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honourhim:
And where did the muslim tell you that their God is different from the God we are talking about when their Koran acknowledged Jesus as the prophet of God whom God has taken to heaven? Where did the hindu tell you that their God is the creator of all?

The God of the Koran is not the same with the God of the bible unless if you wanna lie to your self. The God of the Koran has no son. The Jesus of the Koran is not the same with the Jesus of the bible. The Jesus of the Koran was not crucified, his birth story is very different from that of the Jesus of the bible, he is not the son of God and on and on. The Jesus of the Koran was a muslim. Are you really asking me this question about the hindus? Brahama created everything according to the Hindus. Obviously you are living in a world of your own. Go and do some studies about other religions, since it's obvious you know nothing about them.

honourhim:
My dear God bless you. I don't know why some christians waste their precious time discussing whether God exist or not instead of preaching the gospel. We all know for sure that there is God. Those who want to doubt can go ahead but it doesn't change anything. Even if all of us decides to disbelieve in God it will still not make God to stop existing. He has been there before creating us.

The same way the muslims, Hindus, Taoist etc know for sure that their own Gods exist.

BossTtdiamonds:
The fact remains that in a class/department of many students, we'd have students who'd disagree over a subject matter until the instructor clears the air by layin' out the issue so all can understand. Still some students won't accept such corrections, and in their exams, they'd go ahead and write things they had been warned 'bout.
That's one of the problems most christains face, there's no doubt some cuz of pride do all these things. But the bible already states "look for me and you'll find me" if one is confused 'bout an issue, the person should pray and read the word of God, then the issue 'lld definitely be clear to such person.
As concernin' those who claim to hear things from the holyspirit, the bible does warn to "check to see if that spirit and the message is truly from God". Some persons in thier eagerness are decieved easily by spirits that are not from God, and of course its very easy to fabricate a story sayin' you got the message from the Holyspirit.

How do you know which spirit is the right spirit and which spirit is the wrong spirit? Every christian claims his or her spirit is from God. You can interpret the bible and another christian here can accuse you of having a bad spirit that is not from God. You too can do same for another sincere christian. There is no standard in reality for measuring anything. The holy spirit is just a construct invented to strengthen belief.

It's a 360 camera ghost mode effect. It's fake.

What an interesting video.

BossTtdiamonds:
Stop beatin' 'bout the bush.. The argument here is what's the yardstick for your generalization..??
Exactly how do you know there's no holyspirit guidin' them..what is the premise of your argument..surely you can't tell me you just feel there's no holyspirit.. Cuz that would flaw the very essence of you livin'..
Dont' atheist argue out assertions e.g some believe in abiogenesis, some don't.. Some believe in the big bang, some dont... They all backup their claims with different theories...
If you look at it from a broader perspective..you guys are just as confused as you claim we are...

Agreed, we can disagree and get confused because we do not lay claim to any divine agent. You guys lay claim to a divine agent but disagree on almost every issue while still laying claim to the divine agent at the same time. Just go through the many threads here. You see people that disagree both laying claims to the Holy spirit. The holy spirit is just a construct believers invented to strengthen their belief.

honourhim:
You have not answered my kweshion.

Who is a christian? Are you one?

BossTtdiamonds:
You atheist never cease to amze me when you spew out thrash, even atheist have diverse beliefs.
Some atheist believe in the theory of Evolution, while some dont. Some atheist believe in the Big bang, some dont. You can't use your own persperctive 'bout things as a benchmark to Judge others, your own view 'bout things is peculiar to just your person. The same anchors the fact that you cant use the belief systems of some christains to Judge others.
Same follows for every other perception of things that are to come: you guys are always so quick to dismiss any account originatin' from a religious perspective, forgettin' that those accounts are evidence on their own. The funny thin' is you athiest discard these theories without an already substantiated proof.

