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POPdecorator:
Before general election there were some xtians that was praying and fasting for GEJ bcs he's a xtian even in pastor E.O Adeboye auditorium and in gate of hell keeper(david oyedepo)church and upon that they also failed
and we muslims also prayed and ALLAH heard our voice and he answered us and xtian usually say there god is superior to My ALMIGTHY,ALLHEARER,ALLSEENER ALLAH and they are worshiping true,live and most answered god but why this happened
shey there god dey sleep during the election ni

wether u take it or not

#islamistheway

Allah is greater than the Christian God, yet it is the unbelievers that are ruling the world and controlling everything while muslims are constantly crying and begging? USA, China, Japan, Germany, Canada, Australia, Russia, France , Italy, Israel, Belgium etc. Israel alone has demolished the entire muslims in the middle east despite their constant and endless prayers to Allah to defeat them that remains unanswered. Muslims are second class citizens of the world when it comes to influence and might. The unbelievers are the ones that have been ruling the world through out recorded history. Allah and muslims have been relegated to the background if we are to go by history and the reality we see around us.

AAinEqGuinea:
I agree, but this event served only one purpose which was to antagonize Muslims. Those American lives can exist without offending people by drawing Muhammad, instead they were purposely pushing and then wondering why the middle eastern world hates the U.S. for the most part.

That freedom of speech cost lives in France and Denmark just this year alone. I hope these GI joes don't think we're invincible and untouchable

If Allah or Mohammad is ridiculed, Allah himself should destroy those that ridicule him and Mohammad his messenger. Muslims claim Allah is the creator and sustainer of all human life. He should destroy those that affront him by himself.

Why kill people because Mohammad was ridiculed?

plaetton:
Speaking for myself, I do not attack religion, any religion at all.
Now pay attention.
What I and many atheists do here on this public forum is mock and shame st.u.pid ideas, st.u.pi.d conducts being advertised by the mental slaves of religion.
The Abrahamic religions have been a terrible unending tragedy for Africa. This is fact.

The mental havoc, dumbing down of intelligence and IQ, and the exploitation of the masses by the rapacious self-appointed religious elite are self-evident and not should be ignored by anyone who cares about the future of the black race.

We do not attack people on account of their religious beliefs.
No.
we attack silly, childish and often dangerous ideas being peddled by religious fraudsters.

On the other hand, I find it amusing that every single hour of every single day, there are tens of thousands of religious priests mounting pulpits and TV screens to propagate falsehoods, abuse people of different faiths, curse and abuse unbelievers. But whenever an atheist anywhere raises his/her voice to repudiate any of the many lies and contradictions of religion, then the atheist is called the bigot or the militant atheist.
This shows the deep hypocrisy that is an inherent part of religious faith.

Anyone, believer or unbeliever, who comes in public forum to advance an idea, then that person or idea stands to be challenged, repudiated or mocked.
If your beliefs or worldview cannot hold up to scrutiny or critical analysis, then kindly keep it out of the public forum

It is really that simple.

Nothing needs to be added to this.

Abuamam:
You were the ones who first claimed that some Islamic rites resemble hindu rites. Now you say that hindu rites have nothing in common with Islam. Good. Then Islam is distant from paganism.

I didn't.

You claim Brahma has nothing in common with God. Ok. The hindus had 5000years to change their god's attributes. If you feel that hinduism has nothing in common with Islam, why did you memntion the circumnambulation of the Kaaba, previously? Make up your minds will you?

I did not mention circumnambulation.

You said you have asked me previously, why Jews are not Muslim. I must have answered then. Go back to the post and review what I said. It implies flightiness to have to ask the same question several times.

The answer you gave completely destroyed all the assertions you made.

Abuamam:
While I am not versed with Hindu scriptures, I shall start research insha Allah. Meanwhile, this might be interesting to read...

http://m.islamicbulletin.org/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.islamicbulletin.org%2Fnewsletters%2Fissue_19%2Fhindu.aspx#2807

Garbage from Islamic apologist websites.

