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hahn:
Try me

I'm a very good listener but you will have to also be ready for the questions I will ask you in order for me to get a clearer understanding of your experience. Deal?

Don't expect too much, I have asked him to provide a factual description of his God’s characteristics, abilities and features so that when I or any other atheist here encounters it we will know it is the being he is talking about. I want him and KingEbukasBlog to try this one for the last time. I've been asking KingEbukasBlog but he has been running away from the question. They should try to be as specific as possible to avoid ambiguity because we need to be able to differentiate their God from other Gods or other phenomena. So, for example, claiming that their God is love or the universe all around is evidence for their God is not helpful in the least, because many have claimed that the universe all around us is evidence for their own God as well and that their God, Gods or Goddesses created the universe as well . Claiming that their God is supernatural or beyond the natural, observable universe is also not helpful. If their God is beyond the observable universe then how could they possibly have observed it to conclude that it is real? So again, I will like them to please provide a factual description of their God’s specific characteristics and abilities that are objective and self evident so that when we encounter it we will know it is their God and not some other phenomenon. They need to provide something objective that we could all perceive to this God of theirs and verify that it is real. We need to distinguish objective reality from a subjective reality in which people believe things are as they want or imagine them to be rather than as they are.

KingEbukasBlog:
That came from the non - living . I've asked atheists if scientists have replicated abiogenesis in the labs , the response was just sad

What has abiogenesis got to do with atheism? Many atheist have never heard the word ever. Go and ask scientist about abiogenesis. Atheism is lack of belief in Gods. It has nothing to do with abiogenesis.

KingEbukasBlog:
@dalaman and hahn ... continue with the pretentious cowdung . Its funny how the primitives knew that for a being to Supreme he has to exist outside time - has always been existing - and you the modern man with the level of education now can't decipher what "in the beginning " means . Its obvious who they primitives are

In the beginning of what? You have not been able to show how anything exist outside the universe, you just keep repeating that silly assertion. The God of the bible does not live outside the universe. The bible never says that anywhere. The God of the bible lives inside the universe, he fights with human beings, he boast that he kills them alone without help, he intervenes in human activities, was scared humans will build a tower high enough to his abode so he changed the languages of humans etc. The God of the bible exist within the universe in fact he lived inside the earth most times. I just want you guys to explain to be the mechanism and process with which your God used language to create light from nothing.

malvisguy212:
you are not making sense, what is heaven?

Heaven could mean anything from God's abode to means the expanse of the sky with every thing in it according to more recent translations. Heaven has never been translated to mean space any where in the bible. You know nothing about Hebrew so I won't listen to you. I'rather go with people whom Hebrew is their own.language and what they've said.

malvisguy212:
Genesis 1:1, "In the beginning
(time), God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)."

So heavens means space and earth means matter? I thought the bible said nothing should be added to it?

Jeromejnr:
Well, everything has a particular frequency it operates in, light has a particular frequency and so does sound vary in frequencies.

What is this please?

I expect since He is Omnipotent and He wanted something, He would speak in that particular frequency for it to be birthed. The language is unknown for now the same way among many scientists the cause of the Big Bang is unknown.

How will he speak it into existence when sound does not travel through a vacuum? So even with God you still don't know how he created things or what language he used in speaking things into existence?

We don't follow God because of the mechanism He used in creating light, we follow Him because we have encountered Him.

You have encountered your God? Ok, please can you give me a very detailed description of this God of yours and it's features so that when I encounter it I will know that it is the God you are talking about and not some other phenomenon.

Jeromejnr:
First of all, who told you God spoke Hebrew?

The Hebrews wrote the creation story that you were indoctrinated with and made to accept. If he didn't speak Hebrew then tell us what language and mechanism he used to speak light into existence.

@ jeromejnr

We agree that the scientific postulations are wrong. Please can you explain explain the process and mechanism through which your God spoke light into existence using the Hebrew language?

Sarassin:
Interesting polemic against Satan by Scholar8200 it is a triumph of style over substance. It does not deal with the query of the OP which is, why is there a lack of the appearances of Satan in the OT as opposed to the NT where Satan is found virtually at every turn?


The answer lies in the different approaches taken by the Hebraic and Aramaic writers of the OT and that taken by the mostly Hellenized Greek speaking Jews who composed the NT. The common denominator are the Books of Enoch from where we learn that Satan is brethren to Michael, Uriel, Gabriel and Raphael, he rejected the dominion of God, declined to serve, formented rebellion and for this, was thrust into the great empyrean.

