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winner01:
Na yur papa property i steal? Or does this look like academia, journalism or industry
When you realize your obsession for God and religion, You'll see where you broke the rules.
So i should find a physical reason for someone who believes he exists for absolutely no reason. The same mumu believes that all man's creations are for a cause, but man himself has no cause.

You've lost it completely, go get the help you dont deserve.

winner01:
Why are you crying thief!!! are you enchanted? You speak of rules, you didnt think so when you decided to spew trash on religious section. Going by rules, you arnt meant to be here. Last i checked, Nigerians have a right to freedom of worship. So why the unnecessary obsession with God. When you fuvk off, ill play by the rules.

Naah, you tell me. Give me a reason why you should exist or why a universe should exist.

KingEbukasBlog:
This is insanely puerile . This is the same way you ignored my other explanation for the existence of God outside time - infinite regression - because you could not refute the post . Stop sulking like a petulant big baby and address what he has laid out

What is your own reason for human existence

winner01:
ehyaa, sorry ehn. Tell that to your lying brother and stop being an impartial sucker. ..

Im sure you didnt think you were breaking the rules when you decided to exhibit your foolishness in religious section.

winner01:
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Foolishness!!!!...Show some more cos thats what y'all are good at.

Sorry ehn, Pardon me but I didnt hear you cry foul when your fellow anti-theist lied about being a christian. Dont then be too upbeat about references in an informal context.
You dont need to respond, Aheists run when shown their folly, run away and never come back.


Your picture is complete thrash because it is not God or nothing, there is the option of I don't know which is the most sincere and true option, because the reality is no one really knows. You have just been defending the opinion of others and presenting them as if they are factual. Saying that man must be a coincidence is your own making an assumption, [b]I do not know so I have no position of how man came about, until studies are don and the verifiable truth is established, I am very OK with I do not know.


@ bolded, By all means, gladly continue in ignorance. When next you seek for knowlegdge, dont read. Just believe that you're here and like every other irrelevant object, live and die.
Its not enough You dont know, you need other people not to know with you. Now you've created for yourself a religion, open your eyes, you will see. [/b]

KingEbukasBlog:
@shiinihost ... copied his bullshi.t from this site but I still addressed his opinion . So not responding to winner01 's is an act of cowardice . You dont have any rebuttals , so you opted not to respond . Its pretty simple .

https://biologos.org/common-questions/scientific-evidence/ages-of-the-earth-and-universe

winner01:
[b]Your question should be "can you explain" not "can you demonstrate". Its like asking you to demonstrate how man came into existence. It makes no sense.

In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth ( Genesis 1:1 ). (Time was created)

This verse tells us that God was acting before time when He created the universe. Many other verses from the New Testament tell us that God was acting before time began, and so, He created time, along with the other dimensions of our universe:

No, we speak of God's secret wisdom, a wisdom
that has been hidden and that God destined for our
glory before time began. (1 Corinthians 2:7 )

This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the
beginning of time (2 Timothy 1:9 )

The hope of eternal life, which God... promised
before the beginning of time (Titus 1:2 )

To the only God our Savior, through Jesus Christ
our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion and authority,
before all time and now and forever. Amen. (Jude
1:25 )

Justin Martyr, a second century Christian apologist, in his Hortatory Address to the Greeks, said that Plato got the idea that time was created along with the universe from Moses:

"And from what source did Plato draw the information that time was created along with the heavens? For he wrote thus: 'Time, accordingly, was created along with the heavens; in order that, coming into being together, they might also be together dissolved, if ever their dissolution should take place.' Had he not learned this from the divine history of Moses?"

Since we live in a universe of cause and effect, we naturally assume that this is the only way in which any kind of existence can function. However, the premise is false. Without the dimension of time, there is no cause and effect, and all things that could exist in such a realm would have no need of being caused, but would have always existed.

Therefore God has no need of being created, but, in fact, created the time dimension of our universe specifically for a reason - so that cause and effect would exist for us. However, since God created time, cause and effect would never apply to His existence.

God exists in more than one dimension of time. Things that exist in one dimension of time are restricted to time's arrow and are confined to cause and effect. However, two dimensions of time form a plane of time, which has no beginning and no end and is not restricted to any single direction. A being that exists in at least two dimensions of time can travel anywhere in time and yet never had a beginning, since a plane of time has no starting point.

The idea that God can be eternal leads some people to the idea that maybe the universe is eternal, and, therefore, God doesn't need to exist at all.
Actually, this was the prevalent belief of atheists before the observational data of the 20th century strongly refuted the idea that the universe was eternal. This fact presented a big dilemma for atheists, since a non-eternal universe implied that it must have been caused.
Maybe Genesis 1:1 was correct! Not to be dismayed by the facts, atheists have invented some metaphysical "science" that attempts to explain away the existence of God.

