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KingEbukasBlog:
The discovered ruins matched the biblical description . Studies reveal a disaster - not asteroid or earthquake etc - was the cause of the destruction

Which disaster? Was it fire and brimstone as written inside the bible? Is the biblical S&G located in Jordan? What about the pillar of salt that people go to visit in Israel which they claim is Lot's wife?

sonOfLucifer:
Local myths feature local places, languages, culture, food etc. It won't be a surprise if verified. Nothing astounding about that.
The fact the place 'exists' doesn't make the Biblical version of its destruction true. That's like saying New York exists, so there must be a Spider-Man.

They discovered the ancient city called troy like 6 years ago, going by KingEbukasBlog;s line of reasoning, it means all the Gods talked about in the story are true.

KingEbukasBlog:
God has been and will always exist . You can throw tantrums like a petulant baby ... no one cares

Just say you believe that God exist, you don't have any incontrovertible proof to show that this God of yours exist anywhere, even if they are going to kill you and they tell you to give a detailed description of your God you can't. You can not give me a detailed description of your God's features so that if I encounter it I will know it is the God you are talking about. You just believe and that is all there is to your assertions.

KingEbukasBlog:
Wahingtonpost vs Dailymail ?

I'm a blogger so its easy to detect that its not even a friendly match

Read the comments on Dailymail and tell me what you think

I don't want to go into the Washingtonpost vs Dailymail thing. It can not be the biblical Sodom and Gomorrah simply because Lot's wife is not found any where there, the pillar of Lot's wife is in Israel as we are told, chiristian pilgrims travel there to see the said pillar of salt in Israel. This place is located in Jordan not Israel. The Tall el-Hammam is located Jordan and does not match Sodom and Gomorrah because of it's size. Beside the fact that it is a christian university that sponsored the expedition, it can not be said to be objective and credible. Learn to read things objectively please.

KingEbukasBlog:
Before ignorant comments start rolling in ... please it has been proven it was not
1. An asteroid strike
2. Natural disaster - Earthquake, Tsunami etc
These disasters would have wiped out vast area of land but instead the event occurred within the specified area as written in the bible
Please note that the findings from the place match
a. The biblical description
b.. Historical account of the area
a and b are related
cc : malvisguy212, An2elect2, Thoniameek, winner01, dalaman

Read this entry from the Washingtonpost about the same news and make your conclusion.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/10/16/the-long-quest-to-find-the-biblical-cities-of-sodom-and-gomorrah/

There is little evidence that it's actually biblical Sodom.

HenryDion:
I rather become a satanist than being an atheist. No matter how incline i am when it comes to science, a part of me still believe that spirituality exist and i have personally experience it. The funny part is, when these atheist see things or feel things out of the ordinary, they try to ascribe it to their body playing tricks on them. If they see something out of this dimension, they believe they are hullcinating or invent a fictitious stale name to justify their claim. In fact, they don't believe in themselves. They don't believe the messages their body is sending. They don't believe in who they are.

Whenever you bring up issues concerning spirituality, their next question will be "prove it" and the only way they gonna believe is when you prove is scientifically which is so lame. You can never prove spirituality with science. The only way you can prove that is by freeing yourself from the bondage you have got yourself into.

Am not against your pretty knowledge in science, but don't allow yourself lose grasp of reality. Don't allow the knowledge you acquire disconnect you from your root. Spirituality is more real than the cloth you are wearing. Just that u are too blind to see.

That's my cent.

Can you give us an example of spirituality in action.

HCpaul:
Thanks for at least contributing.

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.
A day will declare who is right and who is wrong, who is smart and who is dull, who will continue living and who will be stopped.
Let us all wait for the day of judgement.


Eternity will judge.

Hearing the word of God or word of men? The bible is the word of men.

Islam is Arab's people idea to spread their culture and dominate the world through it.

So Jesus will return as an Arab as written inside the bible? . You are a mad man.

madjnr:
Typical bigots.... Instead of attacking the message... You're attacking the messenger.... What has copy and paste got to do with this now... ? The issue is the wrong use of some quranic verse... You're here ranting over inconsequential tins

A lot of muslims actually believe and take those war verses to mean what they say, but a lot of muslims can not keep fighting the non muslims because muslims are second class citizens in the world. Non muslims have all the biggest and best militaries in the world, they have the biggest and best economies in the world and have all the wealth, muslims nations have little coupled with the fact that about 80 percent of the world's population is non muslim, if muslims try fighting every body all the time they will all be killed and there will be no muslim left in the world. So muslims have to just look for ways to brush aside all the violent verses and give them their own meaning because they know very well that reality supersedes their religious beliefs.

