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Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Need My Money? by dalaman: 11:09pm On Jun 16, 2015

Giving to God shows that God is needy. The God described in the bible doesn't sound as if he is all sufficient . The God portrayed in the bible sounds like a needy God.

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Family › Re: Help!!! Someone Is Molesting This Girl. by dalaman: 7:15pm On Jun 13, 2015

Tell the parents at your own PERIL.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheist- by dalaman: 10:27pm On Jun 11, 2015*

ZoranderGraeme:
If they were written during his time, what makes you think he'll allow them to lie about him or why will they need to on their own. These are people that went to battles they knew under circumstances they could never win, people who gave away their wealth for the good of islam, if they felt they needed to lie, shouldn't it tell them the religion is false? Besides, the prophet (SAW)says that whoever innovates or lies about him is not one of us, they have no reason to lie, and how can multiple sources report the same Hadith then? There are liars, but those liars when put under scrutiny always fail. You are just being speculative here, you or any historian have no reason to reject those claims or the Hadith. The Quran mentions Muhammad was illiterate, the Quran was written right from his time, but yet no one opposed that, and no non muslim source can say he is literate, I see no reason to reject these claims.

The people that wrote down the hadiths wrote them very long after Mohammad died, 200 years is enough to invent anything, remember they were trying to exalt Mohammad and make him look good and great, so they had to write down good things about him claiming he was God sent. There are no outside and neutral sources to corroborate anything they wrote down about Mohammad. Everything we know about Mohammad we know through Islamic sources, this can not be trusted because they were bias and were trying to sell Mohammad to the whole world as the last messenger of God. People tell lies for various reasons, it is not uncommon for people to tell lies that are detrimental to them.
So your assertion that the people gave away their wealth and fought battles is nothing new, remember that the early founders of Christianity were persecuted and many were killed for the faith, most of the apostles that founded Christianity lost their lives for the religion, even Paul was written to have been executed for his faith. Stephen was stoned to death for his belief in Jesus, others were executed for their faith according to the writings that were passed down to us, if we are to go by your analysis then Christianity must be true since most of its founding fathers not only lost their wealth but also lost their lives. Even some of the followers of Joseph Smith the founder of the Mormon religion were killed for their faiths, about 200 years ago. That is nothing new. It is not uncommon.

Nothing written by the people that wrote the hadith is to be believed because there are no outside sources to corroborate anything they wrote down. We all know they were trying to sell a man to the outside world. So nothing they write is to be taken seriously without outside corroboration. If you can provide non Islamic Arabic sources from the 6th to 8th that say that Mohammad was an illiterate then you'll have a case, but since you can't then nothing you say is to be taken seriously by objective observers.

The general consensus, be it salau or Wahhabi or sunni or any sect, is that Shias aren't complete muslims.

But the Shias do not agree that they are not complete Muslims. As long as they are concerned it is the other sects that are misguided.

Even though opinions matter, the theories range from it doesn't apply in modern days or that it's only applicable to those who instigate against islam, that's the most acceptable range, the minority who go out of this range are always questioned. There was a reason the punishment for apostasy was what it was back then and there is Sahih hadiths that prove Muhammad let an apostate live under circumstances. And you may not know this, but apostasy or its punishment is not as big a deal as you think to us.

This is what am getting at. Apostasy is a big issue in the Islamic world and there are different opinions with regards to that. I just gave you an example just to show you that opinions vary and there isn't a universal consensus on some issues when it comes to interpreting the Koran.

followers of the wahabbi movement follow wahabbi scholars. But what about their movement do you think is so far out of the box from what other muslims believe? It's just they are a bit stricter, like how all muslims believe in protecting women, but when Wahhabis try to engorce that they introduce strict laws like forbidding them from driving.

Yeah, but it still supports my point that there isn't a universally acceptable way the Koran needs to be interpreted that is why we have the Wahabbis movement, the Salafi movement and Ahl al-Hadith movement. They all differ in their view and interpretations. Some are more moderate than others. it isn't universal.

