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onetrack:
However I am seeing a lot more atheists on facebook these days.

I thought I was the only one. Am seeing a lot of Nigerian atheist on Facebook and all of them live in Nigeria including a lady I became friends with recently.

KingEbukasBlog:
And you keep asking Christians questions pertaining to other religions . You once asked me about muhammed and the splitting of the moon or turning moon red ... can't remember .

Dalaman claims to have read three religious books and couldn't defend that claim , you didnt respond to his lies on that thread ... why ?

What wasn't I able to defend? I said Solomon is a mythical character and gave my reasons for saying so. What then again are you saying?

K9blunt:
am sorry for quoting this lengthy post, but I want to get your attention.
though am not a fan of religion, but I think most humans need religion to keep them in place.
there are many lost people in this world, their thinking is " how am I suppose to live without God?", "am not always like this, the devil got into me and I did what I did", "am too scared, there must be a place for me on the afterlife, I can't just die like that". etc.
it takes a lot of guts and one has to fight their inner demons to be free from this fictional belief of a God! if not they become more lost and resort to anarchical behaviors that will inconvenience the lives of people like you and me.

in this life, there must be a balance
good - evil
life - death
love - hate
happiness - sadness
etc.
imagine if everyone started thinking like you and/or me, as humans we will always look for problems to create and solutions to solve them. so its necessary to leave these so-called religious people for us to learn from them to better ourselves and for amusement.........lol.

I used to think like that but not any more, I live in Germany. The people here do not believe in God but they are doing morally better than we Nigerians that mostly believe in God. People can and have been thought to be morally upright and find meaning in life without any need for God.

Seun:
Ben Carson has the right temperament for a good leader, but the problem is that he believes so many wrong things because his entire life has been faith-based. Like all high achieving people of faith, he has developed the ability to shut down his highly intelligent brain whenever it's telling him something that is contrary to his faith. He wouldn't be as disastrous as Fiorina/Cruz because he will actually listen to advice when the advice does not contradict his religious beliefs, and he would continue Obama's legacy of avoiding actions that would make the world hate America. I think he hopes to be picked as a running mate to Donald Trump if Trump wins the nomination, but a JJC-JJC ticket makes no sense.

He will not make a good president because he is a hypocrite. He wants to end the same welfare system that made him , the same welfare system that gave him all what he wanted while growing up as a child of a single mother who was poor. He religious conservative like him can not be president of the US at moments like this.

EARN:
The Pics are Photoshop...................

The current place of accident is along route to Jamarat and not at the Jamarat?

This is a sham..

I knew the pics were a Photoshop. Coming from OLAADEGBU who is known for lying against Islam and other sects within his own religion sometimes, I didn't take the news seriously when I first saw it.

amalektch:
How else do you expect a black republican to get ahead in the republican party? The only reason he popped up as a viable candidate in the first place was using the national prayer breakfast to insult the president openly and call obamacare the worst thing since slavery. Anything else and no one would have given him the light of day.

But someone like him that relied on the state for his education and was raised on welfare, should not condemn the very system that made him. He is just a ridiculous hypocrite.

kevoh:
2months or 50 years after, it still does not help its case that the feeding of 5000 with just 5 loaves and two fishes is pure illogical crap.

The bible has two versions of the story. One version says 4 thousand people and the other version has 5 thousand people.

KingEbukasBlog:
Maybe I need to elucidate - if something exists outside time its is eternal . It has no beginning and end . I cant deal with the hypocrisy and ignorance you always exhibit . Im done arguing with you

The God of the bible did not create the universe in which we live in. Go and read his creation account as stated in Genesis. That was not how the universe in which we live in was created.

KingEbukasBlog:
Its common sense . For a simultaneous equation to be true , the condition is that the value of the unknown should satisfy the equations be it product , difference , dividend etc . For a soccer match to be won , either of the two teams should outscore the other team . For God to be the creator of the universe and preclude infinite regression , he has to exist outside space and time . Honestly , I'm over stressing this issue

But the God described inside the bible doesn't qualify or look like the God that created the universe in which we live. The God of the bible is so petty and doesn't even know how the universe we know came about, see how he said he created the universe in Genesis. You refuse to accept his creation account because you know it is false, you claim it is an allegory. Where does it say that God lives outside space and time in the bible? The bible says God is eternal which denotes time, albeit endless time. I am talking about the universe in which we live in while you are refering to a mythical God that created an alternate universe as stated inside the bible.