KingEbukasBlog:
A good pastor will tell you that since you are privileged to be a christian , obviously by birth , preach the gospel and tell the unbelievers of the truth

Mark 16:15-16

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


Like I always say though you keep being pretentious about understanding it : Different religions give the false impression of different Supreme Beings and Hells

Good day Dalaman

A good Imam will tell a muslim that since he is privileged to be a muslim by birth and know of Allah's final truth and revelation, he should preach the final truth to unbelievers like you that have been decieved by shaitan to accept the wrong religion. You believe in the false supreme being, accept Allah and his last messenger or be damned in the everlasting fire. Good day.

KingEbukasBlog:
I knew that passage of the scripture knocked up off balance but anyways ,who art thou to withstand the unrivaled power of truth .


Begone atheist and continue wallowing in denial of your creator , for He has given you a depraved mind because ye have failed to acknowledge Him as God - your creator .

Romans 1:28

And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind to do those things which are not fitting

Have you ever been knocked off balance by a muslims when he reads to you the truth of the Koran which says you will rot in hell for your unbelief in Allah's divine truth? The way you never blink an eye when a muslims threatens you with hell is the same way that I can never blink and eye when you threaten me with your imaginary punishment or life after death. You just happen to be indoctrinated with one of the God ideas, if you were born in India and living there you would be a Hindu now and will be telling us about the truth of Hinduism.

Jeromejnr:
You sure about that? 100% sure?

Remember for you to conclude on a matter you have to posses absolute facts.

The after life is a human creation. Go to Egypt and see the pyramids and underground valley chambers they build for their Kings over 5000 years ago because of their belief in the after life. These Pyramids were built before your religion even came into existence. The Hindus created their own idea of reincarnation, the after life is a human concept which was created because of humans mortality, humans believed life was too short and will want to live longer and forever. The after life is a man made concept that is why there are differt forms and types of the afterlife.

Jeromejnr:
You using the scriptures of Jesus coming does not mean anything.

It has been clearly said time and time again by the same people that no one knows. Some people also in this generation believe He is coming in their lifetime which may not happen. But it still doesn't change anything.

In fact most of the scriptures regarding His coming are mysteries. As we see in the book of Revelations. God is the only one that can unfold the mystery if He wants to.

It is just fictitious, it will never happen. That is the reality of the matter.

KingEbukasBlog:
Everyone should be on alert as regards to the coming of Christ . Paul thought it was in his lifetime . Other top christian evangelists of the 1700s and 1800s thought it could happen in theirs .

Its all about alertness and being prepared

1 Thessalonians 5:2-4


2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

3 While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

4 But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief.

Sure, Jesus will return in only in your imaginations. The ancient Greeks all said the same and used the same language you guys are using now.

Richirich713:
1st u wrong to assume that the having the holy spirit makes us prophets, receiving the spirit does not make men prophets.

I thought the holy spirit is supposed to guide you and teach you the word? Why then are you saying different things? The holy spirit like any other thing in christianity exist only in your heads. Two of you can not even come to the same conclusion about a single verse, look at what is happening in christianity today and tell me if there really is a holy spirit that exist in reality that teaches christians anything. People just keep interpreting things according to their own understanding and opinions.

2ndly u stubborn about the verse as u only take one understanding of the phase "before the Son of Man comes", and ignore the rest.

3rd Jeromejnr gave u a list of possible options . Yet again u stubborn to consider them.

If the bible which you believe is that word of God that will lead to something as important as eternal life or save people from eternal damnation is not clear and needs so much different possible options then why should any one accept it. This is obviously a joke.