The NT concept of Satan is very heavily influenced by the nightmarish apocalyptic visions in the book of Daniel, as well as the equally harrowing Book of Revelations (which at one time was considered so bad as to be un-Christian) both books reflect Enochian visions of Satan or, if you prefer, the devil.


In Judaism however, Satan is a term used since its earliest biblical contexts to refer to a human opponent. Occasionally, the term has been used to suggest evil influence opposing human beings.

What is clear is that the Rabbis rejected Enochian literary works in their scriptures (the OT or Tanakh as well as the Talmud)and made every attempt to root them out rejecting any belief in rebel or fallen angels, demons and such-like, they chose to view evil as an abstract, a very sophisticated outlook. The Hellenized NT writers on the other hand did not share this view. Quite simply if Satan were not around the corner to lure one into temptation, and there were no binding of demons, what would be the need for salvation?

This is the reality of the matter and not the make belief christian apologetic some people are peddling here.

winner01:
You should dance at every word i type, you Dunce. You continuously show how slow you are.
My God dosent exist but nothing banged you into existence right?
I'm worshipping an idea (a non-existent idea), and you show this much concern day and night. Hit the streets, you're mad already.

OK.

winner01:
I replied you, and you should count that as a priviledge. I reiterate, you're just one of those jobless irrelevancies. Your words dont count and thats why you spend your life here talking about something that does not exist day in day out.
Yeah, God lives in my head, the same way He lived in the heads of great world changers. Pained b*tches like you will only wail till time runs out, that what you're good for. No one gives a hoot what you feel, except maybe your fellow reta*ds. Get a life.

You have no honor since you can't even keep to your word, you said I am not worth your time but you keep replying me. People that can't even keep to their words deserve no respect from anybody and you are one of them. You God doesn't exist if it pinches you so much that you are worshiping some idea that some people created then go hug a transformer.

bytemeister:
reading ur post from the top I tot "dis is a free thinker" bt wen I got to d bottom of it I realised u're just another theist defendin his religion wereby bin biased....deres no proof watsoever dat neida d xtian nor d Muslim god exists,as a matter of fact Allah ain't any difrent to oda deities cos muhammad's granpa abd-mtalib was a known idolator a moon worshiper at dat , he named muhammad's father ABDULLAH meaning SLAVE OF ALLAH...Muslims are no beta dan dem traditional worshippers cos d moon is always involved in waheva dey do...lols bowing b4 it(salat) and al oda stuffs
p.s am nt atheistic just a curious mind

Am an atheist.

winner01:
I wanted to reply all your crap but again you're not worth my reply nor my valuable time. Losers will always find a way to drag you down their shithole. Thank God for nairaland, your life would have been more miserable than it already is. Knock yourself out kid, this is your gateway to relevance.

I am not worth your reply or valuable time but you still took time to reply me. Crazy hypocrite. Go along and keep spreading the word of the God that lives in your head, the one that allegedly created the universe but still relies on failed humans like you to spread his message for him.

winner01:
Yeah, And the mystery behind human existence too is make belief. you're drunk kid

What is the mystery about human existence? I have asked you many many times to tell me the reason why humans exist and why it is that humans the world over do not agree with it but you have constantly failed to do that. You just keep running away from the question.

winner01:
[b]Crap, I'm indoctrinated and you know me too well to ascertain that i was born into christianity. Unlike you, people think. And those thoughts are why many are still christians, its the reason i became a christian. I ask you to prove to me, and you ask me to do otherwise, clever escape dont you think.
When you're looking for human gibberish on darwinism and the big bang, you know where to go. Yet you want me to provide a "video" of Jesus existence, thats just stup1d. People from different centuries wrote books hundreds of years before He was born and he fulfilled them. Some books such as Isaiah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah etc were written not less than 500 years before the birth of Jesus, with accurate predictions of His life and purpose on earth. I shouldnt say this but Im a yoruba man, my grandfather believed in these demons you call "legends" and it worked for him. He did stuff i witnessed as a kid, call it magic/tricks, the perpetrators know what it really is. yes he was potent. He died as a christian. Im not asking you to believe that either. You see, no matter how much you people try to make yourselves believe that everything is physical, the supernatural keeps smiling at you. Human existence is supernatural. [/b]

You don't think, you only regurgitate that which you have been indoctrinated with since childhood and the indoctrination that has turned out to be your reality because you have been conditioned to see things through that bubble. You are a christian only because you were born into the religion or you live in a culture surrounded by christians. If you were born into a Shite muslim family in Iran, you'll be telling us how there is No God but Allah and how Shite Islam is the only true sect of Islam. Your evidence for Jesus is stories written inside story book whose authors remain unknown and you want me to take you seriously? Egyptian Kings that lived thousand of year before Jesus still have their pyramids, paintings and bust surviving till this day, some of their corpse and burial chambers are still available till this day and all the evidence to show that the alleged creator of the universe came and dwell with men is ancient stories written by unknown authors? You have tired, well done. By the way many Jews have shown over and over that the passages in the Hebrew bible do not refer to any Jesus. They have shown that christains are lying when they claim that the passages in the Hebrew bible refer to Jesus. I don't even care about it, to me it is just stories and that is all there is to it. Jesus never wrote down anything about himself so why should I believe in stories that were written 40-100 years about him after he died by unknown writers?