KingEbukasBlog:
so how does it stop God from existing outside space and time

You've not shown that any God exist outside space and time. You just made a claim.

I doubt if those pictures of the corpse of people packed in bulldozers are from Saudi Arabia. The place where the stampede occurred is narrow and fenced, the picture with the bulldozers isn't narrow and it isn't fenced, besides the picture is very blurry.

OLAADEGBU:
This means that Obama is not a Christian.

So what if Obama is not a christian? Go and impeach him for not being one. He is the president, something Mike Huckebee will never be no matter how much he desires to be president of the USA.

The hypocrisy of Dr Ben Carson is blinding.

More about Dr. Ben Carson:
1. Raised by a single mother
2. Raised in public housing
3. Fed with food stamps.
4. Supported with welfare
5. Kept healthy with medicaid
6. Educated in public schools
7. Got eyeglasses from state agency
8. Benefited from affirmative action to enter college
9. Used federal loans and Pell grants in undergrad school
10. Benefited from affirmative action to enter medical school
11. Med school paid for with grant from USPHS*
12. Said: “The disintegration of the family unit and the welfare state are enslaving African-Americans and ruining their futures.”

Typical Tea Partier; He got his, he grew up on welfare and state support but wants to do away with Obama care, He wants the rest of Americans to be on their own after benefiting from the state.

OLAADEGBU:
Where I disagree with Carson is that I don't believe the POTUS is a Christian. See my thread for my reasons below:

https://www.nairaland.com/934799/reasons-why-know-obama-not

So what if Obama is not a christain? Americans love him as their President and they elected him twice, something Dr Carson can never be.

OLAADEGBU:
The world is fed up of political correctness. What many people want to hear is the truth and not propaganda.

Ben Carson is a hypocrite propagandist in his own right.

OLAADEGBU:
Ben Carson must have been brave to make that statement knowing that it is not politically correct. It will only take a strong resolve and God's grace for him to win this election. I hope he wins.

He will not win. He will not even be the republican nominee.

johnydon22:
[b]I know what it is to have a belief before because i have had one before.

The same way you think you are experiencing Christ is the same way a Muslim thinks he is experiencing Allah and a Hindu knows for sure he is experiencing Brahma. . These are simply emotional attachments towards your convictions.

If these feeling means something is real then every religion in this world is real because it is simply an emotion towards the belief.

You and i are not disputing the existence of the sun neither are you telling me you have experienced the sun personally. No we are both here on earth and so we both know for sure the sun is real, none of us need to believe it by faith neither do i need you to quote a holy book for me to show me the sun exists .

No, we both evidently enough know the sun is there so there is no need for faith. . Faith is simply an act of a mind that wish to reject evidence for emotion.

Personal experiences are psychological tilts..

These profound religious experience boils down to excited dopamine and depleted serotonin level induced by excited religious belief and these emotions are what you feel.

You cannot tell me you feel your mother in your heart or have a personal experience with her if i ask you to show me she is real, you would simply take me to her and show her to me..

Belief bears no weight on reality. . . FACT.[/b]

No body puts it better than you do, nobody. I'll like to urge you to write an atheist book and sell on amazon kindle and watch it sell and fetch money for you.

KingEbukasBlog:
You have refused to show me how Solomon is a mythical character

The bible and koranic accounts about him depict a mythical figure because of the embellishments and all. The koran for example has him speaking to ants while the bible has him building a temple in a place where archaeology has shown that such a temple was never built there.

Sadly I didnt see the computers/scissors/buckets/sellotapes make their own purpose

The same way you have been running from Anas09's questions and winner01's posts

Just state the universal purpose of human existence, where it is stated and why is it that everybody does not agree to it. Do that or just accept that you know not what you are talking about.