KingEbukasBlog:
Its clearly their opinion . Like the narration of Christ's second coming , everyone is entitled to their opinion and I respect that . If you say its figurative , its fine with me ,if you insists its not , fine with me . All we Christians know is that Christ is coming again ... Amen

It is always every body's opinion, you also gave yours, you did not go into details because if you had it would have been different from the opinion of the other two. Why should any body believe you when you can't even agree among yourselves on what your scripture says? Everything about the bible you talk about is not what the bible says but what you think the bible is supposed to say. You guys are just a bunch of comedians. Jesus is coming only in your imaginations, Paul also thought Jesus was coming during his life time.

KingEbukasBlog:
I used it to explain the verse . You being obdurate about this issue is plain hypocrisy , even after series of explanations . You keep raising this same verse . This is not even the first thread this have been discussed .


Dalaman its past your bed time

Series of explanations or series of lies? It is very obvious that they are explaining it away.

Read the explanation put forth by Richirich713 and the link posted by Jeromejnr you will see that their explanation of the verse is totally different. Which of them is true and which is false? From that you can see that christians just make things up as they go and lay claim to this elusive and imaginary holy spirit. Is it the same holy spirit that interpreted the verse to Jeromejnr and Richirich713? why are their explanations very different? You guys just don't have anything to say, just keep telling lies for Jesus, since that is all you are good at.

Jeromejnr:
1. You didn't even read it.

2. Now you decide to stick with a scripture because it suits you.

3. The bible was not even written for nonspiritual people in the first place so why are you ranting?

The apologist just doesn't want to accept what was written, that is what all christians do, they refuse to accept what was written inside the bible which is actually why we have over 30, 000 sects of christianity each interpreting the bible according to what they want and telling other that is is what the bible actually means. The guy clearly admitted that some christians read the verse exactly as it says but claims they are wrong. If the bible is spiritual then why are some christians reading the passage just as I read it?

Here is his conclusion from the link.

"If we apply this principle to the situation at hand, it is reasonable to conclude that the phrase “till the Son of man comes” represents a “judgment” coming of the Savior upon the nation of Israel and the city of Jerusalem.It was a just punishment for their culminating act rebellion in rejecting their Messiah, the Son of God."

From his conclusion you can see that he was just giving his own opinion. If the bible wants people to know that the message was for the punishment of Israel from the savior it would have said so. It will not wait for this apologist to say it because many people do not have access to this apologist. But let's look at it and if we do we will see that the guy is just lying because the passage does not mention judgement anywhere, it also does not mention rebellion or rejecting the son of God anywhere, it just says the disciples are to keep running from one city to another in order to avoid persecution and before they finish running round all the cities, Jesus will return

Jeromejnr:
Since I see you decided to picky. Why don't you enlighten yourself with this:

https://www.christiancourier.com/articles/668-what-is-the-meaning-of-matthew-10-23

Note: make sure you read it carefully and don't come here and twist words.

The link you posted has christians giving different views and opinions on what thye believe the bible to be saying there. I don't need any body's view, the passage is very clear, 'i'll just go with what the passage says not some confused apologist whose opinion doesn't even matter.

Rilwayne001:
Damn! I haven't seen this verse in a while, nice one. There is a christian evangelist here that won't allow me rest—he is a friend though, nevertheless I need to show him this.

Make I shapaly bookmark it.

They are all falling over their heads trying to explain the very clear passage away.

KingEbukasBlog:
Seriously and honestly , if this was what you could come out with as a response then its shameful .. very very

All the heads of the family came to meeting

So Dalaman , their heads were cut off and brought to the meeting ?

Na you oo ... Badoo

We are not talking about heads of any family. We are talking about what Jesus told his disciples about his coming. He was specific in his injunction. You clearly have nothing to say here.

KingEbukasBlog:
Every christian is a disciple(follower) of Christ and this warning/instruction has also been applied even in modern times . Dalaman you are beginning to bore me . Looks like Teempakguy is more interesting to argue with , by the time we are through he might not visit the science section again

So every christian will not finish going through the cities of Israel before Jesus comes? How many christians are living in Israel today facing persecution? . If you don't have anything to say it's better you keep quite instead of embarrassing your self like this. The message is very clear. Your ridiculous spin only exposes you.

Richirich713:
It does if u misinterpret his words.

Just like the Jews Completely misunderstood him wen he said "Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up again"

Or just like a Jewish teacher Nicodemus misunderstood jesus use of the term "born again "

I have already posted the chapter and verse, it is pretty much clear what he said.