Atheist do not lay claim to anything divine. Christians lay claim to the holy spirit which they say is prt of their God head as their source of guidance when they talk about doctrinal issues. The catholic church lays claims to this holy spirit but they practice a very different form of christianity from the protestants. The protestant churches with all their very different sects also lay claim to this divine holy spirit but they are always disagree with each other and practice different type of christianity from each other. An atheist will clearly tell you his opinion, a christian will tell you that it is the holy spirit guiding him, yet they are always disagreeing over basic issues.Read the topics here, watch them all lay claim to the holy spirit while disagreeing and condemning each other, many tell each other that they are blinded by Satan, others condemned their fellow christians to hell over doctrinal issue, and the thing is they all lay claim to the holy spirit. The reality is that there is no holy spirit guiding them, they are just giving their personal opinions, that is why they are always having endless disagreements.

honourhim:
Who do you think is a christian? You think christianity is something one becomes by just claiming it anyhow?

How do you.know that they are not real christians? Many of them are here and you can see them disagreeing over many doctrinal issues.

muafrika:
Don't you think that with the current arrangement, the strong are absolutely fleecing the weak?

Sure they are, but not in all societies. The societies where there is equal distribution of wealth, rights, privileges, and.opportunities are much better than those without.

sinequanon:
You need one, but I can't help you.

Can you even help your self with any?

mesoade:
so all pastors perform tricks? . . Out of all the points behind atheism,this is the most stupid

The day you show me a pastor that can perform clear cut miracles like healing a person with amputated limbs and restoring the person's limbs back of healing babies with down syndrome then I'll believe you. Until then all pastors that perform miracles are fake. Non of their miracle healing are real. We all saw what happened to TB Joshua one of the most prolific miracle churning pastors in Nigeria. When the church building collapsed, ambulances came and rushed many of the victims to the hospital because they had real injuries that weren't fake, normally people come to him for healing and we are made to believe that he heals them. In reality most of the people that come to him play out a script, when reality struck his powers failed him, he could not lay his hands and try to heal many of the people that got injured and died under the rubble. he was helpless and all he could do was claim that it was MEND that attacked him. Clear cut miracles never happen only fake and scripted ones. I will say that anywhere and anytime.

sinequanon:
James Randi also trained his homosexual lover to whom he is now married, "José Alvarez" who was from Venezuela and labouring under an assumed name, to be a TV psychic in Australia. After they were caught, he claimed that it was all a demonstration to see how gullible the public are.. LOL LOL LOL.

The guy is naive. He thought he had sunk Peter Poppoff He had no idea what he was dealing with. Poppoff is back a multi-millionaire, selling "miracle" bread and "holy" water, and running his "ministry".

And this ridiculous post of yours proves that miracles are real? How?

Frankenstein:
How do you explain the bird that fell from a power line and transformed into a woman in Lagos?.. lemme guess, parlour trick.

It is a lie, it never happened.

mesoade:
so basically miracle is tricks?

The ones we see performed by pastors in churches and on TV are tricks. So many of them have been exposed but people still keep believing in them.

Here is a little clip of how one of the greatest pastors and healers in the USA was exposed as a fraud by James Randi back then.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7BQKu0YP8Y

All pastors that perform miracles operate this way. people just believing without knowing that they are deceived and duped. It's all magic and acting.

honourhim:
Using what you don't know, what you don't believe in, to explain things for you is an excercise in futility. Feel free to believe what you want. It doesn't change anything. Cheers.

N/B
Pls note that spiritual cuts across the good spiritual operations and the evil spiritual operations. The muslim and the Bhudist etc operate in the spiritual too and we don't deny this as you alleged. Even the bible told us about these spiritual forces so we don't doubt other religion when they talk about spirituality. Spiritual operations are not restricted to christianity alone pls.

If spirituality is true as you claim then why do christians always disagree. Very sincere christians disagree over doctrines and many other things. For example, there are christians that believe that the world was created just about seven thousand years ago, while some other christians believe that the earth has been in existence for billions of years. Please can you use your spiritual knowledge to settle this problem that exist even among christians who believe in this spiritual talk of yours once and for all?

muafrika:
Aside from the presence or absence of God, why do we need these morals. Better yet, why do we need laws? Why do I have to pledge allegiance to a small confine called a country? Why all the economic, political and social systems that we serve more than they serve us?

Why don't freedom include the freedom to chat our way through life without any coercion, for whatever purpose?

We do that because we want to avoid living in a chaotic society.Without law and order there will be chaos and every body will eventually lose out even the strong. With rules, regulations and enforcement we avoid such quagmire.

UyiIredia:
Thus is crap dressed up in quasi-philosophical Mumbo-Jumbo.