[b]Another load of crap, Is crap only what you can think of. People who spend their time discussing politics and sport do so because they are passionate about it. I get interested anytime i hear "Barcelona". Im passionate about it. What are you passionate about . What makes you worse than others is that religion is the only section you're active in, Do your little research and check up the profile of other atheists they engage in other sections at least. Thats where you need to examine yourself. I understand you can only be heard on nairaland but you dont have to make your bigotry and obsession so obvious. Its quite understandable why you dwell so much here, and thats to satisfy your conscience continuously. Keep up the good work, seems to me like the only thing jobless irrelevancies are good at.
I opened a thread that "Most committed atheiests were once christians" after i checked up a females profile to only discover that her earliest threads was on how she suffered pain and ahe even went ahead to write a diary on her sad life. In all these she still believed in God just as it reflected in her posts and BAM.....she started god hate threads. Now you dont expect everyone to do that do you Expecially guys. I can state categorically that most of my atheist colleagues at work have gone through one form of trauma or the other. So telling him to show you one atheist is senseless, go do your own research. I wont post names here just cos ur lazy [/b]

I don't care what you think about me or any other atheist, I am not an atheist because I am frustrated, I am actually living a more fulfilled life than many religious people I know, just as there are some religious people that are living happier and more fulfilled lives than me. There is no evidence what so ever to show that religious people are living a more fulfilled life than non religious people. We are all struggling in one way or the other. Just name any atheist here that says he is an atheist because he is frustrated and doesn't want to to be accountable or remain a liar.

I guess He also needed men to create the universe for Him. You are still a kid or probably an overgrown kid, your desperation and agony say a lot about your person. Like the op said the big bang banged you into existence, if you feel otherqise, maybe you should tell us your side of the story. Lets see how smart or stup1d you are.

The God idea you believe in did not create the universe. We both don't know how the universe came about, while I readily admit that I do not know, you on the other hand have been indoctrinated to accept the God idea that some ancient Jewish men sat down and created and assigned the existence of the universe to him. They even wrote some mythical account in the book of genesis supposedly on how he created the universe in it they wrote down he created the earth before he created the sun and stars. The big bang as scientist put it does not talk about anything banging, it only talks about how a cosmic singularity expanded. I do not even subscribe to it, every body has his postulations, while the scientist observe and make their postulations, you on the other hand just sit down and accept the postulations and mythology of ancient Jews who thought there is a firmament that separates the waters above from the waters below, men who thought the sun moves round the earth. Your God remains only an idea that lives inside your head that is why you always have to speak and tell others about him, he can never do anything himself except in the pages of story books.

Great, allah means so much to you but i dont see you on islams page. I understand your obsession with the christian God though. Leave allah, you and i know who you spend your whole life criticizing. If you really felt allah was half an equal, you'd have opened those threads long ago and even spent more time on islams section. I got nothing to prove to a made up mind, even the fruitless back and forths take my valuable time. I wont waste it on pained kids.

Just show me evidence that your God is real and Allah isn't. Is that too much to ask for from you?

Anas09:
Hmmm. Atheists and Muslims, always on the same side mudslinging Christians.
So love is a state of weakness @dalaman? Ah, nothing person no go hear for Niaraland. So Jesus loving me makes him weak. I see why there's so much hate and violence in Islam, that's a display of strength by allah, muhammad and muslims.

Muslims are actually saying the same thing, that christians and atheist are always coming together to attack the Koran and Islam. You arent the only one that will make that assertion. Jesus sacrificing himself to himself because he wants to save you from some test hecreated makes him ridiculous.

winner01:
Obvious myth you say, maybe you should prove to me that Jesus never existed

Yeah, obvious myth. You just happen to be indoctrinated and accept the Jewish, Greek and Roman version out of the many other mythologies out there. Do you have a video recording of Jesus to show me that he ever existed? Do you have a picture of Jesus when he was walking the earth? Do you even have any writing from Jesus himself that mentions him any any of the claims about him? You have stories written about a guy which appeared about 40-90 years after he died, very contradictory stories whose authours remain unknown and you think it is somehow special because your land was conquered by men who happen to gain by spreading those mythical stories to you. Oduduwa is a mythical yoruba legend, many Yoruba's believe in his legendary tales, he has as much evidence to show that he existed just like your Jesus. Prove to me that he also never existed.