Abuamam:
My statement was that IT IS VERY POSSIBLE that Hinduism is a corrupted form of Islam corrupted to an unrecognizable form as xtianity; and to a lesser extent; judaism were... still retaining some rites of the previous revealed faith of Islam in corrupted form. Now let us (not plural of trinity o) see what you people have to say.

You make me laugh. What is the original form of Hinduism which you claim could be Islam that was corrupted? Care to show us this original Hinduism that was corrupted or are you just making wild , inane and laughable speculations?

If you don't care, then don't ask. If you ask, then listen.
You have read all 3000years of written hindu history, in all different versions of Hinduism? You are a fraud. How would you know what aspects of Islam are written or not written therein? You know nothing about Hinduism and nothing about Islam, yet your comment claims authority over both... an expertise you just do not possess.

The Hindus scriptures just like the Koran also claims to to be the religious historical account of the Hindus, the Hindus scriptures furnish us with the history of the religion and its evolution, nothing in it comes close to Islam in mode of worship or attributes of its main God Brahama and the other lesser Gods.

Yes, all monotheistic religions had their inception in Islam. Monotheist submission to the Almighty's Will and Decree; aka Islam; is the one pure faith. It started with Adam (as). I understand that it is hard for you to accept; seeing as you will have to jettison all your propagandized beliefs of Jesus dying on a cross to cleanse your original sin; and that it will create a strong jolt to your feelings of cognitive disonance. But you are not forced into any belief. God has given humans free will to use wisely or unwisely.

You are deluded. Mohammad and his cronies wanted to form a new religion and what did they do? The picked up the already established religions around them worked within the already established religions and claimed that all those religions were distorted and false, they alone had the final revelation, true mode of worship and the right revelation. Mohammad and the founders of Islam were really clever, they just incorporated the practices of other religions, used most of their prophets, changed their identities and tweeked their stories a little then told the world that Mohammad was an illiterate because they knew that people will wonder why most of his stories were adopted from religions of old that were already in existence. If they claim and lie that Mohammad was an illiterate they believed it will give their claims more legitimacy. The only reason they said Mohammad was an illiterate was because he copied most of his stories from the Jews and Christians.

It is very possible that Brahma is another name for the Almighty as narrated by their prophets. It could also be another Name other than Brahma... I don't know, their scriptures are also unauthenticated, just like yours and even more so; since they are older. God Alone knows all His Names. Their prophets may be staring us in the face; but later became idolised and were worshipped as gods; just like the xtians did to the prophet Isa (as). In any case, knowledge of over a hundred thousand prophets' names has no beneficial influence over our ability to serve God.

The attributes of Brahama is very different to that of Allah. The Hindus were never Muslims and will never be. In the other thread I told you to explain to me why the Jews of today are not Muslims even though you claim that any monotheist is a Muslim. The Jews are staunch monotheist, why are they not Muslims?

EzioAuditore:
Sahih Muslim


Thabit b. Dahhak reported that he pledged allegiance to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) under the Tree, and verily the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) observed: He who took an oath of a religion other than Islam, in the state of being a liar, would became so, as he professed. He who killed himself with a thing would be tormented on the Day of Resurrection with that very thing. One is not obliged to offer votive offering of a thing which is not in his possession.

This can be found in which part of the Hindu scripture or religious history?

EzioAuditore:
But your god is a pedophile (who also shagged his mum/daughter) , your moses and his followers were pedophiles, judah was an incestous prick, your joseph was a pedophile and your jesus christ is a one eyed pagan god! When I'm done, I'll just blame it on the holy ghost!

So says the self confessed sadistic pyromaniac. Take it easy before you tie a bomb round your waist and head up to the closest assembly of infidels.

EzioAuditore:
I am saying that you are possibly ( I swear, I mean this honestly ) the dumbest kermunger I have ever met in my life.

Why did you say that?