I did tell you directly or indirectly did I? You just confirmed that the Americans are puppets of the Jews. And all those atomic bombs you mentioned won't stop them from annihilation a if all Arab and Persian countries rise up against them? And you think Iran doesn't have atomic weapons? Saudis are planning on making theirs, the only reason they still don't have one is their location is sensitive, they have to be diplomatic, they don't want anything that will lead to sacrilege in holy cities, besides, it won't necessarily be muslims who will deck them, history shows that God has used multiple non muslim countries to do his will, he promised to continue piling history on the Jews and check out

All the Arab countries stood up against them but failed 3 times, they have tired it before when Israel was not half as strong and advanced as they are today but failed. Iran doesn't have any nuclear weapon, to have a nuclear weapon you will need to test it and there is no way they can test it without people knowing. Iran has no nuclear weapon, the Saudis lack the technology to create any nuclear weapon on their own. they will need the help of the western nations, a help they will never get. As long as reality is concerned there is nothing the Arab Muslims can do to the Jews, even if they have atomic bombs and use it to attack them they will also be completely destroyed because Israel has enough atomic bombs to level the entire Arab nations in the middle east, so all of them will lose out. Which actually doesn't make any sense. Muslims can only wish, but they can't do anything to the Jews in reality.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheist- by dalaman: 8:55am On Jun 11, 2015*

ZoranderGraeme:
Lol! Hadiths were passed down right from the prophets time, through oral or written means. There's a whole concept of verification of hadiths, mostly when things are reported through more than one reliable source, it's usually regarded as Sahih or true,

Hadiths were alleged to have been passed down during the prophets time. The hadiths were written by his companions who already have an agenda(Selling Mohammed as the last messenger of their God) besides all the hadiths were biased , they weren't neutral. You can not show me any 6th century Arab writing from a non Muslim writer or source about any Mohammad. No non Islamic Arab writer any where has anything to say about Mohammed being an illiterate, so that claim remains a Muslim claim that needs not be taken seriously. The sources are not reliable because they are not independent. The hadiths we have were written 200 years after Mohammad.

Debatable. Infact the general consensus is that they are not.

Who among them is not a Muslim? Sunni or Shia? And whose general consensus?

Tell me one major issue in which the schools of jurisprudence argue over.

Judicial views on apostates for example.

Disagreements between most Islamic sects is minor except Shias whose status as muslims is questionable.

Questionable according to who? You or them?

How can you disagree with them but accept their movement? Please explain.

I mean the wahhabis, have Muslims that disagree with them, and also have Muslims that agree with them.

It has been prophecised that the JEWS will become the world power, directly or indirectly, besides, the Middle East has enough arsenal to atleast level Israel before Anything happens. Maybe that's why the Kaaba will eventually be destroyed.

It's a wrong prophecy, the Jews can not become the world power and they have never been the world power at any time in history. The middle east has nothing to fight Israel with. All their fighter Jets and most of their arsenal are bought from the USA. if they try to fight Israel the USA will Immobilize all the fighter Jets. They will become non functional. The Israeli Air force has better and more fighter Jets than all the Arab Air force put together. They tried to obliterate them 3 times in the past and failed. Israel is the only country with atomic bombs in the middle east today. According to some estimates, they have between 600-800 atomic bombs enough to completely destroy and level the entire middle east Arab nations. The Arab nations know that reality supersedes their beliefs and will never try it. They can only act through agents like Hezbollah and the many Palestinian factions that will forever be routed by the Jews. So in reality there is nothing they can do to the Jews, they can only think wishfully.

Christianity Etc › Re: Life Is Meaningless Without Christ by dalaman: 8:31am On Jun 07, 2015

PastorOluT:
This life is meaningless without the true purpose which can only be found in Christ Jesus, so don't be deceived with the things that passes away with time losing your soul for eternity.
And the world is passing away, and the lust of it; but he that does the will of God abides forever.
1 John 1:17
Stay blessed and remain rapturable

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheist- by dalaman: 9:37pm On Jun 06, 2015*

No one challenged him of this claim during his time, the people who knew him acknowledge this. So it is true until proven otherwise which you can't!

