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Misogynist2014:
Maybe you should try downloading a KJV bible, I even have one though not KJV on my Xpressmusic, therefore I think there is no excuse for spitting out ignorance. I think there is always Bible and Quran on android, you can even flash share it, or buy a bible, or even borrow one. Try reading the whole chapter or even the whole Text. Arguing while having little knowledge of a subject is very silly.

Simply show where heaven was mentioned in the verse.

Misogynist2014:
What do ye imagine against the LORD? he will make an utter end: affliction shall not rise
up the second time. Nahum 1:9

Affliction? Do you know what affliction mean? Where is heaven mentioned in this verse?

5minsmadness:
oh, now they are stories right. what is history if not a long long story of mankind?
i am talking of facts sir.

Which facts? Which date did Peter die and who killed him? Provide 3 independent sources from antiquity that supports this claim. There is history, myths and legend, the story of Jesus disciples dying for their faiths is mythology and legends.

Misogynist2014:
No

Satan rebelled against God in heaven according to the christian story.

5minsmadness:
Ok. Sure. that's why all of Jesus disciples preferred to die horrible deaths than deny Christ. because they wanted to propagate their man made idea. Gotcha.

Died horrible deaths according to stories written by others many, many years after they died in other to encourage the faiths of others right? Died horrible deaths indeed.

5minsmadness:
so if scientists can be wrong about evolution and even carbon dating, is it possible they can be wrong about the existence of GOD as well?

God is a man made idea and creation that is why there are many different Gods, Goddesses and religions.

muafrika:
I hope you guys will be recording. I am getting curious too.

Yes we'll do that. We will record and display it for all to see here on nairaland.

ghostofsparta:
Please quote where I typed so.

Ok, here is it.

ghostofsparta:
@FOLYKAZE

@pr0ton @DProDG @dalaman @johnydon22
An Osayin which can be configured for all you Atheists (provided you've be initiated into the Osayin) and at your own privacy, you will be communicating with the natural intelligent one on one, for instance it may even tell you when your girlfriend is about to approach your place. It can tell you there's danger ahead of where you are going,

Okay, I expect you'd go for the webcam to webcam handkerchief/bottle challenge since that would be more direct and can be video-recorded for documenting sake. If the hairless one is what it takes to convince you of paranormal forces, then let's do it. When I contact those in possession of the means to do this, I will let you know but in the meantime what will be needed for the completion of this test is your name, surname and the name of your biological mother which I will ask you to PM me when all is set. Comprende

We can do both the web cam stuff and the hairless thing as well. I am very ready. get in touch with me when ever you are ready.

ghostofsparta:
@dalaman, don't get me wrong...you don't need to be initiated to have a session with OSAYIN. Initiation is only required to be let into it mysteries despite I don't like to use the word mysteries, but you get what I mean.
As for my own test
Here is what I can do...
1. Upon the provision of certain personal information required to fulfill it, what you may call mumbo-jumbo will done remotely without meeting you such that by the time you who contends that there's no such things as the paranormal wakes up the next day, you find no hair on your body. Your location or address isn't among the three information needed for this.
2. If you are willing enough, a no-repercussion potion-based substance is offered for drink and the next morning as you wake, move outside of your house without speaking to anyone looking downward and you will see some cash meant for your spending.
If the above two challenges is too bizarre for the rational mind of you atheists, the webcam to webcam handkerchief/glassbottle challenge is still open.
Good morning.

You actually said the Osanyin can foretell future events that was why I came up with the election prediction test. It seems you don't want that.

The first option you have is very ok by me. I will go with that. I will drop my personal details to you and expect to wake up hairless the next day. Lets do this.

FOLYKAZE:
Ya I agree to take this but the stand is not and very shaky. Electoral prediction can be done without employing any spiritual process. Shifting the post to statistical model, each state result and general electoral outcome is giving the issue a resounding ground. And when results are out, it cant convince you cuz you and I know that I could do this without employing any Osanyin.

I dont know who you are. I dont know anything about you except this moniker. So come with issue that can outrightly convince you. Provide a very crucial issue which you personally say speak of and make judgement. Actually people would ask you if it is truth, and the answer is yours.