EzioAuditore:
I was patiently reading this thread until I came across this bellend? Anyone who tells you your brain is functioning well is cheating you, mad man!

What is this self confessed sadistic pyromaniac saying?

Abuamam:
The prophet (saw) has told us that more than a hundred thousand prophets and messengers have been sent to individual communities of people. Their names are neither important nor beneficial, and I do not want to speculate. We know that initially, the Hindu religion was monotheistic, and the 'higher' class of brahmans still consider polytheism to be the religion of the lower classes.

Ref. Wikipedia on Hindu views on Monotheism .

I don't care what the prophet Mohammed said. I only care about what the reality is. We have over 3000 years of written Hindu religious history and nothing close to Islam is written in any of their religious scripture. We have the names of their gurus and all their Gods and Goddesses. Allah gets no mention anywhere in their thousands of years of written religious history. Are all monotheistic religions Muslims? Are the Jews of today Muslims? What about scientologist ? I am tired of muslims rigging the system and making false claims. What part of Hindu religious teaching claim that they knew anything about Allah? Who were the prophets that Allah sent to them? Why are they nameless? How come that over 3000 years of their written religious history Allah gets no mention in any part of their religion? Is Brahma the same deity as Allah?

Abuamam:
4. Xtian and jewish beliefs are in themselves, corruptions of the faiths taught by the prophets Jesus and Moses (pbut) respectively. The prophet (saw) was sent to correct the corrupted faith. We cannot say whether or not circumnambulation of any site was a part of those faiths or not. We cannot say if the version of Islam revealed to Moses mandated 5 daily prayers, though some verses in the OT seem to indicate that the Israelites seemed to perform rites that are very similar to the current Islamic salat. All we say is that each prophet, and there were thousands; was sent to his people with his own version of Islam, based on similar basic principles... ie Monotheism, and obedience to societal and spiritual laws revealed by Allah. So those prophets sent to the precursors of the Hindus, might have taught their people the circumnambulation as an act of monotheistic worship, and they kept the tradition, as Meccans did; after their prophets died and they had turned to idol worship.

Please csn you give us the name of any of the prophets that was sent to the Indians? Remember we have st least 4000 years of uninterrupted written history from the Indians and all the religions they have been practicing. Tell us the name of one of the prophets that eas sent by Allah to the Indians lets check and see if it agrees with their thousands of yeats of written history.

EzioAuditore:
This is the last time I will address this issue, you can accept it, or you can do whatever the f*ck you wanna do.

Allah says: "Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood/leech like substance), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of flesh bones, then We clothed the bones with flesh, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators." [23:14]


Dr. Keith Moore had earlier authored the book, 'The Developing Human'.After acquiring new knowledge from the QUR'AN, he wrote, in 1982, the 3rd edition of the same book, 'The Developing Human'. The book was the recipient of an award for the best medical book written by a single author. This book has been translated into several major languages of the world and is used as a textbook of embryology in the first year of medical studies.

I wanted to respond to you rejoinder in details but decided not to after I read this piece of lie I highlighted in bold. Here are the facts.

Dr Moore had completed his book years before. He did nothing new for this new edition which you claim he wrote after acquiring new knowledge from the Koran. Take the second and 3rd edition of the book and read, there is very little changes and he does not ascribe or give credit to the Koran anywhere in it. The “Islamic additions” are actually the work of an Abdul Majeed al-Zindani, so it alternates chapters of standard science with Zindani's "Islamic additions"

Dr. Joe Leigh Simpson, Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, at the Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, U.S.A., proclaims: "... these HADITHS, sayings of MUHAMMAD---sal Allahu alayhi wa sallam--- could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the writer (7th century). It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (ISLAM) but in fact religion (ISLAM) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... there exist statements in the QUR'AN shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the QUR'AN having been derived from GOD."

Dr Moore himself has said that the Koran echoes the works of Galen and Aristotle(when asked to comment on his work by the wall street journal), works that were written centuries before the Koran was written down.