This is actually not true. The hadiths were written about 200 years after Mohammad died. Everything we know about him was written long after he died from Islamic sources that had already dominated the Arabian peninsula. There are no writings about Mohammed from non Islamic sources during the time he was alive. All what we know about Muhammed and Islam we know it from Muslims and their biased views. You can not produce any independent writing from any Arabic non Islamic source that says anything about Mohammad when he was alive. You can only show Islamic writings about him that came very long after he died, so it is to be taken at face value. Nothing you have said is true, you are just repeating the Islamic claim.

No, Sunnis and Shias uses different sources for verification so how they interprete things cannot be the same way.

They are both Muslims aren't they?

No, when there's a standard view or interpretation agreed by all muslim scholars. Whoever goes against that and claims usage of the same source is definitely lacking in knowledge. Thousands or millions of heads are better than one. It's like when someone comes and tell op you that in degrees, 1+1=686.

There is no standard Islamic view that is why there are different schools of thought with regards to Islamic jurisprudence. If there is a standard Islamic interpretation of the Koran there will be no sects, no different Islamic movements and different schools of thoughts, their existence shows that there is no single standard of interpreting the Koran.

If their interpretations are not accepted then they're not respected.

Not respected by who? The Wahabbis for example have many followers that accept their movement and school of thought, they are dominant in Saudi Arabia, many disagree with them while many also accept their movement.

Example?

Shia vs Sunni conflict.

Then it seems The end of times are coming. All the atrocities the JEWS are committing in palestine, they'll get what's coming to them. But I'm sure whatever happens, the JEWS will bring it on to their selves. Like I said, we fight for our defense, so they are probably going to do something to really puss the muslim world off.

When it comes to Palestine, both the Jews and the Palestinians are culpable. There is nothing the Muslims in the world can do to the Jews. The entire Muslim army in the middle east have attacked them and failed. They now have nuclear weapons, even if the whole Arab armies have nuclear weapons they will only self destruct. They will just throw the weapons at each other and annihilate each other. If the Arab world gangs up against them the USA and other European powers will interfere and destroy the whole Muslim nation in the middle east. There is nothing the Islamic world can do to the Jews in reality. They can only fantasize about what is writing inside the hadith but they can never actualize it in reality.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheist- by dalaman: 8:56pm On Jun 06, 2015

KellamLeTorneau:
I can verify it, but you can't refute it.

"Neither did you (O Muhammad) read any book before it, nor did you write any book with your right [hand]. In that case, indeed, the followers of falsehood might have doubted Nay, it is but clear signs in the breasts of those endowed with knowledge: and none but the unjust reject Our signs."

The noble Qur'an, Al-Ankaboot(29):48-49.

You can't verify it, you are just repeating the claim as stated in the Koran. The Koran is just a book(religious) that some men wrote. That is all it is.

In Islam? sure there is.

There isn't. There are different schools of thoughts and movements in Islam. Sunni and Shia sects have different schools of thoughts under them.

Think of it this way. Take this an example I'm a person that goes around greeting people using a derogatory term, now when a stranger comes to town he interprets it as an insult but those who have the knowledge of who I am and how I live, will interprete it as my usual banter. So divergence comes from those with limited knowledge.

But every divergent view claims those that disagree and the ones with limited knowledge when it comes to Islam and other religions.

And not everyone's opinion is followed. You can't follow the opinion of a mad man.

There is no main and universally acceptable Islamic interpretation of the Koran. People are just left with the opinions of their clerics and scholars.

And yes different scholars interprete differently but amongst the learned ones and most regarded ones, even if they disagree, it's of a slight margin, take the four sunni schools as an example. Almost everything is the same. But it's of different scholars.

Some Whabbis are very well respected in the Islamic world, but many Muslims disagree with the Koranic interpretation of their movement same with the Salafi movement and Ahl al-Hadith movement. They all differ in their view and interpretations.

Driving will soon be legalized. Women can't go out or drive according to the Saudis because of their safety, if truly this is what they fear and they believe this is the best safety they can offer, every muslim will agree with that.

Yes, but I'm sure if that person is truly a muslim his interpretation won't be so far away that you'd think we're speaking of different things, again there is a standard, and there is always a meeting point where worldwide Islamic scholars agree, a compromise.

Really? That is not the reality we see. Some Muslims differ so much in their interpretation of the Koran and its traditions, that they sometimes fight and kill each other over it.