Electoral result can be easily dismissed. When you affirm the issue you brought if personal and convincing enough, you can speak for it and would be difficult to doubt.

What ya say?

The election result prediction is clear cut for me and will do for me. I will like you to give me an example of the second option you brought. Thanks.

FOLYKAZE:
From a possible winner to statistical model from 12 states again?

I am not sure I can do that. What is statistical model in yoruba? How am I going to express myself when this is suppose to be done in Yoruba language? You mean I should tell the consultant that I want statistical model from 12 states for this election. And you want an illierate priest to understand me or embarrass myself?

No no. It is winner or nothing on presidential election. Or we agree on something else. A very cruical and personal issue with which you would judge the outcome by yourself.

Yoruba spirituality is mostly importantly about inner self.

I did something like this with a self acclaimed Olokun priest. I provided my informations and asked him to tell me something. The self acclaimed priest bears Highpriest here on nairaland. People who are constant here knows him. And at the end, I flood him risking my identity. Thanks to the tsunami that hit nairaland, my info was flushed away. I am referring to make you know that I have risked it too.

What ya say?

I just gave the statistical model as an example others like Nate Silver use to make accurate predictions. I just want the priest to simply tell us which party will win the elections in the 12 states I listed as well as the presidential elections. Something that is very convincing and can not be attributed to luck or fluke.

FOLYKAZE:
Na pen.is I get bros. Lol.

Ghostofsparta pls let me do this. We need to put all this lot of talk and talk to a walk. At this we can arrive at something.

OP, I will do this at my convinent time cuz I wouldnt want it to conflict with my work. So I will choose between wed and sat days.

Also, this only has to do with mar 28 presidential result. Nothing more, nothing less.

Deal?

@ Ghost, you have the rest.

Why March 28 alone please? Humans are using statistical model to accurately predict the election results of 36 out of 37 states in the USA, why can't the Osanyi do same with just 12 states in Nigeria? I want us to be as accurate as possible. The presidential elections alone will not do because it is just one election. The margin of error is very low. Hope you understand what I am saying? I am an open minded skeptic that is only interested in the truth of the matter.

FOLYKAZE:
I will pick this up.

Only if Ghostofsparta gives me a go ahead.

Ok, Thank you

Ghostofsparta, you have been given a challenge, take it up or allow FOLYKAZE to take it up. You should do this, lets end this he said she said once and for all. This isn't a difficult task.

FOLYKAZE:
Apology accepted.

Ya I understand where you are driving at. You have a point there which I agree with.

But lets look at this way, are you not ask to consult Osanyin but on behalf of who? Himself or you?

Why dont you guy do this together?

Ghostofsparta said I have to be initiated into the Osanyi, I wouldn't want to do that. I just want us to test the effectiveness of the doll and the truth of the matter. That is all I want. You know where the doll is, you also have had a conversation with the doll as you said. Ghostofsparta claimed that the doll makes accurate predictions, you also claim the doll is an artificial intelligence doll. It should be able to accurately predict the election result of the states I listed and also the presidential election results if it is true. Go meet the doll and ask it to use what ever model it has and make its predictions. Publish it's predictions here for us all to see, when the final results of the election is published by INEC , we will compare and see, if it tally's then you have gotten a convert. It is that simple.

FOLYKAZE:
Liar you are.

Where did I say I have Osanyin?

If you really want to test efficancy of something, you dont do that on the internet.

Yes I have challenged many atheist here. I didnt come here because I think this is what Osanyin should be but because I had first hand experience with it. I conversed with it in a heart to heart talk. We chat about many things not at a sitting but many times. I asked questions and raised many pertinent issue about my life and philosophy to which I was answered. I didnt do this on the internet, I heard about Osanyin from people and I got one because I want to know it. I didnt ask those that inform me about it that they should provide photo or video or provide for us a video chat. It is not harming me so why should I be scared of gettng my fact?

So if I tell you here that I can cook a delicious soup here, will you ask me to post the video here so that you can buttress my claim? This would make you sound foolish. Real men that are concern about my stuff would meet me and I will cook for him.