[/quote]Here are some of Keith moores accolades:

The Queens Diamond Jubilee Medal was awarded to Dr. Moore in Barrie in 2012 [10]


Member of the Canadian Association of Anatomists since 1954; Former Secretary and later President

Member of the American Association of Anatomists since 1955

Consultant in Anatomy and Embryology, Honorary Attending Staff, Children’s Hospital, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada 1959–1976

Member of the Advisory Board of the journal Acta Cytologica 1960–1990.

Member of the Board of Consultants of the International Academy of Gynaecological Cytology since 1961

Member of the Senate of the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg Manitoba 1966–1976

Fellow of the International Academy of Cytology (FIAC) since 1968

Member of the Executive Committee of the Senate of the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg Manitoba 1970–1976

American Medical Writers Association Award for "excellence in medical publications as represented by his book "The Developing Human" 1974

American Medical Writers Association Awarded Honourable Mention for his book Clinically Oriented Anatomy 1981

Founding member of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists; Vice President and later President 1983

J.C.B. Grant Award, the highest honour given by the Canadian Association of Anatomists in recognition of "meritorious and outstanding scholarly accomplishments in the field of anatomical services" 1984

Fellow of the Royal Society of Medicine (FRSM) London England 1985

Associate Editor of the Clinical Anatomy Journal since 1986

Member of the National Board of Medical Examiners of the United States of America, the first Canadian to be appointed to this prestigious board. The certificate was presented "in appreciation of the valuable contribution to the work of the board and the preparation of examinations for American and Canadian Medical schools" 1988–1992

Member of the Federative International Committee on Anatomical Terminology for 20 years, the only Canadian ever appointed to this prestigious committee. The aim of this committee is "to present the official terminology of the anatomical sciences after consultation with all 55 members of the International Federation of Associations of Anatomy, thus insuring a democratic input to the terminology". The terms are translated into several languages so that all anatomists and doctors can use the recommended terms 1989–2009

American Medical Writers Association First Place Award for medical books in the Physicians Category as represented by the book Clinically Oriented Anatomy 1993

Honoured Member of the American Association of Clinical Anatomists (AACA), the highest honour given by the association for scholarship and service. The recognition is for "outstanding contributions to the field of Clinical Anatomy, epitomized by his many textbooks on clinically- oriented gross anatomy and embryology, and many years of dedicated service to the AACA and its journal, Clinical Anatomy" 1994.

Very Eminent Professor Award in Commemoration of 100 Years of Independence of Panama and the School of Medicine Panama City, Panama 2003 Fellow of the American Association of Anatomists . This Fellowship honours distinguished members who have demonstrated excellence in science and overall contributions to the medical sciences 2008.

The University of Costa Rica, Faculty of Medicine in San Jose designated Dr. Moore as a "Maestro De La Anatomia De America" 2008

Honoured Member of the Italian Society of Anatomy and Histology in recognition of his scientific and academic curriculum 2009

Awarded the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee Medal. The Medal is awarded to those who have made significant contributions and achievements in Canada. The medal was created to mark the celebrations of the 60th anniversary of Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II’s accession to the Throne as Queen of Canada, 2012

Non of these have anything to do with his work on Koranic embryology.

As for PZ Myers, he is just an atheist confrontationalist who wants to sEll his atheist ideas by any means necessary. He used to be a christian but like my prediction for all christians, he's now atheist, he is the same man who insults jesus and your christian God, do you agree with him? He is not an embryologist, he is an evolutionist trying to sell his idea.

Like I said, this is the last time I'm going to explain this to you, you can accept it or we can agree to disagree.

Ok, lets agree to disagree. I am just pointing out to you that the Islamic embryology you are parading is nothing different from what others like Galen and Aristotle wrote down long before the Koran was written.

malvisguy212:
God will not prevent disaster to those who reject Him, if God can scattered the children of isreal for sooo long whom he called his firstborn, How much more for those who reject him? National disaster is the reason sentient creatures like me and you exist.

