, hegemony etc are the thing that shaped the US and made it what is it. All of these principles go against the bible.

Abraham Lincoln , 16th President of the United States, 1809-1865
“I am busily engaged in the study of the Bible. I believe it is God’s word because it finds me where I am.”
“I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man. All the good of the Savior of the world is communicated to us through the Book.”
“Take all that you can of this book upon reason, and the balance on faith, and you will live and die a happier man. It is the best Book which God has given to man(When a skeptic expressed surprise to see him reading a Bible)”
“But for this book we could not know right from wrong.”

Abraham Lincoln was not a christian, he claimed to be a Christian but his private correspondence with his friends showed he wasn't a Christian. You can google it up.

Now I am in the mood to engage myth believers like you so, I'll do just that.

winner01:
No matter the signs or wonders, some people have had their hearts hardened by the devil.

Please can you describe the devil for us in detail so that we will know if it is not another imaginary character that lives inside your indoctrinated head?

winner01:
Even if the dead comes back to life, many will still call it magic...

Go to any grave and resurrect any body that has been buried for 3 days and see how people will believe in instantly. Remember Jesus promised those of you that believe in him the ability to do greater things than he did, he said nothing will be impossible for you. The fact that non of you believers can attempt to do what was promised you by Jesus says the entire thing is fictitious.

winner01:
Even if God send Elijah down again, many will still not believe.

Elijah is a character in a mythical story book. When was the last time you heard any body disbelieve that human's have traveled to space using the shuttle as a means of transport?

winner01:
with God all things are possible...

Except the healing of amputees and restoration of their amputated limbs back. With God healing of amputees is not possible.

winner01:
Colossians 2:8 - Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

The whole bible was written by men and remains the words of men, deluded men for that matter who wanted others to believe their fiction, mythology and controlling ideas. It is not the word of any thing beside men. If you can show that Jesus wrote any word himself maybe we will believe you have an idea of what you are saying.

KingEbukasBlog:
So since you regard mythology as being fictitious , history that contain myths did not really happen . Right ?

Yes.

KingEbukasBlog:
ok sorry .

So Dalaman , can history contain mythical events ?

Sure written or oral history can contain mythical accounts.

KingEbukasBlog:
So the bible which you claimed was mythical is now history - containing even the origin of the Hebrew people .

Let me get this straight from you - can history contain mythical events ?

Where did I mention the bible in my statement?

KingEbukasBlog:
According to you , the bible is mythology and the story of Moses is mythical . Remember ?

Why should I bother discussing mythology with you . Since Solomon is mythical , Moses is also mythical . Case closed . Your own words below

Please do some study on the origin of the Hebrew people and what historians have to say on the conquest of Canaan.

KingEbukasBlog:
Stop making assumptions . Do you stay in the North East ?

I'll look for the story and post it here, some one once posted it here, let me search for it and see if I can find it.

Antiparticle:
@bstringz
One thing I also thought of a lot: if God was interventionist and if "He" performed miracles like healing @KingEbukasBlog's twisted and badly swollen ankle, why didn't he intervene when black slaves (most of whom had become Christian when they arrived the Americas) prayed that he free them during the hundreds-year-long captivity by European Americans? It makes no sense that a just interventionist God would consistently ignore bigger atrocities yet perform instant miracles when it came to things like hurting ankles. This dealt a big slap to my idea of a God of justice. The Old and New Testaments promise an interventionist God of justice, but I began to realize that "He" has been no where to be found. At this point, I still hadn't stopped being Christian though I was already heavily discouraged..

God healed KingEbukasBlog's ankle in a little over a month, instantly healed his swollen face, gave him good room mates but could not save the countless christians that have been constantly calling on his name in the North East and other parts of the north from the hands of boko haram. Boko haram gather christians inside churches and burned them up during sunday service, these christians prayed their minds out begging their God to confuse the boko haram members or turn them blind and rescue them, the boko haram members laugh at them and burn them up. When it matters this God is never there only when people like KingEbukasBlog need good room mate then he is there to answer them. Ridiculous thrash.

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol ... Dalaman claims to have read all three religious books - bible , koran and Hindus' book - and does not know who Moses is or what he did

Brother Dalaman you need Jesus

Moses was a war criminal who shared virgins as war booty.

malvisguy212:
did Moses kill to oppress people ? Did Moses kill for political power ? During the time of Moses, the Jews are a small nation compear to others , but their neighbouring nation oppress them and harvest their crop. But hitler and Stalin are men who are fighting for their own selfish interest. If God favour the Jews , why did He allow hitler to kill soo many Jews ? That is to say God who is a God of justice can punished His children for disobedient.

Moses killed to oppress and steal the land that belongs to other people. Moses and others invaded the lands of others because their God said he they should drive the people out and take the lands because the lands were flowing with milk and honey.

16"Go and gather the elders of Israel together and say to them, 'The LORD, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, has appeared to me, saying, "I am indeed concerned about you and what has been done to you in Egypt. 17"So I said, I will bring you up out of the affliction of Egypt to the land of the Canaanite and the Hittite and the Amorite and the Perizzite and the Hivite and the Jebusite, to a land flowing with milk and honey."' Exodus 3:16-17

According to the bible the Jews were promised the land of others even when they were in captivity in Egypt. The God of the Jews could not provide them with a land flowing with milk and honey and told them to go and kill off the others and steal their lands. Moses was no different from Hitler and other land grabbers. If he was alive in today's world he would have been labelled a war criminal.