Please which Hadith? And no, again, things like Muhammads letter to the st Catherine's monastery and hadiths prove that islam can indeed live with people of other faith. But in our countries, it should be under our conditions.

Abu Hurayra (may Allah be pleased with him) narrates: “The Messenger of Allah said: ‘Judgment Day will not come unless Muslims fight the Jews. Muslims will defeat and kill Jews. The Jew will hide behind the stone and the tree, and the stone or tree will say: ‘Oh Muslim, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him! Only the Gharqad tree will not say because it is the tree of Jews.”

Christianity Etc › Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 6:32pm On Jun 06, 2015

malvisguy212:
correct me if am wrong, doesent this debunked evolution ?

I think it support evolution.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheist- by dalaman: 6:25pm On Jun 06, 2015*

KellamLeTorneau:
You said the fact that Muhammad was an illiterate is a claim?

Sure, it is a claim because neither you or me can verify it.

Yes, and there's a standard way of interpretation using Hadith and other sources and the circumstance the verse was revealed under. It's a very delicate study, not every can interprete the Quran, just because you can translate doesn't mean you have the knowledge to interprete.

There is no standard way of interpreting anything, if there were there will be no divergence of opinion in the Islamic world. Most interpretations are done based mostly on the opinion of who ever is interpreting it. Different Imams and scholars have interpreted many things differently. Lets take a look at Saudi Arabia for example Scholars and Clerics in Saudi Arabi use their own personal interpretation of the Koran according to them to ban women from driving, scholars and clerics from other Arab and Islamic countries disagree with them and allow women to drive in their own countries.

The Prophet (saw) warns that whoever makes up or innovates in Islam is not one of us. People who innovate or translate in accordance with their twisted beliefs are therefore not muslims. Also, read:
On the authority of Abu 'Abdullah al-Nu'man bin Bashir (ra) who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah(sas) say:

"The halal is clear and the haram is clear, and between them are matters unclear that are unknown to most people. Whoever is wary of these unclear matters has absolved his religion and honor. And whoever indulges in them has indulged in the haram. It is like a shepherd who herds his sheep too close to preserved sanctuary, and they will eventually graze in it. Every king has a sanctuary, and the sanctuary of Allah is what He has made haram. There lies within the body a piece of flesh (the heart). If it is sound, the whole body is sound; and if it is corrupted, the whole body is corrupted. Verily this piece is the heart."
[Bukhari & Muslim]

Yes, you quoted a translation whilst I was interpreting.

You are just giving me your own opinion. If another Muslim is asked to interpret it, his own interpretation will be different from yours.

You can't interprete the verse about killing the people of the book in that sense because other sources like the Hadith prove that's not what it means, considering the prophet lived peacefully with them and his Neighbour was a Jew. And just because they have the power and number doesn't mean they will win just like the battle of Badr proves. Again part of islams uniqueness is that we don't make up stuff, just like other religions are becoming tolerant of faggotry we can never be, we don't change our laws and that is probably why everyone hates us. Why change the laws of God because of the laws of man?

Change the laws of which God? Where you there when God was issuing the laws or are you taking what other men told you at face value? Muslims are changing their laws. The Prophet according to the Hadiths also said that the world will not end until Muslims fight the Jews. The Muslims in the middle east tried it and lost many times. If they try again they will all self destruct. Many Muslims are trying ti reinterpret that Hadith. You don't need to tolerate gays. But most of the war verses have been reinterpreted by Muslim scholars and clerics because they know that it is impossible to fight and win the non Muslims in todays world.

Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheist- by dalaman: 4:26pm On Jun 06, 2015

KellamLeTorneau:
Really? How is that a claim? What other evidence do you have to prove he isn't. That is a fact.

What are you talking about?

There are different translations of the Quran and there are also different interpretations. Verses have to be translated then interpreted to understand how it applies to our lives. So if I choose to interpret it that way, how can you prove it wasn't supposed to be interpreted that way?