For your info, I dont have Osanyin. I did my investigations with my time and money and found out this things are truth. If you are really interested, get your lazy a ss and do your own counter investigation. I can be of help if you are scare of going into shrine or give you directions so you get your first experience by yourself.

Why are you all worked up? I apologize for saying you have one. It was all a mix up, wanted saying you know a doll but mistakenly wrote you own one, but let us not dwell on that. If you truly know an Osayin and you claim to have had a chat with one, why not just go there chat with one and tell the doll to give you the election predictions that I outlined. Ghostofsparta should also take this challenge because he was more assertive than you. I don't need to do any investigation, I have given you a simple task, if you want me to take you seriously you should take up the challenge instead of bringing excuses. Osanyi chats with people and make predictions, if that is true it should predict the election outcome of the states I listed and the Presidential elections as well. It shouldn't be a difficult task for you. The burden of proof is on you not me, since you are the one making the claim.Take the challenge and prove that you aren't just making noise as usual.

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FOLYKAZE:
Are you writing a textbook or what?


You want to test efficancy of a thing on internet?

You aint serious yet.

Next

I knew it will be noise making as usual. You claim you have an artificial intelligence doll that can make predictions. You have been told to put your foot where your mouth is and all you can do is run away. When skeptics call your bluff you begin to complain. This challenge is very straight forward. Take it and shut us all up once and for all.

FOLYKAZE:
Oh Ghost. Did you tell this guy you are initiated to Osanyin cult and know how to build Osanyin?

And you wonder what, this guy is asking you to bring it here. How can one put something to a test without contact? How do we test efficancy of something on internet? They want you to come with a video so as to argue it is editted or manipulated to look like fact given evidence. The world is crazy.

OP, NO lot words. You guys have been challenged. Can you come out, have a conversation with Osanyin and prove it voice is from outside of it?

I just want to get to the truth of the matter. I am very very interested in the claim of the supernatural or African juju. I really want to test its effectiveness and see how true it is. I don't want any claims and counter claims. All i want is to see it at work because I am really interested in it. You guys are the ones making the claim so the burden of proof is on you guys. I just want to make this very simple for us. I asked you to tell me what exactly the Osanyi doll does but ghostofsparta came and answered. He said the Osanyi communicates and makes predictions. I Google Osanyi and a topic came up on nairaland where I saw you claim that the Osanyi doll is a form of artificial intelligence in your discussion with other members.

I want to give you guys a simple task. Since you are making positive claims about Osanyi which I do not believe or agree with , it is then up to you to prove your assertion. I want you and ghostofsparta to prove your case. I will give you guys a task to perform with the Osanyi and tell us the results here, if the Osanyi is real and true as you guys claim then you should be able to do this and prove we the skeptics wrong.

Here is a little preamble.

There is a guy in the United states called Nate Silver. He owns the FiveThirtyEight which a polling aggregation website. He is a statistician and pollster who takes polls and predicts the out come of election results in the united states. He does his polling and uses his statistics model to accurately predict the outcomes of elections in the United States. He very accurately predicted the 2012 USA presidential elections using his statistical model. For example he correctly predicted 36 of out the 37 governorship elections in the USA that took place in 2012. He used his model to accurately and perfectly predict not just the winner of the Presidential election but he correctly predicted the winner in each of the 50 states and the percentage of votes they will get. he accurately predicted the percentage of votes that President Obama will win and that of his rival Mitt Romney. He uses his statistical models to accurately predict election results. He is one of the most reliable pollsters in the USA. He isn't alone, there are other reputable Pollsters in the USA like Thomas Rasmussen, Drew Linzer, and Simon Jackman. These guys use their statistical models with the aid of computers to make very accurate election predictions.

Here is what I want you guys to do, since ghostofsparta claimed that Osanyin can not only talk but also tell me about future events like when my girl friend is going to come and visit me or if some kind danger is approaching me. I will like you guys to go and meet up the Osanyi doll or Osanyi priest and tell him to predict the out come of the 2015 Nigerian governorship elections in 12 states which I will list below. The Osanyi doll should tell you the party that will win and also the percentage of votes that each candidate will get in the votes that will be cast in the 12 states below.