KingEbukasBlog:
He didn't assure them because He clearly said he didn't know


Mark 13:32
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

This discussion could go deeper because of its ambiguity but damn you are good at cherry picking tho

No one knows that day and hour not the period, there is a great difference. Jesus told his disciples that he will come during their life time.

""You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved. "But whenever they persecute you in one city, flee to the next; for truly I say to you, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel until the Son of Man comes."-Matthew 10:22-23

Richirich713:
Jesus also said amazing 2000 years old that people like u will not understand his words.

It doesn't change the fact that he clearly told his disciples that he will come during their life time. He even advised them on what to do as they wait for his return.

KingEbukasBlog:
Everyone believes Christ will come in his lifetime .

Which makes it more fictitious, even Jesus according to the bible told and assured his disciples that he will return during their life time. That was 2000 years ago.

KingEbukasBlog:
"in" and "from" are two different prepositions . Actually there are really deep theological depictions of that clause - coming in the clouds - but it would be a complete waste of time sharing it with you .

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 :

For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive, and remain until the coming of the Lord, shall not precede those who have fallen asleep.

16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trumpet of God; and the dead in Christ shall rise first.

17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and thus we shall always be with the Lord.

This a perfect example of the metaphorical narration of Christ's second coming . What's the nature of His coming ?


Anyways on the day it happens , we will all see if it was figurative or not .

Metaphorical according to you? Is that what the author of the verse thought? It's very clear that the author believed it will happen during his life time.

KingEbukasBlog:
Coming from the clouds ? Does He stay there . You are filled with so much misconceptions and ignorance of biblical events/views etc .

You were obviously muslim before please find muslims and argue with them

It's written in the bible.

"AND THE STARS WILL BE FALLING from heaven, and the powers that are in the heavens will be shaken. "Then they will see THE SON OF MAN COMING IN CLOUDS with great power and glory" Mark 13: 25-26

KingEbukasBlog:
What objective perception do you need . I know He created everything - the contents of the universe - if you disagree its your business . Millions of people have experienced miracles and witnessed His presence , yet you say they are lies . When you experience the power of God , isn't it convincing enough ?

You don't know, you believe. You don't know what created the universe and when you only believe some God idea some men created did it. You don't know if many entities created the universe, you just believe that a single entity did because you have been indoctrinated with that idea. Millions of Hindus, Muslims, Taoist etc have also experienced miracles and witnessed the presence of their various Gods, it means nothing, religious experience has been shown to be the product of the brain.

Have you shown me He does not exist ? No

I said I don't believe, so show me that he exist. A God that exist will not need you to show me that he exist, he will also not need me to show you that he doesn't exist. Any God that exist will be self evident. Your God exist but in your imaginations and that of those that subscribe to that idea.

Have you proven that life came from the non - living ? No

Life coming from living or non living things has nothing to do with the existence of a God. God should have clear evidence for his existence. Why should the existence of other things be used as evidence for the existence of God? Have you ever asked your self that question? Why is God the only thing which we use the existence of other things to point out as his existence?

Have you explained the disparity between the nature of the elements of life ? No

Have you proven that the contents of the universe came forth on their own will , then for no reason brought forth you as a thinking reasoning being ? No

Have you shown why the universe needs no creator ? No

You are just using God as your position for "I do not know". If God exist then point to it as an independent entity. What we see around is evidence for the environment and not evidence for God. Does your God exist? If e does show it already.

Yes God exits , you can wait for Science to explain what happened billions of years ago . As far as no human being at this present time witnessed the beginning , you'll only see theories and more theories , assumptions and more assumptions till you die . Until Christ comes , trust me this will continue .

God exist as a dead Jewish man that died over 200 years ago that will come again? This has nothing to do with reality but just a statement of belief. There is a great difference btw belief and reality. You believe in the story told about some dead Jewish man who lived 200 years ago coming from the clouds but you still confidently regurgitate it as if it has anything to do with reality.

Richirich713:
Then I wonder why the Jews thought they got him killed and why the romans thought they crucified him, and why his crucifixion is considered a historical fact by nearly all historical scholars even atheists.

Which Jews thought the got him killed? In which Jewish history book can this be found? Which Roman thought they crucified him, in which Roman book can this be found? The story of Jesus were only written by christians and as such can only be found in the bible and books that were banned from the bible.