When has your God prevented disaster among those who believe in him? Are believers better protected or suffer less harm than unbelievers? Is that what the reality we see around us shows?

johnydon22:
dalaman well done, have taught the boy a little lesson. . dont know why people wont read, they will read one shitty book and start yapping crap on nairaland. . disgracing the noble study of science

He came around beating his chest thinking he has something worthy to state. Now that his lies have been shown all he can do is result to insult and confess that he is a sadistic pyromaniac.

EzioAuditore:
Lol! Now he's bringing clay into the frame. Smh! Enjoy being a minger barmy loser in this world and the next! Mad men like you deserve to be pitied, but I don't pity you. Yeah! I guess when someone finally sees that he has no further points, the honourable thing would be to make a little noise then run way. I guess I'll allow that.

You have been making false allegations that you can't back up. Which award did Keith Moore win with his book on Koranic embryology? When will you stop telling lies for Allah?

EzioAuditore:
See the thing is I never really expected you to understand! Infact I didn't even want you to, do you think I'm doing this out of the goodness of my heart? Lol! I'm doing this out of spite, everything you wrote there has already been proved wrong, as far as I or any medical journal is concerned those steps are correct, infact keith moore won an award for a book he wrote on that, and that book was adopted by multiple schools, but like I said, I don't expect your tiny mind to understand! ]

What has been proven wrong? show me any embryology book that says the fetus is formed from clay into a blood cloth or leech and from that into a lump and from a lump into a bone which is then covered with flesh as stated in the Koran. Show it or remain a liar. Again show me what I have stated that is false. Which award did Keith Moore win for the book he wrote on Koranic embryology? Which universities in US or Europe use his books on Koranic embryology? He himself has ran away from his work when others challenged it. Keep deluding yourself. Just Google him and his work on that and see for yourself.

The atheist PZ bloke or what ever it is the dweeb calls himself a nobody in the field of embryology when confronted about his claims almost peed his pants, I mean what do you expect from an atheist? They are practically just people who never agree on or with anything. But you would know, like I said, everyy christian ends up an atheist, that's inevitable, atleast the smart ones are, you are not one yet because like I said you're a dimwit, face it, your whole religion is a man made fallacy, in other words its shiiit! Heck I'm counting on you being a prick because I don't want you to have an excuse because I am a sadistic pyromaniac and I want to see your ugly face burn for your ignorance.

When did PZ Myers pee in his pants when confronted? where can this false information be found? Google him and Hamza and see how he forced Hamza to change his position and run away. The video is on youtube. You are a sadistic pyromaniac? Enjoy being stupid. Goodbye.

EzioAuditore:
Lol! Force? Okay git! Now piss off!

When a fool losses an argument he begins to throw insults at others. Why are you angry? Because your Koranic embryology has been shown to be false? You copied the work of Dr Keith Moore a person that has since ran away from it when challenged. He has sinced dropped his work on the Koranic embryology And said it only echoes the works of Galean and Aristotle. When you find when a leech that turns into a lump that is later covered by bones and then flesh in any mordern medical book you can let us know . Until them stop trying to claim that what is written inside the Koran comes close to mordern embryology.

EzioAuditore:
Like I saaid, you've lost the plot, I can't keep trying to force one same thing into your tiny tiny mind. Go and find a new selling point or piss off!

Keep trying to force your lies? Well done.

EzioAuditore:
Are you an ankle biter? The same claims I used your own evidence to refute, now you're bringing them up again? Did you not admit by yourself that the leech looks like an embryo from a dorsal view? Are you going to deny it now? You're wasting my time here, but keep theses terms in mind, leech-like, foetus lump, the part about clay is another topic on its own. Don't @ me again unless you hvae something new or atleast remotely plausible!

Stop mixing things up together to cover your lies. The Koran says sperm is turned into a clot of blood which is then turned into a lump after completely negating the role of the ovum. It then says that the lump is them turned into bones and the bones is covered with flesh. Nothing like that is correct. The Koran is wrong simple. No amount of lies will save you.