1. Plateau state
2. Kaduna state
3. Rivers state
4. Ogun state
5. Adamawa state
6. Imo state
7. Lagos state
8. Taraba state
9. Kwara state
10.Benue state
11. Nassarawa state
12. Oyo state

The Osanyi should also predict who will win the presidential elections between President Jonathan and General Buhari .The doll should also predict and tell us the correct percentage of votes each of the presidential candidates will get from the votes that will be cast.

If you guys are serious and truly believe in what you are saying and not just making noise for noise making sake, then you guys should take this challenge and tell us about the predictions the Osanyin doll (which you called an artificial intelligence ) will make. If the dolls predictions come out to be accurate like that of Nate Silver and other pollsters in the USA then we will have no choice but to believe you. You have from now till March 26th to tell us about the predictions of the doll. Thank you.

ghostofsparta:
@pr0ton @DProDG @dalaman @johnydon22
An Osayin which can be configured for all you Atheists (provided you've be initiated into the Osayin) and at your own privacy, you will be communicating with the natural intelligent one on one, for instance it may even tell you when your girlfriend is about to approach your place. It can tell you there's danger ahead of where you are going, instead of you to examine if it is for real or ventriloquy based, you are relishing in the usage of western logic to debunk what you know nothing about, you guys think I wasn't like you before, okay let say the Osayin, A 512bit CHAPPiE-like non-mechanical robot that has multitude of purposes depending on how it is conceive is a hoax, how about a Shigidi? or Lukudi? Mind you, these energies has been existing even before the earliest documented history so don't bother googling the them because I'm certain it's likely you may read a skewed and incorrectly written article about them. Pr0ton, Seek the elders and do your researches.
ruly our Yoruba ancestors were the wisest.

A video of the Osanyi you are making all these incredible tales and assertion about was posted here. It says nothing about what you are alleging. Just a doll making sounds and a man claiming to interpret the sound it's making and claiming the doll is talking . Go make your own Osanyi with a verifiable claim and display it here for us all to see. That's how we all learn and accept things.

johnydon22:
surely..

If the ventriloquist was a Nigerian and owns a shrine some where in the bush, many will claim he has supernatural abilities and create many tales from his act and spread it like wild fire.

johnydon22:
Just watched the video.. just some dude squishing one instrument, takes a dry gin and gives some to some idol he carrys around then resumes the squishing... lmao.. nothing spirity..

The ventriloquist in the video below does a far better job than the Osanyi doll in my opinion.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IL357BrwK7c

Pr0ton:
@ghostofsparta

You call this thing of yours scientific. If that's the case it should be observable and experimentable. Science goes with theories like if I do this and that, this will happen. Yours too should have something of sort. Tell me do some stuff here and let me see the magic happen. No need of travelling far distance. In fact, the need of travelling in the first place has, to some extent, rendered it inauthentic. Like a guy said earlier, upload some videos to serve as proof. Why not give a try.

I went through one of the links the other guy shared and ghostofsparta was talking about how he saw people disappearing through walls and other incredible tales.

FOLYKAZE:
The plea by the JTF chairman did not go down well with the armed soldiers and in the ensuing confusion, the chairman of the civilian JTF was shot four times, but the soldiers missed their target.

A police inspector overseeing the gate of the shopping complex was hit on the nose by stray bullet and is now receiving medical attention at an undisclosed hospital.

http://newtelegraphonline.com/pandemonium-in-yola-as-soldierscivilian-jtf-clash/

Do you know what Ayeta is?

It is simply bullet deflecter. Yes this is real charm



do you know why the CJTF and hunters are doing well better than your well funded soldiers and big machines?

What is your conclusion?

CJTF doing better than the Nigerian military according to which report please? The civilian JTF also use guns, even with the CJTF Boko Haram has taken over territories where the members of the CJTF used to control and drove them away. The CJTF have record little successes but their sucesss is nothing compared to the gains made by the Nigerian military. Most of the gains against Boko Haram were recorded by the Nigerian military. The members of the Boko Haram sect use more charms than the members of the CJTF. Their dead bodies are covered with different charms. If the charms work then why are they been killed like flies now that the Nigerian government has have finally decided to crush them because the president finally realized that he will lose the election if he doesn't take a decisive step against the insurgents?

