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Expect them to tell you that we have free will and that God doesn't want to interfere with our free will. Some will just tell you that God's ways are not the same with ours, all kinds of excuses will be giving to adsorb God of his supposed responsibilities.

UyiIredia:
Yeah, just like Christianity and yet Brahma is the Creator God.





No, a single Creator God means all the lesser deities owe their existence to God and are subject to His will. You ignore that and foolishly wave aside the importance of numbers to my point that God is generally understood as A Creator God.

A big God using smaller Gods to create means , many entities created,(Like the Hindus believe) you are yet to show that only single entity like created the universe. By the way, the bible tells us how it's God supposedly created the universe, same with the Koran. Science has shown that the creation account in the bible for example is false. Christians now say it is an allegory. If the creation account in the bible is false why should any body believe anything else it says? Or accept that the God it talks about created the universe when we have him lying about how the universe came about in the bible?

UyiIredia:
I didn't say Occam's razor replace superstitions. I said Occam's razor was justified by their replacement_with better knowledge as you say. The definition of God I give is present in lots of dictionaries, did you conveniently forget that ?

Name one religion in which Gods (by which I understand many omniscient, omnipresent and omnipotent beings) made the universe.

Hinduism. Brahma is a 3 in one God. other Gods are Vishnu and Shiva, whom are lesser Gods Brahma uses.

He is in and Christianity, Islam and Judaism which together constitute at least half of the world's population. Hinduism also involves a belief in a Creator God (or Brahman). I think you need to read up on so-called polytheistic religions. Many of them for example Ifa religion (which I'm familiar with) actually believe in a SINGLE Creator God who acts through lesser deities.

It is not by numbers, we don't need to dwell on how many but on how true. The God concepts by be monotheistic but they are all different concepts. A single creator that acts through lesser deities still means they all came together and created, some polytheistic religions believe in one Big God and other smaller Gods that carry out the duty of the bigger God.

UyiIredia:
Wrong. In numerous examples where scientific explanations has replaced religious superstitions on various phenomena (eg thunder, death of sickle-cellers etc) Occam's razor has been justified. There can't be a hierarchy where Gods still remain God, to be God you must be subject to no one else as an all-powerful being. However there can be a hierarchy of lesser gods with or without God.

Oscam razor alone wasn't used to replace religious superstitions but better and demonstrable knowledge. You are giving me YOUR OWN definition of God and trying to make it binding. God cam simply refer to supreme being or beings. Many people believe in supreme powerful Gods that came together to create the universe. You are yet to provide evidence to show that the universe was created by only one God. You are only stating it.

If you find it had to believe an obvious fact, in this case, God being generally understood as the universe's Creator your ability to adequately comprehend arguments should be doubted.

God isn't universally understood to be the universe's Creator. Many others believe that many powerful Gods created the universe. You are yet to counter that with incontrovertible evidence. You are only speaking English.

malvisguy212:
from the op:
Polytheism is a belief that multiple gods
created the universe. Even though this
could be true, the universe is one. In
fact, the word "uni-means one." There is
only one universe and the entire
universe is subject to the same laws and
is connected to the whole. Therefore, it is more likely that only One Being created the one universe.

Many people came together and constructed the tallest building in the world which is located in Dubai. The people used the same engineering principle, the building is one , yet it was built by so many different people based on a single engineering principle. You have failed. Stop speaking English and provide incontrovertible evidence.

malvisguy212:
read the op. Your question was adress by the op.

Just provide incontrovertible evidence that only one God created the universe as opposed to many God. Stop speaking long English.

UyiIredia:
Many Gods violate Occam's razor, besides it could create the possibility of conflict of interest which would make God contradict Himself.

Oscam razor is just a postulation and doesn't apply in many cases. The greatest structures and systems we have around us were created by different men without conflict of interest. Besides their could be hierarchy among the Gods. You still haven't made a very clear case for the universe being the product of a single entity as opposed to many different entities all working together to achieve a common goal as we humans do.

Islam has completely replaced the culture of the northerners. The Hausa/Fulani Muslim has no culture of his own, Islam has replaced everything. Christianity has penetrated the south but it hasn't completely destroyed the culture of the people, in fact many have fused their culture into the christian religion, stuffs like spirit husband, marine/ husband and wife, Ogbanje and the rest have all been fused into Christianity. White garment church is a good example.