Hence, most atheistic cosmologists believe that we see only the visible part of a much larger "multiverse" that randomly spews out universes with different physical parameters. Since there is no evidence supporting this idea (nor can there be, according to the laws of the universe), it is really just a substitute "god" for atheists.

And, since this "god" is non-intelligent by definition, it requires a complex hypothesis, which would be ruled out if we use Occam's razor, which states that one should use the simplest logical explanation for any phenomenon. Purposeful intelligent design of the universe makes much more sense, especially based upon what we know about the design of the universe.

When Stephen Hawking, George Ellis, and Roger Penrose extended the equations for general relativity to include space and time, the results showed that time has a beginning - at the moment of creation (i.e., the Big Bang). In fact, many professors make such a claim - that the universe had a beginning and that this beginning marked the beginning of time.
Such assertions support the Bible's claim that time began at the creation of the universe.
God has no need to have been created, since He exists either outside time (where cause and effect do not operate) or within multiple dimensions of time (such that there is no beginning of God's plane of time). Hence God is eternal, having never been created.

Although it is possible that the universe itself is eternal, eliminating the need for its creation, observational evidence contradicts this hypothesis, since the universe began to exist a finite 13.8 billion years ago. The only possible escape for the atheist is the invention of a kind of super universe, which can never be confirmed experimentally (hence it is metaphysical in nature, and not scientific). [/b]

winner01:
[b]That question was asked severally in the Bible. I want you to realize that the christian walk is not an easy walk just as there is no easy way to success.

Just as christians love to quote bible verses for protection, they tend to suppress other scriptures which are equally relevant and point us toward walking down a road that none of us who are sane want to travel, the path of suffering.
Paul learned this when he said; "For I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my name's sake" (Acts 9:16). 2 Timothy 2:12 tells us that "If we suffer, we shall also reign with him."
There is more to God than just wanting to rescue us from everything so that it all goes our way all the time. "For what glory is it, if, when ye be buffeted for your faults, ye shall take it patiently? but if, when ye do well, and suffer for it, ye take it patiently, this is acceptable with God" ( 1 Pet. 2:20 ).

God wants us to learn from suffering and He wants to strengthen us through it. "But and if ye suffer for righteousness' sake, happy are ye: and be not afraid of their terror, neither be troubled;" (1 Peter 3:14 ).

A christian's attitude is supposed to change from one of fear and avoidance to that of embracing the suffering before us.
As Christians, God does not promise to preserve our physical bodies during our earthly lives unless it serves His purposes and allows us to accomplish His will for us. The suffering in our paths can only hurt us so much. We may die physically, but only God has charge over our soul and He has promised to preserve our souls.
Most times when suffering is in front of us, we naturally look for a way out of it, you will agree that there is no way out, Christians are actually to run toward it and accept it as part of His plan for us.
Now that is where it is hard to understand again, to accept that God allows us to be killed, even beheaded. However, Christ went down that road, "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:" (1 Pet. 3:18).
We all want to be Christ-like, but most of the time that means only in ways we agree with or want.
Christ made it clear although that if we want to be like Him, we will have suffering, not possibly, but will. That just goes against the grain of what many Christian churches m teach nowadays. Jesus Christ explained to those who said they were following Him that He was their food and they did not understand because they did not want to understand. "When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you? What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you that believe not.

A sound christian fears no evil, not even death. The carnal man sees death as the ultimate, we see it as a transition into glory.

"Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell."-(matt 10:28) [/b]

winner01:
[b]It is estimated that there are today over 27 million people in the world who are subject to slavery: forced labor, sex trade, inheritable property, etc. As those who have been redeemed from the slavery of sin, followers of Jesus Christ are the foremost champions of ending human slavery in the world today.

Now the Bible does not specifically condemn the practice of slavery. But it gives instructions on how slaves should be treated ( Deuteronomy 15:12-15 ; Ephesians 6:9 ; Colossians 4:1 ).

What you fail to understand is that slavery in biblical times was very different from the slavery that was practiced in the past few centuries in many parts of the world. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status. People sold themselves as slaves when they could not pay their debts or provide for their families. In New Testament times, sometimes doctors, lawyers, and even politicians were slaves of someone else. Some people actually chose to be slaves so as to have all their needs provided for by their masters.

The slavery of the past few centuries was often based exclusively on skin color. In the United States, many black people were considered slaves because of their nationality; many slave owners truly believed black people to be inferior human beings. The Bible condemns race-based slavery in that it teaches that all men are created by God and made in His image Genesis 1:27. At the same time, the Old Testament did allow for economic- based slavery and regulated it. The key issue is that the slavery the Bible allowed for in no way resembled the racial slavery that plagued our world in the past few centuries.

