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davidylan: Darwin does not need to have been an atheist to remain the lightening rod for atheists. Secondly, Darwin indeed became an atheist close to the end of his life, he only stopped short of declaring it publicly for fear of the pain it would cause his family.

Many of you dunderheads need to read before bleating.

Ligtheing rod for atheist or theist? There are more theists that believe in evolution than atheist in the west where evolution is thought freely and atheism is accepted openly, fact. Who is the dunderhead that needs to read before bleating? Id[i]i[/i]ot.

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ijawkid: Exactly....

They'v replaced God with darwin and other scientists who are atheists....

Human worship is what they'v embraced....

Because all there life atheists try to find out info's from atheist scietists that refutes d existence of a God.....
Even when the info's gotten are spurious they just gulp them and evangelize them.....

Darwin was not an atheist, and there are more theist that believe in evolution than atheist. Just a point of correction.

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vedaxcool: About the Qur'an, how? If I a may ask?

The story of Jesus's birth in the koran is complete nonsense.

Enigma: It was a statement on a specific thread, directed to discussants on the specific thread, with the knowledge that those discussants have the background of previous discussions on the debates on the legal recognition of evangelical atheism as a religion. If any third party or busybody honestly wants clarification that is another matter. In any event, I have already provided the clarification extensively.




Yep, and those to whom it was addressed on this thread understood the statement in accordance with how it was made and the preceding very very very recent background.




Like your foolery that pluto has been confirmed in Nigeria to be or not to be a planet, cool.




Ah, look who wants to talk of idiocy; someone who makes the idiotic statement that mere regurgitation is proof? Don't make me laugh!




Wicca, Scientology, Santeria etc etc etc ad infinitum have been confirmed in Nigeria as religions on whose authority? Where is the legal backing for such? (And see further below)




You can shout it till kingdom come; the statement remains accurate.




So what is the definition of "religion"? Where does it say that that definition (a) necessarily includes Wicca etc or (b) necessarily excludes evangelical atheism?




Which part of the Nigerian Constitution recognises Wicca, Scientology, Santeria etc etc etc ad infinitum as a religion?

Since you were referring to a particular thread and to a particular people I will let it be here. I went through one of such threads and failed to see how, where and when it has been established that atheism is certainly a religion with legal backing as you alleged, you were the only one making the claim and all the others did not agree with your interpretation and opnions. In one of such thread the plaintiff even failed to establish that atheism indeed was a religion as the Judgement says. You should have said that in your opinion atheism is certainly a religion with legal backing. There was no consensus reached on any of the threads you linked that says atheism is certainly a religion with intellectual and legal backings. You can keep repeating yourself from now till forever but everything expressed on the links you posted remains your own personal opinion and interpretation and as such your opinion remains yours and is of no value to me.

Enigma: Nope, your foolery, your problem.

Your foolery your problem.

If you think my statement is ridiculous, that is your choice. I stand by my statement as made and in the context in which it was made.

It was a general statement, there was no context to it.

Oh, the legal backing was provided on the threads provided to you and I am not about to start rehashing that.

But we are not on those threads, and your statement wasn't made on those threads, it was made as a general statement here on this thread. Your foolery your problem. By the way, your statement is as idiotic as giving a general statement that g[i]a[/i]y marriage is certainly a recognized marriage with legal backing.

Whatever you like, you can do with the various opinions; that is your own lookout. I don't know who claims any "consensus"; my claim remains that "evangelical atheism is now certainly a religion as has been confirmed in various ways --- including intellectually and legally. If you dispute that, you are welcome to your disputation.

Atheism has been confirmed in Nigeria as a religion on whose authority? Where is the legal backing for such?

My statement remains accurate --- as made. I am also waiting for you to provide Nigerian legal confirmation that Wicca etc etc etc etc is a religion.

Your general statement remains very inaccurate.

Nigeria recognizes wicca etc, etc as a religion as long as it satisfies the general definition of religion.

From the Nigerian constitution it says that

38. (1) Every person shall be entitled to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.

Which part of the Nigerian constitution recognizes atheism(disbelief in God(s)) as a religion?

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Enigma: Your foolery, your problem.

Nope, your foolery, your problem.

If a Mongolian living in Mongolia wants to determine whether atheism has been recognised as a religion in Mongolia, that is the person's problem.

Doesn't this show how ridiculous your general statement is? Your words "(evangelical) atheism is now certainly a religion (a daft religion but no less a religion) as has been confirmed in various ways --- including intellectually and legally."

If evangelical atheism is certainly a religion with legal backings then there shouldn't be a problem about it being recognized in Mongolia or any where for that matter.

Anyone who knows anything about this (Religion) forum knows there have been extensive debates on the status of atheism as a religion and the context in which the legal recognition of atheism as a religion has been debated here.