This proves my point exactly that the Koran is just a book written by men as such men will have to translate it differently and interpret it differently as well. Nothing in the Koran suggest it is divine in anyway. Based on the majority of other translations we can see that it was not even talking about the moon reflecting the light of the sun. The translation you used seem to be an outlier and hence it should be discarded since it goes far off from majority of the other translations. I can't prove that it is not supposed to be interpreted in a particular way because like everything in religion, you guys just keep making things up and giving it your own personal interpretations. It can clearly be seen from the different translations that the people are translating it according to their own wishes and making it agree with their own opinions.

That's your atheist opinion and MIS interpretation, there's a difference between translation and interpretation. E.g there are verses that say kill the christians and Jews, that is the translation, but the interpretation is an entirely different thing.

I didn't translate those verses, I only showed you what other translations have stated and it comes nothing close to the moon reflecting the light of the sun. It says nothing like that. As for the part about Muslims killing Jews and Christians the actual verse might truly mean that Muslims are to kill the Jews and Christians but the Muslims living today will have to interpret it differently, because they know that killing Jews and Christians is impossible. If they try it there will be no Muslim on earth today. So they will have to re-translate it or re-interpret it to suit the realities on ground. Making things as you go is the life blood of all religions, that is why there are many different sects and many different interpretations because everything is always based on the opinion of others. Like any man made thing there is no universally accepted interpretation of anything, it always differs.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheist- by dalaman: 3:45pm On Jun 06, 2015

KellamLeTorneau:
No it wasn't known, the had a theory like many others did, but how did Muhammad the illiterate who couldn't read or write stumble upon the right one? The Quran also mentions how stars are like lamps.

It only remains a claim that Mohammed was an illiterate but that aside. It was known by the ancient Greeks, so it wasn't a new knowledge. I just went through some other translations and discovered that most translations are actually different from the one he used. Based on majority of translations it can be clearly seen that the verse has nothing to do with the moon reflecting the light of the sun.

Sahih International

By the sun and its brightness, And [by] the moon when it follows it. And [by] the day when it displays it Quran, 91:1-3

Yusuf Ali
By the Sun and his (glorious) splendour; By the Moon as she follows him; By the Day as it shows up (the Sun's) glory;

Shakir
I swear by the sun and its brilliance, And the day when it shows it, By the day when it glorifieth him.

Daryabadi

By the sun and his morning bright-ness, By the moon, when she followeth him, By the day when it glorifieth him.

Wahiduddin Khan
By the sun and its rising brightness, and by the moon as it follows it, and by the day as it reveals its glory

It we are to go by majority of the translations the Koran does not even say anything about the moon reflecting it's light.

But yet it has all the right theories. How?

Which right theories? Based on other translation we can conclude that Niak was just trying to be fraudulent. Because majority of translations do not say anything about the moon reflecting the light of the sun in anyway.

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheist- by dalaman: 3:03pm On Jun 06, 2015*

KellamLeTorneau:
Again the Greeks had a theory, so did many others, but the Quran picked this 1400 years ago. Again what is the probability? If you combine the probability of the Quran picking the correct theories in all these aspects I'm sure it's..... I don't even want to do the math.

It was known to the Greeks over thousand of years before the Koran was written. The ancient Greeks went as far as knowing that the stars were distant suns. They knew that moon reflects the light from the sun and wrote it down over a thousand years before it was mentioned in the Koran, I bet we should all go and start worshiping the Greek Gods for their wonderful revelations.

Like he said, the Quran is a book of facts, not of science.

Facts that others already know? There is no new knowledge or revealed fact about anything that is found in the Koran, so I wonder what makes it special, everything it talks about others knew it already.

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Christianity Etc › Re: A short History Of God by dalaman: 2:43pm On Jun 06, 2015

johnydon22:
Allah waited 1.7k years ago to show face... took some drunk middle aged sun fried arab man into the cave, gave him some randy revelations and threats to unbelievers then tadaaaaa.. !!!

Told him that all other religions are false. He alone is his last messenger. All others were from him but their followers corrupted his message and on and on.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 2:30pm On Jun 06, 2015

malvisguy212:
I ask you a question and you reply it with a question? Because I don't want to prolonged the argument that why I accept your explanation of the claimed of this gods, there are many question that if I ask you, gradually you will notice the lies of this gods, so pleased can you answer the question I ask first?