We are already a very superstitious people that don't depend so much on reason or the scientific process, the foreign religions didn't make us any worse, they just came and diverted us from over dependence on our own mythology and superstitions to that of the foreigners.

plaetton:
lol.
If you think that is funny, consider that even if the man had died, they would still have held church service, wake keeping, countless prayers and thanksgiving after the burial.

So, it's always a win-win situation for god and those that hawk him.

God always wins. He never loses. When its good you thank God, when its bad you blame the devil, you blame others around you or even blame your self. God is never blamed for anything despite all his endless failures. That's what you get when you fear imaginary entities.

Being a good human being has nothing to do with religion or lack of religion. There are good and bad people from all religions and people who lack religion.

is there any middle class man that doesn't cheat on his wife in this world? I think women should always accept the reality that men will always cheat at one time or the other during the course of the marriage.

KingEbukasBlog:
please if you start any form of mockery that ends the argument

2 Peter 3:4



He is giving you chance , another proof of His mercy .

Didn't Jesus tell his disciples that he will return during their life time?

22"You will be hated by all because of My name, but it is the one who has endured to the end who will be saved. 23"When you are persecuted in one town, flee to the next. I tell you the truth, the Son of Man will return before you have reached all the towns of Israel. Matthew 10:22-23

There are other instances.

malvisguy212:
https://www.nairaland.com/1999485/all-religions-lead-god-one

UyiIredia:
God, as generally understood, the Creator of the universe. I don't talk to atheists on the God of a specific religion until they accept that God, as generally known exists.

Many people believe in many Gods. Please just show clearly that the universe was created by a single entity as opposed to many entities .

UyiIredia:
It's not contradictory. In science there are things that can't be directly observed and yet we know they exist, likewise we might not be able to see God but we can be sure He exists. There is evidence in the universe that shows that God exists.

Which specific God out of the many, and how can we know it?

Leonidas1:
The bible prophesied of earthquakes hundreds of years before the earth experienced the first earthquake.

Where can this hogwash be found in the bible? frank317 is trying to educate you and make you reason out of your christian bubble, but it seems you are too far gone.

You want to become an atheist because you are finding life difficult? Is that a valid reason? To each his own anyway.

WOW!!!! What an architectural masterpiece.

What exactly is so special about the message of Jesus? Why should any body burn in eternity for not accepting how Jesus said people should live? Jesus said both good and bad things, so why should people burn for not accepting his messages. Many Christians the world over are coming to terms with this sadistic nature of hell that is why many are already running away from it or trying to give it a new meaning of their own.

Is it true that the immigration recruitment has been cancelled?

tartar9:
The assertions are really baseless. The number of
Saudis looking for a 'better life' in the West is
practically negligible. Conversely, there are far
more non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Dubai
and Kuwait... all of which are based on the
Sharia; than there are Muslim Saudis, Qataris,
Emiratis snd Kuwaitis in Christian countries.
There are also legions of non-Muslim emigrants
from non-Sharia countries, to the West... like
Nigeria. Referring to the emigration of some
people from Muslim countries does not
automatically imply an indictment on the Shari'a.
In actual fact, practically all Muslim countries
from which emigration is high, do not practice
any form of the Shari'a, and are mostly secular;
eg Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Indonesia,
Malaysia... etc.
As for Afghanistan, their interpretation of the
Shari'a was influenced by the situation that they
found themselves. As the saying goes, to a man
with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. To a
man whose only personal possession ever, is an
AK47, everything is a target. Their ideology is a
totally harsh form, based on what they feel best
defends their religion and their culture. They were
never given the opportunity to develop their
system of government and make advances in
Islamic knowledge, so as to attain the necessary
level of understanding to build a proper equitable
Shari'a system. So it is unfair to judge the Islamic
system of Government based on signals from a
country that has been war torn for 3 generations

Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Dubai and Kuwait are all what they are today because of the non muslim westerners, they are the ones that developed those countries are are still developing them, most of the the buildings, roads, train network, factories and industries were designed and built by them, so as expected they are supposed to be there.The first person to discover oil in Saudi Arabia was a white American who went looking for ways to help them discover alternative sources of water. How wonderful is life in these sharia nations compared to others? Is there more justice and equality in these Islamic countries that practice and are governed by the dictates of Sharia?