More of confused new ageism.

muafrika:
@dalaman
I wonder how ever they will cure a lack of empathy and pity.

Some of these are rare virtues, (like peace of mind, for which entire populations are on anti-depressants,) and are hard to find once they are lost. The drugs will just create a new addiction problem.

Have you noted how morals of the society change with change in the phylosophy of the reigning political system and not necessarily with time? Some of the things that surprise us now may not have happened in the preceding age but did in the age before. Its also geographical in variability, which of course translates to race, ethnicity and more specifically, bloodline.

Just pointing out the vulnerability of the world here. Every person on it has his own place. It is not as idealistic as it looks. Those who can see, the elites, manipulate and use the rest to gain advantage. And they use the same old age realities that secretly apportion the earth to us differently.

Scientist are trying different options, parts of the nerve endings that rely messages to the parts of the brain responsible for fear, emotions and feelings generally are absent or not well connected in the brains of psychopaths. If something can be made to connect them some scientist feel that the problem can be solved. I agree with the second part of what you wrote. That to me is more reason as to why morality has nothing to do with God. It is a man made concept that has nothing to do with God, people create moral principles and use God as an enforcing mechanism as mazaje will say.

honourhim:
I'm just watching you as you are trying hard to divert this thread from the main issue but I don't fall for such tricks by you people. If you want to argue the so called contradictions in the bible you can open another thread for it so that those who are interested can sort it out with you. I ve told you that whatever you call contradictions can be balanced with another verse by someone who knows better. Feel free not to believe what I said.

That wasn't my intention, but as the discussion progressed, it lead to the issue of biblical contradiction is is a fact no body denies. Even christian and Jewish scholars acknowledge the fact that the bible is riddles with contradictions. Some give different excuses, some say God allowed such contradictions to trap the wise. They keep throwing different explanations around.

For me, I don't argue bible with you atheists. You see life from the physical angle only while i see life both from the physical and spiritual angle. We are two parallel lines that cannot meet. The bible has physical and spiritual angle therefore you can't subject it only to phyiscal perspective. If you want us to argue bible then you must change your perspective of life from only physical to both physical and spiritual. If you can't come to my own stand point to view it then I can't also come to your own stand point to view it. Bible is a divine book, it doesn't matter whether you believe it.

What is the spiritual and how does it affect our lives as humans? Please give me and example of the spiritual in action and how it can be observed so that we know it is true. The spiritual means nothing and does no real work in reality. When a Buddhist monk comes to you and explains how his spiritual experience through the act of Yoga has positively impacted his life, you will discard it or try to look for natural explanations for it, same with a muslims, if a muslim comes to you using his so called spiritual experience of |slam and telling you how it has positively affected his life, you'll also discard it. Why then should I accept your so called spiritual talk that has never been measured or shown to have any effect on anything. In the world of the spiritual anything goes, an insect can have 4 legs, a square can have 8 sides, there can be day and night without the sun and on and on, the spiritual is meaningless, it is just the lies and just assumptions of people.

That you don't believe in the spiritual perspective doesn't mean that the spiritual is false. I know you people's tricks of making people see the bible only from your own perspective. Such tricks don't work for me. You can try small minds who are not sure of their belief. Atheists views are not the benchmark of how life should be viewed. Believe what you like but your belief is not the limit of what life comprises. Thanks for your time.

We are talking about creation, you were the one that came with a challenge about the biblical mythical creation narrative being true, please can you use your spiritual explanation to explain to me how there can be day and night without the sun, or how a language like Hebrew is the first language humans spoke. Use your spiritual knowledge to explain to me how the different races of human beings came about.

honourhim:
Ahhh.. na wa for this your back and forth movement o bros.

Ok o...as regards the issue of contradictions that you mentioned, it depends on the individual reader of the bible. What you may see as contradiction, another person who understands the bible better than you can pull up another verse that balances such contradictions. Each of us have various degrees of understanding of the bible. The contradictions have more to do with our understanding than the bible itself.

This is completely not true. The bible contains contradictions that both Jewish and christian scholars acknowledge.

http://sunnahonline.com/ilm/dawah/0009.htm This link gives you just a link of 25 clear cut biblical contradictions that no body has been able to explain them away.