EzioAuditore:
http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm and if you still have more questions, you know where to stick it, that's like saying you understand the Quran more than the muslims trained to interpret it which would confirm what I've already known, you've lost the plot!

Let us get this straight. Muslims have been using Dr. Keith L. Moore to lie over and over again. . .Here are the facts. Dr Moore does NOT agree with the Koran in any way. Dr. Moore is notable as the only embryologist directly quoted by Islamic sources in an attempt to prove embryology as described in the Qur'an is scientifically correct.

Dr. Moore is notable as the only embryologist directly quoted by Islamic sources in an attempt to prove embryology as described in the Qur'an is scientifically correct. In the 1980s he accepted an invitation by the Embryology Committee of King Abdulaziz University to produce a special 3rd edition of his most successful book "The Developing Human" specifically for use by Muslim students in Islamic Universities. He was financially patronized by the Saudi royal family for the use of his name, and for no real additional work.
The textbook he delivered to the Saudi Universities that commissioned the work is titled, "The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology with Islamic Additions."[4] The base textbook was work that Moore had completed years before. He did nothing new for this new edition. The “Islamic additions” are actually the work of an Abdul Majeed al-Zindani, so it alternates chapters of standard science with Zindani's "Islamic additions".


The result of Moore's and Zindani's collaboration is not an academic book and subsequent editions omit and contradict the "Islamic additions". Reverting back to his previous description, they basically admit that the embryology in the Qur'an is a repetition of Greek and Indian medicine[7]
For example, in 1986 he wrote that "The drop or nutfa [in Surah 23:13] has been interpreted as the sperm or spermatozoon, but a more meaningful interpretation would be the zygote which divides to form a blastocyst which is implanted in the uterus ("a place of rest"wink,"[8] but in the 8th edition of The Developing Human (published 2007), he writes that "Growth of science was slow during the medieval period... human beings [according to the Qur'an] are produced from a mixture of secretions from the male and female. Several references are made to the creation of a human being from a nutfa (small drop). It also states that the resulting organism settles in the womb like a seed, 6 days after its beginning."[9]
This shows that Moore's previous statements on embryology in the Qur'an were not based on science, but merely the result of patronage by the Saudi royal family.
J. Needham, a well known authority on the history of embryology and a reference cited in Keith Moore's books, has also dismissed embryology in the Qur'an as merely "a seventh-century echo of Aristotle and the Ayer-veda."[10]


Moore's current CV does not reflect any involvement with Islam, the Qur'an or Islamic embryology. It also omits mentioning the 3rd edition of The Developing Human and its connections to Islamic terrorists. Nor does he mention his lecture in Saudi Arabia or any of his Islam-related activities in Muslim-majority countries.
In 2002, Moore declined to be interviewed by the Wall Street Journal on the subject of his work on Islam, stating that "it's been ten or eleven years since I was involved in the Qur'an."[11]

Even Dr Moore himself has denied his involvement with the Koran. . .

The co writer of his book on Islamic embryology is an alleged terrorist. .

The co-writer of Moore's book is a leading militant Islamist named Abdul Majeed al-Zindani. He is the founder and head of the Iman University in Yemen, head of the Yemeni Muslim Brotherhood political movement and founder of the Commission on Scientific Signs in the Quran and Sunnah (one of the organizations that spearheaded Bucailleism), based in Saudi Arabia.[5]
Zindani served as a contact for Ansar al-Islam (Al), a Kurdish-based terrorist organization linked to al-Qaeda, has links to John Walker Lindh and Anwar al-Awlaki, and in 2004 the US Treasury Department published a press release stating that the United States had by executive order designated Zindani as a "Specially Designated Global Terrorist".[6]
Interestingly, the Acknowledgments for the book recognize a number of “distinguished scholars” who supported the book with time or money. And number 6 on the list is Saifullah Shaykh Osama bin Laden (Zindani had a long history of working with bin Laden, notably serving as one of his spiritual leaders).

