nutarious: ohhhhhh i miss the part where u said fire coming out of a man, is he a mutant, are u sure u are in nigeria?
there is this sport event that happen in nigerian during OBASANJO'S TIME, dont remebr, maybe its common wealth or some sports, i will find out .......................and tell u.
Nigeria showed their rich culture by using sango man to light fire touch.........................and an oya worshipper to put the fire out......live on tv
nta aired it then, but have seen this on one on one view like 3 times now, its a fact. since u are in NIGERIA, when u go to work just find out about if its true or not, in fact any household that worship the sango deity will have a priest that can do that, i am not telling u fables, this thign are real.
i wish i can lay my hands on that sport then, obj and many african president were there, i dont know where u grew up..........................but i tell u deny it till tomao for arguement cases, this deities are real.
and this guys are not as perfect as the ones i have seeen live, for this ones need fire to start fire, nigerian sango worshippers can do generate fire with needing a fire to start it, science dont explain thigns like this.
sorry for typing errors, browsing on duty.lol
So the display of magic and illusion by tricksters means deities are real? I saw you write about Chris Angel, but hope you know that Chris Angle himself said it that as far as he knows no human being has any supernatural powers, they all use tricks and special effects to deceive their audience.It's all an illusion. The Sango people you saw were magicians that ascribe their tricks to their deities, just like the people in the video you posted, the only diffrence is the people in the videos do not ascribe it to any deity, they just do it for fun. If they were Nigerians you'll claim they have supernatural powers and that their gods are real.
babyosisi: Why do olden marriages last longer that modern ones is your question
Back then men married plenty wives they are mad at the wife,they marry another They feel the wife is not behaving to teach her a lesson,they bring another wife And she stayed for the sake of the kids and took whatever was meted to her The same things our grandmothers endured still obtains today but women are wiser Many women today will not tolerate what their grandmas tolerated They have careers now Many are independent They now have a voice Being divorced is not as much a stigma as before They now know it is ok to walk away from abuse And that it's ok to raise kids in a non abusive environment rather than stay married at all costs Back then a woman left a bad marriage,she went without her kids Who wants to do that?,they stayed so as not to have their kids taken away Not anymore The court system can now grant custody of the kids to the woman
McSterling: True. These juju believers would have us believe that the USA, Russia, China and other world powers have chosen to ignore the supposed incredible potency of juju and have left it for village priests in the third world to play with.
McSterling: I can't deny that you have many sensational tales to tell...tales rife with loopholes and untruths that you perhaps have convinced yourself to believe. Your claims remain unsubstantiated though.
Some questions I ask myself often concerning juju is this: if we have such incredible power at our fingertips here in Africa, why have we failed to harness it? Why hasn't the government invested in it? Why have we not found ways to amplify it? Why haven't we seen juju generate revenue for us? Why hasn't it increased our GDP? Do you have any idea how invaluable that dirty water used by the village priest in your tale could be to the arms market and militaries world over? Why is juju so elusive? Why is it so surreptitious? Or
is there something fishy about it?
Forget him and his very long tales. Dirty water koh, clean water ni.
malvisguy212: rubbish!!! I have seen with my two naked eyes when I attend calabar carnival with a friend, we decided to. Visit his village on reaching there, there village and neighbouring village are in war,to cut the story short, when my friend villagers were in the farm farming the enemy invade there housing burn it down, the news reach the villagers in the farm, All of them run straight to the village herbalist and the herbalist give them charm and berth them in a very dirty water, after they received the charm, they walk straight to the village were there houses is being burn, at the front is a little boy holding a broom, as the enemy is shooting there guns and arrow ,the little boy was waving the broom and the enemy bullets were stopping in there front ,nothing harm them, I was in far distance I saw this I could not believe my eyes, that day I take the first bus back to kaduna. I witnesses all this bro, charm are real. I have even seen a small boy beat a grown up man with the help of charm.
Sunnystooth: Yea, i agree with you. Those videos showed a lot. What about christian Pastors and their miracles, do you think they are real or just tricks too?
They are all the same. Here is a video of James Randi exposing a former famous American preacher called Peter Popoff.
“Islam is the world’s fastest-growing religion.In 1990, 935 million people were Muslims and this figure had escalated to around 1.2 billion by 2000, meaning that around one in five people follow Islam. Although the religion began in Arabia, by 2002 80% of all believers in Islam lived outside the Arab world.In the period 1990-2000, approximately 12.5 million more people converted to Islam than to Christianity”([b]Guinness World Records[ /b] 2003, pg 102)
AM not disputing that, am only telling you that the projection in the CNN survey is just what it is, a projection. It may or may not see the light of the day. The western world could see the rise of Islam as a threat and create a biological disease( some thing very contagious and worse than ebola) and throw it in muslim majority countries to reduce their populations. Any thing is possible between now and 2050 or 2100.