This is simply your personal assumptions. You have no evidence to show that the people that wrote the bible lied. No evidence to show that it is not the word of God. Just the usual accusation we ve always heard from unbelievers and it remains as baseless as it has always been.

We can put this to test, I don't want to state things that are obviously false in the bible like talking donkeys, the sun standing still, virgin births people dying and resurrecting, global flood, which are obvious lies but I want to just use you as a believer and test what Jesus says to show you that the bible and Jesus or who every wrote down what Jesus said are liars.

The bible is very very clear on how prayers are supposed to work if you truly believe. It is very clear, according to the bible if you truly believe nothing will be impossible for you after you have prayed. mark the words nothing will be impossible for you after you pray if you truly believe, I did not say it, Jesus himself said it according to the bible tales. Here we go:

"For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you." Matthew 17:20

According to the bible if you have faith tiny and pray nothing will be impossible for you. You will be able to do anything as long as you have faith.

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. Matthew 21:21

The bible again reiterates that if you believe what ever you ask for you will receive.

Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, says. "Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.

Jesus says if you truly believe, what ever you ask for in his name he will do it.

I want you as a true believe to pray to your God knowing that you truly believe and with the verses I have quoted for you in the bible which claerly states how prayers are supposed to work, verses which says that nothing will be impossible for you if you pray with belief and which also states that what ever you ask for in prayers with belief will be done, taking these things in mind, I will like you to pray to your God to pease heal all the bible that have down syndrome in the world to be healed. They are innocent babies and are suffering for no reason of their own. Say that prayer with all the belief you have and I am telling you that nothing will ever happen, why because it is a lie. If the bible is true there will be evidence to show that christians that pray with so much belief suffer less than non christans, but that is not the case. I live around christians, i was a former christian, there is no evidence to show that prayer works for christians who truly believe and makes their lives more easier than that of non christians. That is clear evidence that who ever wrote the bible was clearly lying.Jesus himself lied with those words.

As for the Koran, i ve told you that Koran acknowledged Jesus as the prophet of God whom God has taken to heaven, it also acknowledged some other bible characters as God's people and some bible info. Obviously the Koran came after the bible, I therefore cannot trust a second hand info (which the Koran is) more than the bible. Thats the reply i gave you and i'm still giving you.

Th Koran copied stories from the bible and changed them because the founders of islam wanted to create a new religion out of the religion of the Jews and christians. That is all to it. The new testament came after the old testament and Jews also say that the story of Jesus is false.

Ok.. you now agree that some percentage of them are christians. Yet it is not strange to the bible that many Jews will not accept Jesus as the Messiah.

Less than 5 percent of the people living in Israel today are christains and majority of the christians are Arabs not Jews. All the Jews living there do not believe in Jesus.

This is not enough to conclude that the earth followed the same process in its beginning. The process through which the first man and woman came to the world in the bible is different from the process the rest of us came. You cant use the process the rest of the planets followed to conclude that the earth followed same process.

The earth we know and are living in followed the same process, the earth described in the bible is not the earth we are living in but a mythical earth that was created before the sun and the stars. that is not the earth we are living in. The universe that we are living in has laws, all planets came about the same way and all stars also came about the same way. The first people in the bible are not the first people to appear in this real world of ours, the first people in the bible are Jews, but the first people in the real world of ours were from Africa before they migrated to other parts of the world. Adam was the first man according to Jewish mythology, just as Obatala created the first man as a Yoruba man in Yoruba mythology or, in Chinese mythology Panku a Chinese man was the first man to be created, all these are tribal mythologies that have nothing to do with the real world. By the way you are still yet to explain to me how day and night occur without the existence of the sun. That alone clearly tells you that the bible is only referring to a mythical world not the one we live in, in the real world day and not is impossible without the sun.

muafrika:
So, you believe many people are good. At least plaetton is suspicious of most of them, Christian or not. If thats what you really believe am convinced we have a lost sheep here. You must be more Godly than you are aware of.

If God created both good and evil, shouldn't He project both?

Many people do good and bad things. Some people are born naturally evil, psychopaths have been shown to be born that way, their brains are physically different from that of normal human beings, brain scans have shown that they lack some connecting centers in their brains as such they lack empathy, fear, remorse and pity. They kill, cheat, rape and hurt others without feeling anything. They have no conscience like the normal human being and yet they were born that way. Psychopathy is now seen as a mental illness and scientist are trying to find a cure for it.