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Dr._Keith_Moore_and_the_Islamic_Additions

Stop going to Islamic apologist sites and posting nonsense. Even Dr Moore himself simply sates that the Koran only echos the works of Aristotle and the Ayer-veda. There is nothing in the what is written in the Koran that comes close to modern day embryology.

EzioAuditore:
Have you ever heard of tafsir in your life? again! If you knew that, you wouldn't come over here with your tail between your legs making a fo*l out of yourself and your religion. Read the tafsir on this verse here http://www.islam-guide.com/ch1-1-a.htm and if you still have more questions, you know where to stick it, that's like saying you understand the Quran more than the muslims trained to interpret it which would confirm what I've already known, you've lost the plot!

You are deluded. The embryo is not made from clay, at no stage is a cloth of blood, at no stage does it resemble a leech. And finally at no point does the embryo develop bones that is later covered with flesh around it, bones and cartilages develop later when the embryo is already flesh. The Koran is wrong simple.

EzioAuditore:
What is the Arabic word used for clot of blood in that verse? Where does it say it clings only for a few days? Do you read the things you post here? You are utterly clueless! But now answer my first question!

I gave you 3 different translations that all translated the word as a cloth of blood. The forth translation you brought still translated the word as a cloth of blood. Provide one English translation of the Koran that translated the word as leech or remain quite.

EzioAuditore:
Lmao! Why did you ignore my other points? Liar liar pants on fire! The first part of the post states that the same word also meant a leech like substance does it not? Then this plonker evaded that part! Then he tried to twist the verses of the Quran to suit his claims, he almost got me then but again his lies were exposed and it did not works, again! Now he's running away and running into another subject, smh! Grow up!

Here it is once again. The Koran said that a cloth of blood is turned into a lump. At no point is the embryo a cloth of blood. You claim the the translators are wrong that the word means a leech because it clings. The question now is does this mean that the foetus only clings to the uterus wall for a few days? Obviously it remains attached for the entire nine months of gestation. You have been calling me a liar when you are the one that has been consistently lying, Point to any lie that I have made please.

EzioAuditore:
Do you speak English? Please, I need an honest answer! A leech like substance and a leech means the same thing to you? You've gone to the dogs!

You remain deluded no amount of gymnastic will save you today. The Koran said that a cloth of blood is turned into a lump. At no point is the embryo a cloth of blood. You claim the the translators are wrong that the word means a leech because it clings. The question now is does this mean that the foetus only clings to the uterus wall for a few days? Obviously it remains attached for the entire nine months of gestation.

Which ever way you look at it the Koran is wrong. It begins by saying that we created from essence of clay. What nonsense is that? Clay? Clay is a fine grained hydrous aluminum phyllosilicate; carbon, which is the element to consider in organic chemistry, is present as a contaminant, but the primary elements of clay are aluminum and silicon. It’s nothing like the composition of the human body. The writers of the Koran are clearly out of their depths. They don't know what they are saying.

EzioAuditore:
Lmao! Dude! Can you read? If you had read the first part you'd have read that AlAlaq was translated as either a cloth of Blood or a leech like substance, seen. It? Good! Here we're assuming al Alaq means a leech like substance, and like you said yourself, the leech does look like the foetus. You try to hide the truth, but! Read the highlighted part, since you decided to hide the flesh, tell me what a lump of foetus would be made of" you're looking at things objectively and you're not trying to understand therefore in the process you're making yourself look like a dimwit! Here's further reading on the meaning of al Alaq dweeb! Since you are to blind to see it!

Again you are deluded and the Koran is wrong, no amount of gymnastic will save you here. If you claim alaq is a leech then its definitely not a fetus and it doesn't make any sense. The translators of the Koran who understand Arabic more than all the people from your village translated it as "clot of congealed blood". The fetus is never a clot of blood at anytime. It clearly said a lump then the lump is turned into bones and the bones is covered by flesh. It never said a lump of flesh. The lump could be a lump of blood after all it says we turn the clot of congealed blood into a lump. Meaning the lump is a lump of blood Read it its there. Stop telling lies for Allah.