KingEbukasBlog:
The existence of God precludes infinite regression . Maybe you should read up on the foolishness of infinite regress and the only condition that fails the cosmological argument

What cosmological arguments are you talking about? You keep insisting that your God lives outside space and time, you refuse to accept the biblical creation account of how your God said he created the universe because you know it is nonsensical and foolish but you keep insisting that there is this God that lives in outside of time and space.

Let me leave you with a quote from johhnydon22 on another thread where he did justice to this ridiculous assertion of yours about this elusive God of yours lives outside space and time .

"[b]God is outside the universe, the same God that is outside the universe can get angry and display human emotions.

God is alleged to live outside time and space but is prone to mundane and disturbing emotions as anger and jealousy.

Anger in itself is a mundane characteristic of the material beings and for such an alleged supreme being who lives outside of the universe to be a subject of such mundane trait shows it is merely your assumption.

Anger is a product of the material world and if anything is outside the material universe then such a thing must be outside the confines of anger but alas this God that supposedly should be outside the universe is still a subject to anger

Showing how assumptions can lay a foundation in the mind of the one that believes an assumption to be true.. because they won't know when to stop infusing more assumptions into the already laid out assumptions... All in all you succeeded in pouring our improbable and out-rightly illogical postulations to feed your imaginations and delusion.[/b]"

mcfynest:
The story of feeding 5000 people is allegorical. Jesus indeed preached to 5000 men but he didnt give them raw food, instead the bread stands for the WORD, fish stands for knowledge and the part where they were filled and there was leftover is the reward of the ministration, they were also fishers of men.

Everything is now an allegory.

johnydon22:
Faith simply means you believe it whether it is true or not. .that you believe there is some being that is called God that seats somewhere in a heaven and created the universe but is concerned with whether you masturbate or not is with FAITH (you don't care if it's true or not or substantiation of such postulation as absurd as it sounds, it's called FAITH. .)

If there was in the first place you wouldn't need faith to believe it, none of us needs faith to believe the sun is real. . . we know the sun is real we don't believe it talk more of believing it on faith..

Even though you dabbled into the existence of a deity when the thread is not even about it, i will oblige and reply this grave yard of words and show you how neither logic nor reason or any empirical evidence supports the existence of a God..

I'd add this to the list of the ridiculous Known unknown assertions..

You see where the first problem starts trying to confuse complexity for design. .

The working of the universe is simply but the effect of gravity and matter in relation to space and time.

Just like every other interactions are as a result of smaller interactions so too is how the universe works ultimately.

Using the organ example, there won't be any organ in the first place if cells did not interact and wort together.

This does not connote design rather it shows the rigidity of natural entities, emergence of larger and more complex entity from smaller and less complex entities. .

If you go to a desert, the patterns of the sand dunes are so finely and beautifully laid out and looks like it was drawn. but this is merely from the effects of wind on the sand.

but according to the murder of logic as you presented here, you would have us think it was carved out by something intelligent when evidently enough its just the effect of wind on sand..

Another unnecessary word salad. . The workings of the universe is only but a dance of unspeculated activities.

A star dies and a supernova occurs, but yet again a star may die and collapse into a black hole, or maybe a pulsar star. .

Show nature do not have one determined way of working but rather results are as a result of the actions of the reacting force. .

Why is this argument presented filled with unfounded and outrightly absurd assertions that are practically meaningless to the subject.

1st what is an eternal truth
2nd what eternal truths have you discovered


[b]This idea stems from ignorance. You cannot grasp the depth of the things around you, disturbing questions that needs to be answered.

And you arrive at a postulation a higher intelligent.. But this intellectual sword slash of curiosity do not answer this question it only postpones it.

If you assume up a designer for the universe (because you lack the knowledge of how the universe emerged or is) you have first of all killed the curiosity to strive to know how it actually happened.

2nd the designer itself becomes a subject of question. . .and this you will be lost in the wonders of your own assumptions.

Ignorance and gap or imperfection as you put it is not to be filled with assumptions reached by a mind yet to discover what there is to discover.

"I don't know how this works, then a creator must have done it" it is outright ridiculous. .