Good or bad has nothing to do with God, it is human function. What is considered to be good by someones God is also considered to be bad by another person's God. You can not point to any God projecting any God or bad. Only humans project good or bad based on what their societies consider to be good or bad. God has nothing to do with goodness or badness since God is a human idea and construct.

honourhim:
Bro you are just running from pillar to post.

No m not, the bible contains so many contradictions is the point I was making.

Provide an empirical evidence to show that bible is the same with Koran etc. as you said.

Both were written by humans who lied that some divine being told them to write it. The bible claims it s the word of God same with the Koran. Can your provide empirical evidence to show that the Koran is not the word of God? have you falsified the main claim of the Koran?

Lies. Many Jews are born again and do pray in the name of Jesus. They sing Jesus in their songs recognizing him as the son of God and the albums are out there.

Which Jews are you talking about? not the ones living in Israel go to Israel because over 95 percent of them are non christians, they practice Judaism not christianity.

How did you know it is false? were you there in creation to be sure the sun came first?. Just because a group of scientists told you in Wikipedia it then makes it right and the biblical account wrong? No sir.

Space observatory have sent images of planets forming around their parent stars at different levels. The star always comes first before the planets form later on. Can you explain to me how it is possible for our planet to exist without the sun? What was our earth orbiting around?. How is day and night possible without the sun? Do you know what causes day and night? Just explain to me in clear terms.

muafrika:
So innately, are you bad or good. Empathy is part of it. Cognizance does not always traslate to positive action. Am asking because I haven't seen many people who are so confident in their "goodness," especially without God. So, is your will equally moral? Is this light shining from the deepest part of your heart?

Goodness has nothing to do with God. Many people that do not subscribe to your own version of God or subscribe to a different version of another God have been shown to be good. The God idea itself can be shown to be bad. Majority of the actions taken by God in the bible are bad.

honourhim:
Yet in the same old testament we saw God causing other tribes to war against the Hebrews and defeat them, taking them into captivity for many years. The same old testament contains instructions, promises and guides which are not restricted to the Hebrews alone but for us all.

The bible is a combination of various things. No where in the OT does the God of the bible claim to be God of all. Even when he allows the enemies of his chosen people to defeat them according to the tales, he still makes sure they know thet their enemies are not his people.

Says who? The bible is not in the same category with any of these books.

How is the bible better than the Koran or the Hindu scriptures. Provide empirical evidence for this assertion of yours.

Like i said, the Koran recognized Jesus as the prophet of God and that God took him to heaven, there are some other biblical characters and stories that the koran admitted as true from the little i ve seen now and obviously the Koran was written after the bible. I cannot trust its second hand account more than the biblical account.

The Koran even agrees partly with the bible creation account.

The Koran just like the new testament is predicated on the Hebrew bible. Jews do not recognize Jesus or any thing written in the NT. The NT and Koran are the same. The Koran is just another mythical religious book.

The little i read now about the hindus creation account shows nothing definite in their creation account like that of the bible. They just sampled what they think are possibilities concerning creation. I cant also trust their guess work. Moreover the issue here is not about what other religion think about creation. We are talking about languages here. Do the muslim and the koran have account of how languages came to be? Pls present it

Show me one definite thing in the biblical creation account. The bible says the earth was created before the sun. We know that to be false.

honourhim:
Oh...its now only the old testament? No more the whole bible?
By the way who called it Hebrew bible? Is there any place from Genesis to Revelation that we are told that the bible was addressed to the Jews only?

The part of the bible that talks about the origin of the earth, humans and how humans started speaking different languages is found in the OT. The OT in so many places has God telling the Hebrew not to associate themselves with people of other tribes , marrying from another tribe in some places was a capital offence. The God of the OT was a very tribal deity.

Ok, so is it your wikipedia and the likes that matter? Nah...

The bible, the verders, Koran and Egyptian book of the dead are all religious mythological books that belong in the same category.

I ve not read the book of the Hindus, the little i ve read about the Koran is where they mentioned Jesus so i cant start declaring true or false on the content of the books. Kindly give me the account that these two books gave as origin of languages in the world.