The linguistic definition of ′alaq علق (singular 'alaqah علقة) is "leech", "medicinal leech", "coagulated blood", "blood clot", [1] ′Alaq is also a derivative of 'alaqa which means "attached and hanging to something." [2] Professor Abdul Haleem mentions that "′alaq can also mean anything that clings: a clot of blood, a leech, even a lump of mud. All these meanings involve the basic idea of clinging or sticking."[3]

More thrash. The fetus is non of the nonsense written above. The fetus is never a clot of blood, a leech, even a lump of mud. Try another lie. The Koran is wrong.

EzioAuditore:
Lol! This plonker almost confused me, please read the original post and it says

Man WE did create From a quintessence (of clay); Then WE placed him As ( a drop of) sperm In a place of rest, firmly fixed; Then WE made the sperm Into a clot of congealed blood; Then of that clot WE made A (foetus) lump; then WE Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh; then WE developed Out of it another creature. So blessed be Allah, The Best to create!"

Let's just get things clear. The Koran neglects the role of the ovum, secondly at no point is the embryo a cloth of blood as the Koran says. It clearly says that the bones is made out of the lump and clothed with flesh. It is not like that in reality. Show me one scientific book that makes such a claim. The Koran is simply wrong.

Why did you have to lie? Is this what you resort to when you have no choice? There it clearly states that there was flesh before bones. Please refrain from lying in the future.

Where did it clearly states there was flesh before bones? Here it is again:

"Then of that clot WE made A (foetus) lump; then WE Made out of that lump Bones and clothed the bones With flesh; then WE developed Out of it another creature."

Where does it say there was flesh before bones? . You are clearly telling lies for Allah.

onetrack:
In any case, people living at that time would have seen miscarriages at various stages of pregnancy and so knowledge of what the developing fetus looked like would have been quite well known. There is absolutely nothing stated in the Quran that reflects any kind of miraculous knowledge.

In any case, Keith Moore refuses to confirm anything that he said all those years ago, preferring simply to say that it has been a while since he was involved with the Quran. Doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement to me.

Keith Moore has since ran away from the lies he told the muslims. Now he doesn't even want to talk about any Koranic embryology anymore.

EzioAuditore:
Muscles and bones develop simultaneously! And remember bones are lodged into muscles, so to me that is perfectly correct.

This is what the Koran says :

Then We created the seed into an embryo, then We created the embryo into a fetus, then We created the fetus into bone, then We covered the bone with flesh, then We brought forth a new creation. So glory be to God, the best of creators.

It clearly says that we create the fetus into bone and then we cover the fetus with flesh. Where does it mention muscles and bones developing simultaneously ? Are you now trying to tell lies fot Allah?

EzioAuditore:
Lola! It still does! And if a certain view of it looks like a leech, remember, 1400years ago.

1400 years ago the Koran says that bones appear before flesh. Now we know that to be false.

EzioAuditore:
Lol! It took you dweebs long enough! Muscles and bones are formed simultaneously, iyou can confirm that anywhere you want, which ever one is written first must be correct! you'd notice, the Quran did not say create, but still 1400years ago, who can boast of such knowledge!

I said the Koran is wrong, I gave you three scientific sources on embryology that says it is false and you are spewing more trash. The koran neglects the role of the ovum, secondly at no point is the embryo a cloth of blood as the koran says, and at no point does the embryo resemble a leech, the embryo with it yolk sac does not in any way resemble a leech. And finally at no point does the embryo develop bones that is later covered with flesh around it, bones and cartilages develop later when the embryo is already flesh. The Koran is simply WRONG. Provide a single scientific paper that supports you amd not some propaganda from muslim apologist websites.