You don't how anything works simply say you don't because a postulation laid out in ignorance is not far from being wrong..[/b]

Right on the contrary this idea comes from inside us, the insecurity in unanswered questions, the drive to fill in a gap that needs to be filled.

But it doesn't work that way, a premise where knowledge is lacked should be a nudge to learn and not assume.


Still swimming in this ridiculous word Armageddon, this is exactly what you asserted above and you keep repeating it.

This assumption of a supreme being stems from your ignorance of what is, it stems from our lack of knowledge of the things we need to know but do not know and so employ a gap filler that not only do not answer the question, but kills out curiosity to really discern how it happened, becomes a subject of more questions and ultimately keep us swimming in the chasm of our own delusion.

This has always being the way of mankind. ."What causes storms at sea?"
"We don't know, then it must be the God neptune" should we now conclude that these people who laid out that neptune is the cause of storms at sea perceived this through cause of Neptune himself?

That is blatantly ridiculous, they were simply acting on their ignorance on what causes a storm which we now know as Hurricane and nobody says neptune did it anymore..

Morality first is a human construct, it is a term we label on actions acceptable to us for the good of the society.

Your morality stems from the interactions and relations of the society. . .If you were the only person on earth, they will be no morality because your actions do not have any perceiver to determine how good it is.

Morality is a construct of human societal evolution, stop confusing yourself..

Now can you hear yourself.

Conscience simply is as a result of empathy and empathy is a human trait that developed as a result of societal interactions.

Your desperate clutch at supreme being brouhaha to lay out foundation for morality is a total flawed postulation.

Look around the society, the diversity of moral norms shows morality is a construct of the society.

You probably think sex is bad because the society you live in make it out to be bad but yet again there is one that sees it to be as normal and good as breathing. . Subjectivity in moral grounds connotes constructs of societal evolution.

Monkeys are known to punish a member of the group who steals from the pack but lions don't.

I wonder how you people wants so desperately to dub emergence of interactive norms to a deity in other to feed your delusion of one, well it doesn't go that way...


[/i][/b]Just imagine the type of ridiculous posts i have to deal with here.

The changes in the universe occurs as a result of the interactions that occurs within the universe not outside the universe.

you forget that the activities of the particles of a dead entity is in relation or reactions to others around it that interact with it.

if there are activities there must be changes and this is a fact, stop employing unfounded causes for things that are too obvious. . just read your post for once.[/i][/b]

No it is reality that these actions are as a result of the interactions of other actions on it. . .and this simply is the way of materials.

interactions and exchange of forces resulting to action. . . . Another failed attempt of assuming up a cause when the cause is within..

[b]And here just killed the whole incongruous word batter.

The universe is the sum of the totality of matter, space, time and you left out one vital part of this [size=20]Gravity[/size] . . maybe you didn't know or was just appealing to your ignorance that every action and reaction in this universe revolves around gravity. .you only wanted to fill it in with an assumptive assertion a deity.

Well bad luck sissy. the effect of matter, the bend of space and time is always in relation to gravity. in fact gravity is the unit of causality.

Every reaction of matter, space and time is in coincide to the effect of gravity. . So yet again i have shown you how the workings of the universe is always as a result of the interactions of the constituents of the universe and not an independent unrelated cause you will like to assume and throw into the equation.

Now i hope you can stop employing a gap filler where you lack knowledge. . Because even though i took time to reply this lay out of unrelated and unfounded paste of crinkum crankums one cannot help but notice that as always this post betrays shows intellectual dishonesty, appeal to ignorance and an attempt to relate unrelated actions and reactions to unfounded and blatantly unrelated causality

This arguement intoto is simply your appeal on your ignorance. you don't know how this happen then it must be this.... that is outright intellectual dishonesty and absurd[/b]

[b]
If there is such a thing powerful enough to create the universe evidently enough you have no idea what it is.

So now a human start telling me that same thing that is big enough to create a universe is as punny as bearing grudges with humans

has a son and has an enemy

loves the smell of burning animal flesh

demands blood

is prone to mundane and disturbing emotions as anger and jealousy.

Has ego and anger issues and chronic narcissism.