I am not talking about languages but their claims about creation, morality, how to live and what will happen to people after they die. I know you reject their postulations. Just want to know if you can falsified their claims as well.

honourhim:
Really? Bible is a Jewish book of history yet it influenced the British and the Americans who brought Christianity to us. It influenced Rome, Europe and some other countries so numerous to mention. including some of the now islamic nations to the point of winning billions of souls over the years and building thousands of churches across the nations of the world. "Jewish history and mythology" book indeed.
Even the quran recognized Jesus as a prophet of God.

So these countries were so so mumu to the extent that the Jews were so smart to have influenced them with their history and mythology? Bro pls tell that to the small boys and girls who will believe you.

Again some of you atheists claim that the Jews dont know Jesus yet you are here calling the bible Jewish book of history and mythology. The Jews dont know Jesus yet monuments are built on historic sites of the bible in their country and millions of christians go on pilgrimage there on yearly basis.

The old testament is called the Hebrew bible. It is the Jewish book of mythology just like the Hindu verders are the Hindu books of mythology. It doesn't matter if billion of people believe those books. There are about 1.2 billion Hindus in the world that accept the Verdes as the words of their various Hindus Gods. The bible is no different from that.

Bible is not an evidence to you because you are an atheist or whatever. But to the billions of Christians out there, bible is proven and is trusted.

Same with the Hindu verders and Koran of the muslims. It has been proven by the billions of muslims and Hindus to be true. Do you accept that the verders and Koran are true? If no, have you falsified them?

honourhim:
This is your personal views and submission.

Do you have any historical evidence from any where that points to the Hebrew language as the first language humans spoke?

honourhim:
The bible did not mention the name of the languge. And of course I do not expect the language that everyone spoke at that time to have a name. Hower, names like Adam, Eve, Abel, Cain, Enoch, Methusela, Noah, Seth, Ham, Japhet etc that existed before the language separation in the bible might give you a clue to trace what you are asking of.

The bible is a Jewish book of history and mythology, as such you will expect the first language to be Hebrew. In ancient Yoruba mythology the first man was also a Yoruba man, ditto for Chinese, Mayan and all other tribes who used their God and religion as a form of identity. Historically there are languages that predate the Hebrew language. The Canaanite language Predates the Hebrew language. I don't want to dwell on ancient Hebrew mythology. I just wants facts and you have non to present.

muafrika:
Unfortunately even the evil have his love. That is how they can spite God and lightening won't strike them.

The jelousy is warranted by the relationship between God and His people. Its like the relation between a man and His wife. When the...

Why are you the one that is telling me all these?If there really is an all powerful God that really wants to be in a relationship with me and save my life according to the christian theology we won't be here having this discussion. We are only having this discussion, and you are giving me your personal opinion and idea of what God is or is supposed to be because that God isn't there. In the words of mazaje, God is just an idea, a perception and a conception. There is nothing more to that.

honourhim:
The info you gave cannot be trusted as concrete enough concerning the origin of languages. Pls relate this your analysis to how one language that was operational in the early world mixed itself up to generate other languages that we see today. May be you can start by giving us the origin of the Anglo-frisian dialects and so on.

I stated in the beginning that there is more evidence to show that languages evolved over time and made reference to the English language as a language that evolved from the Anglo Saxon language. I never said anything about the origin of the first language. You keep running away from my question which is quite telling. What was the original language that humans were speaking before God confused their tongue according to the biblical tale?

muafrika:
To understand God, one needs to get rid of all limitations that bind men. He is beyond form, time and space. Thats how God can be love, and when we describe Him as that, it is not a metaphor. Pure, unselfish love is God in one of His many forms/manifestations. Love is God.

Did you just preach right there?

Stating that God is beyond form, time and space does not help us in understanding God in any way. It is just a heavy loaded statement that does no real work in reality. I i start asking you to be specific in your explanation I very much believe that you won't be able to do that, because I just don't understand how God being formless, timeless and space-less equates to God being love. How is God love?

The bible says that love is not jealous, but the same bible has God saying he is a jealous God. How do you square that out? Explain how God is love with specific and verifiable examples of his love in the life of those that believe in him which can be shown to be absent in the lives of those that do not believe in him.