I have told you already. According to the Hindu story of creation Brahama created humans. He didn't create two people like Adam and Eve. He created a group of humans. That seems to be supported scientifically. DNA analysis have shown that we descended from a group of humans not from one man and woman. But from a group.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 10:03am On Jun 06, 2015

malvisguy212:
good of you to bring this up, now the next thing you will do to know if the claimed of this gods are true is this; which people did this gods created first and see if it historical accurate.

Now that I have shown you I hope you will desist from making your false claims.They created humans according to the creation account, and that is true. Which people did your own God create first and how historically accurate is what was written inside the bible?

Christianity Etc › Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 9:45am On Jun 06, 2015

malvisguy212:
I told you to bring the proof of their claimed which you couldn't.

The Hymn of Creation
Another attempt at explaining the creation of the universe is found in the Hymn of Creation in the Rig Veda:
Then was neither non-existence nor existence: there was no realm of air, no sky beyond it.
Death was not then, nor was there anything immortal: no sign was there, the Day’s and Night’s divider.
Darkness there was: at first concealed in darkness this All was indiscriminated chaos. All that existed then was void and formless: by the great power of Warmth was born that One.
In the Chandogya Upanishad it says that in the beginning was the Brahman, and through heaven, the earth, and the atmosphere and the three seasons of summer, rains, and harvest he produced the entire universe.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/gcsebitesize/rs/environment/hinduismbeliefsrev1.shtml

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Christianity Etc › Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 9:36am On Jun 06, 2015

malvisguy212:
and I repeat,other's gods also claimed they are the first AMONG the creation BUT none claimed to exist BEFORE the world began.

Why do you keep repeating this LIE? I told you to read about the Hindu creation story and see how Brahma was existing before all creations. Stop repeating this lie over and over again.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 9:41pm On Jun 05, 2015

KingEbukasBlog:
Prayer is communication and Jesus praying is submission to God's will

But Jesus is God. So Jesus is submitting to his will.

Christianity Etc › Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 8:44pm On Jun 05, 2015

malvisguy212:
you don't know anything about Hindu so you don't have to make case for their gods.
your first claimed was "proved that only one God created the universe" and not about the proof of God existence. And I say ONLY ONE God claimed to have exist before the world began.

Brahma also claimed to have existed before the world began, please read a little about Hindu creation account. Brahma was in existence before the world was created afterwards by him.

Jesus pray does not mean God pray to himself.
1. Jesus has two natures -- He is God
and man.
2. Each nature is full and complete --
He is fully God and fully man.
3. Each nature remains distinct.
4. Christ is only one Person.
5. Things that are true of only one
nature are nonetheless true of the
Person of Christ.

The truths of Christ's two natures full
manhood and full Godhood are pretty
well understood and known by Christians. But for a right understanding
of the Incarnation we must go even
further. We must understand that the
two natures of Christ remain distinct and retain their own properties. What does this mean? Two things: (1) They do not alter one another's essential properties, and (2) neither do they mix together into a mysterious third kind of nature. So when Jesus(human nature) pray, He pray to God.

What's the meaning of all this word salad. Jesus is God and he prayed to himself as a man. So Jesus prayed to himself.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 6:22pm On Jun 05, 2015

malvisguy212:
can you provide the evidence of this Hindu god? Go find out the meaning of prayer.

I am not a Hindu so I can't provide evidence to show that Brahma is real, where is your own evidence to show that Yahweh is real?

Jesus pray because He is human.Jesus has two nature, fully God and fully man. God possessed the body of Jesus but the bible never say God override his human nature. Whenever Jesus pray or reffere himself as "son of man" it was his human nature.

Jesus is fully God as you said , so that means he prayed to himself. QED.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 5:46pm On Jun 05, 2015

malvisguy212:
on many occasion the quran indicate Allah is praying, to whom did he pray to? I created a thread about this and they deleted it. Infacte the quran does not say Allah exist before the world was.

I need to see the claimed of the rest gods to know if they are suitable for the first caused, as in now, only the bible God made such claimed, he exist before the world began.even Jesus say he share the glory with the father before the world began.