In addition, both the Old and New Testaments condemn the practice of “man-stealing,” which is what happened in Africa in the 19th century. Africans were rounded up by slave-hunters, who sold them to slave-traders, who brought them to the New World to work on plantations and farms.
This practice is abhorrent to God. In fact, the penalty for such a crime in the Mosaic Law was death: “Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death” Exodus 21:16.

Similarly, in the New Testament, slave-traders are listed among those who are “ungodly and sinful” and are in the same category as those who kill their fathers or mothers, murderers, adulterers and perverts, and liars and perjurers (1 Timothy 1:8–10 ).

The Bible is to point the way to salvation, not to reform society. The Bible often approaches issues from the inside out. If a person experiences the love, mercy, and grace of God by receiving His salvation, God will reform his soul, changing the way he thinks and acts. A person who has experienced God’s gift of salvation and freedom from the slavery of sin, as God reforms his soul, will realize that enslaving another human being is wrong. He will see, with Paul, that a slave can be “a brother in the Lord” ( Philemon 1:16 ). A person who has truly experienced God’s grace will in turn be gracious towards others. That would be the Bible’s prescription for ending slavery.

As for murder, In order for God to commit murder, He would have to act “unlawfully.” We must recognize that God is God. “His works are perfect, and all His ways are just. A faithful God who does no wrong, upright and just is He” (Deuteronomy 32:4 ; Psalm 11:7 ; 90:9 ). He created man and expects obedience

(Exodus 20:4-6 ; Exodus 23:21 ; 2 John 1:6 ). When man takes it upon himself to disobey God, he faces God’s wrath (Exodus 19:5 ; Exodus 23:21-22 ; Leviticus 26:14-18 ). Furthermore, “God is a just judge, and God is angry with the wicked every day.

Nowhere in Scripture can we find where God killed “innocent” people. In fact, compared to God’s holiness, there is no such thing as an “innocent” person. All have sinned (Romans 3:23 ), and the penalty for sin is death ( Romans 6:23a ). God has “just cause” to wipe us all out; the fact that He doesn’t is proof of His mercy.

Until the final judgment, there is always mercy to be found. Every person dies in God’s own time (Hebrews 9:27 ; Genesis 3:19 ). Jesus holds the keys of death (Revelation 1:18 ). Ill ask you; Does the fact that everyone experiences physical death make God a “killer”? In the sense that He could prevent all death, yes. He allows us to die. But He is no murderer. Death is part of the human experience because we brought it into the world ourselves (Romans 5:12 ). One day, as John Donne put it, “Death shall be no more; death, thou shalt die.” God, in His grace, has conquered death for those who are in Christ, and one day that truth will be fully realized: “The last enemy to be subdued and abolished is death” (1 Corinthians 15:26 ).
God is faithful to His word. He will destroy the wicked, and He holds “the unrighteous for the day of judgment, while continuing their punishment” (2 Peter 2:9 ). But He has also promised that “the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord” ( Romans 6:23b ). [/b]

Just the answer i expected. Gibberish!!!
My picture aint trash, it only hit you where you didnt expect. There's no God according to you, man must have been a great coincidence, then answer the question.

@bolded, thats a stup1d question cos you people claim not to believe in anything. Y'all are so empty. What then is the reason for man. Be sensible please.

KingEbukasBlog:
Who is Solomon ? You claim to have read all three religious books - the bible , Koran and the Hindus' book

When your own words come back to embarrass you .

You are a shameless liar and hypocrite . An ignorant anti-theist who lives in his world formed/created without any purpose .

A snippet of your foolishness and link to your shameful disgusting personality

https://www.nairaland.com/2557475/delusions-forgiveness-christian-morality/7#37552195

KingEbukasBlog:
You've said that you dont believe the Big Fraud Theory and Scamvolution . I hope you know the time of the universe was through the instance of expansion till now . You've also asserted that the universe is eternal . So suddenly you are now sure the universe is 13billion yrs old ?

Ah Ah brother . Your tardiness is there all for to see and you are shamelessly ignoring it

The same God said you need to study to show yourself approved . And gain wisdom and understanding

He gave Solomon wisdom , so did Solomon eat all the fruits on the tree of knowledge ? This is not a rhetorical question

KingEbukasBlog:
Reasoning at its best - something was responsible for creation and I have to wait for evidence that will show how the universe was created but its not God .