Below is a picture of the CJTF. They also use guns not African juju when fighting Boko Haram.

https://i1.wp.com/www.naijaurban.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/BOKO-HARAM-civilial-jtf-3.jpg?resize=500%2C287

FOLYKAZE:
i learnt that CJTF head was shot by the army and bullets could not penetrate into his body. The newspapers aired it.

Which news paper published this news please, can you post a link?

FOLYKAZE:
After watching this video:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anMEv923HRU

Ask from your locality what Osanyin is. Seek it and interrogate the talking doll Knight of atheism is scared of.


When you done with this, you can talk about next thing

What does this Osanyi do? Does it have supernatural powers?

Image123:
"any landlord can drive out his tenant and put who he wants", that is a fact. If you do not like your tenant for one reason or the other, you get him out and put in another that you think better. What is proper reason for removing a tenant? Many landlords simply say they want to use the place, or they inflate the rent money. What rubbish are you saying that humans don't act like that? God's reason was stated and well implied. The Canaanites were full of iniquity and God judged them and put in new people. He didn't just come, He waited for CENTURIES till their cup of iniquity was full. Their contract expired the first time they sinned, the wages of sin is death remember. Leaving them for centuries is merciful and a chance and possibility for repentance.
Gen 15:16 But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.
1Ki 21:26 And he did very abominably in following idols, according to all things as did the Amorites, whom the LORD cast out before the children of Israel.

Of course, you will ironically disagree that God created the land, but agree to what you perceive as evil that the Bible records God doing.

I told you that human beings do not act like that, remember God did not drive out the people by telling them to leave but commanded that they should be killed, in some cases they were to be burnt together with their animals. Do landlords kill people? Only psychotic people act that way.

Is captivity, hunger, deprivation right to you? You seem to have a problem to think that God sees them as wrong, so are they right? You did not answer that? What is a good kind of punishment, mention examples you would have employed in the cases you referred to. You did not answer that?

What do you mean by good punishment? Why should a child be punished for the wrong doings of his/her parents? There is no right punishment because the child is innocent and has done nothing wrong. Why should people be killed for worshiping other Gods? What is the right punishment for kids that mocked a prophet, I'll say some lashes will do instead of sending a bear to rip them apart and kill them. I said God encouraged the Jews to tell lies and steal from Egyptians, God told people to carry out rape and genocide, God killed babies for the alleged wrong doing of their parents. Are these good deeds? You should tell me.

i told you specifically and several times that being good is not primarily a function of good deeds. On this same thread, i recall asking at different times if Stalin will be a good person because of good deeds, you all dodged it. See here, here and here. This is the chief reason i have been stressing that good deeds alone do not make anyone good. i just showed you some of God's innumerable good deeds but you skipped them and are asking me about other things. Indirectly, you are saying what i have been saying since the start of thread; there is no human good. While you can reel out the good deeds of your neighbour or friend, i may also be privy to his bad deeds that you do not know. And all humans have them, for all have sinned and come short of God's glory. Being good is not primarily in the doing, it is a quality or nature called holiness. It is unattainable by human strength or good deeds. This is exemplified by the life of Jesus Christ who was declared a beloved Son in whom God was well pleased, right before He even did any of His numerous recorded and popular good deeds. He didn't get good or pleasing to God primarily by going about doing good, or healing the sick, or feeding the poor, or preaching, or sacrificial giving of His life. He was good because of the nature of God in Him, and of course that nature makes one do good deeds.

I said God does good and evil according to the bible. I have shown you many evil deeds that God did in the bible. The bible clearly has God doing evil and apologizing for it, but you try to spin it and say that God wasn't happy for punishing the people. No where did the bible say that, you are the one making it up. It never said God punished the people. The bible said God did evil realized he did evil and apologized for the evil he did. Punishment wasn't mentioned any where in the verse. Here it is once again.