Nope, they didn't. I actually never really expected them to anyway. I gave them a very simple task that was very clear cut but they both ran away from it, once I saw that I knew they weren't serious at all.
Gaborone: I'm not going to indulge you by listing them one by one, I'm sorry. There you have another reason not to believe.
To answer you question: I don't have the actual evidence of the testimonies. I didn't steal the test results from the testifiers and the hospitals involved after they were shared in church.
And hey, you're twisting facts. From the get go, I said God can heal amputees, and that I have read of such. I never approbated and reprobated on that one. It was later one I saw some videos with the caption 'creative miracles' when I did a quick search. I couldnt watch, so I referred you to them, and apologized when you said they weren't, and left you to yourself. I don't see the issue there.
Oh, you expected me to start arguing and/or preaching after the video episode.
POPdecorator: the prediction abut nigeria can still comes to pass after all we are still in 2015
to defend dis post go to one of my thread"islam is the fastest growing religion in the world by................
It still remains a prediction that may or may not happen. An asteroid can collide with the planet and end all life before 2050, a world war could break out, the rate at which they projected Islam to grow could slow down for various reasons. It is a waste of time to depend on such projections because many have been made and they never saw the light of the day.
(CNN)If tech futurists are to be believed, by the year 2050, robots will do many of our errands and drive our cars. If a new study on religious trends is to be believed, many of those robot-controlled cars will stop and park at mosques and churches. Yes, despite predictions that religion will go the way of dinosaurs, the size of almost every major faith -- sorry, Buddhists -- will increase in the next 40 years, according to a study released Thursdayby the Pew Research Center. The biggest winners, Pew predicts, will be Islam and Christianity. Islam, the world's fastest-growing faith, will leap from 1.6 billion (in 2010) to 2.76 billion by 2050, according to the Pew study. At that time, Muslims will make up nearly one-third of the world's total projected population of about 9 billion people. Christianity is expected to grow, too, but not at Islam's explosive rate. The Pew study predicts Christians will increase from 2.17 billion to 2.92 billion, composing more than 31% of the world's population. This means that by 2050, more than 6 out of 10 people on Earth will be Christian or Muslim. And, for perhaps the first time in history, Islam and Christianity would boast roughly equal numbers. Looking even farther into the future, Islam's population could surpass Christianity by 2100 Pew says, despite Christians' six-century head start. (It's possible that Muslims outnumbered Christians some time in the past, perhaps during the Black Plague that decimated Europe. But scholars aren't certain.) Based in Washington, Pew is a nonpartisan "fact tank" that regularly produces sweeping surveys of this kind without taking public policy positions. Six years in the making, its study collected data from 234 countries and territories to predict the fate of five major faiths -- Buddhism, Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism and Islam -- as well as folk religions and the religiously unaffiliated, including atheists. The study, which Pew says is the first of its kind, bases its projections on the age of populations, fertility and mortality rates, as well as migration and conversion patterns. Simply put, Muslims are having larger families, retaining more members (conversions are illegal in some Muslim nations) and are younger than adherents of other faiths. More than 1 in 3 Muslims is younger than 15. But religious trends have never been measured on the study's vast scale, Pew says, so a few cautions are in order. First, the population projections are based on current data and assumptions about demographic trends. For example, Muslim women have an average of three children, the highest of any religious group. In the future, if education and employment rates rise, those numbers could change. Second, nobody at Pew has a crystal ball, so events like cataclysmic wars, rampaging diseases, natural disasters and economic meltdowns could throw the numbers off. But it's clear from the 245-page reportthat Pew and the demographic experts they consulted did their homework, so the study is worth taking seriously. With that in mind, here are some of the study's top findings about what the world will look like -- at least, faith-wise -- in 2050. -- Atheists, agnostics and religiously unaffiliated people will increase in the United States (from 16% to 26%) but decline as a share of the total worldwide population. -- Also in the United States, Christians will drop from 78% to 66% of population. Muslims will surpass Jews as the largest non-Christian religion in the U.S. -- Sub-Saharan African will be home to 40% of the Christian population and Nigeria have more Christians than any other country except for the United States and Brazil. -- India will have the largest Muslim population in the world, passing Indonesia, but Hindus will retain a majority. -- More than 10% of Europeans will be Muslim, while the number of Christians in Europe will drop by 100 million. -- Hinduism (1.4 billion adherents) and Judaism (16 million) will increase, while Buddhists will be about the same size as in 2010 (5.2 million). -- In the coming decades, 106 million people are projected to leave Christianity. (46 million will convert to Christianity, offsetting the losses a little.) -- The number of countries with Christian majorities will drop to 151, as Christians are projected to decrease in Australia, Benin, Bosnia-Herzegovina, France, the Netherlands, New Zealand, the Republic of Macedonia and the United Kingdom. -- Muslims are expected to make up more than 50% of the population in 51 countries, including the Republic of Macedonia and Nigeria.