For those who are unaware or ignorant wilfully here are examples: https://www.nairaland.com/966459/arming-faithful-against-logic

https://www.nairaland.com/546562/atheism-religion/9#9232422

https://www.nairaland.com/765094/heard-there-different-kinds-atheism/2#msg9227593

Where is the consensus that atheism is a religion here? What am I to do with mere opinions and counter opinions? I just thought you could provide legal backings to your own general claims. If atheism is certianly a religion with legal backings, where is the Nigerian legal confirmation that makes atheism a religion? I am a Nigerian living in Nigeria and we are on a Nigerian forum discussing about atheism, so where is the Nigerian legal backing that says that atheism is a religion?

toba.:
u had no God in mind, yet u asked a question about God?

Just tell me what a God is.

toba.:
you have to be specific man. u asked the atheists why they dont believe in God. tell me the God u had in mind and i will tell u what a God is

I had no God in mind. Just tell me what a God is already.

Enigma: As I said before mere regurgitation is not proof.




This is the statement that is troubling you! First of all disprove that statement as made instead of this chicanery:


And which Nigerian law prohibits, refuses to accept or confirm evangelical atheism as a religion?



Is Wicca recognised as a religion in Nigeria? Yes or No?

Is Scientology recognised as a religion in Nigeria? Yesy or No?

Is Santeria recognised as a religion in Nigeria? Yes or No?

Is etc etc etc ad infinitum recognised as a religion in Nigeria? Yes or No?

This is the main bone of contention so it will leave all the foolery and derailment and concentrate on it.

"(evangelical) atheism is now certainly a religion (a daft religion but no less a religion) as has been confirmed in various ways --- including intellectually and legally."

This is a general statement. I am a Nigerian living in Nigeria and as such I will like you to tell me how atheism has certainly been recognized as a religion in Nigeria and which legal law in Nigeria confirms it as you have stated. Remember your general statements says that atheism as been confirmed as a religion with legal backing. For some one like me living in Nigeria which authority confirms atheism as a religion and where is the legal documents that confirms it to be a religion?

toba.:
pls just tell me the God u want to know about

Any one. Just tell me what a God is that's all I want to know.

toba: No its not so hard for me to do. Maybe i just dont know much about the God u are enquiring about

Please just tell me what a God is. That's all I want to know

Enigma: This is that old cop-out repeated and is a waste of time. Show us where it has been confirmed in Nigeria whether or not Pluto is a planet. Very simple.

In the science text books used in Nigerian schools. Go and get one.

My statement that (evangelical) atheism has been confirmed to be a religion legally stands accurate --- especially in the way I made the statement.

Which law establishes evangelical atheism as a religion in Nigeria?

Second, your logic is very simply that scientology, wicca, santeria etc are not religions in Nigeria because they have not been confirmed legally. That is your own lookout --- not mine.

Which Nigerian law prohibits, refuses to accept or confirm Wicca or Scientology as a religion?

if this discussion had taken the intellectually honest path that I had initially hoped for with my very first response to you, I might have clarified a few things about the position in Nigerian law ---- but since that turned out to be too much to ask, I am happy to simply pursue your logic to its natural conclusions.

Is atheism recognized as a religion in Nigeria? Yes or No?

toba.:
No i cant.
For u to have spoken about God in ur previous posts on NL shows u know what a God is. u are trying to play games here.

No, I don't know what God is. Just tell me what God is. Why is it so hard for you?

Enigma: ^^ Look, to make your case you will have to show where in Nigeria Pluto was proved to be or not to be a planet. You will also have to show where it has been confirmed legally in Nigeria that scientology etc is a religion.

In the science text books that talks about it. Students in Nigeria get to know about Pluto from the various science text books available to them in Nigeria and the science text books which are an authority have stated that and as such have proven that it is not a planet. We are not talking about Scientology here.

And in any event here again is my statement that is causing all this apoplexy even with relevant bits emphasised:

You claim that atheism is a religion that has legal backing and I asked you if it is a religion in Nigeria with a legal backing.My question is simple. Is atheism recognized as a religion in Nigeria? The fact that you do not want to answer the question says it all. Your shenanigans laid bare.

toba.:
interesting. Im just wondering what u mean by God in this post of yours a while back
which God were u talking about here?

Forget about what my previous post states. Just tell me what a God is.

Enigma: No I will not allow this cop out; on your original logic there is no proof in Nigeria that Pluto is not a planet. (And this time note the "not" ).

Original logic as accepted by whom? You or me? I never talked about Pluto, you did and I never ascribed anything to it. Where is the logic that states that there is no proof of Pluto not being a planet in Nigeria? Which authority claims that there is no proof of pluto not being a planet in Nigeria?

On your new logic, if you know how legal principles are proposed and settled then you will be cautious in the statements you make.

New logic as agreed by who? Where is the legal principle that makes atheism a religion in Nigeria?

By the way, has it been confirmed legally in Nigeria that scientology, santeria, wicca, candomble etc etc is a religion?

We are not talking about scientology , wicca or candomble. We are talking about atheism. Is it recognized as a religion in Nigeria, yes or no?

toba.:
ok.

do u really want to know 'what a God is'?

Yes, Who or what is is God? And how many versions are there?