"If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you.Jeremiah 42:10"

Image123:
Wow, i postponed replying this and almost forgot that i had not replied. You're funny you know? The earth belongs to God and He cannot be jealous of someone else using His stuff. The Canaanites did not own the land but God. God called Abraham(the father of the Jews) from Ur of the Chaldees and took him to a place(Canaan) that God promised him that his children/descendants will inherit. God drove the seven nations of Canaan out just like any landlord can drive out his tenant and put who he wants. Read Genesis 12v1-7.
Gen 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Humans do not act like that, when you try to humanize God he always all short. As a landlord I can not just come and drive out my tenants without proper reason. Notice must be given and contract must expire among other things. I disagree that God created the land because I believe in no God. What i the other people claim that it is their own God that created the land? I don't wanna go down that route but the bottom line is good humans do not act the way the God of the bible acts, a good you claim is all good.

Yes of course. God was sorry as He is not sadistic in punishing people. He is not happy to see anyone perish. It is not pleasant for people to be captives, or to suffer loss or hunger or deprivation. These are some of the punishments meted on the Israelites. Are they right to you? Is captivity, hunger, deprivation right to you? You seem to have a problem to think that God sees them as wrong, so are they right?
Punishment is not fun, but it is a necessary part of any society. Humans are governed by laws. Every normal city has laws, and law enforcement agencies, courts, offices and prisons. This is an essential part of a good place to live. i have told you several times that goodness is not a subset of good deeds, good is God's nature. If you want to see a list of God's goodness, read the Bible. i will mention three to help you. God provided food, water and light for the Israelites in the wilderness. God forgave sinners all their sins. God healed many sick people in the Bible. Those are three good deeds, happy now? What is a good kind of punishment, mention examples you would have employed in the cases you referred to.

God also killed many people in the bible, God sent a bear to tear down kids because they mocked his prophet, God encouraged the Jews to tell lies and steal from Egyptians, God told people to carry out rape and genocide, God killed babies for the alleged wrong doing of their parents. Are these good deeds? Punishing a child for the wrong doing of his parents is wrong. The child is simply innocent.

Image123:
No i do not think so or say so.

What then were you talking about?

i would not say 'wrong' in the context that you think, i would rather use the word "inappropriate". While it may not be wrong for me to somersault or be in my undies, it is inappropriate for me to somersault in the streets or in the banking hall. It is inappropriate for me to go to work in my undies, or attend a board meeting or a function that way. God has designated functions for everybody and there is some form of order in religious activity and worship. Women can do many things like teach fellow women, youths and children(who by the way usually make up more than 60% of a church gathering), they can do many other important activities like prayer, worship, singing, evangelism, writing books etc. It is an administrative policy thing, the women do not take up the work of the teacher or chief leader in CHURCH. It's a simple organisational structure. In some organisations, there are criteria, competencies, essential and desireable skills for each position. We don't call that discrimination or victimization. It's simply company policy or HR admin stuff. Teaching or heading a church are not as important as prayer, evangelism, having faith, living a powerful christian testimony for the world etc.

Why should women not teach men in church? What's wrong with that?

Is it a current thing? i ask because of proper context. God/the Bible was the first to abrogate slavery centuries before civilizations started considering it. The new Testament is very clear, that there is no jew or gentile or bond or free in Christ. No christian can purchase any foreigner because we are all one, and the blood of Jesus Christ has broken such middle wall of partition. So, no point asking Is this a good thing to do? It IS not even done. In fact, what we see today is entertainment and sports BUYING and SELLING people to different clubs and countries, and signing contracts. If your problem is with buying and selling, take it to the football clubs and the entertainers, not me.

No where in the bible was slavery abrogated.

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5)

Here we have the bible telling slaves to obey their earthly masters. No injunction was given to people telling them that slavery is wrong and should not be practiced no matter what.

Image123:
You are mixing issues and largely out of context. Worshipping other gods by who and in what context? What is sexism or stereotyping or discrimination. Are you aware of the FACT that the male is different from the female?

Men are different from women but are men better than women as human beings?


[quote]Are we discriminating by having different toilets and restrooms. Are you the man in/of your house or both of you? Is that discrimination?