This is just a projection, it may or may not come to pass. Nigeria was projected to divide by the the CIA and it was reported by the same western media including the CNN by 2015. Instead Nigeria held one of the most credible elections in its history in 2015 same year it was projected to disintegrate. The country isn't going to divide and their projection was false. This one could be false as well.
Gaborone: If I told you of 'unbelievable' testimonies people have shared in church, while holding 'before' and 'after' test results, you wouldn't believe, so, what's the point?
Before and after test results such as what? You claimed that God heals amputees when pressed further you ran away from it and claimed you only heard. We don't want hear say. Where is the actual evidence?
Gaborone: Oh, okay. I know your faith is based on videos, pictures and all, so I'm really sorry about that.
Mine is not anyway, so I keep on believing.
I believe things based on how real they are not based on superstition, urban legend and mythology? If you are comfortable in accepting things based only on hear say then good for you. As for me I don't .
Sunnystooth: Hmmm, thanks for this video. It really shows the trick people use. Trust me, at first i believed it was something real. Especially the part were the girl just laid still after all the magic. I did'nt know she and her parents were all part of the team. Thanks again for the video.
Here is another Video from James Randi where he exposes the tricks used by Psychic Surgeons.
When all these claims are scrutinized they all turn out to be fake. All supernatural claims are fake, that is why no God can heal an amputee and restore their amputated limbs back. We get to hear about God healing people of their cancer(mostly after they have under gone painful cancer treatments) or other diseases, but we never get to hear about God healing any amputee. All of these claims involve tricks most people are not aware of, some are just baseless claims that nobody has ever bothered to check out their veracity. I'll post more videos for you to watch.
Gaborone: Google 'videos of creative miracles'. Did that and saw some videos on youtube, but couldn't watch, cos of poor network. So, don't know exactly what they contain. But you're the one in need of such proofs, so try them out.
Even if it turns out there are no videos or pics of these miracles, I would still believe what I have read, for the sheer reason that God is omnipotent.
Sunnystooth: Just for the record, i am an Agnostic Christian. I would like the Atheist in here to throw more light on their idea about the spiritual. We've heard and seen charms, and jazz, and real fetish things committed by humans with different means. I've personally seen raw magic in display, although some magics can be explained, but some can be so deep and fetish that one would think it has to do with the spiritual. We've heard of chinese voodoos, and some other weird things in some cultures around the world. My question once again is, how do the Atheist explain the spiritual? I'm not used to posting a topic here on nairaland, but trust me, i've spent almost everyday since i joined Nairaland, just reading while others argue and comment about stuffs. Just to be clear, i'm not here to engage in an argument with anyone, i just need an explanation. I will only post on this thread if i have a question to ask from any comment here, or when i notice any digression from my question. Thanks. cc: Johnydon22 Frank317 Davien Plaetton. Other Atheist and Agnostic can contribute plz.
It is mostly ignorance and our inability to know that people use a lot of tricks to beguile one another.
Back in 2009 the Indian government was so tired of it's people and their superstitious belief that they openly came out and banned all the so called gurus that claimed they had supernatural powers, the government knew that a superstitious society can never move forward and advance. Science the only mechanism that has advanced the human race is based solely on the principle of naturalism. So far nothing can advance the human race like science, and nothing will. The Indian government then began to use various mediums to create awareness and expose the tricks used by the so called super natural gurus to see to it that they loosen their strong grip on the people . Here is one of such videos.
johnydon22: Am sure you might have seen one of these videos before, just post us a link of one. . i would certainly love to see a video where an amputee limb grew back. .
She should just post the video of an amputee regaining his/her amputated limbs back and end it all.
We are told that there is nothing God can not do. We are also told about God performing miracles and wonders regularly, but the healing of amputees and restoration of their amputated limbs seems to be impossible for God to do from my observations. Why can't God heal amputees?
Concerning jerimaih42:10 it was the king James that translated repent,the verses above, and others, come from the Hebrew Old Testament. The word translated "repented" is the Hebrew verb nâcham (Strong's H5162). It has a number of meanings, including "to be sorry," "console oneself," "repent," "regret," and "be comforted." The actual meaning intended is determined from the context. For example, the King James version translates Genesis 6:6 as "And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart." The New American Standard translates the verse as "The LORD was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart."
The King James English translation uses archaic English that didn't have the same meaning 400 years ago as it does now. So, the archaic translations indicating that God "repented" really indicated that God was sorry or "changed His mind." Since God never sins, He has no need of repentance. Some skeptics have pointed out that an omniscient God should never change His mind, since He always should know what was going to happen. In reality, God never changes His mind, but warns rebellious people to give them the opportunity to change their minds before He judges them. http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/does_god_repent.html
Do you feel sorry or regret when you do good to people? You only regret your actions and feel sorry after offending people and doing them bad. That according to the bible was what God did. He did bad and felt sorry (regretted his action).
If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you. Jeremiah 42:10
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? Amos 3:6
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.
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