Demands that tiny humans worship it or it burns them in a fire.

is concerned whether humans that are merely as large as an atom in the universe masturbates or not.

This postulations have in all ramifications murdered the plausibility of that assumption..

Even though the idea of God is an assumptive assertion, the assumptive characteristics of mundane traits has murdered it.

e.g: God is outside the universe, the same God that is outside the universe can get angry.

Anger in itself is a mundane characteristic of the material beings and for such an alleged supreme being who lives outside of the universe to be a subject of such mundane trait shows it is merely your assumption.

Anger is a product of the material world and if anything is outside the material universe then such a thing must be outside the confines of anger but alas this God that supposedly should be outside the universe is still a subject to anger

Showing how assumptions can lay a foundation in the mind of the one that believes an assumption to be true.. because they won't know when to stop infusing more assumptions into the already laid out assumptions... All in all you succeeded in pouring our improbable and outrightly illogical postulations to feed your imaginations and delusion.

am sure this treats this once and for all... [/b]

I repeat, I have read a lot of atheist materials but your points are just flawless and always well thought out. I am your fan.

winner01:
Okay. Now tell me something ive not heard from people with demonic posession.

You have now run to hug another fictitious entity(demon) that you have been indoctrinated with. Can you describe a demon for me so that when I encounter it i'll know its what you are talking about?

winner01:
blah, blah, blah, blah!!!.
Your words dont make you a lesser fool, its all crap. I argue with sane people, not people who have closed their mind to reason.
Not people who cant think outside the box.
Not people who cant put their brains to work.

Put yor brains to work, you will see how much you have exalted a non-existent idea.

You don't argue, you only steal other people's work and paste it here. When you learn how to use your brains and coin your own thoughts the way others do, then you can come lets have a discussion.

winner01:
Ok wise one, ill leave the religioun section for people who claim God is just an idea and non existent.
What sort of thing is this, Do you think at all .
I'm in religious section cos i have a mandate to spread the gospel. You are here for what? a similar reason, to spread hate?.
No one speaks for God, once again im only amazed at your obsession.

No one speaks for God but you are hear to spread his gospel? Your God is obviously a failed imaginary entity. No God that exist will depend on a failure like you to tell others about it. No God will do that. Only the one that exist in your head.

winner01:
I put my brains to work unlike someone who believes he appeared from thin air.
If God was an idea, you wont be here. Your whole life is centered around God and religion and yet you call it an idea. Dont you need help You wanna see my posts, go to my profile. Why should i waste my time on some dolts who have closed their minds to reason. I decided to check up the profile of the person im arguing with, It does not seem to me that you think of anything other than God and religion. Now take my advise, go sit alone in a quiet place and weep, you've been such a disgrace to yourself.

I laugh when you say you put your brains to work, do you even have a functional brain, your post shows that your brain doesn't function well because all you do is steal other people's work and paste it here is it is it originally yours without giving them credit. You are a thief. Which reason are you talking about? The reason of others than you copy and paste or the one you have been indoctrinated with? You shouldn't be talking about reason because you don't even know how to use your brain to make any constructive arguments. You are the only person on this thread that keeps stealing other people's ideas and posting as your own. You can't even argue with me because you don't know how to use your brain and reason your points out. Without copying and pasting other people's work you won't be able to contribute anything to any discussion because that is all what you do here. I am interested in religion because of the effect of religious people. People believe in the religious stories and the God idea, so I talk with people that do and the fact that they do believe in such a fictitious idea fascinates me. I will continue to engage them. When you learn how to use your brain and form your own opinion without stealing from others, you can come and I will take you seriously.

winner01:
Im seriously scared right now, i heard my bank account will be reduced if i'm banned. You must really think i'm a kid.

Nairaland is nothing but one out of many ways of me having fun, I can choose to have fun, i can choose not to.

Hold up, can someone spell out the meaning of the words Insult, provoke to this dolt.

Here it is clearly spelled out.
Please Observe The Following Rules:

2. Don't abuse, bully, deliberately insult/provoke, fight, or wish harm to Nairaland members OR THEIR TRIBES.

The quotes below didnt seem to you like you were breaking any rules.