Lie!!! you arnt curious, you're disturbed and so are your brothers. Y'all need to fight back to feel good and justify your unaccountability. You've spent virtually all your time on nairaland on religion section, that dosent seem to me like satisfying curiosity. That seems more like a charge, a struggle with the mind. I perfectly understand that you need a continuos satisfaction of your stand on the supernatural. Thats why you're here

There are people that spend most of their time discussing politics and sports on nairaland, do they do that because they are disturbed. I know how you guys always appeal to emotions to make you feel bad, the OP on this thread just used some ridiculous emotional appeal until I called him out, the OP claimed that atheist here have stated that they are frustrated with life and don't want to be accountable that is why they are atheist, I challenged him to show one atheist on nairaland that has even stated that are he changed his tone and had to take his words back. I am here to challenge you guys based on your claims and see how true the measure up to the reality we all live in. So far you have constantly failed to show that what you believe in can stand the reality we see around us.

God can do all things yeah. Your life is an example of the work of God. Life is an Order which is still in display till today. Christians have a mandate, do you? You very stup1d for calling christians incompetent failures for preaching the gospel. Give me a sensible reason why you spend so much time talking about God and religion, A sensible reason.

No, your God can not do anything that is why he relies on men to do everything for him, men had to write his religious books for him, sit down and vote on which books will be assembled into the final canon for him, chose and create all the doctrines for him, speak for him, build all the temples for him, fight all the wars for him, convert others for him, do everything for him, he has never been seen or shown to do anything for himself, he only comes down and do things like fight humans and kill them in the pages of story books that were written by humans but never in reality. There is no God, that is why you are speaking and talking on his behalf, what exist is people like you that believe and subscribe to what ever God idea they were born into and indoctrinated with.

Ill respond to this issue of allah once, Either you're dumb or just like moving in endless circles. I remember telling you in another thread to show me where allah proclaims his love for unbelievers and the world in general and to show me where he promises salvation and redemption for man.

Allah does not need to love any body, Allah is the most supreme being, humans are his slaves and he does not need to be in any loving relationship with anybody. He is not like your God that needs to kill himself and sacrifice himself unto himself because he wants to offer people salvation. Allah is not and can never be that weak. He simply is and that is all there is to it. There is no God except Allah. No prove to me that your God exist and Allah does not.

winner01:
Some dont even believe in anything. {ust live and die}
Great article bro. Your fonts though

What has belief got to do with reality? So what if some people believe in living and dying? It is a fact we must all live and die. Any other thing is simply make belief. Over a billion people the world over believe they will reincarnate when they die, does that make reincarnation a reality? Almost 2 billion muslims believe in their own concept of afterlife which you believe is wrong, does that make their factual or a reality? No, it doesn't your belief remains a belief and has nothing to do with reality.

Gaborone:
Op, the centre point of your post is very apt.

Yesterday, a friend was celebrating a very good news with me, and was gushing about how God always has his back. In response, I told him exactly what you have said, that at best, atheists are those who wish there was no God. I believe so they won't be accountable. In all honesty, I do not believe any human can actually believe there is no God.

The existence and supremacy of God is undeniable.

His word is law, and yes, we will all give account someday.

Atheists, please, wake up and smell the coffee.

You mean his word the Koran?

winner01:
Christians preach the gospel of Christ and His teachings. I can understand the bigotry of some christians, but the atheists bigotry is somewhat amusing.

Check how many sections you've posted in over the past week, that should give you the clue you seek.

What you just wrote down is what truly amazes me. Why you guys chose to accept the obvious mythology of the ancient Jews, Greeks and Romans and make it the central piece of your existence is what I find astonishing and I come here to satisfy my curiosity and challenge your premise because I was also born and indoctrinated with that which your were born and indoctrinated into. You just claim tat you are doing the work of Christ for him, but if there is truly a God that can do all things and wants people to know him, be in a relationship with him and be saved through him, will he ever send incompetent failures like you do do his bidding for him? Look at the muslims they are also claiming the same thing ,they also claim there are doing that which Allah sent them to do, which is to spread his message.

osile2012:
[size=18pt]I mean there must be a reason for their disbelieve in the face of glaring evidence right ?[/size]