Abuamam:
The assertions are really baseless. The number of Saudis looking for a 'better life' in the West is practically negligible. Conversely, there are far more non-Muslims in Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Dubai and Kuwait... all of which are based on the Sharia; than there are Muslim Saudis, Qataris, Emiratis snd Kuwaitis in Christian countries. There are also legions of non-Muslim emigrants from non-Sharia countries, to the West... like Nigeria. Referring to the emigration of some people from Muslim countries does not automatically imply an indictment on the Shari'a. In actual fact, practically all Muslim countries from which emigration is high, do not practice any form of the Shari'a, and are mostly secular; eg Egypt, Pakistan, Lebanon, Indonesia, Malaysia... etc.

As for Afghanistan, their interpretation of the Shari'a was influenced by the situation that they found themselves. As the saying goes, to a man with a hammer, everything looks like a nail. To a man whose only personal possession ever, is an AK47, everything is a target. Their ideology is a totally harsh form, based on what they feel best defends their religion and their culture. They were never given the opportunity to develop their system of government and make advances in Islamic knowledge, so as to attain the necessary level of understanding to build a proper equitable Shari'a system. So it is unfair to judge the Islamic system of Government based on signals from a country that has been war torn for 3 generations.

I asked many questions but you preferred to dwell on just one or two of them. If sharia is the best system for humanity as musims claim, then what evidence is there to show that those that practice it live in a better and just society than those that don't?
How wonderful is life in Iran, Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia and other Islamic nations for that matter? Is their happiness meter higher than other places? Are these countries the best places to live on earth? Is there more justice and equality in these Islamic countries that practice and are governed by the dictates of Sharia?

I'll like to hear the muslims take on this. Abuamam.

hahn:
Really though, christians are the most delusional of all religions

Are you sure? Muslims and Hindus are equally deluded.

I thought they said that Mohammad was an illiterate? How is he writing letters to others?

EzioAuditore:
You're talking about war and israel now? So when the jews kill the women and children of the palestinians, no one calls them violent or terrorists, but when the muslims retaliate, they're the terrorists? Okay! On their own land? After they let the jews in and gave them safe haven? Smh, the fact that you brought this up just proves the sort of messed up person you are. Even some of your fellow christians will be ashamed of you. There's nothing funnier than when a naïve christian actually thinks a jew is his ally. But its a good thing God sends people like hitler from time to time to fry their kosher ass*s! I have never liked iran, but people like you make me wish I they will fry those monkeys out of existence, but even if they don't, someone else will, that is Gods promise. The rest of your post just shows that you think like an ankle biter. Again, just opening your ninny minds.

I am actually telling you that some muslims are actually as violent as they can be but the fact that others are more sophisticated than them is what is holding them back. Many muslims will openly tell you that islam will conquer the world through violence. The only reason they aren't trying to set the ball rolling is because others are better than them and they know that if they try it they'll lose. Don't pretend about that. As for Israel, they can go and rot where ever,if they like the can all burn, I don't care about them. I just used them as an example of a nation that were ganged up on by the Islamic nations but their military might is what saved them and what is saving them against the islamic nations that surround them.

EzioAuditore:
I'm not threatening anyone you twirly d*mb f*ck. I'm just opening your ninny minds to the reality of things, obviously you gits are too clueless to understand that only imb*ciles think forums like this are truely anonymous. Like I said, if muslims were half as violent as you make them out to be then you're all sundays hamburger.

Muslims are as violent as they can be. But others are more shopisticated and have shut them up completely. The muslims in the middle east had to keep quite and lick their wounds over Israel. Left to them Israel needs to be obliterated but the Jews are more sophisticated and are constantly teaching them lessons. You think if a war breaks out between muslims and the rest of the world there will be one muslim left on earth? Stop with threatining people.

Proffdada:
lemme even scare him by monitoring his family then he'll get the message

He only knows himself. He doesn't know others or the people present here. I will repeat it. He should desist from threatening others because he is not the only crazy animal here, many others are far crazier than him. EzioAuditore stop threatening people. You only know yourself, you don't know others. Enough!

Proffdada:
he's not even trying cuz I'll decimate his ego

He thinks he alone has monopoly of violence or he alone knows how to locate others. I laugh.