You are just one punny joker, ill take you serious when you quit your bigotry and obsession of a non-existent idea.

When you learn how to use your brain to reason things out( instead of stealing people's materials and posting them all over the place without giving them credit like a mindless zombie ) you can come and I will give you a listening ear. Your God idea remains non existent, you the God believer exist and I am interacting with you. The day you give me a perfect description of this elusive and imaginary God idea of yours will be the day I'll assume you have an idea of what you are saying. In fact you actually do not have any idea of what you are saying since all you do is lift the ideas and opinion of others and post them as your own. You can't even use your brain to formulate anything reasonable on your own.

Abugab:
Kindly iron out these questions with him going forward.
Marriage is life time and it is also between families, better to sort out all differences prior to be able to manage it successfully.
Wish you the best

Very sensible, hope you know that marrying him means marrying his family as well. If you guys are living in Nigeria then it can be a problem for you as a lady.

FOLYKAZE:
They are not fanatical. Though the relationship was tough when it started. I had a girl who stood on her ground and instited she will marry me no matter who I am. She was disowned when she had pregnant. But I have to bring her in. With so much love, her mother soften the heat from her family. Her dad is hard to relate with yet but I think the fear have reduced. I have visited him twice since we had our son. And I believe as time go on, I will be someone he likes.

Ok, cool.

FOLYKAZE:
I am a spiritual atheist who lean toward ATR. My wife is a christian. She is the daugter of a pastor. What I think brings us together is love, respect and understanding. I dont see what the big deal is if you choose to date a christian.

Wow! Interesting. So you are married to a Pastors daughter. Nice. What does her family think about your beliefs? It could be a big deal if the guy is fanatical about is christian beliefs.

FOLYKAZE:
Today 27th of September, I made the first shot of Oogun. The video is made on efficacy test of Okigbe. There were several attempt to cut a voluntare without success because he had Okigbe on. The video will be available on youtube when the completing side is ready.

There would be another test on Aluwo (Ogun that makes opponent fall, lost consciousness or possibly die when hit instantly). Arrangement are on ground and we will shoot this on Sunday 4th of October. This will serve as the completing shot afterwhich the video will be uploaded on youtube.

I am using this medium to call on skeptics, atheists and non-believers to watch this live. We will have the test on animal. This person can choose not to appear in the video, there is no problem in that. Accomodation and feeding will be taken care by me. I just want people to feel the power of Oogun and ewe live and direct.

Shooting location : Ore, Ondo state.

I can be reach through my email folykaze@yahoo.com for more questions.

Cc Macof, dalaman, pagan9ja, johnnydon22, weah96, plaeton

Following.

KingEbukasBlog:
You asked me to show how God could exist outside time . I used

1. The biblical account

2. Infinite regression

You refuted the biblical account of creation , ignoring infinite regression . Respond to the second one

You have only been assuming a God. You claim there is a God that exist, I have been asking you to just describe this God for me so that when i encounter it , I will know it is what you are talking about and not some other phenomenon, you've refused to do that, instead you have been jumping from pillar to post.

There is no reason for the existence of computers/robots/sellotapes/buckets/scissors , the reason for the existence of computers/robots/sellotapes/buckets/scissors is whatever they choose make of it

The things you listed have many uses and their uses depend on what the person using them decides to use them for. My laptop is used mostly for school work and surfing the internet, but my nephews laptop is used mostly for watching movies and listening to music. Another person's laptop might be used solely for scamming and fraud, just as another might be used mostly for storing pictures. A scissors might be used to cut cloth by someone and used as a murder weapon by a serial killer. But that is beside the point.

Tell me the universal reason for man's existence and why it is not adhered to by all humans. Why do all religions have different reasons for human existence, I just mentioned a few to you. Please stop running away from the question.

KingEbukasBlog:
dalaman

Lielieman needs to quit his hypocrisy and shameful deceit . He claimed to have read the bible , koran and the Hindus' book and still says he does not know who Solomon is .

D

I said Solomon is a mythical character. Stop referring me to mythical characters when interacting with me.