KingEbukasBlog:
1 Corinthians 1:27



By the way the serpent was not imaginary . The book of genesis especially chapters 1 and 2 entails one to study

I may explain somethings about the chapters 1 and 2 and they'll say its occultism or seen as heresy . You can hold whatever belief you want about creation though . But the earth , moon , stars were not created 6,000 yrs ago . Those chapters are an abstract representation of what actually took place . It could be allegorical .I cant say because I was not there , it does not prove that God does not exist

KingEbukasBlog:
Evidently this is what a debased troubled mind can come up with - making aimless foolish claims and assertions

KingEbukasBlog:
Genesis 1 : 1


Beginning - this shows the introduction of time . If God could create our universe in which time is a constituent then he exists outside it .

johnydon22:
[b]He didn't know much about the old testament cus if he did he wouldn't have opened this thread.

If Muslim Allah is the one that loves smell of burnt animal, truthman will be the first to tell muslim how wrong it is and how absurd it was for a supreme deity who created the universe to be loving the smell of burnt flesh.

But that is one thing with religion, blind hypocrisy. .he won't for one minute apply the same logic and reason he applies to other religion to his because he knows if he did he would find his religion and God concept is as ridiculous as that of other religions.

Everybody pays a blind eye to the absurdities in their religions and point out the absurdities in others.
Jesus likened this leaving the wood in ones eye to take out a speck of dust in anothers.

A muslim will never see the nonsensical wacky practises and outright lies and implausible attributes of his God but his eyes is open to see these in the Christian God concept same way goes to Christians..

Atheists are just there to tell them both: "Both of you are practising bullshiiiit..." [/b]

KingEbukasBlog:
Lol

Sorry for the laughter .

13. 7 billion years old shows it has a beginning . God has no beginning because He is outside time.

KingEbukasBlog:
@ bold You contradict yourself - an evidence that you are very confused . This is what you replied why respect80 asked you a simple question





Why can someone conclude that there is no God and still say he is waiting for evidence to prove God's existence .
Romans 1:28


Indeed this is true

KingEbukasBlog:
If a creator did not create the living then the universe - according to its own will. You cant stand in between - its either God or the universe did .

johnydon22:


I only wanted to teach him that the jews also eat sacrifices using the bible but he doesn't even want to learn. .

KingEbukasBlog:
How do you prove the universe has always been existing ?

KingEbukasBlog:
He told you that the bible warns of false prophets obviously with false doctrines

Matthew 7:15

15 Beware of false prophets , which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.


... and you called him confused and deluded

You are the one confused ... very confused

winner01:
Show me where the Bible supports the pope or masturbation or forever remain silent. And please go look up the word delusion and confusion cos clearly you are unintelligent.
Since the universe created us, I posted a picture which you and your friends have kept mute to, answer it if you feel your brain is more developed than theirs

winner01:
You might need to rephrase the bolded statement, Cos in your own words, billions of people around the world are nut cases. Thats very stup1d and myopic. You and the other minority atheists are the ones who need to check yourselves...

So which discovery of the following; Nicholas Copernicus, Sir Francis Bacon, Johannes
Kepler, Rene Descartes, Blaise Pascal, Isaac Newton, Robert Boyle, Michael Faraday, Gregor Mendel, William Thomson Kelvin, Max Planck. ran against their belief in God.

Hear what you say; I need to show you your Creator and describe Him to you. Use your brains please.

johnydon22:
This is agreed but you are still missing the point...I have no business with what you and muslims are doing.

This is not an argument..

The point here is you think Judaism don't eat sacrifices and i want to teach you that they do using the bible so you can learn and know they do eat the offered animals or food.

Its not about what people feel about you, its about you knowing exactly what you were talking about..

winner01:
blah, blah, blah!!!....The pope says this, Is it in my Bible?, Oyakilome says that, is it in my Bible?......
People like you are easily swayed and thats the exact reason you yield easily to ignorance. I wonder what school grades you made. Even the Bible warns against false prophets, the Bible is our guide, our lamp. Whatever is not in the word of God is contrary. Open your eyes and mind to reason please.

winner01:
I think the same thing happened somewhere in the Bible, Some magicians performed the same sign showed by a prophet of God. The Bible never said they dont have power, but says they will be powerless against the children of God. They do have powers but only Jesus saves. God is All-powerful.

KingEbukasBlog:
You need a psychiatrist if don't understand that the supernatural defies the order/laws of nature .

Pffttt

Try again

winner01:
You are obsessed with God, if not you wont be here. its evident in your posts. I wonder why you guys mention scientists at every small oppourtunity, its not like they have anything to offer atheism, most ofthe worlds greatest scientists believed in God. No one, no man can carnally discover God. You need to diligently seek Him not by this display of ignorance here.

winner01:
Dumb, very dumb. What other message do they preach apart from the gospel of Christ?

KingEbukasBlog:
Whether right or wrong , it still does not change the fact that there's a Supreme Being - God

KingEbukasBlog:
The wrong practice of religion gives the illusion of different "God"