Why is it wrong for women to teach men? Why must women be quite and not usurp the authority of men?

What is slavery, and in what context does the Bible support it? These are some of the context in which you should elaborate before making blanket statements.

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46)

Is this a good thing to do?

Image123:
Of course it is necessary that God is jealous in the context He claims to be. Truth has to be exclusive, and exclusivity demands that one be 'biased' to a particular view. Every other view becomes wrong in that context. You cannot serve God and other gods. 2+2 has to be 4. 4 retains the right to be jealous when you bring up another figure, because the truth is 4. The jealousy God is against is vain envy, not being content with your position or possession because you are coveting another person's position or possession. That is a wrong jealousy and the Bible tells us not to be. But you are 'jealous' and rightly so over your wife or husband, or children, or position. If you are the head or master of a place or office or establishment, and someone else is taking your place, of course you correct things, because it is yours. It is different from seeing somebody else's car or bank account or cloths and wanting to take it from them or becoming unhappy about it. Get the context right please. Children of God belong to God and have a covenant with God, and God will very well jealously guard that agreement and redemption and possession.

God as described in the bible displayed both type of jealousy. Remember he was jealous of the Canaanites because they were living in a land flowing with milk and honey while his own chosen people were roaming round the desert. He had to send his own chosen people out of jealousy to go and take the land of the others because it was flowing with milk and honey. Is land grab a good thing? Why not create their own land flowing with milk and honey for them?

God is a God of war and vengeance because He is Judge/law enforcement. Law enforcement is not child's play. It sometimes requires force, constraints, detention. These are not actions taken on lawful citizens or everybody but on offenders and defaulters and they have to be done. Justice is an essential and critical part of the human society, we are not animals. Punishment is not good, prison is not good, but these are necessary. The justice departments have to confine people, deny them of freedom and of access, and sometimes carry out capital punishment. That is justice and these are not exciting or joyful things to do. i do not like that any human being go to prison or be denied anything or fail an exam/test for instance. But these things have to happen. A lazy student will likely fail, even though the F grade is not good, and prison is not good. In the same vein, God realizes and sort of regrets these things. He is not sadistic about punishing people but there has to be justice and fairness, and a reaping of what you sow. So when you quote Jeremiah 42, read and know the full context, then ask questions. The children of Israel sinned severally and offended God for decades, and then God punished them. But He was not happy that He punished them, it is as straight as that in summary.

God clearly said he was apologized and said he was sorry for the evil he did against them. Meaning he knew his actions were wrong. He did not only apologize but also acknowledged that his actions were wrong. If God can apologize and acknowledge his wrong doing then why are you still insisting that his nature is pure goodness? You still haven't shown me any good deed he has done. Do you consider starving people to death a good kind of punishment? What about sending wild animals to kill people's kids? Is that a good kind of judgement? Will you do that as a judge? Do humans do that? Does Amos 4:9-12 describe a good judge or a sick person? If I commit treason against my country will it be right for my children to be killed as well for my wrong doing?

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Those are not diversionary actions but straight questions you refuse to answer. Your question required them for you to understand the answer. It you insist, what God did is good, yes. There has to be checks and balances, and punishment for wrong doing. God is the Judge in charge. Is judgment and justice good, yes.

Is killing other people for worshiping other Gods justice? Is sexism good? What about slavery? Is it a good thing?

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The nature of God portrayed in the bible is good and consistent, what you lack is perspective. The Judge or law enforcement can do things that civilians and co cannot and should not do.

Not true. God himself claims he is jealous in some parts of the bible. He also says he is a God of war and vengeance in some other parts. Are these good qualities? The nature of God as portrayed in the bible is haphazard and inconsistent. The bible has God clearly admitting that he did evil and apologized for the evil he did.

"If ye will still abide in this land, then will I build you, and not pull you down, and I will plant you, and not pluck you up: for I repent me of the evil that I have done unto you.Jeremiah 42:10"


If God whose nature is only good will be incapable of doing evil. No matter how you look at it, the bible doesn't support the picture of God you are trying to paint and sell.

The world as a whole has gotten much less violent. Study history and you'll discover that humans were brutal savages in the past.