The Hindu creation story obviously states the same thing, it says Brahma existed before the world began. So what if Allah is praying to himself? Didn't Jesus whom you consider to be God also pray to himself in the bible?

Christianity Etc › Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 5:31pm On Jun 05, 2015

malvisguy212:
The author of this epistle (letter) is James, also called James the Just, who is thought to be the brother of Jesus Christ ( Matthew 13:55; Mark 6:3). James was not a believer (John 7:3-5) until after the resurrection (Acts 1:14; 1 Corinthians 15:7; Galatians 1:19). He became the head of the Jerusalem church and is mentioned first as a pillar of the church ( Galatians 2:9).

Stop being disingenuous. Here is it in its entirety

Authorship[edit]
The writer calls himself simply "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ."[Jas 1:1] Jesus had two apostles named James, but it is unlikely that either of these wrote the letter. One apostle, James, the son of Zebedee, was martyred about 44 AD.[6] This would be very early for him to have been the writer. The other apostle James, the son of Alphaeus, is not prominent in the Scriptural record, and very little is known about him.

Rather, evidence points to James the brother of Jesus, to whom Jesus evidently had made a special appearance after his resurrection described in the New Testament. This James was prominent among the disciples.[7][8] The writer of the letter of James identifies himself as "a slave of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ", in much the same way as did Jude, who introduced the Epistle of Jude by calling himself "a slave of Jesus Christ, but a brother of James". (Jas 1:1; Jude 1) Furthermore, the salutation of James’ letter includes the term “Greetings!” in the same way as did the letter concerning circumcision that was sent to the congregations. In this latter instance it was apparently Jesus’ brother James who spoke prominently in the assembly of "the apostles and the older men" at Jerusalem.[9]

From the middle of the 3rd century, patristic authors cited the Epistle as written by James the Just, a relation of Jesus and first Bishop of Jerusalem.[4] Not numbered among the Twelve Apostles, unless he is identified as James the Less,[10] James was nonetheless a very important figure: Paul described him as "the brother of the Lord" in Galatians 1:19 and as one of the three "pillars of the Church" in 2:9. He is traditionally considered the first of the Seventy Disciples. John Calvin and others suggested that the author was the Apostle James, son of Alphaeus, who was often identified with James the Just. If written by James the Just, the place and time of the writing of the epistle would be Jerusalem, where James resided before his martyrdom in 62.

The Protestant reformer Martin Luther denied it was the work of an apostle and termed it an "epistle of straw"[11] as compared to some other books in the New Testament, not least because of the conflict he thought it raised with Paul on the doctrine of justification (see below).

Many scholars consider the epistle to be written in the late 1st or early 2nd centuries. Among the reasons for this are:[12]

the author introduces himself merely as "a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ", without invoking any special family relationship to Jesus.
the cultured Greek language of the Epistle, it is contended, could not have been written by a Jerusalemite Jew. Some scholars argue for a primitive version of the letter composed by James and then later polished by another writer.[13]
the epistle was only gradually accepted into the canon of the New Testament.
Some see parallels between James and 1 Peter, 1 Clement, and the Shepherd of Hermas and take this to reflect the socio-economic situation Christians were dealing with in the late 1st or early 2nd century. It thus could have been written anywhere in the Empire where Christians spoke Greek. There are some scholars who argued for Syria.[13]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_of_James#Authorship

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Christianity Etc › Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 5:27pm On Jun 05, 2015

malvisguy212:
the bible say God was acting before the world was. Which other god make such claimed?

Acting where? Must any other God say the same thing? The Koran also said that Allah created the universe. All these are claims. Where is your incontrovertible evidence to show that the God of the bible alone created the universe and not Allah or Brahma?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Thanking God Is Ridiculous - - Imoh Ezekiel by dalaman: 5:25pm On Jun 05, 2015

lastmessenger:
Thats why he gave you the wisdom to form the police,army and the rest.if the police and the other armed forces fail to do their work,how is that Gods fault?

Where in the bible did God say that it is the duty of the police and army to provide you protection? God himself promised to protect his own. It is written in the bible that even though I pass through the valley of the shadow of death I shall feasr no evil for thou are with me, thy staff will protect me and on and on it goes.