EzioAuditore:
You are one st*pid dimwit are you not? All i need is your ip and Youre toast. Heck! Does this git even know how many websites out there are dedicated to tracking ip addresses? Yet This worthless infidel is accusing me of lack of intelligence? Lol! And he's confusing the use of a phone and a router on the same post? Also using statements like "your religion does not....so do not talk about exploiting it" lmao! Do you know what exploitation means? C'mon bellend, you're a Christian, you're stupid and probably a Kapkipe cosmonaut. Nature really played a cruel trick on you. The buffoonery of christians never ceases to amaze me. You are an utter joke, your best gift to humanity would be to jump off a cliff. Friggin poo pusher!

Don't think you are the only one that can threaten people? Believe me, many people here are more crazy than you. Stop threatening people.

nutarious:
Yea ur mum adn my mum were not healed, thats dosnt mean GOD dosnt exist.

what inteeligence did i insult? what exactly is that intelligence, here u were proving at a time some acts were illusions and not supernatural but here u felt ur intelligence was insulted because a put a fact to you that i find consultants sitting aroun a large table discursing and glorifying GOD.THIS thingn u beleive is not ATHEISM...............................FACT. U ARE BITTER COS OF UR MUM,another fact, but look at it from a deep angle and say u dont understand how this works and that will be a good debate, but to say this subject of test is nothing to use as a case study then what other evidencies do we need.


if u live for 50years, then its assumne u slept for at least 6-7 HOURS of ones life PER DAY, that alone could mean sleeping more than 18 years of ones life.this days science is investigating astral travel and out of body experience and studis are going on, now we realise, its fact that there is a soul in man and the soul in man is ethrnal, cant die, what dies is the physical body, obe and astral have been put on test and people can now get out of their body, so this physical body is not us but just an enclosement. a soul will someday be detach from its enclosement and thats where we know that what happens to man goes beyond eartly struggles, life always continue.

spirituality is about ethernal life and thats what JESUS teaches, now on healing and deliverance, this are grace bound area, just like a man can be closer to GOD yet be pure and a MAN could extremly rich yet be sick, overiding nature for mansake is grace......many like u and me can get to that stage of healing, APOSTLE JOSHUA SELMA, a northerner who was an atheist convert to xtianity,now he heals peopel on daily basis without the camera effect we saw on tb, THIS WAY WE CAN DO ALL THIGNS THRU CHRIST THAT STRENGHTEN US.



am out of here, but like i like to say living in oblivion about a subject wont make the subject go away, thank God the church is rising to its expectation, we dont need TB FOR HEALING WHILE WE OURSELF CAN GET TO WHERE HE GOT TO, THE MOST HOLY FAITH, here its not about sin but about conditioning ourself to receive from God and serve humanity.



THANK U SIRE.
SHALOM

Am sorry to say but you are very gullible. You brought videos of people with different injuries that went to SCOAN, what you might not know is that these people didn't receive instant healing, they were prayed for, went back home and came back after some time. In between I believe they were on medication, normal injuries heal after sometime, with medication the healing process speeds up. Non of them was heal instantaneously. All of them went back home and came back after sometime. Some of them were said to be suffering from cancer when it;s obvious that their injuries were not cancerous but something resembling cancer. When the building in TB Joshua church collapsed, all the victims were rushed to the hospital, non of them was taken inside the church to be prayed upon, remember that this same man TB Joshua claimed to have raised one man from the dead sometime ago, why didn't he raise any of the victims that died from the dead? Why did he allow the people that were injured to be taken to the hospital? Why didn't he attempt to heal them even though the accident took place within the church premises? Stop believing in all these illusions. There is much more to them than meets the eyes.

nutarious:
if u follow my arquement i said there is alot that happen here on earth that science will never get answer for, those videos were for frank.

It is actually the other way round. religion is what lacks answers to most things, most of what we know, we know it because science provided us with the answer, science is the only universal thing that has moved humans together as a race not religion, if an asteroid that is big enough to end all life is heading towards the earth, science is what we will use to detect it and try to push it off, not prayers or any religious principle, if there is an out break of a very dangerous epidemic science is what we will use to save ourselves and not religion. Most of what you know that is real and objective you knew it through science not through religion. Those videos are nothing but tricks and illusion. The greatest magicians on earth who perform magical feats no babalawo or Sango worshiper in Africa can ever perform (Chris Angel and David Copperfield) have come out openly and said that as far is they know no body has supernatural powers. I will give more credibility to their statements over people that are gullible and don't know the tricks employed behind magic and illusion.