But that wasn't what you wrote. You claimed something but when you have been challenged you decided to change you position and tone. You just lied against the atheist simple. My challenge for you remains, quote any atheist that has ever written anything that comes close to what you wrote about atheist becoming atheist because they don't want to be accountable or because they are frustrated in life. If you want to make your point just go ahead and make your point, there is no need lying against others.

winner01:
Op great thread. The reason they spend their lives day and night on God and the Bible still beats me

There are many Christians here who spend their time here on nairaland castigating Islam alone. Does their endless attack on Islam beats you? By the way can you show us any atheist that lives his life day and night on God and the bible?

osile2012:
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When i see the so called atheists on Nairaland running around the threads to persuade people to believe there is no GOD, either because of some events that took place in their life that got them frustrated or the fact that they dont like the idea of being accountable, i laugh. Honestly, i sometimes wished there was no GOD and that there was no consequences for our actions.


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Can you point out to a post from any atheist here on nairaland that has ever claimed he is an atheist because some events took place in his/her life that got him/her frustrated or any atheist that has ever claimed that they are atheist because they don't like the idea of being accountable? Can you post any quote from any atheist that made such a claim or are you lying as usual? When will you guys stop telling lies for Jesus?

hahn:
Utter rubbish. He died for himself after his father decided he was good for nothing more than his barbaric experiment

And according to the fable his father also happens to be him, so God sacrificed himself unto himself. Checkmate atheist.

Image123:
Everyone that says there is no God is a fool by the way, it's a fact not an insult

Everyone that claims that there is a God is a fool by the way, its a fact and not an insult.

OLAADEGBU:
You may want to hear it from the horse's mouth how he intends to lift folks out of dependence on the system.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9woKpLvj7Q

He has no idea on how to lift folks out of anything. Dependence on government isn't a bad thing at all. Every body depends on the government in one way or the other. He depended on the government for his own education and health care services while growing up but wants other not to depend of the government for theirs. Dr Carson has failed to tell us why government provided healthcare is bad. He is a hypocrite.

"On one stone slab, said to each be the size of an elephant, carved into its surface is the Ten Commandments which many of us know from Sunday School, and on the other, the Biblical verse of John 3:16 in a number of earth languages including, Basque, Chinese, English among others. At the bottom of the second stone tablet the phrase “I AM REAL” is embedded upon it."

So John 3:16 was found written in a number of earth languages hiding inside some rocks on planet mars? This comedy will be believed by man unfortunately.

OLAADEGBU:
The fact that he relied on the state for his education and welfare should not condemn him and others to be dependent on the system. He wants to lead his people out of bondage just as Moses led his people out of Egypt into the land of freedom.

So the welfare that provided for his education and health care as the son of a single poor woman is bondage? You clearly do not know what you are talking about. What are his plans to provide free education for all? Do you know that he doesn't even want every body to have free education or free medical services, things he enjoyed while growing up. He is a hypocrite and a liar.

Only a fool makes the "Beliefs" of others, their reality, thereby forfeiting their own identity.

djdoxxx:
Dalaman, What's This Bible Passage?

Jeremiah 42:9-10

SonOfEl:
student? are you are a student or an antagonist?! students humble themselves, compare and contrast scriptures, ant to start with, admit themselves into the 'school' of Christianity

You haven't contrasted and compared anything. You are just fabricating scriptures to make it say what you want it to say. Again read at your own fabrication and laugh at yourself.

What is written inside the bible.

"If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up; for I repent Me of the evil that I have done unto you".

SonOfEl's opinion of the verse.

"FOR I HAVE CHANGED MY MIND ABOUT MY JUDGEMENT CONCERNING EVIL TO BEFALL YOU".

SonOfEl:
again! always quoting bible semantics out of context.... chai..... if I am jealous as regards my wife is a proof my love and ownership to her. that's not evil dude. if however, am jealous because your phone is cooler than mine, then that's another context of jealousy. English usage based on context changes over the time. stop misinterpreting what you don't know. YOU ARE MORE LIKE AN EFIK SCHOLAR TRYING TO INTERPRET SPANISH SEMANTICS.....

The bottom line is that jealousy and pride are negative emotion. You can not love your wife and be jealous of her, just the same way that you aren't supposed to be jealous of your friend, both jealousy and pride are negative emotions. The same verse goes on to say that God punishes the children for the sins of their parents to the third and fourth generation, but another verse says that God does not punish the children for the sins of their parents at all.

"The son will not share the guilt of the father, nor will the father share the guilt of the son.” Ezekiel 18:20
. The bible is a very contradictory book, the writers have different conception of who God is to them and write very different and contradictory things about God.