Here are a few verses that talk about God personally protecting believers.

Psalm 46:1 God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.

Psalm 121:7-8 The LORD will keep you from all evil; he will keep your life. 8 The LORD will keep your going out and your coming in from this time forth and forevermore.

2Timothy 4:18 The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed and bring me safely into his heavenly kingdom. To him be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

1John 5:18 We know that everyone who has been born of God does not keep on sinning, but he who was born of God protects him, and the evil one does not touch him.

Psalm 138:7 Though I walk in the midst of trouble, you preserve my life; you stretch out your hand against the wrath of my enemies, and your right hand delivers me.

If you know any verse in the bible that tells you that the police or army will offer better protection than God then please bring it on lets see it. Until then I believe that you really do not believe in what the bible actually says about God protecting those that believe in him.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 5:16pm On Jun 05, 2015

malvisguy212:
so what your points?from the link you paste:
The writer of the letter of
James identifies himself as "a slave of
God and of the Lord Jesus Christ", in
much the same way as did Jude, who
introduced the Epistle of Jude by calling
himself "a slave of Jesus Christ, but a
brother of James". (Jas 1:1; Jude 1)
Furthermore, the salutation of James’
letter includes the term “Greetings!” in
the same way as did the letter
concerning circumcision that was sent to
the congregations. In this latter instance
it was apparently Jesus’ brother James
who spoke prominently in the assembly
of "the apostles and the older men" at
Jerusalem.

James and Jude was brother, agreed? According to you, which christians wrote it? Because the link you paste indicate there was disagreement between the author, so how do you draw the conclusion it was christians that wrote it? The link even indicate it was between James the brother of Jesus and the other disciple also called James or Jude and his brother James.

Why are you being disingenuous? Why are you only copying and pasting the parts that you agree with? What does the link say about the authorship of the book of James?

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Christianity Etc › Re: The Atheist- by dalaman: 5:14pm On Jun 05, 2015

Childish talk.

Christianity Etc › Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 4:40pm On Jun 05, 2015

malvisguy212:
no prove?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_of_James

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_of_Jude

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Thanking God Is Ridiculous - - Imoh Ezekiel by dalaman: 2:03pm On Jun 05, 2015

lastmessenger:
Is being lazy and careless a bad thing?

How does God protecting humans equate to being lazy and careless. Didn't he promise to protect and guide his own?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Thanking God Is Ridiculous - - Imoh Ezekiel by dalaman: 1:22pm On Jun 05, 2015

lastmessenger:
And when God does that the policemen will go home and be sleeping.

Is that a bad thing?

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Christianity Etc › Re: Why Thanking God Is Ridiculous - - Imoh Ezekiel by dalaman: 12:18pm On Jun 05, 2015

lastmessenger:
Blaming God for the wickedness of man.
Next topic

Isn't God supposed to protect his own against evil men?

Christianity Etc › Re: Africa, Foreign Religions And Cultural Genocide. by dalaman: 12:17pm On Jun 05, 2015

Joshthefirst:
Atheism is cultural actually. You had a belief in God until you were lied to.

We're all taught different things, but we come in contact with the truth at some points in our lives.

You are a christian only because you were born into the religion and indoctrinated into its theology. If you were born to a Hindu family in India and went through the same systematic indoctrination you would have been talking about the truth of Hinduism. You know no truth, you know know what you have been indoctrinated with.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Agnostics,atheists And Others Religion. Pleased Read!!! by dalaman: 2:50am On Jun 05, 2015

MeandSum:
Paul never met Jesus. He never did. period! Mathew, that wrote the first book of the new testament never met Jesus. He is basically retelling the stories from Mark and didn't meet Jesus. The writer of Mark is not the same as Mark the Evangelist.The writer of Luke is not the same as Luke the Evangelist. All those books were written 30 to 80 years after Jesus. The only books in the bible possibly written by someone who knew or met Jesus is James, written by Jesus's younger brother James, and his And Jesus's 3rd brother Jude. that's it.

The books of James and Jude were both written in the 2nd Century by Christians and not the brothers of Jesus. Authorship was given to those names but they never wrote down those books.

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